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LA Meeting Planning
by Thompson, Darlene Sept. 25, 2007

Sept. 25, 2007

Hi all, This message is especially directed to those of you who attended San Juan but, I'm sure, may be of interest to others. While in San Juan, we came up with a list of "Next Steps", including some work that some wanted done at the LA Meeting for outreach and education. You can find it at: https://st.icann.org/naralo/index.cgi?planning_next_steps_for_na_ralo We had to come up with this in a VERY rushed manner as we were told that staff needed to start planning a budget for this year and if we wanted to have any say in it, we needed to have something in prior to the end of the San Juan meeting. So, we all squished into a business centre and came up with this. What we didn't know, is that to push this forward we needed to also do up a formal proposal to ICANN using their forms. So, that didn't get done. So, that means that nothing that we came up with has been brought forward within ICANN. So, first of all: I'm very sorry that I didn't know the processes that were in place within ICANN in order to push this stuff forward. As Secretariat, I should have, but this is all news to me. These were processes that were in place before I came onto the scene and I was completely unaware of them. This problem will not be repeated. Secondly: For ICANN to actually approve stuff like this, they need to see action on the list or on telephone conferences. It doesn't cut it to say, "Well, lets get together in LA and discuss this stuff." They want to see the discussion happening virtually, and then would likely be willing to pay for travel if it means putting the final bits all together. What they seem to REALLY balk at is all of the inactivity in discussing things on-list or on telephone-conferences and then sudden expectations of travel with very little to show for it. Hey, if it was your money, you might feel the same way. Thirdly: Nick and I have had INNUMERABLE discussions off list, on the phone, on a telephone conference that I had to pay for, etc. etc. I am still battling the lack of transparency thing with ICANN, the lack of timely telling us what we need to do to make things happen, etc. etc. That has gone on off list as I'm sure nobody needs more crap lining their in-boxes. So, basically, that is what is happening on my end and I hope that this provides an explanation to any/all who were wondering about the LA meeting. Take care, D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca

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Meeting Scheduling for LA
by Bret Fausett Sept. 24, 2007

Sept. 24, 2007

Nick and NARALOers, I do not see the ALAC schedule posted as part of the Los Angeles meeting schedule yet, but looking over what is there, Tuesday, 30 October appears to be the most open day to schedule some NARALO meeting time together. Entire Schedule: http://losangeles2007.icann.org/schedule ALAC Schedule: http://losangeles2007.icann.org/schedule?filter0=9 My working assumption is that only a handful of us will be there in person, so I would like to find some time together that will allow remote participation to the greatest extent possible. Nick, can you let us know what times might be available? I was thinking about Tuesday, October 30th, 10:00am-12noon PST. Would we have time and space and conferencing facilities available then? I don't want to schedule more than two hours, and I'd like to use a morning slot if at all possible as I don't want to require those joining us from the east coast to do so in their evening. Bret -- Bret Fausett (skype me at "lextext") (smime.p7s is a digital signature) -------------------------------------

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Fwd: [At-Large] Schedule Posted for ICANN's 30th International Public Meeting
by Robert Guerra Sept. 20, 2007

