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Election Update - Chair
by Thompson, Darlene June 26, 2013

June 26, 2013

Hi all, This is a note to let you know that as at June 25, Eric Brunner-Williams joined ISOC SF. Congratulations! As Eric is now a member of an ALS, he is supported by our Rules of Procedures to run for Chair. D ᑕᓕᓐ ᑕᒻᓴᓐ ᓄᓇᓕᖕᓂ ᖃᕆᓴᐅᔭᕐᕕᒋᔭᐅᔪᓐᓇᕐᑐᓄᑦ ᑎᑎᕋᖅᑎ ᑮᓇᐅᔭᓕᕆᓂᕐᒧᑦ ᐊᐅᓚᑦᑎᔨᒃᑯᑦ ᐱᔨᑦᑎᕋᖅᕕᖓᑦ ᐃᓕᓐᓂᐊᕐᓂᓕᕆᔨᒃᑯᑦ ᓄᓇᕗᑦ ᒐᕙᒪᖓᑦ ᑎᑎᖅᑲᓂᐊᕐᕕᖓ 1000, ᐊᓪᓚᕝᕕᖓ 910 ᐃᖃᓗᐃᑦ, ᓄᓇᕗᑦ dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca ᐅᖄᓚᐅᑎ: 867 975-5631 ᓱᑲᑦᑐᒃᑰᕈᑎ: 867 975-5610 Taliin Taamsan Nunalingni Qaritauyani Atuqtauningitnun Titiraqtia Nunavut Kavamangat Titiraqarvia 1000, Nayugaa 910 Iqaluit, Nunavut dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca Hivayautik : 867 975-5631 Kayumiktuk : 867 975-5610 Darlene Thompson Community Access Program Administrator/N-CAP Corporate Services Division Department of Education Government of Nunavut PO Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, Nunavut, X0A 0H0 dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca Ph: 867 975-5631 Fax: 867 975-5610 Darlene Thompson Administratrice du programme d’accès communautaire Division des services ministériels Ministère de l’Éducation Gouvernement du Nunavut Case postale 1000, Succursale 910 Iqaluit Nunavut, X0A 0H0 dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca Tél. : 867 975-5631 Téléc. : 867 975-5610

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Election Update - NomCom
by Thompson, Darlene June 26, 2013

June 26, 2013

Hi all, This is just to let you know that we have forwarded Louis Houle’s name to the ALAC for consideration as our choice as NomCom representative. Thanks, D ᑕᓕᓐ ᑕᒻᓴᓐ ᓄᓇᓕᖕᓂ ᖃᕆᓴᐅᔭᕐᕕᒋᔭᐅᔪᓐᓇᕐᑐᓄᑦ ᑎᑎᕋᖅᑎ ᑮᓇᐅᔭᓕᕆᓂᕐᒧᑦ ᐊᐅᓚᑦᑎᔨᒃᑯᑦ ᐱᔨᑦᑎᕋᖅᕕᖓᑦ ᐃᓕᓐᓂᐊᕐᓂᓕᕆᔨᒃᑯᑦ ᓄᓇᕗᑦ ᒐᕙᒪᖓᑦ ᑎᑎᖅᑲᓂᐊᕐᕕᖓ 1000, ᐊᓪᓚᕝᕕᖓ 910 ᐃᖃᓗᐃᑦ, ᓄᓇᕗᑦ dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca ᐅᖄᓚᐅᑎ: 867 975-5631 ᓱᑲᑦᑐᒃᑰᕈᑎ: 867 975-5610 Taliin Taamsan Nunalingni Qaritauyani Atuqtauningitnun Titiraqtia Nunavut Kavamangat Titiraqarvia 1000, Nayugaa 910 Iqaluit, Nunavut dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca Hivayautik : 867 975-5631 Kayumiktuk : 867 975-5610 Darlene Thompson Community Access Program Administrator/N-CAP Corporate Services Division Department of Education Government of Nunavut PO Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, Nunavut, X0A 0H0 dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca Ph: 867 975-5631 Fax: 867 975-5610 Darlene Thompson Administratrice du programme d’accès communautaire Division des services ministériels Ministère de l’Éducation Gouvernement du Nunavut Case postale 1000, Succursale 910 Iqaluit Nunavut, X0A 0H0 dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca Tél. : 867 975-5631 Téléc. : 867 975-5610

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Re: [NA-Discuss] The self-nomination of Eric Brunner-Williams, for NARALO Chair
by Eric Brunner-Williams June 22, 2013

