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Re: [NA-Discuss] [ALAC-Internal] New York Times article about the new gTLDs
by Evan Leibovitch Aug. 20, 2013

Aug. 20, 2013

“The public at large, consumers and businesses, would be better served by no expansion or less expansion” of domains," according to a former FTC chair. Well said. I also like Ether Dyson's take, which compares the gTLD landscape to that of Wall Street derivatives. All in all, a good collection of views from outside the bubble. On 18 August 2013 11:46, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/technology/when-you-cant-tell-web-suffixe… > > -ed > > -- > *NOTICE:* This email may contain information which is confidential and/or > subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named > addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, > disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by > mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately. > _______________________________________________ > ALAC-Internal mailing list > ALAC-Internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-internal > > ALAC Wiki: > https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… > > At-Large Website: http://atlarge.icann.org > -- Evan Leibovitch Toronto Canada Em: evan at telly dot org Sk: evanleibovitch Tw: el56

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New York Times article about the new gTLDs
by Eduardo Diaz Aug. 18, 2013

Aug. 18, 2013

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/technology/when-you-cant-tell-web-suffixe… -ed -- *NOTICE:* This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately.

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Fadi Chehade Radio Interview on gTLD program
by Silvia Vivanco Aug. 16, 2013

Aug. 16, 2013

Dear all, Here is a link to a radio interview<http://www.marketplace.org/topics/tech/behind-names-and-numbers-internet?ut…> that Fadi Chehade did with the "Marketplace" program. The piece aired yesterday and concentrates on the new gTLD program. Marketplace is heard by an audience of more than 9.1 million unique listeners per week, on more than 500 public radio stations nationwide. Marketplace is also distributed to various international broadcasters. Kind regards, Silvia Silvia Vivanco Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: + 1 (202) 570-7119 Fax: +1 (202) 789-0104 Cell/Mobile: +1 (202) 735-7011

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CIRCLE ID article by John Levine
by Glenn McKnight Aug. 16, 2013

Aug. 16, 2013

http://www.circleid.com/posts/20130812_whats_up_with_weirds/ Glenn McKnight mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com skype gmcknight twitter gmcknight .

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Native Canadian High Speed Access
by Glenn McKnight Aug. 13, 2013

Aug. 13, 2013

According to article http://www.ipolitics.ca/2013/08/12/treat-bandwidth-as-a-public-good/ Snip The upcoming spectrum sale also should include commitments to First Nations, which often lack adequate Internet service. In 2009, 41 per cent of 978 permanently occupied First Nations and Inuit communities were without broadband infrastructure capable of supporting inbound rates of 256 Kbps or higher. Yet high-speed Internet connectivity is important for clinical tele-health, distance education and numerous other public and community services. Glenn McKnight mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com skype gmcknight twitter gmcknight .

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ARIN on the Road in Calgary
by Glenn McKnight Aug. 13, 2013

Aug. 13, 2013

Hi All ARIN on the RoadShow will be in Calgary, Alberta on Sept 22. https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/on-the-road/index.html In June they did an event in Quebec City. Glenn McKnight mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com skype gmcknight twitter gmcknight .

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NARALO Operating Procedures Changes - TOMORROW'S CALL 3PM ET - 1900UTC
by Garth Bruen Aug. 12, 2013

Aug. 12, 2013

Hello all, The main focus of tomorrow's NARALO call will be to discuss and hopefully get consensus on changes to our Operating Procedures. Please go directly to Agenda item 5.2 and all sub-items in the call agenda: https://community.icann.org/display/NARALO/NARALO+2013.08.12+Teleconference Each sub item corresponds to changes to or additions of the Procedure numbers 7, 9, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, and 21. The items in the agenda are brief o the changes and not the literal changes, please refer to the draft documents issued by Alan for specifics. Please familiarize yourself with these changes. Any other business will be discussed when and if the policy change discussion is complete. One critical change concerns #19 which enhances our ability to handle ties in a NARALO election, which we are facing right now. Essentially, we are recommending that ties be broken by a temporary three-person group drawn from our leadership. Once this is agreed by consensus, the Chair will call for a run-off vote for secretariat to resolve the current tie. On the occurrence of a second tie we will employ the new procedure. It is CRITICAL that we have as many NARALO members on the call to ratify these changes. If you have questions or concerns about the proposed changes, please post them to the list now to avoid redundant discussion and explanation during the call. Thanks, Garth -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Friday, August 9, 2013 6:14 PM To: NA-Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] Operating Procedures for discussion at NARALO meeting on Monday Attached are a red-line and a clean version to be discussed at the NARALO meeting on Monday. There are only a small number of changes from the previous version (this time in purple): 13. Make it clear that the sentence on tie-breaking is for the ALAC member (the subject of the entire paragraph). 16. Grammar correction "participates IN online discussions" 17. Remove a redundant "submitting". This and older drafts can be found at https://community.icann.org/display/NARALO/NARALO+ROP+Review++2013. Alan

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Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
by Alan Greenberg Aug. 12, 2013