Sept. 20, 2007

FYI - Copy of message I have just posted to the - public - at-large list. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra(a)privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377 Begin forwarded message: > From: lists(a)privaterra.info > Date: September 20, 2007 2:24:56 PM EDT > To: "At-Large Worldwide" <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Schedule Posted for ICANN's 30th > International Public Meeting > > > First, i'm a bit frustrated with alot going on in at-large and ALAC > at the > moment. So this message is likely to be a bit of rant. I apologize in > advance , but certain things need to be said - in an open list... > > Nick: > > > I think there are numerous issues where we agree - for example, i > concur > that meetings should be planned well in advance as it allows people to > better plan their schedule and important meetings to be scheduled. > Translation is also important, and know oh too well - that such things > need to be done well in advance. > > In my opinion, ALAC, should have at least proposed a draft meeting > agenda > ahead of the last conference call. Recognizing that developing an > agenda > is important a sub-committee was created in name only, as no > substantial > work nor discussion is taking place at all. > > Yes, I'm a member of the subcommittee - however i've not been given a > mandate to unilaterally make recommendations both for the committee > nor > ALAC as a whole. Should the sub-committee chair and/or the ALAC as > a whole > mandate me to unilaterally create an agenda/schdule and > collaborate with > you to book times, meetings, etc - then fine. > > Let me then submit a proposal - Does the ALAC chair and LA planning > sub-committee which to mandate a specific person to volunteer to > collaborate with ICANN staff (Nick and others) to plan and develop an > agenda for the LA meeting. > > > YES - OK TO DELEGATE PLANNING AND AGENDA SETTING AUTHORITY to a > specific > person > NO - CHAIR & SUBCOMMITTEE, THOUGH INACTIVE PREFER TO WAIT. > > >> >> We will be unable to accommodate requests for new meetings which are >> made any less than two weeks before the start of the meeting on >> Monday 29th October. > > > Completely understand.. > >> >> To remind the public list as I have reminded the private list: there >> are members of the committee who really need interpretation to >> participate fully, so I would hope that you would try to do any real >> work at sessions where that can be provided... > > > let me also make the point that if sub-committees are created, then > people > should put in time, energy and effort to get things done. If not, > then - > please don't create a committee in the first place. > > Smaller constituencies with far less resources then at-large are > able to > develop a schedule and work strategically. At-large should meet the > challenge, try to change, or admit that it can't do the task and > free up > the funding to others who could likely do things far better. > > So what can be done - please, pitch in and help. Comment both on the > agenda and the proposal Veronica has for a strategic planning > session for > the meeting. > > The failure of substantive discussion & contributions - > specifically by > ALAC members - will indeed prove that the critics of the at-large > structure are correct.. > > I hate to be so blunt, i'm just frustrated. > > Please colleagues, prove my comments are wrong and that all this time, > energy, and multi-million dollar investment in At-large is indeed > constructive. > > > > regards > > > > Robert

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Schedule Posted for ICANN's 30th International Public Meeting
by Thompson, Darlene Sept. 20, 2007

Sept. 20, 2007

Frankly, this IS disturbing. At the San Juan meeting, the NARALO was specifically told that if we did not come up with a plan of what we wanted to do this year, then ICANN would have make one up of their own devising. So, to that end, we all met upstairs and came up with a plan: https://st.icann.org/naralo/index.cgi?planning_next_steps_for_na_ralo This plan, along with the budget attached, was discussed more than once over the list and forwarded widely. Staff was also informed that it was up and that they should look at it (since this Wiki seems to be the ICANN choice for information sharing). And then nothing happened. So, if they aren't approving the outreach that we wanted to do in LA, my question is: so what wild and wonderful thing DID they come up with for our region for this year since we have been told NO to almost anything we have wanted to do? Sorry, just my brain dump for the morning. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca ________________________________ From: RJGlass | America@Large [mailto:jipshida@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:52 PM To: Evan Leibovitch Cc: Thompson, Darlene; At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Schedule Posted for ICANN's 30th International Public Meeting First, I'm not surprised but I am disturbed that ICANN failed to host a NARALO meeting. Anyway, I presume we'll try to be brief yet functional on these matters. I think when you announce the idea, you should solicit input on what the ALSs want to get out of the summit. One session on opening day would be good, and one more later in the week, possibly 3 brief meetings would be better than one. aloha, RJ On 9/18/07, Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> wrote: Thompson, Darlene wrote: > I'm thinking that the sooner the better for the first one so that we can > all get on the same page and do further planning throughout. > > I'm thinking more than one session will be needed. > > Anybody else have thoughts on this? My suggestion is for at least three things: 1) Specific inclusion of a Summit status report and discussion on the ALAC meeting agenda (whenever that takes place) 2) A public meeting to introduce the concept to all ICANN constituencies (early in the week) 3) at least eight hours of planning, of which at least one has Nick (or someone else from ICANN staff) present. Some of this will probably be a small enough group that it can meet in a hotel room rather than requiring the expense of a formal meeting room. - Evan _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann .org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org -- ------------------------- AmericaAtLarge.org RJPacific.com DDMF.org

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Meeting Summary, Sept. 10, 2007
by Thompson, Darlene Sept. 14, 2007

Sept. 14, 2007

And here it is - as eagerly awaited ;) D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca

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Teleconference Recordings
by Nick Ashton-Hart Sept. 13, 2007

Sept. 13, 2007

Dear All: The recordings of the last two teleconferences are now online. Darlene, were you the one keeping the summary minutes? Or Bret? Perhaps one or the other could post them or send them along and I'll do it? -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 595 85 44 mobile: +41 (79) 595 54 68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Report from Secretariat's Meeting
by Thompson, Darlene Sept. 12, 2007

