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RDS-WHOIS2 Review Team Plenary Call #2 13 July 2017 - 13:00 UTC
by Jean-Baptiste Deroulez Nov. 26, 2017

Nov. 26, 2017

Dear Review Team Members, In preparation for your call #02<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_…>, scheduled for Thursday, 13 July – 13:00-14:00 UTC (timezone converter here<https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=RDS%2FWHOIS2+Revi…>), please find below a suggested agenda: 1. Welcome and opening remarks (Karen Mulberry) 2. ICANN59 Recap (Jean-Baptiste Deroulez) 3. Review Team leadership structure, responsibilities (RDS-WHOIS2-RT members) 4. Plenary call schedule and topics (Karen Mulberry) 5. Consider process and how the Review Team wishes to include Observers (Karen Mulberry) 6. First face-to-face meeting: Dates & Topics (Karen Mulberry) 7. ICANN60 meeting (Karen Mulberry) 8. Board Resolution (RDS-WHOIS2-RT members) (Lisa Phifer) 9. A.O.B Attached to this email you will find slides we invite you to read. You should all have received dial-in details to join this call. If not, please contact us off list at rds-whois2-staff(a)icann.org<mailto:rds-whois2-staff@icann.org> and we will make sure to send you a copy. Please feel free to join 20 minutes early to confirm your Adobe Connect and audio connections, if you wish. We would also like to remind you with some key links for your information: * This mailing-list is being publicly archived at: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rds-whois2-rt/ * https://community.icann.org/display/WHO/RDS-WHOIS2+Review[community.icann.o…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di…> is the URL to your work space, which we have started populating with information. It will be the main repository for your documents and activities. We would like to call your attention to the Background Materials page where we have started compiling documents we would encourage you to read: https://community.icann.org/display/WHO/Background+Materials[community.ican…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di…> As always, feel free to contact us should you have any questions or concerns. Kind regards, Jean-Baptiste Deroulez

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RDS/WHOIS2-RT Comments on Scope from the email list
by Karen Mulberry July 24, 2017

July 24, 2017

As noted on today’s Plenary call attached are the comments made by RT members about scope on-list that Lisa prepared. The comments are listed in the order made, with attribution. They are also organized into general comments about scope and comments about specific points raised in the GNSO proposal. Karen Mulberry Director, Multistakeholder Strategy and Strategic Initiatives (MSSI) ICANN 12025 Waterfront Dr., Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Phone: +1 424 353 9745

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FW: [RDS-WHOIS2-Staff] FW: RDS-WHOIS2 Review Team Plenary Call #3 20 July 2017 - 11:00 UTC
by Karen Mulberry July 20, 2017

July 20, 2017

Dear Review Team Members, In anticipation of today’s plenary call, please find attached the presentation slides that will be projected in the Adobe Room. Kind regards, Jean-Baptiste From: <rds-whois2-staff-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Jean-Baptiste Deroulez <jean-baptiste.deroulez(a)icann.org> Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 10:36 PM To: RDS Staff Review List <rds-whois2-staff(a)icann.org> Subject: [RDS-WHOIS2-Staff] RDS-WHOIS2 Review Team Plenary Call #3 20 July 2017 - 11:00 UTC Dear Review Team Members, In preparation for your call #03[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di…>, scheduled for Thursday, 20 July – 11:00-12:00 UTC, please find below a suggested agenda: 1. Welcome, roll-call, SoI 2. Leadership update (RDS-WHOIS2 Interim Leaders) 3. Fact Sheet (Charla Shambley, Xavier Calvez) 4. Schedule of plenary calls (weekly vs. bi-weekly) (RDS-WHOIS2 Interim Leaders) 5. Terms of Reference: definition (Lisa Phifer) 6. Discussion on “RDS Review - Guidance for Determining Scope of Review (February 2017)” (available at https://go.icann.org/2vDiKcQ[go.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__go.icann.org_2vDiKcQ&d…> and attached) (Karen Mulberry) 7. FtoF#1 - travel logistics (Karen Mulberry) 8. A.O.B. Slides will be shared tomorrow before the plenary call. You should all have received dial-in details to join this call. If not, please contact us off list at rds-whois2-staff(a)icann.org<mailto:rds-whois2-staff@icann.org> and we will make sure to send you a copy. Please feel free to join 20 minutes early to confirm your Adobe Connect and audio connections, if you wish. We would also like to remind you with some key links for your information: * This mailing-list is being publicly archived at: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rds-whois2-rt/ * https://community.icann.org/display/WHO/RDS-WHOIS2+Review[community.icann.o…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di…> is the URL to your work space, which we have started populating with information. It will be the main repository for your documents and activities. We would like to call your attention to the Background Materials page where we have started compiling documents we would encourage you to read: https://community.icann.org/display/WHO/Background+Materials[community.ican…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di…> As always, feel free to contact us should you have any questions or concerns. Kind regards, Jean-Baptiste Deroulez

