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Re: [NA-Discuss] Forward motion on the Egyptian Internet shutdown
by Garth Bruen at KnujOn Jan. 31, 2011

Jan. 31, 2011

I would say ask AFRALO first, see what they're talking about, if they have a plan, can can we support their plan. > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [NA-Discuss] Forward motion on the Egyptian Internet shutdown > From: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net> > Date: Mon, January 31, 2011 8:42 am > To: Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml(a)communisphere.com>, Gareth Shearman > <shearman(a)victoria.tc.ca> > Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > OK, since this discussion took place on the NA list, help me with the next step, if there is one. > > Is the consensus that NA should draft a short statement? I would urge against it. Though I personally believe something should be said, it is for ALAC to make the move, and leadership of AF-RALO should take the lead -- and whether that means creating a statement, or urging ICANN as an organization to do something should also be specified. > > So the choices are: > > a) Make a short NA statement. > b) Make no NA statement but vociferously tell the ALAC to make a statement and/or advise ICANN to do so. > c) What? > > Beau > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml(a)communisphere.com> > >Sent: Jan 31, 2011 12:36 AM > >To: Gareth Shearman <shearman(a)victoria.tc.ca> > >Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: The Internet Society on Egypt’s Internet shutdown > > > >+1 > > > >On 1/31/2011 12:32 AM, Gareth Shearman wrote: > >> + 1 > >> > >> Gareth > >> > >> > >> On 2011-01-30, at 8:45 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Well then we disagree. > >>> > >>> For the more we discuss it, the more convinced I become that ICANN should make a statement declaring, at the very least, this sort of behavior to be incompatible with the well being of the Internet and contrary to international covenants related to freedom of information. > >>> > >>> If ICANN is going to have credibility in its role as a steward of the Internet, it must not let this pass uncommented. If it does, then it will share responsibility for all future such action by virtue of its silence. > >>> > >>> John, I thank you for helping me see the issue more clearly. > >>> > >>> a. > >>> > >>> On 30 Jan 2011, at 23:30, John R. Levine wrote: > >>> > >>>>> But certainly I think ICANN can describe what sorts of behavior is and is not appropriate and certainly I think that allocation policy can look at taking such behaviors into account. > >>>> I am unalterably opposed to any proposal in which ICANN would purport to tell any government what to do. That just makes us look silly. > >>>> > >>>> It's not like the Egyptian government is unaware of what they've done, after all. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> John Levine, johnl(a)iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", > >>>> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly > >>>> > >>> > >>> ------ > >>> NA-Discuss mailing list > >>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >>> > >>> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > >>> ------ > >>> > >> > >> ------ > >> NA-Discuss mailing list > >> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >> > >> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > >> ------ > >> > >> > >> > >------ > >NA-Discuss mailing list > >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > > > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > >------ > > > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > ------

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Geographic Regions Statement
by Evan Leibovitch Jan. 30, 2011

Jan. 30, 2011

Eric, Enough. Any point you've been trying to make in your long description has been obliterated by a level of personal insult this list hasn't seen in a long time - if ever. You owe Darlene an apology. You also have yet to make any connection whatsoever between your stories of disenfranchisement and how ICANN would benefit from having just one region for the americas rather than two. But if you intend to answer me like you did Darlene, don't bother. - Evan (sent from my Android phone) On 2011-01-27 8:46 PM, "Eric Brunner-Williams" <ebw(a)abenaki.wabanaki.net> wrote: Evan, Get yourself straight any way you can, the exclusion of Mexico from North America ensures that Anglophones, and perhaps the token Francophone (singular), will be preferentially selected every time ICANN attempts to meet a regional diversity goal. This leaves 50 million residents of the United States and Canada, only represented through a second European language. I pointed out the fact that the Greenland Home Rule government, while a dependency of the Danish State, is an Indigenous government of the Americas. This drew a confused response from Darlene Thompson who apparently confuses governments, like the one she works for, with immigrant non-European languages. The geographic region issue is about iso3166 states, not languages, and the exclusion of Mexico from "North America" is as irrational as putting Greenland or Quebec in "Europe". I pointed out the fact that migration has changed the largest indigenous language in the US from Dine (Navajo) to Nahuatl, Mixtex and Zapotec, approximating the unified Ojib-Crees in Canada as a group, and separating Indigenous migrants along the hyper-militarized US frontier is as absurd as Canada's refusal to abide by the Jay Treaty (1794), allowing free passage of Indians between the US and Canada. This drew the surprising 21st-century-Indians-speak-English response from John Levine, utterly missing the importance of language and cultural de-assimilation to assimilated Indians, and the reality that Indian migrants from Indian communities in Mexico retain locality in North America, due to the ease of first-language and shared values. I don't know what to do with mention-Indians-get-Hindi. I don't know what to do with mention-migration-get-English-only either. I do know that today Jefferson Keel, Chickasaw Nation, delivered the State of Indian Nations address, and today is a really lame ass day to subordinate Indian interests to non-Indian interests, for something as ephemeral as the ITU boogie man, or Anglo self-preference. I understand most of NARALO is Anglophone, and Anglophones have their issues with non-Anglophones, but where I grew up Spanish was as common as English and was Mexico until the middle of the 19th century. My pointing out that Indians are structurally overlooked by ICANN's North American centric structure hasn't changed that a wit in ten years. Mexican Indians are Indians. It doesn't do Indians in the Americas a wit of good to ignore the largest population of Indians in the Americas north of Panama, or ignore the largest population of Indians speaking Indian languages in the United States. Eric