June 22, 2013

Colleagues, Having described the changes I propose to make in how, and on what subjects, the RALO contributes to the advice available to the Board, and the changes I propose to make in travel support allocation for the purpose of improving on the rather limited record of enabling informed contribution to policy making by individuals, I now want to direct your thoughts to the RALO's call time management. The RALO has monthly calls of 60 to 90 minutes duration. The bulk of the time is given over to casual, or careless, oral summaries which could be less momentary, more memorable, and more actionable, when written, and when written, distributed several days prior to the call for which time is scheduled, and allow for questions on points unclear from the readers and informed discussion, opportunities now lost to "recitations". The net is that RALO calls are wicked boring and unlikely to attract new interest outside of an asylum, and of course, the eminently sane who do in fact listen to each call, live or in mp3 form. This is a situation which can be improved. There is the minor discipline of call time management, which the incumbent manages passably, but the larger issue is what information, from whom, and intended for what audiences, form the non-procedural content of our calls? I propose to change RALO call time, which is likely to deflect any interested person or organization listening for the first time to something, anything else, to something that sells the idea that the RALO is what the 2007 MOU envisioned -- the place where the interests of individuals is expressed and informs network policy in the large. So rather than having the usual recitations from the usual reciters, who may be challenged by the sheer repetition and lack of apparent utility of monthly recitations, I propose that a portion of the call time be given over to expert presentations on network policy issues, which are then "canned" as podcasts and used to effect both "inreach" and inform those not on the calls, and "outreach", to expand awareness of the RALO as an agent of change. What I have in mind for speaker and content are the following: o Michael Geist on marks or surveillance in Canada, o Larry Lessig on the topic of his choice, o Mark Rotenberg on surveillance in the US, ... In brief, more of the process done via mail, all of the status updates in writing and several days before an agenda slot, and content that informs us, and anyone else not yet residing in an asylum for the procedurally deranged. Again, these are proposals for change, contingent upon election. Eric Brunner-Williams Eugene, Oregon

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Suspension of Posting Privileges for Eric Brunner Williams
by Alan Greenberg June 22, 2013

June 22, 2013

Kieren, I do not wish to wade into this morass, but I will correct two errors in fact: - As the person who must track unaffiliated members so that I can carry out my function as their voting representative, I can say that Eric is not an unaffiliated member of NARALO. - The process of rectifying this has nothing to do with ALS certification, but requires that he send a simple three line e-mail which for reasons unknown to me he has not done although informed of the procedures. Alan At 6/21/2013 10:29 PM, Kieren McCarthy wrote: >So, to recap: > >During elections, someone who says they wish to stand for chair is: > >* Told they insulted someone two months earlier >* Suspended from posting to an open list >* Told that their credentials are not correct >* Informed that they are not eligible to stand for chair > >In order to be allowed to continue, this person is told to: > > >* Apologize for a message that so far no one has been able to ascertain who >it is and what he should be apologizing for >* To resubmit his ALS application - which presumably would push him past >the election time > > >When this series of events is questioned by other members of the community, >we learn the following: > >* All the decisions made were made by the Chair and Secretary with some >level of consultation with the ALAC chair >* That it was a "really hard" decision and that those three people are >committed to open discussion, despite the clear evidence otherwise > >When no less than four community members continue to question the process, >the response is that these three people stand by their decision. No other >information is provided. > > >So, some questions: > >* Who exactly did Eric Brunner-Williams insult and by saying what? No one >on this list has seen any evidence of it. > >* When exactly did the NARALO chair and secretary get to decide they could >introduce arbitrary conditions for membership of the organization? > >* Where are these discussions documented and why did the parties in >question not use the Ombudsman process rather than decide between >themselves what the appropriate action was? > >* Why do "elected" NARALO representatives feel that they do not have to >respond to the clear concerns expressed by the community they are there to >represent? > > >This is really poor even for the low standards set by NARALO. > > >Kieren > > > > > > >Kieren McCarthy >CEO | .Nxt, Inc. >+1 415 937 1451 >kieren(a)dot-nxt.com | http://dot-nxt.com > >Find us on: Twitter <http://twitter.com/dotnxtcon> | >LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/2010841>| >Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/dotnxt> > > >On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com>wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > as Chair of the ALAC, I am always concerned about a breaking of the > > inclusive atmosphere in any part of our community. > > > > One such cause is the writing of ad-hominem accusations on the list. > > This ends up being archived, picked up by search engines and ultimately > > makes everybody look bad. > > I too am sad that it had to come to this - but we are all grown up > > people here and we do not need to pick at each other personally. I > > understand sometimes that debates and discussions can get out of hand. > > But offending other people is not the way that we'll manage to better > > channel the points of view of Internet users into the ICANN process - > > and it is not the way we'll encourage more people to get involved and to > > contribute, because a hostile atmosphere will scare them away. > > For this reason, Garth had my full support for his actions that he had > > to take as NARALO Chair. > > > > If Eric feels he has been unfairly treated, the Ombudsman is indeed a > > possible avenue for appeal. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Olivier Crépin-Leblond > > ALAC Chair > > > > On 21/06/2013 17:07, Thompson, Darlene wrote: > > > Our Chair can add conditions to re-instatement before a person is > > allowed back on the list. This particular case was discussed with the ALAC > > Chair as well as the NARALO leadership and this course was accepted. The > > Code of Conduct is a document that was agreed to by the NARALO. This > > action was also not taken upon just one instance of a violation of the Code > > of Conduct. This was the third time showing a pattern of abuse. Garth > > really did not want to take this action because of the perception of a > > "rival to his position" being silenced. However, as Chair, he did have to > > take action because this was about abuse of our members. > > > > -- > > Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD > > http://www.gih.com/ocl.html > > > > > > ------ > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > > > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > > ------ > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------

