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FW: Regional Advice for Papergate
by Thompson, Darlene April 16, 2009

April 16, 2009

Hi all, The due diligence for Papergate has now come in. Its fairly thin. Here are the facts that I can see: 1. Papergate seems to be registered as a business but has not yet registered as a corporation so we have no proof of its actual existence; 2. The two web sites that they have are still under construction and have no information available; 3. We cannot get a copy of their bylaws to prove their mandate because they aren't incorporated yet; 4. As they are not yet incorporated, they have no members; and 5. We cannot prove anything in their application because of the complete lack of backup. So, we need to provide regional advice on whether to accept this group as an ALS. Apparently Danny Younger has had contact with Deby Morrow, President of Papergate and I would sure like to hear his take on this situation. I guess my major concern is fairness and transparency. When Danny Younger applied to become an ALS as an individual, he was turned down. How is this application any different? Should we be: 1. Accepting this application as an individual and accepting it on this basis; 2. Accepting this application as an ALS; or 3. Rejecting this application. This is what our region has to decide upon. Suggestions? Comments? HELP!!!!! D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca <mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca> ________________________________ From: At-Large Staff [mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org] Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:03 AM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: Evan Leibovitch; At-Large Staff Subject: Regional Advice for Papergate Dear Darlene, On January 20th, we received a North-American ALS application from Papergate, LLC. Please find the Due Diligence form attached. We kindly ask you to provide us with the regional advice for this application in your capacity as At-Large Secretariat for this region. Your advice will support the review of the At-Large Advisory Committee on this application. According to our timeline for ALS applications, the due date for the regional advice was March 10th. Because of the At-Large Summit preparations we were unable to process the application according to the agreed timeframe. We would appreciate it therefore if you could provide us with regional advise for this applicant within the next two weeks to ensure that the process suffers no further delays. We would like to remind you that the DD form could contain sensitive information. Please read it carefully before sending it off to third parties. Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella Gruber-White, Marie-Helene Bouchoms ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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Presentation from last night
by Evan Leibovitch April 15, 2009

April 15, 2009

Hello everyone, Last night I made a presentation on ICANN issues to the Toronto Linux User Group. A brief time was spent with introductions of ICANN and the domain name system, then I addressed some of the interesting stories and issues -- especially gTLDs. There were no slides to go with the show -- I was working with a blackboard :-) -- but I posted some follow-up links. And you can pretty-well tell the flow of my talk based on the links and their order. As a result of the talk we may actually get another ALS application or two. Given that ICANN has starved At-Large of outreach resources for more than a year, going out and talking about ICANN within your local circles appears to be the only way -- at least for now -- that we're going to get any more North American ALSs involved. I hope the collection of links below is helpful, at least as a guide to the things you may want to talk about in an "ICANN 101" talk of your own -- Evan (1) ICANN basics: http://icann.org/ http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/ http://www.icannwatch.org/ (2) ICANN At-Large http://www.atlarge.icann.org/en/ http://www.atlarge.icann.org/summit-en.htm http://www.atlarge.icann.org/announcements/announcement-05mar09-en.htm (my speech that closed the Summit) (3) Not everyone thinks that ICANN At-Large is useful http://weblog.johnlevine.com/ICANN/offalac.html (I can't say that I totally disagree but I remain optimistic) (4) NARALO (the north american region of at-large) https://st.icann.org/naralo/index.cgi (5) On becoming an ALS: http://www.atlarge.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-23may05.htm http://www.atlarge.icann.org/en/framework.htm http://www.atlarge.icann.org/files/atlarge/als-application-form-en.doc (6) Examples of the testing of domain names using Unicode (Internationalized domain names) http://例子.測試/ http://مثال.إختبار/ http://בײַשפּיל.טעסט/ http://παράδειγμα.δοκιμή/ If you can't see or use them try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_level_domains (7) IPV6 info: http://www.icann.org/announcements/factsheet-ipv6-26oct07.pdf http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2008/02/icann-flips-switch-on-ipv6-dns-r… http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2008/05/one-small-step-google-officially… http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/26/1753259&from=rss http://ipv6.google.com/ (8) DNSSEC info: http://mex.icann.org/files/meetings/mexico2009/atlarge-summit-dnssec-infras… http://mex.icann.org/files/meetings/mexico2009/tuma-dnssec-implementation-0… http://www.dnssec-deployment.org/ (9) Some lesser-known current TLDs: http://about.museum/ http://www.travel.travel/ http://www.information.aero/gateway/index_html http://www.nic.name/ http://www.dotasia.org/ (10) The sad story of .xxx http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2007-03-30-icann-xxx_N.htm?csp… (11) The only place the Soviet Union still lives -- ICANN: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/2008-04-18-196687842_x.htm http://www.nic.ru/dns/service/en/su.html (12) Some examples of preliminary efforts to build support for city and culturally based top-level domains: http://www.pointquebec.org/ http://www.dotcym.org/home/ http://www.dotsco.org/ http://www.dotberlin.de/ http://connectingnyc.org/ http://www.dotker.org-a.googlepages.com/home (13) New gTLD process http://icann.org/en/topics/new-gtld-program.htm http://www.icann.org/en/topics/new-gtlds/draft-rfp-redline-18feb09-en.pdf https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?at_large_gtld_working_group_s…

