- NA-Discuss - lists.icann.org

OCDE numbers
by Eric Brunner-Williams Feb. 3, 2011

Feb. 3, 2011

The OCDE's preliminary estimate is that the denial of service event (27 January - 2 February) has cost Egypt 90 million dollars (65 million euros). "The blocked services represented between 3% and 4% of the GNP, therefore a loss of 18 million dollars (13 million euros) per day." The OCDE's estimate of the lasting effect of the denial of service event negates a key element of the national economic development strategy, attracting foreign investment. Source: http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2011/02/03/egypte-la-coupure-int…

1 0

San Francisco Showcase Form
by Thompson, Darlene Feb. 3, 2011

Feb. 3, 2011

Hi all, We are getting geared up for the San Francisco meeting and the NARALO showcase there and I am on the organiing committee. In LACRALO they had lovely "factsheets" on display for all of the ALSs in the region. Dev Anand Teelucksingh from LACRALO has been kind enough to share their method with me and has done up the forms and such for NARALO. Its done by a Google tool that helps us to gather the information and then insert it into standardized sheets. Also, Workteam B has been working on ways of better sharing information between the ALSs in each region. The information that we gather for the fact sheets could easily provide a basis for these wiki pages for each ALS. Take this as a "hitting two birds with one stone" type of solution that I've come up with. I can do a cut and past from the one response (from each ALS) to be able to generate both outputs. So, please fill out the following as soon as you possibly can: https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/ttcsweb.org/viewform?hl=en_GB&formkey=dHY… Note that I will be plaguing you incessantly for this information as we really need it and the SF meeting is coming up really quickly! (unless you tell me that you choose not to participate for some reason) Also, I think we should have a factsheet prepared for the Unaffiliated ALS (our affiliation of individuals). I think this is really important in order to showcase this North American "take" on individuals. Who amongst our individuals would like to put forward wording in for this? Its not for me to say, on this matter, as it is up to the indiviuals in our group and I am unsure who would like to step forward to do this. Thanks! D Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 979-5610 dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] Egypt: Denial of service event ends
by Beau Brendler Feb. 2, 2011

Feb. 2, 2011

Did the ALAC statement go out before the Internet was restored? -----Original Message----- >From: Eric Brunner-Williams <ebw(a)abenaki.wabanaki.net> >Sent: Feb 2, 2011 7:33 AM >To: "na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [NA-Discuss] Egypt: Denial of service event ends > >http://www.renesys.com/blog/2011/02/egypt-returns-to-the-internet.shtml >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------

2 1

Egypt: Denial of service event ends
by Eric Brunner-Williams Feb. 2, 2011

Feb. 2, 2011

http://www.renesys.com/blog/2011/02/egypt-returns-to-the-internet.shtml

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] Forward motion on the Egyptian Internet shutdown
by Beau Brendler Feb. 1, 2011