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Suspension of Posting Privileges for Eric Brunner Williams
by Garth Bruen June 22, 2013

June 22, 2013

Staff, As Chair of NARALO I am requesting that Eric Brunner Williams, for violating the Rules of Conduct be suspended from posting the NARALO mailing list and WIKI immediately. Any additional postings from Eric Brunner Williams following this notice must be deleted by staff. On March 05, 2013 Eric Brunner Williams submitted a disparaging Ad-Hominem attack against a member of another constituency. This resulted in a complaint to the ALAC Chair and removal of the post. The NARALO Chair twice requested that Eric Brunner Williams apologize to the aggrieved party. Mr. Williams has neither acknowledged or complied with this request. I have received additional complaints from the community and must recognize this as a "pattern of abuse." I am requesting that the NARALO Secretary witness this. Eric Brunner Williams may be allowed to re-join the NARALO list under the following conditions: 1. He apologizes for the March 05, 2013 comment to the aggrieved party, CC'ing the Chair and Secretary 2. He re-apply for unaffiliated NARALO membership following the proper procedures 3. The region review this case and reach a consensus Any questions or concerns can be submitted to me. I cannot re-post the offending remark but will explain the situation privately upon request. As stated in our Rules of Conduct, membership may be suspended for: "Unprofessional commentary, regardless of the general subject" " Postings that are libelous, knowingly false, ad-hominem, or misrepresents another person" The ROC further states: "The NARALO Chair is empowered to suspend or restrict a person's posting rights when the content that person has posted is inappropriate and represents a pattern of abuse. The Chair defines and determines what is inappropriate content on a case-by-case basis." And: "If the Chair suspends posting rights or deletes a comment or link, he will say so and explain why" Full document is here: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2264679/NA-2007-1-2+NARALO+ Code+of+Conduct+-+EN.pdf Respectfully, Garth Bruen ------------------------------------- Garth Bruen gbruen(a)knujon.com

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Fwd: net neutrality and peering wars continue
by Eric Brunner-Williams June 19, 2013

June 19, 2013

Colleagues, I concur with Randy Bush, whom I've known since he was an Ops Area Director of the IETF(*), the article is quite good, and usefully puts the issues we tend to see in either/or network neutrality narratives in the economics of peering and settlement between bandwidth providers and over-the-top services providers. Anticipating the standard question: what has this to do with ICANN, while there are address block holders and autonomous systems holders, the allocations of those -- the ipv4 run-out scenario we're now in, is not the locus of change, nor is the ICANN vs ITU dance the locus of change, but rather the economics of peering and transit, showing the limitations of ICANN as a technical coordinator of unique endpoints in the change that affects more internet users than the new gTLD program, or the prices of domains in price capped registries. Eric Brunner-Williams Eugene, Oregon (*) I suppose I should mention at some point that I'm a member of the recently formed Performance Directorate of the IETF. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: net neutrality and peering wars continue Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:14:44 +0900 From: Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com> To: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog(a)nanog.org> good article by Stacey Higginbotham http://gigaom.com/2013/06/19/peering-pressure-the-secret-battle-to-control-…

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test message
by Eric Brunner-Williams June 19, 2013