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Re: [NA-Discuss] FW: Regional Advice for Papergate
by WWWhatsup April 15, 2009

April 15, 2009

> >>Basically, we have no proof of Papergate's existence >>> (whether incorporated or not doesn't matter), whether it has members or >>> not, what its actual mandate is or anything at all. I think it's pretty clear on this basis that the application should be rejected. joly >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] FW: Regional Advice for Papergate >> From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson(a)GOV.NU.CA> >> Date: Tue, April 07, 2009 10:55 am >> To: "Garth Bruen at KnujOn" <gbruen(a)knujon.com>, "Evan Leibovitch" >> <evan(a)telly.org> >> Cc: <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> Not really, >> Frankly, my own ALS, N-CAP was not AT ALL engaged in ICANN activities >> before becoming accredited. But it was a REAL entity with REAL members >> with a REAL constitution that was in line with what ICANN wanted. After >> becoming accredited, then we became active in the ICANN milieu. >> So, the fact that Papergate hasn't been involved in ICANN activities in >> the past has no bearing at all, nor how they would use their ALS status. >> If you read the DD report that I attached to my first e-mail and then >> reference the points that I brought up, you might get a clearer idea of >> the issue here. Basically, we have no proof of Papergate's existence >> (whether incorporated or not doesn't matter), whether it has members or >> not, what its actual mandate is or anything at all. >> Clear as mud? Let me know! >> D >> Darlene A. Thompson >> Community Access Program Administrator >> Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP >> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 >> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 >> Phone: (867) 975-5631 >> Fax: (867) 975-5610 >> E-mail: dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca >> >------ Joly MacFie 212 608 1334 http://wwwhatsup.com http://punkcast.com http://pinstand.com

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Updated Reminder: NARALO Teleconference now scheduled for Monday, Apri 20 at 19:00UTC
by Heidi Ullrich April 10, 2009

April 10, 2009

Dear All, Due to popular demand, the NARALO teleconference currently scheduled for Monday, April 13th at 19:00 UTC has now been re-scheduled to Monday, April 20 at 19:00 UTC. Please find the proposed agenda and participation information linked to the meeting page at: https://st.icann.org/naralo/index.cgi?20_april_2009. Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella Gruber-White, Marie-Helene Bouchoms ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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Reminder: NARALO Teleconference scheduled for Monday, April 13 at 19:00UTC
by Heidi Ullrich April 8, 2009

April 8, 2009

Dear All, This is to remind you that there is a NARALO teleconference currently scheduled for Monday, April 13th at 19:00 UTC. Given that this day is Easter Monday, which to some of you may be a holiday, could you please let us know by Thursday, April 9th whether you will be able to participate in this meeting or whether you would prefer to re-schedule it for Tuesday, April 14th or Monday, April 20th at 19:00 UTC? Please find the proposed agenda and participation information linked to the meeting page at: https://st.icann.org/naralo/index.cgi?13_april_2009. Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella Gruber-White, Marie-Helene Bouchoms ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Reminder: NARALO Teleconference scheduled forMonday, April 13 at 19:00UTC
by Garth Bruen at KnujOn April 8, 2009