Feb. 1, 2011

OK, let's put something on paper and vote on it. I don't have time today to draft something, but could probably do so tomorrow morning, unless someone else wants to take a stab in the meantime. Since I have not personally heard anything from ALAC members on this issue (except for Evan), I'm guessing we are intending to make a general NA statement that could be adapted by the at-large, and encourage the at-large to do so? BB -----Original Message----- >From: Marc Rotenberg <rotenberg(a)epic.org> >Sent: Jan 31, 2011 12:23 PM >To: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net> >Cc: Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml(a)communisphere.com>, Gareth Shearman <shearman(a)victoria.tc.ca>, NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Forward motion on the Egyptian Internet shutdown > >But it's not paternalistic is we generalize from this >recent event and if we cite the mission of ALAC, >ICANN, and universal values . . . > >Marc. > >On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Beau Brendler wrote: > >> yes, that was my point -- not that cutting off access is a regional problem, but rather wanting NA to avoid looking unduly paternal >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Marc Rotenberg <rotenberg(a)epic.org> >>> Sent: Jan 31, 2011 10:30 AM >>> To: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net> >>> Cc: Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml(a)communisphere.com>, Gareth Shearman <shearman(a)victoria.tc.ca>, NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Forward motion on the Egyptian Internet shutdown >>> >>> I take Beau's point to be that it would be better if the statement >>> emerged from the RALO closest to the immediate problem. >>> But in some respects that could also lead to further politicization. >>> And the relevance for NA-RALO is clear -- one of key cyber security >>> proposals before the US Congress is the creation of an "Internet kill >>> switch." >>> >>> This is why we should try to generalize: cutting off access to the >>> Internet is not simply a regional problem. >>> >>> Marc. >>> >>> >>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Beau Brendler wrote: >>> >>>> OK, since this discussion took place on the NA list, help me with the next step, if there is one. >>>> >>>> Is the consensus that NA should draft a short statement? I would urge against it. Though I personally believe something should be said, it is for ALAC to make the move, and leadership of AF-RALO should take the lead -- and whether that means creating a statement, or urging ICANN as an organization to do something should also be specified. >>>> >>>> So the choices are: >>>> >>>> a) Make a short NA statement. >>>> b) Make no NA statement but vociferously tell the ALAC to make a statement and/or advise ICANN to do so. >>>> c) What? >>>> >>>> Beau >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml(a)communisphere.com> >>>>> Sent: Jan 31, 2011 12:36 AM >>>>> To: Gareth Shearman <shearman(a)victoria.tc.ca> >>>>> Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: The Internet Society on Egypt’s Internet shutdown >>>>> >>>>> +1 >>>>> >>>>> On 1/31/2011 12:32 AM, Gareth Shearman wrote: >>>>>> + 1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Gareth >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2011-01-30, at 8:45 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well then we disagree. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For the more we discuss it, the more convinced I become that ICANN should make a statement declaring, at the very least, this sort of behavior to be incompatible with the well being of the Internet and contrary to international covenants related to freedom of information. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If ICANN is going to have credibility in its role as a steward of the Internet, it must not let this pass uncommented. If it does, then it will share responsibility for all future such action by virtue of its silence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John, I thank you for helping me see the issue more clearly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 Jan 2011, at 23:30, John R. Levine wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But certainly I think ICANN can describe what sorts of behavior is and is not appropriate and certainly I think that allocation policy can look at taking such behaviors into account. >>>>>>>> I am unalterably opposed to any proposal in which ICANN would purport to tell any government what to do. That just makes us look silly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's not like the Egyptian government is unaware of what they've done, after all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> John Levine, johnl(a)iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", >>>>>>>> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>> NA-Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ >>>>>> NA-Discuss mailing list >>>>>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>>>>> ------ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ------ >>>>> NA-Discuss mailing list >>>>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >>>>> >>>>> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>>>> ------ >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> NA-Discuss mailing list >>>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >>>> >>>> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>>> ------ >>> >> >

7 8

Fwd: [ALAC] Proposed statement of the ALAC regarding the current situation in Egypt
by Evan Leibovitch Feb. 1, 2011

