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Re: [Ssr2-review] [EXT] Re: Please prepare for the plenary call on Thursday
by Barrett, Kerry-Ann Nov. 5, 2018
by Barrett, Kerry-Ann Nov. 5, 2018
Nov. 5, 2018
HI Alain
Unfortunately for me, it was difficult to follow which text was yours and which was previously written because of the text format. But I did understand your concerns from previous emails. What I think will happen is when we start to compile the final report we will be able to record what areas we think we were not able to do a sufficient review and maybe recommend follow up by the next SSR 3 (if the issue is still current/relevant). We will also be able to fine tune as well the language of our conclusions. I think we could also flag your email as a reference to ensure we addressed concerns raised below as well (which I have been following in previous and this email thread).
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From: Ssr2-review [mailto:ssr2-review-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of ALAIN AINA
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 6:02 AM
To: ICANN SSR2 <SSR2-review(a)icann.org>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [Ssr2-review] Please prepare for the plenary call on Thursday
Hello,
> On 1 Nov 2018, at 23:39, Russ Housley <housley(a)vigilsec.com> wrote:
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>> On Nov 1, 2018, at 4:36 AM, ALAIN AINA <aalain(a)trstech.net> wrote:
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>> I still think the methodology we used for the assessment of the implementation of the 28 recommendations is not very suitable. We ended the following conclusions:
>>
>> 1- most of the recommendations are vague and not measurable and sometimes not implementable
>> 2- we have not seen evidence of implementation and effect, and so the recommendation has not been fully implemented, effect can’t be measured, etc...
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>> on 1) we will have at some point, to review the board actions on the 28 recommendations and respond to certain aspects in our assessment.
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>> https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2012-10-18-en#1.e
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>> On 2) we have not agreed on all documents or evidences required for our assessment. We shall also factor in the fact that the organisation has evolved over the years. The recommendations were issued on 2012, and implemented throughout up to 2017 and we are reviewing the impact in 2017/2018.
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>> the SSR framework and the implementation of some of the recommendations have influenced the Strategic plan and Operation plan and the 5 years operating plan regularly updated, have KPIs for programs to y19 and y20 which are SSR related.
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>> Most of the impact of the implementation in my opinion are to be investigated in strategic objectives and their implementation through activities portfolio throughout the years. We shall measure the impact from the KPI and deliverable in the OP, Annual report and also how SSR inputs and influences the strategic/ operation plannings and the prioritisation of the activities and projects. Engage with Staff, board and any other affected parties or constituencies by the recommendations.
>>
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>> On the specifics.
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>> For example we claimed that definition of security in the registry agreement differs from the one published in the SSR framework, added to the ICANN glossary and supposed to be used in all materials.
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>> But, section 7.3 of the registry agreement does not define “security”, or “stability” but define what “effect on them mean or refer to"
>>
>> ======
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>> (a) For the purposes of this Agreement, an effect on “Security” shall mean
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>> (1) the unauthorized disclosure, alteration, insertion or destruction of registry data, or (2) the unauthorized access to or disclosure of information or resources on the Internet by systems operating in accordance with all applicable standards.
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>> (b) For purposes of this Agreement, an effect on “Stability” shall refer to
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>> (1) lack of compliance with applicable relevant standards that are authoritative and published by a well-established and recognized Internet standards body, such as the
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>> =======
>> So using this example to justify a breach in the implementation of the recommendation is not appropriate in my opinion.
>
> Alain:
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> The Bylaws say:
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> (iv) The SSR Review Team shall also assess the extent to which
> prior SSR Review recommendations have been implemented and the extent
> to which implementation of such recommendations has resulted in the
> intended effect.
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> I think we have done what the Bylaws require.
We are in full agreement on the task list as per the bylaws, especially on the SSR1 recommendations. I assumed it is still work in progress as you asked for comments/discussions.
>
> Some actions were taken to implement each of the recommendations. The write-up summarizes those actions.
We concluded that some recommendations were not fully implemented, while staff concluded that they were all fully implemented.
This would call for reviewing board/staff understanding of the recommendations, the implementation plan and actions taken to implement to eventually determine where the gap is.
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> We made an assessment regarding whether those actions "resulted in the intended effect.”
my main concern in this thread is about how this assessment was made. It needs a more structured approach than going through responses to some questions to staff and through some random documentation.
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> In some cases, we have follow-on recommendations.
>
> We agreed that the wording of many SSR1 recommendations were not measurable,
SSR1 like SSR2 is an “review” and i would say a ”high level review”, from which recommendations may not be directly measurable, as they affect strategic thinking/planning and operations of the organisation and/or the ecosystem.
