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Re: [NA-Discuss] WTF?
by Beau Brendler Oct. 12, 2010

Oct. 12, 2010

what, am I unaffiliated rep for life? Maybe it's time to create my own ALS. -----Original Message----- From: Evan Leibovitch Sent: Oct 12, 2010 10:28 AM To: Beau Brendler Cc: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] WTF? On 12 October 2010 06:57, Beau Brendler <[1]beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net> wrote: no problem, I just didn't really understand the wording ... and if the goal is to better administer the process now, great, that's what I voted for. We should just help whoever takes up the position in the future to try to develop a mechanism for communicating with the unaffiliated people. You mean, like, the incoming chair of NARALO? ;-) - Evan References 1. mailto:beaubrendler@earthlink.net

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Re: [NA-Discuss] WTF?
by Beau Brendler Oct. 12, 2010

Oct. 12, 2010

no problem, I just didn't really understand the wording ... and if the goal is to better administer the process now, great, that's what I voted for. We should just help whoever takes up the position in the future to try to develop a mechanism for communicating with the unaffiliated people. I know that Matthias and Darlene and others were working on that, and I was supposed to help but didn't, so, onward to better representation for us unaffiiliateds... -----Original Message----- From: Evan Leibovitch Sent: Oct 11, 2010 11:10 PM To: Beau Brendler Cc: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] WTF? On 11 October 2010 19:38, Beau Brendler <[1]beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net> wrote: This has probably been explained before, but: Please note that Beau Brendler participated in the vote on behalf of the unaffiliated members. While his vote is visible on the above URL, it is not counted towards quorum as according to rule 15, an affirmative vote of not less than 70% of active North American At-Large Structures is required to amend the NARALO Operating Principles. What does that mean? Let's not pretend to give unaffiliated members a vote (in this particular case, a yes) if it's not going to be counted. Beau, I don't know why it was not counted and will check into it. If you participated in the vote then your vote counts and is part of the quorum. I apologize on behalf of the process that may have inadvertently missed your mention. Of course, as you and I both know, the purpose of this vote was to codify and formalize what had until been an informal and not-fully-recognised role of unaffiliated members and their representatives within NARALO and At-Large. - Evan References 1. mailto:beaubrendler@earthlink.net

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Re: [NA-Discuss] WTF?
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 12, 2010

Oct. 12, 2010

As I wrote earlier, the change we approved does NOT change the situation for Operating Procedure changes. It does clarify (but not change) the situation for other votes where the vote of Unaffiliated Members is counted. Alan At 12/10/2010 06:54 AM, Beau Brendler wrote: >Anyway, if the vote that didn't get counted actually addresses the >situation so that it will get counted in the future, then that's good.

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Re: [NA-Discuss] WTF?
by Beau Brendler Oct. 12, 2010