Feb. 1, 2011

Hello everyone. The following letter has been sent to the global At-Large email list as well as the ALAC list. I fully support Olivier's mail and this proposed action (I played a role in its development), which has been supported unanimously by representatives from all regions. I will not myself support any other action (including Eric's letter), for reasons stated by Olivier in his email and by myself in the NARALO list yesterday. I note that AFRALO has deliberately taken no action itself regarding making a statement, but its members have also endorsed the ISOC release. - Evan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com> Date: 1 February 2011 09:21 Subject: [ALAC] Proposed statement of the ALAC regarding the current situation in Egypt To: ALAC Working List <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Dear all, Sustained discussions have recently taken place on one of the RALO lists, whether the ALAC should comment on the current political situation in Egypt, focussing in particular on the suspension of Internet service in the country. I have personally monitored the discussion and members of the ALAC ExCom have held daily discussions about the matter. I have also discussed the possibility of a statement with other constituency Chairs and some Board members. Rod Beckstrom has published a Blog post on: http://blog.icann.org/2011/01/status-report-on-the-dns-in-egypt/ He has steered away from making any kind of political statement, and I suspect that this was for a reason. Egypt's GAC representative is Ms. Manal Ismail. She works for the Telecom Regulation Authority (TRA) - but their Internet is cut too. The ccNSO representative is EGregistry.eg - and they are cut from the Internet as well. The ICANN manager for relations in the Middle East, Mr. Baher Esmat, is also based in Cairo - and he's also off-line. Many more participants in ICANN Supporting Organisations and Advisory Committees, including ICANN fellows are also based in Egypt. I have managed to speak to a couple of my own friends in Cairo. They explained that, like all Egyptians, they are worried about the security situation, their own personal security included. This is particularly important. Whilst I understand that the current action by Egypt breaks ICANN's Core Value #1, it is my firm view that any statement might bring more harm that good to ICANN and its friends at the present moment, if it is not crafted with caution. This is a complex political situation which surpasses ICANN's sphere of influence, and I should seriously recommend that ALAC keeps a low profile about this because of the political implications for our friends on the ground. That said, the Internet Society has released a Q&A document focussing primarily on the technical implications of the shut-down of Internet services in Egypt. It is very useful, and I propose that for the time being, we support this Q&A and point our members to it. I am therefore asking the ALAC to endorse the following statement in an accelerated vote and procedure: --- cut here --- Statement of the ALAC regarding current situation in Egypt The ALAC is concerned by the impact of developments in Egypt on the ordinary Internet user. In the light of ICANN's responsibility for IP address and AS number policy, and its core value of 'preserving and enhancing the operational stability, reliability, security, and global interoperability of the Internet', we endorse the ISOC statement and Q&A as expressed at http://isoc.org/wp/newsletter/?p=3100 Signed: The At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) --- cut here --- I hope that this will receive support and in this case, Heidi will swiftly follow-up with regards to voting procedures. In the meantime, and until the situation on the ground gets resolved, we wish all the Best to our Egyptian friends in this time of troubled politics in their country. Best regards, Olivier Crepin-Leblond ALAC Chair _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac -- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada Em: evan at telly dot org Sk: evanleibovitch Tw: el56

3 3

Fwd: The Internet Society on Egypt’s Internet shutdown
by Eric Brunner-Williams Feb. 1, 2011

Feb. 1, 2011

via Dmitry Burkov. We are following the current events in Egypt with concern as it appears that all incoming and outgoing Internet traffic has been disrupted. The Internet Society believes that the Internet is a global medium that fundamentally supports opportunity, empowerment, knowledge, growth, and freedom and that these values should never be taken away from individuals. The Internet Society considers this recent action by the Egyptian government to block Internet traffic to be an inappropriate response to a political crisis. It is a very serious decision for a government to block all Internet access in its country, and a serious intrusion into its citizens’ basic rights to communicate. If the blockage continues, it will have a very detrimental impact on Egypt’s economy and society. Ultimately, the Egyptian people and nation are the ones that will suffer, while the rest of the world will be worse off with the loss of Egyptian voices on the net. However we are most concerned about the safety and security of the Egyptian people. Alongside the rest of the world, we share the hope for a positive and lasting solution to the problems that have risen to the surface there. In the longer term, we are sure that the world will learn a lesson from this very unfortunate example, and come to understand that cutting off a nation’s access to the Internet only serves to fuel dissent and does not address the underlying causes of dissatisfaction. Text Ends. This is something that matters. The government of Nepal shut down network access in 2005. The government of Burma significantly reduced network access in 2005, and again in 2007. I attended the November 2008 ICANN meeting in Cairo, as did some other participants in NARALO. About 25 million people live in Cairo alone. When we were there two years ago a plurality, if not a majority of people I observed in domestic class hotels and malls had cell phones. WiFi hot spots were available all around the ICANN venue area, and more importantly, in central Cairo, the area that is shown on CNN and Al Jazeera today. Internet access is a big part of Egyptian urban society. As my friend Barry Shein, who also attended the Cairo meeting, writes: "I was curious about [Press Secretary Robert Gibb's characterization of the demonstrators as having middle class aspirations] having wandered around Cairo. The protesters looked to me like middle-class Egyptians as opposed to galabeah (sp?) wearing working class." I suggest that the NARALO leadership draft a statement on the public interest value of public network access, free of interruption, and also free of deep packet inspection, by governments. Eric