June 19, 2013

Colleagues, A test message. After all, what would a directive the "must be deleted by staff" mean if not tested. This refers of course to the following: <002001ce6cfd$9c809040$d581b0c0$(a)knujon.com> Eric Brunner-Williams Eugene, Oregon

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On ALS #19
by Eric Brunner-Williams June 19, 2013

June 19, 2013

Colleagues, I suggest that ALS #19 be decertified. Recalling that ALS #19, on 25 May 2004, offered that it consisted of "10 students and faculty of two colleges in Honolulu ..." and an additional estimated 126,000,000 "at-large members" with "directors chosen consistent with the organizational by-laws" ... > Dr. Richard Nicklas President President@xxxxxxxx Is no longer associated with Hawai'i Pacific University and may live in Wichita Falls, Texas. The student reviews at this URL are droll. http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=471145 > Administrative Officer > > Everett P. Priestley Vice President Google is unable to locate. > Joseph Robbie Treasurer Treasurer@xxxxxxxxx Google is unable to locate. > Public Relations Officer > > Randy Glass Secretary Secretary@xxxxxxxxxx The only member of a LinkedIn "group" to whom LinkedIn attributes any activity for the past year, and, according to LinkedIn, is located in Tampa/St. Petersburg, Florida. And Chief Policy Advisor, America@Large, January 2005 -- Present (8 years 6 months). This from Randy Glass' LinkedIn profile, note that the Office of Secretary is not mentioned. > Executive Director > > Chief Policy Advisor > > Dr. Niti Villinger Advisor DrVillinger@xxxxxxxxxxx Is also no longer associated with Hawai'i Pacific University. Again, the student reviews at this URL are droll. http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=407775 No President, no Vice President, No Treasurer, No Secretary, No Executive Director, no bylaws, no students, no connection admitted by the University of Honolulu, just Randy Glass, now half the world away and exercising the august role of Chief Policy Advisor of so unusual a group consisting of ... one guy exercising a LinkedIn micro blog. Randy, is there anyone else in there with you? Who are the current directors of "America@Large", in particular the Secretary, an Officer, which apparently you are no longer, and where are the by-laws that consistent with their selection? Eric Brunner-Williams Eugene, Oregon

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Domain hijacking story
by Eric Brunner-Williams June 19, 2013

June 19, 2013

> Every domain name has a public interest aspect, just like every trademark > does Try that again. Every registered (in some jurisdiction) mark is created through a process create by the public, but not ever string, registered by a private party with a private party, in an arbitrary location in some arbitrary namespace, compels a public interest. This is equivalent to asserting that a roulette wheel selecting 63 or fewer letters at random from the letters-digits-hyphen set, and inserting each sequence in some manner in some form of temporary store (we used to use HOSTFILES, and we may yet retire DNS) is somehow, rises to a public interest. You may want to add some useful qualifiers to "every". It isn't very long ago that registration practices, not mere registrations, were determined to be contrary to Consensus Policy, and costs imposed that resulted in registrars being de-accredited and their interest claim in domains transferred to third parties without compensation. > but admittedly, some > domains have almost no public interest concern while others are > overwhelmingly of a public interest. Progress. At least we agree the public interest is not uniformly distributed across all possible sequences of length greater than three and less than sixty three generated over letters, digits and hyphen (or more for those wanting more math joy). The next step is to address the means of improving, if necessary, the _contractual_ means of curing the alleged defect in transfer rules. There is a real point to this. Whatever NA-DISCUS is, it isn't "lets pretend", it is the only vehicle common to a regional element of a ByLaws entity of a 501(c)(3) which is empowered by those ByLaws to offer limited advice to the Board of the 501(c)(3). Appealing to the law of the horse or the criminal code of X does not illuminate. Please try and make a case that some random punter complaining that he lost his undisclosed secret magic bean -- or whatever his belief in his awesome powers of string speculation are, rises to the level of action by this body, and not for the reason I've offered earlier, that the transfer process may not yet be as intended. Eric Brunner-Williams Eugene, Oregon

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FYI: Sébastien Bachollet is now Membre du Conseil d'Administration at AFNIC
by Eric Brunner-Williams June 18, 2013

June 18, 2013

Colleagues, For those of you who know Sébastien Bachollet, and appreciate the role played by AFNIC in operations and policy in France, this will come as welcome news. The announcement is here: http://www.afnic.fr/fr/l-afnic-en-bref/actualites/actualites-generales/7004… Eric Brunner-Williams Eugene, Oregon

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