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RDS-WHOIS2 Review Team Plenary Call #3 20 July 2017 - 11:00 UTC
by Karen Mulberry July 19, 2017

July 19, 2017

Dear Review Team Members, In preparation for your call #03[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di…>, scheduled for Thursday, 20 July – 11:00-12:00 UTC, please find below a suggested agenda: 1. Welcome, roll-call, SoI 2. Leadership update (RDS-WHOIS2 Interim Leaders) 3. Fact Sheet (Charla Shambley, Xavier Calvez) 4. Schedule of plenary calls (weekly vs. bi-weekly) (RDS-WHOIS2 Interim Leaders) 5. Terms of Reference: definition (Lisa Phifer) 6. Discussion on “RDS Review - Guidance for Determining Scope of Review (February 2017)” (available at https://go.icann.org/2vDiKcQ[go.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__go.icann.org_2vDiKcQ&d…> and attached) (Karen Mulberry) 7. FtoF#1 - travel logistics (Karen Mulberry) 8. A.O.B. Slides will be shared tomorrow before the plenary call. You should all have received dial-in details to join this call. If not, please contact us off list at rds-whois2-staff(a)icann.org<mailto:rds-whois2-staff@icann.org> and we will make sure to send you a copy. Please feel free to join 20 minutes early to confirm your Adobe Connect and audio connections, if you wish. We would also like to remind you with some key links for your information: * This mailing-list is being publicly archived at: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rds-whois2-rt/ * https://community.icann.org/display/WHO/RDS-WHOIS2+Review[community.icann.o…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di…> is the URL to your work space, which we have started populating with information. It will be the main repository for your documents and activities. We would like to call your attention to the Background Materials page where we have started compiling documents we would encourage you to read: https://community.icann.org/display/WHO/Background+Materials[community.ican…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di…> As always, feel free to contact us should you have any questions or concerns. Kind regards, Jean-Baptiste Deroulez

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RDS-WHOIS2 Review Team Plenary Call #2 13 July 2017 - ACTION ITEMS
by Jean-Baptiste Deroulez July 17, 2017