12 38

Fwd: Re: Connectivity status for Egypt
by Eric Brunner-Williams Jan. 31, 2011

Jan. 31, 2011

Noor is now down too and the stockmarket, up today at 2pm Cairo time (when I checked to see the market close -- it never opened), is now down. See Beckstrom's blog entry: http://blog.icann.org/2011/01/status-report-on-the-dns-in-egypt He mentions two policy issues -- TTL expiry, and extra-territoriality of secondary(ies), and goes out of his way to invoke a ccNSO policy development outcome. http://stat.ripe.net/egypt/ shows another big spike today when Noor.net was pulled. Eric -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Connectivity status for Egypt Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:51:04 -0500 From: Marshall Eubanks <tme(a)americafree.tv> To: Danny O'Brien <danny(a)spesh.com> CC: nanog(a)nanog.org On Jan 31, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Danny O'Brien wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Marshall Eubanks <tme(a)americafree.tv>wrote: > >> As an update, BGP for Noor.net has been withdrawn. Even the Egyptian stock >> exchange - egyptse.com - now appears to be off the Internet. >> >> > Yep, Noor is now down. Collateral damage from all of this, as detailed in http://blog.icann.org/2011/01/status-report-on-the-dns-in-egypt/ is that the Arabic script top-level domain .masr (مصر) has been unavailable since the 27th, since it is is operated by NTRA of Egypt. Regards Marshall > > Those on the ground with Noor DSL in Cairo contacted their front line > support, and they're saying "technical problems" that will take a few hours > to fix. > > Does anyone has a list of routes that are still up, and seem to correlate > with Egyptian locations? Andree's last list is here: > http://bgpmon.net/egypt-routes-jan29-2011.txt > > I'm staring at looking glass output to check these remaining routes, and > that seems unfair on both those offering those free services, and my own > sanity... > > d. > > > >> DNS for egyptse.com also appears to be down, but Noor.net is definitely >> withdrawn : >> >> dig www.noor.net >> >> ; <<>> DiG 9.6.0-APPLE-P2 <<>> www.noor.net >> ;; global options: +cmd >> ;; Got answer: >> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 15709 >> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 >> >> ;; QUESTION SECTION: >> ;www.noor.net. IN A >> >> ;; ANSWER SECTION: >> www.noor.net. 503 IN CNAME noor.net. >> noor.net. 503 IN A 217.139.227.20 >> >> show ip bgp 217.139.227.20 >> % Network not in table >> >> >> Marshall >> >> >> >> On Jan 28, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Franck Martin wrote: >> >>> If I'm correct, in 2000 in Fiji, the main fiber optic cable from the >> national provider to the international provider was sabotaged, cutting all >> communications. Fortunately an Alcatel team was on the island (SCC >> commissioning) with the right tools and could splice it back in a few hours, >> otherwise Fiji would have gone dark for days... >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joe Abley" <jabley(a)hopcount.ca> >>> To: "Marshall Eubanks" <tme(a)americafree.tv> >>> Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org >>> Sent: Saturday, 29 January, 2011 7:32:07 AM >>> Subject: Re: Connectivity status for Egypt >>> >>> >>> On 2011-01-28, at 11:33, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >>> >>>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have seen nation state disconnects where light is lost. >>>> >>>> I believe that was the case for Burma, for example. >>> >>> It was not the case in Nepal in 2005 though, if I remember correctly. In >> that case connectivity to the outside was maintained, but access to that >> connectivity by people inside the country was curtailed. >>> >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >

2 1

Re: [NA-Discuss] Forward motion on the Egyptian Internet shutdown
by Beau Brendler Jan. 31, 2011