April 8, 2009

Fine with either > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Reminder: NARALO Teleconference scheduled > forMonday, April 13 at 19:00UTC > From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson(a)GOV.NU.CA> > Date: Wed, April 08, 2009 8:33 am > To: "Gareth Shearman" <shearman(a)victoria.tc.ca>, "Heidi Ullrich" > <Heidi.Ullrich(a)icann.org> > Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Me too! > > Darlene A. Thompson > Community Access Program Administrator > Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP > P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 > Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 > Phone: (867) 975-5631 > Fax: (867) 975-5610 > E-mail: dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca > > -----Original Message----- > From: na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Gareth > Shearman > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:59 PM > To: Heidi Ullrich > Cc: NA Discuss > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Reminder: NARALO Teleconference scheduled > forMonday, April 13 at 19:00UTC > > Personally I would much prefer postponing this meeting to Monday the > 20th. > > Gareth > > On 7-Apr-09, at 5:09 PM, Heidi Ullrich wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > This is to remind you that there is a NARALO teleconference > > currently scheduled for Monday, April 13th at 19:00 UTC. > > > > > > > > Given that this day is Easter Monday, which to some of you may be a > > holiday, could you please let us know by Thursday, April 9th whether > > you will be able to participate in this meeting or whether you would > > prefer to re-schedule it for Tuesday, April 14th or Monday, April > > 20th at 19:00 UTC? > > > > > > > > Please find the proposed agenda and participation information linked > > to the meeting page at: > https://st.icann.org/naralo/index.cgi?13_april_2009 > > . > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella > > Gruber-White, Marie-Helene Bouchoms > > ICANN At-Large Staff > > email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > > > > > > > ------ > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists > .icann.org > > > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > > ------ > > > > > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists > .icann.org > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > ------ > > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > ------

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Re: [NA-Discuss] FW: Regional Advice for Papergate
by Garth Bruen at KnujOn April 7, 2009

April 7, 2009

I know, just trying to add info to determine if they are serious > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] FW: Regional Advice for Papergate > From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson(a)GOV.NU.CA> > Date: Tue, April 07, 2009 10:55 am > To: "Garth Bruen at KnujOn" <gbruen(a)knujon.com>, "Evan Leibovitch" > <evan(a)telly.org> > Cc: <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Not really, > Frankly, my own ALS, N-CAP was not AT ALL engaged in ICANN activities > before becoming accredited. But it was a REAL entity with REAL members > with a REAL constitution that was in line with what ICANN wanted. After > becoming accredited, then we became active in the ICANN milieu. > So, the fact that Papergate hasn't been involved in ICANN activities in > the past has no bearing at all, nor how they would use their ALS status. > If you read the DD report that I attached to my first e-mail and then > reference the points that I brought up, you might get a clearer idea of > the issue here. Basically, we have no proof of Papergate's existence > (whether incorporated or not doesn't matter), whether it has members or > not, what its actual mandate is or anything at all. > Clear as mud? Let me know! > D > Darlene A. Thompson > Community Access Program Administrator > Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP > P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 > Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 > Phone: (867) 975-5631 > Fax: (867) 975-5610 > E-mail: dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca > > -----Original Message----- > From: na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Garth > Bruen at KnujOn > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:50 AM > To: Evan Leibovitch > Cc: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] FW: Regional Advice for Papergate > Hello folks. Having just been accepted myself, I was hoping to avoid > weighing in heavily on this, but I'm concerned. KnujOn was very engaged > in ICANN activities for a long time before applying for At-Large > membership. I gather from the conversation there is scant evidence of > how Papergate has been involved in ICANN activities or how they would > use the ALS status? > ------------------------------------- > Collect, analyze, enforce, repeat... > Garth Bruen > gbruen(a)knujon.com > http://www.knujon.com > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/149/724 > Dr. Robert Bruen at: > RSA, San Francisco, CA - April 20-24 > https://365.rsaconference.com/index.jspa > Antispyware Coalition, Washington D.C. - May 19 > http://www.antispywarecoalition.org/events/index.htm > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] FW: Regional Advice for Papergate > > From: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> > > Date: Tue, April 07, 2009 10:07 am > > To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> > > Cc: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Alan Greenberg wrote: > > > As Darlene said, incorporating but not having any viable > organization > > > is not particularly good either. I happen to be associated with a > > > functioning, productive not-for-profit (far from the ICANN world) > and > > > I would hope that our not having incorporated (initial and ongoing > > > cost just to high to justify) would not be held against us. > > Correct, and I erred by suggesting that an ALS might need to be > > incorporated. The ICANN rules regarding ALS accreditation explicitly > > make no requirement for legal corporate status. > > > Proof/demonstration of ongoing activities and membership is the key. > > Absolutely agreed. > > - Evan > > ------ > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists > .icann.org > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > > ------ > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists > .icann.org > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > ------