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Geographic Regions Statement
by Beau Brendler Jan. 28, 2011

Jan. 28, 2011

I sort of hesitated joining this discussion until now, because it's not my area of expertise, but what Avri said strikes a chord in me that says, we should do it: NA RALO also supports investigating ways to increase the participation of Indigenous populations, especially those whose cultural territory cuts across regional boundaries. I mean, there are a lot of sovereign Indian nations within the United States, with varying degrees of self-identification with the U.S. or North America. I think making a statement that we are aware of this, and want to investigate doing something about it, is the right thing to do. Beau -----Original Message----- >From: Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml(a)communisphere.com> >Sent: Jan 28, 2011 5:02 AM >To: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Geographic Regions Statement > >Regarding the Geographic Regions Statement, three points: > >1. Knowing shamefully little about indigenous peoples, I draw your >attention to those possibly trans-national/regional peoples that inhabit >the most northern part of our planet. How can the DNS serve their needs? > >2. In primary school (in the 1950s) I was taught there were 3 continents >in this part of the world, North, South, and Central America. I suspect >this might have been to separate us from the somewhat less northern >Europeans to the south of Texas. > >3. Living in a Spanish speaking section of North America, and able now >to drive an automobile to South America, and with trade in goods and >culture increasingly shared between north and south, I think it would be >good to begin thinking of us a one region. > >Tom Lowenhaupt >Jackson Heights, New York > >On 1/28/2011 12:08 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Not wanting to get into 1,2 or more Americas issue. >> >> But do want to bring up the issue of indigenous populations whatever the region. I have been working with indigenous population in Europe, the Sámi, for years. They are not represented in Euralo any more than the populations that Eric is referring to are represented in Naralo, though there may be individual members of those populations participating >> >> Just as the Island populations are looking for a cross-regional way to get representation, is there any value, or interest, in looking at ways to obtain cross-regional representation for Indigenous populations. If there is interest in this within the RALO, would this be worth adding to the statement? Something like: >> >> Naralo also supports investigating way to increase the participation of Indigenous populations, especially those whose cultural territory cuts across regional boundaries. >> >> >> a. >> >> >> >> ------ >> NA-Discuss mailing list >> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >> >> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >> ------ >> >> >> >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------

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Geographic Regions Statement
by Thompson, Darlene Jan. 28, 2011

Jan. 28, 2011

Hi all, I am just checking, here. The deadline for regional comments is tomorrow night on the Geographic Regions Statement. Here is the link to the comments made by other regions: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Interim+Report+of+Geographic+Re… Do we wish to submit a comment on this? D Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 979-5610 dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca

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DOODLE / NARALO Showcase Preparation call
by ICANN At-Large Staff Jan. 28, 2011

Jan. 28, 2011

Dear All, Please complete the attached Doodle poll to schedule a call in preparation for the NARALO Showcase to be held at the ICANN Silicone Valley meeting in San Francisco. http://doodle.com/g9m2utfrz8q4nq2i This Doodle poll will close on Friday 21 January 2011 at 1700 UTC – the date and time will be announced shortly thereafter. Thank you. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff

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FW: [ALAC] Comments requested on draft ALAC Statement on the Interim Report of the Geographic Review WG
by Thompson, Darlene Jan. 27, 2011

Jan. 27, 2011

Forwarded! Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 979-5610 dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of ICANN At-Large Staff [staff(a)atlarge.icann.org] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:52 AM To: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff Subject: [ALAC] Comments requested on draft ALAC Statement on the Interim Report of the Geographic Review WG Dear All, The draft ALAC statement on the Interim Report of the Geographic Review WG is available for your review at: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+-+January+2011+-+Statement+ on+Interim+Report+of+Geographic+Regions+WG. This page is linked to the At-Large Workspace on the Interim Report of the Geo-Regions Review that includes the RALO contributions and the Interim Report: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Interim+Report+of+Geographic+Reg ions+Review+Working+Group+-+Community+Workspace. The RALO contributions will be added to the end of the ALAC Statement. Please add your comments directly to the wiki page using the edit mode or the comments function or through replying to this e-mail. Comments will be accepted through Friday, 28 January at 23:59 UTC. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, ICANN At-Large Staff _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac

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Summary Minutes NARALO Showcase WG Call 26 Jan 2011
by ICANN At-Large Staff Jan. 26, 2011

Jan. 26, 2011

Dear All, The summary minutes and action items of today¹s call have been posted at: https://community.icann.org/display/NARALO/NARALO+Showcase+WG+26.01.2011+Tel econference -- Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org