This is my last communication of the topic and as Boban suggested, would be good to hear what the team’s thoughts are about these points.
Thanks
—Alain
> and we agreed to two things:
> 1) Include some text regarding the situation. Your words above seem like a good strawman.
> 2) When we write our recommendations, we will make sure that they are measurable.
>
> Russ
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Dear all,
Here is the template for findings and recommendations that other specific review teams have used. As discussed on the call today, if you have any objections to adopting this template, please raise these within 24 hours of this email distribution.
Best,
Jennifer
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Dear SSR2 RT members,
Please find attached the plenary call report for SSR2 meeting #49, 1 November at 14:00 UTC.
These high-level notes are designed to help SSR2 Review Team members navigate through the content of the call. They are not meant to be a substitute for the recording or transcript, which are posted on the wiki at: https://community.icann.org/x/awC8BQ. The transcript usually becomes available 5 - 7 business days after the meeting.
Best,
Jennifer
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Thanks Jen
No objection from me. Only thought is if we can agree that as we use the template if we find ways to improve it we have flexibility to raise this with the team (I think this was raised during the call if I’m not mistaken).
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From: Ssr2-review [mailto:ssr2-review-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Bryce
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:11 AM
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Subject: [EXT] [Ssr2-review] Findings & recs template
Dear all,
Here is the template for findings and recommendations that other specific review teams have used. As discussed on the call today, if you have any objections to adopting this template, please raise these within 24 hours of this email distribution.
Best,
Jennifer
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Nov. 1, 2018
Dear all, Unfortunately, I am still in a parallel meeting and cannot
participate in today's confcall. My apologies.
BR, Boban.
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Dear all,
For your info, the latest table of SSR1 questions and answers is attached and posted to the wiki on this page<https://community.icann.org/x/girwAw>.
* 3 questions require clarification from the RT, noted below.
* 7 questions have a due date for 2 November. We expect answers to these questions by the end of day tomorrow.
* 7 questions have a revised due date for week of 5 November, with latest delivery of answers to all questions by 9 November. In these cases, SMEs have asked for more time to be able to provide a complete and accurate answer to the question.
Questions that require clarification from the RT are below, asked by either Denise or Noorul.
Recommendation 4: ICANN should document and clearly define the nature of the SSR relationships it has within the ICANN Community in order to provide a single focal point for understanding the interdependencies between organizations.
Question: What accounts for the inconsistencies between the different documents on the ICANN website that describe the nature of the SSR relationships it has within the ICANN community?
Asked by: Denise, via email<https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ssr2-review/2017-August/000564.html>
Clarification requested: Could you please provide some concrete examples of discrepancies?
Recommendation 11: ICANN should finalize and implement measures of success for new gTLDs and IDN fast track that expressly relate to its SSR-related program objectives, including measurements for the effectiveness of mechanisms to mitigate domain name abuse.
Question: Within the area of recommendation 11 & 12 activities for which ICANN can be a facilitator or convener – is there more information on the steps that ICANN took over the past five years to facilitate activities that involve other entities that had primary ownership or responsibility on related activities?
Asked by: Denise during briefing<https://community.icann.org/x/jXHwAw>
Clarification requested: We’re not clear on what the question is asking.
Ops & Finance briefing
Question: There are many challenges in IDN WHOIS lookups. How do we get an accurate IDN WHOIS database for the Incident Handling process?
Asked by: Noorul as follow-up to briefing<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=64949767&preview=/…>
Clarification requested: Can you please: * Clarify what is meant by "IDN WHOIS database" and by "Incident Handling process”? * Clarify the context in which this question pertains to SSR?
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Jennifer Bryce
Senior Reviews Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: jennifer.bryce(a)icann.org
Skype: jennifer.bryce.icann
www.icann.org
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Dear SSR2 RT members,
It was good to see some of you in person last week in Barcelona - I hope your travels home or onwards were uneventful. Below, please find the agenda for tomorrow’s SSR2 plenary meeting, and the draft action items from the face-to-face meeting at ICANN63.