Sept. 12, 2007

Hi all, As mentioned on the telephone conf. today, we had a Secretariat's conference this evening and I was to make a couple of enquiries: 1. Question: Why doesn't the region get to select its own people coming to LA rather than ICANN dictating to them? Answer: Its actually only one person per region coming to LA. Apparently some of the regions don't have a chair or don't have a secretariat. If the region doesn't have a Secretariat, the Chair goes. If the region has both, the Secretariat goes. So, its only one person per region, mainly Secretariats, and that is how they were chosen. 2. Concern: We need to make remote participation MUCH better. Answer: This is one of Nick's pet peeves. Apparently, ICANN has been in the habit of hiring the cheapest of the cheap for sound so, you get what you pay for. Nick has been promised that, this year, they are paying for someone competent. He has been bringing this up to the "higher ups" on a frequent basis. D

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Secretariat Election
by Bret Fausett Sept. 11, 2007

Sept. 11, 2007

As decided on yesterday's telephone conference, Darlene Thompson has been elected by acclamation to serve as the NA-RALO Secretariat through the ICANN annual meeting in November, 2008. Thank you, Darlene, for agreeing to serve and for all that you are doing to help make the NA-RALO a success. -- Bret Fausett

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Multilingual Survey: ICANN Public Information: Is it what you need?
by Nick Ashton-Hart Sept. 11, 2007

Sept. 11, 2007

One of ICANN's most important jobs is to provide information on its processes. To that end, we have a series of publications, systems and websites to elicit input and comment from the Internet community. But is it enough? Are we providing sufficient information? Is it in the right format or on the right topics? Are you using the various means of interacting with ICANN? If not, why not? What can we do to improve? We have set up a quick and easy six-question online survey to find out from you what you want. It will take less than five minutes, but we will use it to help decide the future course of providing information about ICANN and its processes. So please do take a few minutes out from your day to complete the survey. We will be very grateful for all help received. The survey is in English, Spanish, French, and Brazilian Portuguese and available below: https://www.bigpulse.com/916i -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 595 85 44 mobile: +41 (79) 595 54 68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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ICANN Summit Progress Report
by Thompson, Darlene Sept. 10, 2007

Sept. 10, 2007

Hi all, Evan and I just has a conference call with Nick regarding the Summit plans so far. It's of course critical that we come up with a plan that meets the expectations of the community, as well as ICANN itself as it will be funding all the costs. As it turns out from our discussion, our goals for the Summit are remarkably similar. >From the point of view of ICANN (as expressed by Nick), the At-Large Community ultimately exists to provide the general public's point of view on relevant issues. For the Summit to be considered as a worthwhile achievement of that goal - not to mention provide value for its substantial expense -- it must actually produce policy analysis and recommendations to the rest of the ICANN community. Certainly educational and social components are vital. However, for the Summit to succeed a significant amount of education and discussion on issues must take place in advance, within the RALOs and ALSs, with final debate taking place and formal consensus recommendations being delivered at the Summit. The event's success will be judged - within ICANN itself - by its ability to provide useful recommendations and analysis regarding issues of importance, reflecting the diverse but common needs of the At-Large community. Summit delegates, in order to be funded, will be expected to have already raised relevant issues within their constituencies. We received commitments from Nick that sufficient background information will be provided in many languages, to allow such debate to start well in advance. We started with the attached ICANN Ensemble document. Nick liked many of the ideas shown there but was concerned the plan did not sufficiently commit the Summit to produce concrete policy documents. Here is what we need to do: 1. Decide which (and how many) policies we would like to work on. Obviously we don't have time to work on ALL of ICANN's policies at once. So, we need to choose between 3 to 5 of the current issues and work on them. This can be achieved by an on-line poll. (While it will be possible to start debate on long-term issues to be turned into policy at a later date, it is important to choose a number of issues on which At-Large can have an impact within the coming year.) 2. Create actual realistic milestones. We need to have dates and things accomplished by those dates to prove to ICANN that we are actually working on this stuff. When they see this, they will be much more likely to fund this venture. This will also be our opportunity to get a commitment out of them. They won't commit unless they see work getting done. 3. Only those that put the effort into doing the policy work will have the opportunity to go. ICANN will not fund those that just want travel or to socialize. Period. ICANN will, more than likely, be funding the Secretariats and Chairs to go to the LA meeting to discuss this further. They may also fund one or two others but that is it. The group will schedule at least one conference call during the LA meeting to involve anyone else who wants to participate but will not be there.

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