Aug. 12, 2013

They are in general not consistent with each other (although there are certainly common themes and in some cases common rules). One of the things we have discusssed is once the new ALAC rules are in place, we should begin a discussion on overall RALO rule revision and part of that discussion is looking at to what extent they should be the same or differ. Alan At 11/08/2013 07:14 PM, Glenn McKnight wrote: >Hi Alan >Are our NARALO Operating Policies consistent with the other RALO's? > >Glenn > >Glenn McKnight ><mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com>mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com >skype gmcknight >twitter gmcknight >. > > >On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Houle Louis ><<mailto:Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org>Louis.Houle(a)isocquebec.org> wrote: >Thanks Alan, > >Some other concern that may remain is: > >Is the second vote public ? Should it be >discussed and decided tomorrow? Are the >procedures clear (helpful) on that point? > > >Louis Houle >Président >La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec) ><mailto:Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org>Louis.Houle(a)isocquebec.org > >Le 2013-08-10 22:49, Alan Greenberg a écrit : > >That possible confusion is hopefully eliminated in the last revision. > >13. now clearly says that the Chair may cast a >second vote for ALAC member selections. > >19. Applies only to selection of the RALO Chair and Secretariat. > >Alan > >At 10/08/2013 07:57 PM, Houle Louis wrote: >Indeed! > >Louis Houle >Président >La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec) ><mailto:Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org>Louis.Houle(a)isocquebec.org > >Le 2013-08-09 13:54, Evan Leibovitch a écrit : >No, you're right. There is a confusion between #13 and #19. > >- Evan (via mobile) >On 2013-08-09 11:01 AM, "Thompson, Darlene" ><<mailto:DThompson1@gov.nu.ca>DThompson1(a)gov.nu.ca> wrote: > >Oh - ignore that last one - I hadn't read paragraph 19 yet. My bad! > >D > >Darlene A. Thompson >CAP Administrator >N-CAP/Department of Education >P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 >Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 >Phone: <tel:%28867%29%20975-5631>(867) 975-5631 >Fax: <tel:%28867%29%20975-5610>(867) 975-5610 ><mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca>dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca >________________________________________ >From: ><mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >[ ><mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] >on behalf of Thompson, >Darlene [<mailto:DThompson1@gov.nu.ca>DThompson1(a)gov.nu.ca] >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 10:55 AM >To: Alan Greenberg; NA-Discuss >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures > >Refresh my memory. I had thought that we had come to a consensus that our >three ALAC members would be the tie breakers for Secretariat/Chair. Also, >under the proposed wording, what if the tie is the Chair position? The >existing Chair can't really cast the additional vote then. > >D > >Darlene A. Thompson >CAP Administrator >N-CAP/Department of Education >P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 >Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 >Phone: <tel:%28867%29%20975-5631>(867) 975-5631 >Fax: <tel:%28867%29%20975-5610>(867) 975-5610 ><mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca>dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca >________________________________________ >From: ><mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >[ ><mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] >on behalf of Alan Greenberg [ ><mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca] >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:48 PM >To: NA-Discuss >Subject: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures > >Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE. > >12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for >elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 >allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been >operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior. > >16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their >active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed >to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request >the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would >still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do >not need to be exceedingly detailed. > >Last call for additional issues? > >Alan >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at <http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org >------ >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at <http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org >------ > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at <http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org >------ > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at <http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org >------ > > > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at <http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org >------ >

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Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
by Alan Greenberg Aug. 12, 2013