Oct. 12, 2010

I did put in a statement of interest...it was very brief, basically just saying that I hereby state that I am interested in representing unaffiliated members. But this was something I volunteered to do, so in the future, if somebody volunteers to do it, we should try to make it as easy for them as possible, because it's something of an administrative challenge... Anyway, if the vote that didn't get counted actually addresses the situation so that it will get counted in the future, then that's good. -----Original Message----- >From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> >Sent: Oct 11, 2010 11:58 PM >To: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson(a)gov.nu.ca>, Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org>, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net> >Cc: "na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] WTF? > >The situation is not that simple. Prior to the changes, section 5 of >the Operating Principles (OP) started with: > >"The governance of the NARALO will be exercised by a General >Assembly, formed by 2 representatives of each member ALS and 2 >members from among the unaffiliated individuals." In practice, we >have used just 1 representative per ALS and Unaffiliated Members, but >according to that Unaffiliated Members were represented in General >Assembly votes. The revised OP changes that 2 to become 1 in line >with our existing practices. > >However, section 15 says: > >"These Operating Principles will take effect when adopted by not less >than 70% of the active North American At-Large Structures. They may >be amended at any time by an affirmative vote of not less than 70% of >active North American At-Large Structures." > >So although the Unaffiliated Members are represented in votes of the >General Assembly, they were NOT deemed to participate in revision of >the Rules of Procedure. We have always referred to the Unaffiliated >Members as a "Virtual ALS", but the OP never included such a >reference. I was not an active participant in writing the original >OP, but I would like to think that this was an inadvertent omission >and not deliberate. If I had noticed this during the OP revision >process, I certainly would have raised the issue. > >I can't speak for why staff reported the vote as they did, but based >on these rules, it would appear that the error was in including the >Unaffiliated Members in the poll, and not how the results were reported. > >I would suggest that we fix this with due haste. > >In parallel, we also need to look at our Rules of Procedure. These >replicate the "2 per ALS" and there are a number of other places >where they conflict with the OP. > >Alan > >At 11/10/2010 11:21 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>I do not believe that Beau put in in an SOI to become the "vote" of >>the unaffilated members nor do I believe that they voted for him to >>be their "voice". This is why we entrenched this position into the >>changes to the RoP. We need to have more formal votes for this >>position. I do not believe that our RoP gave a vote to the >>unaffiliated voice prior to the vote so this is now in force but was >>not before. >> >>That is my understanding of it, anyways. >> >>D >> >>Darlene A. Thompson >>CAP Administrator >>Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP >>P.O. Box 1000, Sation 910 >>Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 >>Phone: (867) 975-5631 >>Fax: (867) 975-5610 >>E-mail: dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca >> >>________________________________ >> >>From: na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Evan Leibovitch >>Sent: Mon 10/11/2010 11:10 PM >>To: Beau Brendler >>Cc: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] WTF? >> >> >> >>On 11 October 2010 19:38, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> > This has probably been explained before, but: >> > >> > Please note that Beau Brendler participated in the vote on behalf of the >> > unaffiliated members. While his vote is visible on the above URL, it is not >> > counted towards quorum as according to rule 15, an affirmative vote of not >> > less than 70% of active North American At-Large Structures is required to >> > amend the NARALO Operating Principles. >> > >> > What does that mean? Let's not pretend to give unaffiliated members a vote >> > (in this particular case, a yes) if it's not going to be counted. >> > >> >> >>Beau, I don't know why it was not counted and will check into it. If you >>participated in the vote then your vote counts and is part of the quorum. I >>apologize on behalf of the process that may have inadvertently missed your >>mention. >> >>Of course, as you and I both know, the purpose of this vote was to codify >>and formalize what had until been an informal and not-fully-recognised role >>of unaffiliated members and their representatives within NARALO and >>At-Large. >> >>- Evan >>------ >>NA-Discuss mailing list >>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >> >>Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org/> >>------ >> >> >>------ >>NA-Discuss mailing list >>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >> >>Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>------ >

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WTF?
by Beau Brendler Oct. 12, 2010

Oct. 12, 2010

This has probably been explained before, but: Please note that Beau Brendler participated in the vote on behalf of the unaffiliated members. While his vote is visible on the above URL, it is not counted towards quorum as according to rule 15, an affirmative vote of not less than 70% of active North American At-Large Structures is required to amend the NARALO Operating Principles. What does that mean? Let's not pretend to give unaffiliated members a vote (in this particular case, a yes) if it's not going to be counted. -----Original Message----- >From: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >Sent: Oct 11, 2010 1:05 PM >To: "na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [NA-Discuss] VOTE RESULT: Vote on Revised NARALO Operating Principles > >Dear All, > >With 19 out of 22 or 86.4% of the ALS representatives having participated in the online vote on the revised NARALO Operating Principles, we can confirm that the result is quorate. > > ************ > >As at Poll close: Saturday 02 October 2010 >Number of voters: 19 · Group size: 22 · Percentage voted: 86.96 > >Yes: 18 (94.7%) >John Levine, Michael Maranda, Randy Glass, Darlene Thompson, Evan Leibovitch, Monique Chartrand, Gareth Shearman, Seth Reiss, Robert Guerra, Joly MacFie, Glenn McKnight, Sylvia Caras, Myles Braithwaite, Louis Houle, Annalisa Roger, Eduardo Diaz, Chris Grundemann, Alan Skuce > >Abstain: 1 (5.3%) >Ted Ernst > >No: 0 (0.00%) > > ************ > >You may review the result independently under: >https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=1386cez6JEPvWTTvPMCfAGeg > >Please note that Beau Brendler participated in the vote on behalf of the unaffiliated members. While his vote is visible on the above URL, it is not counted towards quorum as according to rule 15, an affirmative vote of not less than 70% of active North American At-Large Structures is required to amend the NARALO Operating Principles. > >You can review the adopted modification of the NARALO Operating Principles under: >https://community.icann.org/display/NARALO/RALO+Organising+Documents > >-- >Regards, > >Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström >ICANN At-Large Staff > >email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org >website: www.atlarge.icann.org >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------

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VOTE RESULT: Vote on Revised NARALO Operating Principles
by ICANN At-Large Staff Oct. 11, 2010