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Re: [NA-Discuss] FW: Regional Advice for Papergate
by Garth Bruen at KnujOn April 7, 2009

April 7, 2009

Hello folks. Having just been accepted myself, I was hoping to avoid weighing in heavily on this, but I'm concerned. KnujOn was very engaged in ICANN activities for a long time before applying for At-Large membership. I gather from the conversation there is scant evidence of how Papergate has been involved in ICANN activities or how they would use the ALS status? ------------------------------------- Collect, analyze, enforce, repeat... Garth Bruen gbruen(a)knujon.com http://www.knujon.com http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/149/724 Dr. Robert Bruen at: RSA, San Francisco, CA - April 20-24 https://365.rsaconference.com/index.jspa Antispyware Coalition, Washington D.C. - May 19 http://www.antispywarecoalition.org/events/index.htm > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] FW: Regional Advice for Papergate > From: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> > Date: Tue, April 07, 2009 10:07 am > To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> > Cc: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Alan Greenberg wrote: > > As Darlene said, incorporating but not having any viable organization > > is not particularly good either. I happen to be associated with a > > functioning, productive not-for-profit (far from the ICANN world) and > > I would hope that our not having incorporated (initial and ongoing > > cost just to high to justify) would not be held against us. > Correct, and I erred by suggesting that an ALS might need to be > incorporated. The ICANN rules regarding ALS accreditation explicitly > make no requirement for legal corporate status. > > Proof/demonstration of ongoing activities and membership is the key. > Absolutely agreed. > - Evan > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > ------

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Asking for approval of Summit WG3 report (new gTLDs)
by Evan Leibovitch April 7, 2009

April 7, 2009

Hello all, I'm coming to one of those moments of pure exasperation. At the Summit, I was involved in working group 3 -- new gTLDs. My WG -- like all of them -- worked hard and long hours to craft a consensus that included not only critique but concrete recommendations for progress. The result of this work is at https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?statement_on_new_gtlds_application… We knew at the time that ICANN had imposed a deadline of April 13 for comments to revision 2 of the gTLD guidebook. I have been desperately asking ALAC for some process in evaluating the work to date, suggesting changes, and submitting the result in time as an endorsed document. To this end, I attended the last ALAC conference call and practically begged for some indication that this was being taken seriously. So far I have heard nothing from anyone except for 1) Un-helpful comments from staff that suggested our credibility was at risk because of unnamed people whose views we hadn't considered. Weeks have passed since this staff threat was issued, yet none of the unnamed has stepped forward. 2) A timetable offered by the ALAC executive, proposing a consultative process that ends one week after the deadline has passed: https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?at_large_policy_development_schedu… I have personally heard from a number of individuals, and I have indicated their concerns in comments at the bottom of the WG3 wiki page indicated above. I am hoping to word-craft some text that will address these concerns. I also recall Beau stating that he had some comments but I haven't heard any details yet. In the meantime, I would like to know if I can ask for NARALO endorsement of the document, in light of ALAC's absence of action (and the breaking of a personal promise by its Chair). At this point I am asking for a tentative endorsement while I word on wording to address the concerns raised in my comments underneath. - Evan

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News: Google to increase push to IPV6
by Evan Leibovitch April 3, 2009

April 3, 2009

An interesting story, if for no other reason than to call more attention to the growing scarcity of IPV4 numbers: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10204391-92.html There's even a dedicated Google page on its IPV6 efforts (which include instrutions on how to access its IPV6 services): http://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/ - Evan

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