Aug. 12, 2013

RALOs were each formed according to their own Memorandum of Understanding, which differ to some extent. However, the MoU is not a very detailed document (with a few exceptions), so the RALOs were relatively free to have variances, and in some cases did. This set of changes was not meant to address any of that. Just fix the things that are currently or in the recent past have bitten us. The number of changes illustrates that the rules DO need a cleanup since if that many things are problematic, what else is lurking there that has not bitten us recently. A few of those were identified during this discussion (such as language) and we are deferringthose less-pressing issues at this point. Alan At 12/08/2013 08:16 AM, Glenn McKnight wrote: >Yes, my point is that if we make revise our >procedures and are eventual policies we need >to be consistent with other RALO's which were >formed by the same set of motions by the iCANN >board and our charter and other RALO's are in >the spirit of the original motion. > >As all things the devil is in the details >G > >Glenn McKnight ><mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com>mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com >skype gmcknight >twitter gmcknight >. > > >On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Garth Bruen ><<mailto:gbruen@knujon.com>gbruen(a)knujon.com> wrote: >Thanks Alan, Glenn did you have some specific concern? > >-----Original Message----- >From: ><mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >[mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan >Greenberg >Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 8:30 PM >To: Glenn McKnight; Houle Louis >Cc: NARALO Discussion List >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures > >They are in general not consistent with each other (although there are >certainly common themes and in some cases common rules). One of the things >we have discusssed is once the new ALAC rules are in place, we should begin >a discussion on overall RALO rule revision and part of that discussion is >looking at to what extent they should be the same or differ. > >Alan > >At 11/08/2013 07:14 PM, Glenn McKnight wrote: > >Hi Alan > >Are our NARALO Operating Policies consistent with the other RALO's? > > > >Glenn > > > >Glenn McKnight > ><mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com><mailto:mcknig > ht.glenn(a)gmail.com>mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com > >skype gmcknight > >twitter gmcknight > >. > > > > > >On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Houle Louis > ><<mailto:Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org><mailto:Lou > is.Houle(a)isocquebec.org>Louis.Houle(a)isocquebec.org> wrote: > >Thanks Alan, > > > >Some other concern that may remain is: > > > >Is the second vote public ? Should it be discussed and decided > >tomorrow? Are the procedures clear (helpful) on that point? > > > > > >Louis Houle > >Président > >La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec) > ><mailto:Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org>Louis.Houle(a)isocquebec.org > > > >Le 2013-08-10 22:49, Alan Greenberg a écrit : > > > >That possible confusion is hopefully eliminated in the last revision. > > > >13. now clearly says that the Chair may cast a > >second vote for ALAC member selections. > > > >19. Applies only to selection of the RALO Chair and Secretariat. > > > >Alan > > > >At 10/08/2013 07:57 PM, Houle Louis wrote: > >Indeed! > > > >Louis Houle > >Président > >La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec) > ><mailto:Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org><mailto:Loui > s.Houle(a)isocquebec.org>Louis.Houle(a)isocquebec.org > > > >Le 2013-08-09 13:54, Evan Leibovitch a écrit : > >No, you're right. There is a confusion between #13 and #19. > > > >- Evan (via mobile) > >On 2013-08-09 11:01 AM, "Thompson, Darlene" > ><<mailto:DThompson1@gov.nu.ca><mailto:DThompson > 1(a)gov.nu.ca>DThompson1(a)gov.nu.ca> wrote: > > > >Oh - ignore that last one - I hadn't read paragraph 19 yet. My bad! > > > >D > > > >Darlene A. Thompson > >CAP Administrator > >N-CAP/Department of Education > >P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 > >Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 > >Phone: <tel:%28867%29%20975-5631><tel:%28867%29%20975-5631>(867) 975-5631 > >Fax: <tel:%28867%29%20975-5610><tel:%28867%29%20975-5610>(867) 975-5610 > ><mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca><mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca>dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca > >________________________________________ > >From: > ><mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>na-discuss-bounces@atlar ><http://ge-lists.icann.org>ge-lists.icann.org > >[ > ><mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>na-discuss-bounces@atlar ><http://ge-lists.icann.org>ge-lists.icann.org] > >on behalf of Thompson, > >Darlene > [<mailto:DThompson1@gov.nu.ca><mailto:DThompson1@gov.nu.ca>DThompson1(a)gov.nu.ca] > >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 10:55 AM > >To: Alan Greenberg; NA-Discuss > >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures > > > >Refresh my memory. I had thought that we had come to a consensus that our > >three ALAC members would be the tie breakers for Secretariat/Chair. Also, > >under the proposed wording, what if the tie is the Chair position? The > >existing Chair can't really cast the additional vote then. > > > >D > > > >Darlene A. Thompson > >CAP Administrator > >N-CAP/Department of Education > >P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 > >Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 > >Phone: <tel:%28867%29%20975-5631><tel:%28867%29%20975-5631>(867) 975-5631 > >Fax: <tel:%28867%29%20975-5610><tel:%28867%29%20975-5610>(867) 975-5610 > ><mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca><mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca>dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca > >________________________________________ > >From: > ><mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>na-discuss-bounces@atlar ><http://ge-lists.icann.org>ge-lists.icann.org > >[ > ><mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>na-discuss-bounces@atlar ><http://ge-lists.icann.org>ge-lists.icann.org] > >on behalf of Alan Greenberg [ > ><mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca><mailto:alan.g > reenberg(a)mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca] > >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:48 PM > >To: NA-Discuss > >Subject: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures > > > >Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE. > > > >12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for > >elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 > >allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been > >operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior. > > > >16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their > >active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed > >to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request > >the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would > >still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do > >not need to be exceedingly detailed. > > > >Last call for additional issues? > > > >Alan > >------ > >NA-Discuss mailing list > ><mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.o >rg > ><https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listin > fo/na-discuss>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > > > >Visit the NARALO online at > <<http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org > >------ > >------ > >NA-Discuss mailing list > ><mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.o >rg > ><https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listin > fo/na-discuss>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > > > >Visit the NARALO online at > <<http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org > >------ > > > >------ > >NA-Discuss mailing list > ><mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.o >rg > ><https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listin > fo/na-discuss>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > > > >Visit the NARALO online at > <<http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org > >------ > > > > > >------ > >NA-Discuss mailing list > ><mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.o >rg > ><https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listin > fo/na-discuss>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > > > >Visit the NARALO online at > <<http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org > >------ > > > > > > > > > >------ > >NA-Discuss mailing list > ><mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.o >rg > ><https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listin > fo/na-discuss>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > > > >Visit the NARALO online at > <<http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org > >------ > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at <http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org >------ >

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2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
by Alan Greenberg Aug. 12, 2013

Aug. 12, 2013

Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE. 12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior. 16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed. Last call for additional issues? Alan

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