Oct. 11, 2010

Dear All, With 19 out of 22 or 86.4% of the ALS representatives having participated in the online vote on the revised NARALO Operating Principles, we can confirm that the result is quorate. ************ As at Poll close: Saturday 02 October 2010 Number of voters: 19 · Group size: 22 · Percentage voted: 86.96 Yes: 18 (94.7%) John Levine, Michael Maranda, Randy Glass, Darlene Thompson, Evan Leibovitch, Monique Chartrand, Gareth Shearman, Seth Reiss, Robert Guerra, Joly MacFie, Glenn McKnight, Sylvia Caras, Myles Braithwaite, Louis Houle, Annalisa Roger, Eduardo Diaz, Chris Grundemann, Alan Skuce Abstain: 1 (5.3%) Ted Ernst No: 0 (0.00%) ************ You may review the result independently under: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=1386cez6JEPvWTTvPMCfAGeg Please note that Beau Brendler participated in the vote on behalf of the unaffiliated members. While his vote is visible on the above URL, it is not counted towards quorum as according to rule 15, an affirmative vote of not less than 70% of active North American At-Large Structures is required to amend the NARALO Operating Principles. You can review the adopted modification of the NARALO Operating Principles under: https://community.icann.org/display/NARALO/RALO+Organising+Documents -- Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org

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March 2011 San Francisco meeting
by Sylvia Caras Oct. 9, 2010

Oct. 9, 2010

I just saw an announcement of the March meeting, to be held in San Francisco. But the announcement t didn't say just where. I'd like to attend some of the meeting, but not all of it. Which days would be most interesting from the point of view of this list? End-users? (I haven't been active, am skimming the issues, ... ) Sylvia People Who Santa Cruz, CA (75 miles southwest of San Francisco)

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Application Round Opens for San Francisco Fellowships/L'application ronde s'ouvre pour des camaraderies de San Francisco/El uso redondo se abre para las becas de San Francisco
by ICANN At-Large Staff Oct. 8, 2010

Oct. 8, 2010

La version française est ci-dessous La versión española está abajo ** Dear All, Applications are now being accepted for Fellows to attend the 40th ICANN Meeting to be held in San Francisco, California, USA on 13-18 March 2011. The complete announcement, including eligibility requirements and application instructions are available at: http://icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-05oct10-en.htm. The deadline for the applications is 12 November 2010. Kind regards, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff ** Cher tous, Des demandes maintenant sont acceptées pour que des camarades assistent à la quarantième réunion d'ICANN à tenir à San Francisco, la Californie, Etats-Unis les 13-18 mars 2011. L'annonce complète, y compris des conditions d'admissibilité et les instructions d'application sont disponibles à : http://icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-05oct10-en.htm (En anglais seulement). La date-limite pour les applications est le 12 novembre 2010. Cordialment, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff ** Estimado todos, Los usos ahora se están aceptando para que a los compañeros assistan a la 40.a reunión de ICANN que se sostendrá en San Francisco, California, los días 13-18 de marzo de 2011. El aviso completo, incluyendo requisitos de la elegibilidad y las instrucciones del uso están disponibles en: http://icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-05oct10-en.htm (En inglés solamente). El plazo para los usos es el 12 de noviembre de 2010. Atentamente, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff

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Re: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 11 October 2010 @ 19:00 UTC
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 7, 2010

Oct. 7, 2010

Or US Columbus Day. At 06/10/2010 10:42 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >Actually, the NARALO meeting takes place October 18. By convention >passed last year, we make an exeption to our regular meeting time >during October, holding the meeting on the third Monday so to not >compete with Canadian Thanksgiving. - Evan

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At-Large Community wiki on Confluence now ready for use
by Heidi Ullrich Oct. 5, 2010

Oct. 5, 2010

Dear All, The At-Large Community wiki that has been migrated to Confluence is now ready for use by the At-Large community! The At-Large Community wiki is available at: http://community.icann.org under "ALAC". The At-Large Community wiki is accessible to all to view. As agreed by the ALAC Executive Committee, editing permissions have been given to members of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and regional officers. Please note that the migration is a work in progress. Over the next two weeks, IT staff will continue to update the At-Large Community wiki from the snapshot that was taken on 6 September. Additional features will also be added. During this period, the At-Large Social Text wiki pages will remain accessible for reading and editing. However, we encourage those with editing rights to begin editing the At-Large Community wiki on Confluence as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact At-Large staff at staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> if you have questions or comments regarding the content or structure of the At-Large Community wiki. For technical questions regarding the Confluence wiki, please contact Naveed Tahir-Kheli at naveed(a)icann.org<mailto:naveed@icann.org>. Kind regards, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff

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