Jan. 31, 2011

yes, that was my point -- not that cutting off access is a regional problem, but rather wanting NA to avoid looking unduly paternal -----Original Message----- >From: Marc Rotenberg <rotenberg(a)epic.org> >Sent: Jan 31, 2011 10:30 AM >To: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net> >Cc: Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml(a)communisphere.com>, Gareth Shearman <shearman(a)victoria.tc.ca>, NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Forward motion on the Egyptian Internet shutdown > >I take Beau's point to be that it would be better if the statement >emerged from the RALO closest to the immediate problem. >But in some respects that could also lead to further politicization. >And the relevance for NA-RALO is clear -- one of key cyber security >proposals before the US Congress is the creation of an "Internet kill >switch." > >This is why we should try to generalize: cutting off access to the >Internet is not simply a regional problem. > >Marc. > > >On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Beau Brendler wrote: > >> OK, since this discussion took place on the NA list, help me with the next step, if there is one. >> >> Is the consensus that NA should draft a short statement? I would urge against it. Though I personally believe something should be said, it is for ALAC to make the move, and leadership of AF-RALO should take the lead -- and whether that means creating a statement, or urging ICANN as an organization to do something should also be specified. >> >> So the choices are: >> >> a) Make a short NA statement. >> b) Make no NA statement but vociferously tell the ALAC to make a statement and/or advise ICANN to do so. >> c) What? >> >> Beau >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml(a)communisphere.com> >>> Sent: Jan 31, 2011 12:36 AM >>> To: Gareth Shearman <shearman(a)victoria.tc.ca> >>> Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: The Internet Society on Egypt’s Internet shutdown >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> On 1/31/2011 12:32 AM, Gareth Shearman wrote: >>>> + 1 >>>> >>>> Gareth >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2011-01-30, at 8:45 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Well then we disagree. >>>>> >>>>> For the more we discuss it, the more convinced I become that ICANN should make a statement declaring, at the very least, this sort of behavior to be incompatible with the well being of the Internet and contrary to international covenants related to freedom of information. >>>>> >>>>> If ICANN is going to have credibility in its role as a steward of the Internet, it must not let this pass uncommented. If it does, then it will share responsibility for all future such action by virtue of its silence. >>>>> >>>>> John, I thank you for helping me see the issue more clearly. >>>>> >>>>> a. >>>>> >>>>> On 30 Jan 2011, at 23:30, John R. Levine wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> But certainly I think ICANN can describe what sorts of behavior is and is not appropriate and certainly I think that allocation policy can look at taking such behaviors into account. >>>>>> I am unalterably opposed to any proposal in which ICANN would purport to tell any government what to do. That just makes us look silly. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's not like the Egyptian government is unaware of what they've done, after all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> John Levine, johnl(a)iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", >>>>>> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ >>>>> NA-Discuss mailing list >>>>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >>>>> >>>>> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>>>> ------ >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> NA-Discuss mailing list >>>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >>>> >>>> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>>> ------ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------ >>> NA-Discuss mailing list >>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >>> >>> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>> ------ >> >> >> ------ >> NA-Discuss mailing list >> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >> >> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >> ------ >

2 1

Forward motion on the Egyptian Internet shutdown
by Beau Brendler Jan. 31, 2011

Jan. 31, 2011

OK, since this discussion took place on the NA list, help me with the next step, if there is one. Is the consensus that NA should draft a short statement? I would urge against it. Though I personally believe something should be said, it is for ALAC to make the move, and leadership of AF-RALO should take the lead -- and whether that means creating a statement, or urging ICANN as an organization to do something should also be specified. So the choices are: a) Make a short NA statement. b) Make no NA statement but vociferously tell the ALAC to make a statement and/or advise ICANN to do so. c) What? Beau -----Original Message----- >From: Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml(a)communisphere.com> >Sent: Jan 31, 2011 12:36 AM >To: Gareth Shearman <shearman(a)victoria.tc.ca> >Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: The Internet Society on Egypt’s Internet shutdown > >+1 > >On 1/31/2011 12:32 AM, Gareth Shearman wrote: >> + 1 >> >> Gareth >> >> >> On 2011-01-30, at 8:45 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Well then we disagree. >>> >>> For the more we discuss it, the more convinced I become that ICANN should make a statement declaring, at the very least, this sort of behavior to be incompatible with the well being of the Internet and contrary to international covenants related to freedom of information. >>> >>> If ICANN is going to have credibility in its role as a steward of the Internet, it must not let this pass uncommented. If it does, then it will share responsibility for all future such action by virtue of its silence. >>> >>> John, I thank you for helping me see the issue more clearly. >>> >>> a. >>> >>> On 30 Jan 2011, at 23:30, John R. Levine wrote: >>> >>>>> But certainly I think ICANN can describe what sorts of behavior is and is not appropriate and certainly I think that allocation policy can look at taking such behaviors into account. >>>> I am unalterably opposed to any proposal in which ICANN would purport to tell any government what to do. That just makes us look silly. >>>> >>>> It's not like the Egyptian government is unaware of what they've done, after all. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> John Levine, johnl(a)iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", >>>> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly >>>> >>> >>> ------ >>> NA-Discuss mailing list >>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >>> >>> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>> ------ >>> >> >> ------ >> NA-Discuss mailing list >> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >> >> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >> ------ >> >> >> >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------

5 4