July 17, 2017

Dear RDS-WHOIS2-RT members, Following today’s plenary call #02<https://community.icann.org/display/WHO/Meeting+%25232+-+13+July>, please find below the identified action items<https://community.icann.org/display/WHO/Plenary+Action+Items>: * RT agreed to interim leadership structure with Alan, Cathrin, and Susan to liaise together to determine the structure of the interim leadership. * RT discussed its Plenary call schedule and team member participation over July and August due to the summer holidays. It was determined to poll the RT members on their availability for upcoming plenary calls to decide if the schedule should be changed to every other week and or extended to 90 mins. A Doodle poll has been created to capture availability so a decision can be reached in the next coming weeks. Any modifications to the meeting schedule would be in place until the first FtoF meeting in October. See below. * RT confirmed its first Face-to-Face: October 2-3 2017. RT members will be contacted by ICANN Constituency Travel to make their arrangements and other meeting details to be sent out to Review Team by Staff Support. * RT discussed holding a formal meeting at ICANN60 and determined that an informal meeting of those who will be attending the ICANN might be a better option depending on the number of RT members who are already attending the ICANN meeting. A Doodle poll has been created to identify who on the RT will be in Abu Dhabi. See below. * Staff to circulate the ToR template, once finalized, with the review team. Therefore, you are kindly invited to confirm your availability for the upcoming plenary calls via this doodle poll: https://doodle.com/poll/s7578gdsfwc24ik3, so as your presence at ICANN60 via this doodle poll: http://doodle.com/poll/x4ufnf7xpv486a84. As requested in the chat today, please find below the links to background materials requested during Tuesday’s informal gathering of Review Team members are given below. 1. WHOIS Review Implementation Reports[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di…>, including the most recent - Executive Summary of Implementation Report[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_do…> - Detailed Implementation Report[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_do…> 2. Final Report from the Expert Working Group on Internationalized Registration Data (IRD)[whois.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__whois.icann.org_sites_d…> (2015) and ICANN BoardApproval and Next Steps for the IRD Final Report[icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resource…> 3. RDS/WHOIS Accuracy Reporting System (ARS) Project[whois.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__whois.icann.org_en_who…> website, including - ARS Phase 2[whois.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__whois.icann.org_en_who…> Reporting System Overview - The most recent WHOIS ARS Phase 2 Cycle 4 Report (June 2017)[whois.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__whois.icann.org_sites_…> - WHOIS ARS Phase 2 Cycle 3 Report Webinar Presentation[whois.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__whois.icann.org_en_fil…> 4. As referenced by the ICANN Bylaws, Section 4.6, on RDS Review[icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_syste…>, the latest OECD Guidelines on the Protection of Privacy and Transborder Flows of Personal Data[oecd.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.oecd.org_sti_iecon…> (2013) Links to these and other key documents can be found on your wiki’s Background Materials page: https://community.icann.org/display/WHO/Background+Materials[community.ican…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di…>, including general background on WHOIS/RDS and a glossary of terms; current WHOIS/RDS policies, contractual requirements, advisories, compliance materials, and related procedures; annual reports on WHOIS improvements and associated materials (such as data generated by the Accuracy Reporting System); and quarterly WHOIS Review Implementation reports. To make it easy for you to find background materials, this wiki page will be maintained with links to additional materials that the Review Team may request during this review. We look forward to another productive plenary call with you, Kind regards, Jean-Baptiste

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Re: [RDS-WHOIS2-RT] NextGen Registration Data Distribution Service
by Alan Greenberg July 12, 2017