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ALAC Budget and Finance Sub Committee
by Gareth Shearman Jan. 26, 2011

Jan. 26, 2011

During the ALAC teleconference held earlier to-day, it was decided to ask each RALO to appoint a liaison person to this committee. This is over and above the designated member of the ALAC from each RALO that is already a member of the committee. I hold that position for NARALO. We therefore need a volunteer from among the members of this list. Thank you, Gareth Shearman

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Joint DNS Security and Stability Analysis Working Group (DSSA Working Group)
by Eric Brunner-Williams Jan. 26, 2011

Jan. 26, 2011

Colleagues, One thing I've not yet seen on an ALAC mailing list (this one or the at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org list) is mention of the Call for volunteers to Joint DNS Security and Stability Analysis Working Group (DSSA). Have I missed looking in the right place? Here is an announcement from the ccNSO-members list, forwarded via the AfTLD-Discuss list, of which I am a subscriber. > As you may recall, the ccNSO council has adopted the charter of the Joint > DNS Security and Stability Analysis Working Group (DSSA Working Group). The > objective of this working group is to: > - examine the level, frequency and severity of threats to the DNS; > - the current efforts and activities to mitigate these threats; and > - identify possible gaps in the current security response to DNS issues. > > The Charter is available at > http://www.ccnso.icann.org/announcements/announcement-15nov10-en.htm > > As this charter was also adopted by the ALAC and GNSO and is in the process > of being adopted by the NRO, we are now calling for volunteers from the > ccTLD community to join the DSSA Working Group. > > If you would like to become a member of the DSSA WG, please note that > following membership criteria apply: > > 1) You should have knowledge or expertise of the objectives of the DSSA > Working Group > > 2) You should be prepared to actively participate in the activities of the > working group on an ongoing and long-term basis. > > 3) You should be prepared, if required, to sign a a Formal Affirmation of > Confidentiality and Non-Disclosure paper (see Annex B of Charter) and/or a > Non-Disclosure Agreement. The WG might want to set up a sub-working group to > access confidential or proprietary information. If you want to participate > in such a sub-working group you will most likely be be required to sign one > or both of the aforementioned agreements in order to ensure access to and > protection of confidential information. > > If you are interested in joining this Working Group, we also need a > Statement of Interest, containing following information: > > - Current vocation, employer and position > - Type of work performed > - Identify any financial ownership or senior management/leadership > interest in that are interested parties in DSSA related topics. > - Identify any type of commercial or non-commercial interest in DSSA related > topics. Are you representing other parties? Describe any > arrangements/agreements between you and any other group, constituency or > person(s) regarding your nomination/selection as a work team member. > - DSSA Working Group members are expected to demonstrate knowledge or > expertise aspects of the objectives of the DSSA Working Group. Please, > identify any knowledge, expertise or experience you have that would be > relevant to the work of the DSSA Working Group. > - Describe any tangible or intangible benefit that you receive from > participation in such processes, for example, if you are an academic or NGO > and use your position to advance your ability to participate, this should be > a part of the statement of interest, just as should employment by an > organisation that has an interest in DNSSA Working Group outcomes. > > The Statement of Interest will be posted on the DSSA Working Group website. > > You do not need to be a ccNSO member to join the group! > > If you are interested in joining the DSSA Working Group, please let me have > your statement by the 17 January 2011, at the latest. > > The ccNSO Council will consider the applications and then formally appoint > the Working Group members. Eric

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Re: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER / NARALO Showcase Preparation call
by Beau Brendler Jan. 25, 2011

Jan. 25, 2011

due to some weather-related scheduling changes, I will probably be about a half-hour late to this call -- please start without me Beau -----Original Message----- >From: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >Sent: Jan 25, 2011 12:50 PM >To: "na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER / NARALO Showcase Preparation call > > >Dear All, > >Further to the Doodle poll, the NARALO Showcase Preparation call is schedule on Wednesday 26 January 2011 at 1800 UTC. > >1000 PST, 1200 CST, 1300 EST > >The agenda and call details can be found at: >https://community.icann.org/display/NARALO/NARALO+Showcase+WG+26.01.2011+Te… > >If you require a dial-out, please contact At-Large staff at: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> > >Thank you. > >Regards, > >Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström >ICANN At-Large Staff > > >From: Microsoft Office User <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 02:52:57 -0800 >To: "na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>" <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >Cc: Microsoft Office User <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> >Subject: DOODLE / NARALO Showcase Preparation call > >Dear All, > >Please complete the attached Doodle poll to schedule a call in preparation for the NARALO Showcase to be held at the ICANN Silicone Valley meeting in San Francisco. > >http://doodle.com/g9m2utfrz8q4nq2i > >This Doodle poll will close on Friday 21 January 2011 at 1700 UTC – the date and time will be announced shortly thereafter. > >Thank you. > >Regards, > >Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström >ICANN At-Large Staff >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------

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