Agenda: Thursday 1 November at 14:00 UTC
1. Welcome, roll call, SOI updates
* Staff to provide update to team regarding the Jan/Feb 2019 face-to-face meeting
2. Work plan<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1as7wZJ215HhNSmwEhXEPTWg_8AjlU7OOtzI…> - approve the updated work plan ready to go to the Board
3. Update on SSR1 recommendations<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qUxV4L-gS5xHmC4QQPGRk81MgQuhQvsbnEU7xxe…> work to date and outstanding
4. Internal SSR - team to sign up to topics<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Eaj92r_ZbGBqO-2t3-tJv4Teqtix20Dly7C14XK…> and needed information
5. Review External SSR topics (KC working on document).
6. AOB
7. Confirm action items / decisions reached
Draft action items: 21 & 24 October 2018 SSR2 face-to-face meeting, ICANN63 Barcelona (also attached)
A record of the meeting can be found on the wiki here: https://community.icann.org/x/6Qy8BQ
Day 1 - Sunday 21 October 2018
* ACTION ITEM: Staff to update and finalize Engagement Session slides based on RT comments (COMPLETE)
* ACTION ITEM: Staff to re-circulate to list any questions requiring clarification from RT and continue to pursue answers to outstanding questions/update delivery dates as required.
* ACTION ITEM: Scott to send question regarding recommendation 15 to staff via email (COMPLETE)
* ACTION ITEM: Review Team members to complete text in Google doc for each SSR1 recommendation ahead of Wednesday 24 October meeting (COMPLETE)
* ACTION ITEM: Staff to update Wednesday 24 October meeting agenda and circulate to RT along with background materials (COMPLETE)
Day 2 – Wednesday 24 October 2018
* ACTION ITEM: Staff to provide all RT members with access to Trello and remove RT members who have resigned (COMPLETE).
* ACTION ITEM: Staff to circulate CCT briefing slides to the SSR2 RT (COMPLETE).
* ACTION ITEM: KC, Eric and any other volunteers to work on moving topics from DNS SSR topics<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KWvdcZ2g8hBxUzvzPqgzVmsT4RZ5CbIo-N2IpUU…> document to SSR2 work steam topics<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Eaj92r_ZbGBqO-2t3-tJv4Teqtix20Dly7C14XK…> document.
* ACTION ITEM: Review Team to determine next steps for work stream 4 (future challenges). Team discussed including moving relevant topics to other work streams, or shortening the list of items to address and rebranding the work steam.
* ACTION ITEM: Staff to research options for RT to book-end the ICANN64 meeting in Kobe with face-to-face meetings.
* ACTION ITEM: Staff to research options for the RT to have a face-to-face meeting in late January or February 2019, and circulate a Doodle poll to RT with options.
* ACTION ITEM: Staff to update work plan based on RT notes in the Google sheet and circulate to RT.
* ACTION ITEM: Staff to create first draft of SSR2 post-ICANN63 blog and share with leadership for initial edits.
* ACTION ITEM: Staff to send a note to the Review Team notifying them to the end of daylight savings time and impact on call time. Review Team members to advise any objections to keeping the call at 14:00 UTC by Friday 26 October EOD (COMPLETE).
Best,
Jennifer
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Jennifer Bryce
Senior Reviews Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: jennifer.bryce(a)icann.org
Skype: jennifer.bryce.icann
www.icann.org
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Oct. 24, 2018
Hello SSR2 Review Team!
This note is to advise everyone that during the Face to Face meeting today, a conversation took place regarding the upcoming time change back to Standard Time. The members in attendance agreed to keep the plenary calls at 14:00 UTC. Depending on your location in the world, this might mean Thursday plenary calls will be one hour earlier for those who recognize Standard Daylight Time.
Please advise of any objections to continuing the plenary calls at 14:00 UTC by EOB on Friday, 26 October.
Also, everyone should have calendar invites for the next plenary on Thursday, 1 November 14:00 UTC.
Thank you!
With kind regards,
Brenda
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Brenda Brewer, Projects & Operations Assistant
Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives (MSSI)
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype: brenda.brewer.icann
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Dear SSR2 RT,
The slides from the CCT presentation have been posted to the wiki briefing materials page here<https://community.icann.org/display/SSR/Briefing+Materials>. Direct links below:
* Briefing slides for SSR2: https://community.icann.org/display/SSR/Briefing+Materials?preview=/9076859…
* Background slides containing all CCT recommendations: https://community.icann.org/display/SSR/Briefing+Materials?preview=/9076859…
Best,
Jennifer
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Jennifer Bryce
Senior Reviews Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: jennifer.bryce(a)icann.org
Skype: jennifer.bryce.icann
www.icann.org
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Work items google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Eaj92r_ZbGBqO-2t3-tJv4Teqtix20Dly7C14XK…
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Jennifer Bryce
Senior Reviews Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: jennifer.bryce(a)icann.org
Skype: jennifer.bryce.icann
www.icann.org
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