July 12, 2017

I am less sure than Carlton that we MUST discuss this. I have no problem with discussing whether the current WHOIS protocol is fit for purpose, but it better be a pretty short discussion! If anyone has a good argument why it IS fit for purpose, it should be shared pretty quickly. The inability of a 7-bit protocol to handle today's IDN world, and the inability to handle any level of authorization/authentication/gating (which is generally understood to be necessary to allow critical information to be collected but not universally displayed in support of privacy legislation) makes the answer pretty clear. And as the charter Carlton points to indicates, this has been clear for quite some time. This is a REVIEW team. I believe it is well beyond our scope to debate whether the current protocol can be modified to meet new needs, to specify or design a replacement or to review possible replacements. And I have little interest in debating whether any new protocol should be called WHOIS (pretending it is the same), WHOIS-Mark-2, RDAP, WEIRDS, WIERDS or Betelgeuse. Alan At 05/07/2017 10:08 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote: >Dear All: >I believe this review will have to answer the question as to whether >the current WHOIS protocol is fit to purpose in a evolved DNS >environment in one or other job stream. Some may recall that the >RDAP is being proposed as a fit and proper replacement. > >You may wish for background to examine the IETF charters for Web >Extensible Internet Registration Data Service (WEIRDS) from whence came RDAP. > ><https://tools.ietf.org/wg/weirds/charters>https://tools.ietf.org/wg/weirds/charters > >Best, >-Carlton > >============================== >Carlton A Samuels >Mobile: 876-818-1799 >Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround >============================= >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Disposition: inline >X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: > >1;DM5PR03MB2714;27:B4FAKC1/EM3XOvHOPyoJ57PmCR+VxY4KD2MBdt6vWtlFgLD4tOOlcsV3foNFR93KAoIM9yzc2f7ovNf8Z27tswcz7fr1TllQNyArpqDRUCTG3fAIGxT2DaVNoDvfJnqPlCyckJle2pLGGdCKNOvr+w== >X-Microsoft-Antispam-Mailbox-Delivery: > >ex:0;auth:0;dest:I;ENG:(400001000128)(400125000095)(20160514016)(520000050)(520002050)(750028)(400001001223)(400125100095)(61617095)(400001002128)(400125200095); > >_______________________________________________ >RDS-WHOIS2-RT mailing list >RDS-WHOIS2-RT(a)icann.org >https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rds-whois2-rt

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ARS Webinar
by Karen Mulberry July 11, 2017

July 11, 2017

Dear All, There will be an ARS webinar held on 20 July. The webinar will go over the ARS report that was recently published. More info on the webinar is at https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2017-07-06-en[icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_ann…>. Members of the Review Team might be interested in attending. Thanks, Trang

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Draft agenda for RDS-WHOIS2-RT Plenary Call #2 on 13 July 2017 @ 11:00 UTC
by MSSI Secretariat July 10, 2017

July 10, 2017

Dear RDS-WHOIS2-RT, Please see below the draft agenda for RDS-WHOIS2-RT Plenary Call #2 on 13 July 2017 @ 11:00 UTC. RDS/WHOIS2-RT Plenary Call #2<https://community.icann.org/x/uWjwAw> – 13 July 1. Welcome and opening remarks (Karen Mulberry) 2. ICANN59 Recap (Jean-Baptiste Deroulez) 3. Review Team leadership structure, responsibilities (RDS-WHOIS2-RT members) 4. Plenary call schedule and topics (Karen Mulberry) 5. Consider process and how the Review Team wishes to include Observers (Karen Mulberry) 6. First face-to-face meeting: Dates & Topics (Karen Mulberry) 7. ICANN60 meeting (Karen Mulberry) 8. Board Resolution (RDS-WHOIS2-RT members) (Lisa Phifer) 9. A.O.B Please feel free to join 20 minutes early to confirm your Adobe Connect and audio connections, if you wish. This meeting wiki page can be viewed here; https://community.icann.org/x/iNjRAw With kind regards, Brenda Brewer, Projects & Operations Assistant Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives (MSSI) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) [cid:image001.png@01D2F97D.181D0930] Skype: brenda.brewer.icann Phone: 1-310-745-1107

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Re: [RDS-WHOIS2-RT] NextGen Registration Data Distribution Service
by Alan Greenberg July 6, 2017

July 6, 2017

As I said, I have no problem doing this BRIEFLY. But I will point out that the ongoing PDP has the explicit charter to (and I quote verbatim, emphasis mine) "establish gTLD registration data requirements to determine if and why a next generation RDS is needed". I believe that we have general agreement from our chartering organizations that we should not overlap with this PDP and in fact, our recommendations go to the Board which does not under the Bylaws have the authority to overrule the GNSO PDP. Alan At 06/07/2017 02:11 PM, Dmitry Belyavsky wrote: >Dear Alan, > >I totally agree with you that WHOIS almost does not fit for our >current purpose, but I also think that we can (and may be must) say >that id does not fit and has to be replaced. > >On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Alan Greenberg ><<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: >I am less sure than Carlton that we MUST discuss this. I have no >problem with discussing whether the current WHOIS protocol is fit >for purpose, but it better be a pretty short discussion! If anyone >has a good argument why it IS fit for purpose, it should be shared >pretty quickly. > >The inability of a 7-bit protocol to handle today's IDN world, and >the inability to handle any level of >authorization/authentication/gating (which is generally understood >to be necessary to allow critical information to be collected but >not universally displayed in support of privacy legislation) makes >the answer pretty clear. And as the charter Carlton points to >indicates, this has been clear for quite some time. > >This is a REVIEW team. I believe it is well beyond our scope to >debate whether the current protocol can be modified to meet new >needs, to specify or design a replacement or to review possible >replacements. And I have little interest in debating whether any new >protocol should be called WHOIS (pretending it is the same), >WHOIS-Mark-2, RDAP, WEIRDS, WIERDS or Betelgeuse. > >Alan > > > >At 05/07/2017 10:08 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote: > >>Dear All: >>I believe this review will have to answer the question as to >>whether the current WHOIS protocol is fit to purpose in a evolved >>DNS environment in one or other job stream. Some may recall that >>the RDAP is being proposed as a fit and proper replacement. >> >>You may wish for background to examine the IETF charters for Web >>Extensible Internet Registration Data Service (WEIRDS) from whence came RDAP. >> >><https://tools.ietf.org/wg/weirds/charters>https://tools.ietf.org/wg/weirds/charters >> >>Best, >>-Carlton >> >>============================== >>Carlton A Samuels >>Mobile: 876-818-1799 >>Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround >>============================= >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Content-Disposition: inline >>X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: >> >>1;DM5PR03MB2714;27:B4FAKC1/EM3XOvHOPyoJ57PmCR+VxY4KD2MBdt6vWtlFgLD4tOOlcsV3foNFR93KAoIM9yzc2f7ovNf8Z27tswcz7fr1TllQNyArpqDRUCTG3fAIGxT2DaVNoDvfJnqPlCyckJle2pLGGdCKNOvr+w== >>X-Microsoft-Antispam-Mailbox-Delivery: >> >>ex:0;auth:0;dest:I;ENG:(400001000128)(400125000095)(20160514016)(520000050)(520002050)(750028)(400001001223)(400125100095)(61617095)(400001002128)(400125200095); >> >>_______________________________________________ >>RDS-WHOIS2-RT mailing list >><mailto:RDS-WHOIS2-RT@icann.org>RDS-WHOIS2-RT(a)icann.org >>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rds-whois2-rt > >_______________________________________________ >RDS-WHOIS2-RT mailing list ><mailto:RDS-WHOIS2-RT@icann.org>RDS-WHOIS2-RT(a)icann.org >https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rds-whois2-rt > > > > >-- >SY, Dmitry Belyavsky

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INPUT NEEDED - New poll - Face-to-Face Mtg
by Jean-Baptiste Deroulez July 6, 2017

July 6, 2017

Dear Review Team Members, Thank you so much for your input on a potential face-to-face meeting in September. In light of the input received on the previous doodle poll, we have prepared a new doodle poll that includes a set of suggested dates on the weeks of August 28th and October 2nd, which hopefully will allow us identifying a date when all review team members can attend or remotely participate. Please indicate your availability and preference via https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__doodle.com_poll_mpeqhxk… by Monday, 10 July - 23:59 UTC, using the following color-code: * GREEN (green check mark) - Yes, I can attend in person * YELLOW (yellow check mark) - I can attend using remote participation * RED (unchecked) - Impossible for me to attend in person or remotely If you can attend both a two-day meeting or three-day meeting but have a preference (2 days vs. 3 days), please notify us using the doodle's comment field. We look forward to reading your input. Kind regards, Jean-Baptiste

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