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Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 30 March 2015
by Terri Agnew April 9, 2015

April 9, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 30 March 2015 at 19:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ccwg-unct-30mar15-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar>m<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar>ar<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO Annebeth Lange, .no Mirjana Tasic, .rs Laura Hutchison, .uk Grigori Saghyan, .am Jacqueline Morris, .tt Ron Sherwood, .vi GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC Maxim Alzoba, NTAG Colin O'Brien, IPC Susan Payne, IPC At-Large Cheryl Langdon-Orr ISO Jaap Akkerhuis Apologies: Joke Braeken, .eu ICANN staff: Marika Konings Mary Wong Lars Hoffmann Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 30 March 2015: Terri Agnew:Dear all, welcome to the CCWG on Use of Country/ Territory Names as TLDs on the 30th March 2015 Terri Agnew:Hi, this call will begin in 25 minutes Carlos Raul (GNSO):ok Carlos Raul (GNSO):no audio yet anyhow Carlos Raul (GNSO):thank you terri Terri Agnew:audio is ready now Grigori Saghyan:Hello! Carlos Raul (GNSO):Hello Grigori Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Everybody Carlos Raul (GNSO):Hello Maxim Carlos Raul (GNSO):Question Carlos Raul (GNSO):waht does FAITID mean? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Faoundation Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Foundation for Assistance for Internet Technologies and Infrastructure Development Carlos Raul (GNSO):ok Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):registry for .moscow / .xn--80adxhks Carlos Raul (GNSO):ok thank you Lars Hoffmann:hey everybody Carlos Raul (GNSO):hello Annebeth Lange:Hi Heather Forrest:Good morning everyone Annebeth Lange:I should say good evening, here it is 9 pm Jaap Akkerhuis:Hi All Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hi All only in AC for a while while I am also in another call... Jaap Akkerhuis:21:00 here as well Terri Agnew:Welcome Colin O'Brien Heather Forrest:I would like to say a few words about the changed structure since this follows on our last meeting Jaap Akkerhuis:Patagonia is nowehere mentioned Carlos Raul (GNSO):ok Heather Carlos Raul (GNSO):you are next Annebeth Lange:Exactly. Patagonia is not a territory in the ISO 3166 sense Heather Forrest:I won't interrupt this point so let's finish on ISo 3166 first Annebeth Lange:Patagonia is more a region Annebeth Lange:Jaap, I agree Jaap Akkerhuis:Apologies for the old hand Heather Forrest:thank you, Annebeth - glad you are happy with the approach Terri Agnew:Jacqueline Morris has joined Jaap Akkerhuis:I'kk add a definition of the ISO 3166-1 list Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):lower left - we might need to chang Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes just muted Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):e all to letter -> all two letter Jaap Akkerhuis:There are multiple ISO lists Jaap Akkerhuis:The list also is the base for IDNs Jaap Akkerhuis:It determines what is eligible to goe to the fast track process Laura Hutchison:I agree with Annebeth. The status quo is very well establ.ished. Changing this would create confusion for end users. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):countries do not use digits ... but they might use it in the future Jaap Akkerhuis:No, as longs as you follow ISO 3166, digits are not used Annebeth Lange:I agree, Heather, let us stay with the 2-letter codes for now Jaap Akkerhuis:There are also 4 letter codes in ISO 3166 (part 3) Annebeth Lange:I also agree with Laura, we should try to avoid creating confusion Terri Agnew:Ron Sherwood has joined Annebeth Lange:I agree, our mandate is for 2-letter and 3-letter codes Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Agree also specify Jacqueline Morris:Agreed. Annebeth Lange:That will at least be very controversial, Heather, to go away from the ISO 3166 list Heather Forrest:apologies - that was a bit longwinded! Heather Forrest:I agree, Annebeth, and there may be technical issues Annebeth Lange:Remember what the AGB says about c & t names. Today c & t names and the extensions thereof are not allowed as gTLDs Heather Forrest:To clarify, my point was that in this discussion we should be considering the specific question: What should we do with 2-letter codes on the ISO 3166-2 list. Heather Forrest:In this context it does not make sense to be "moving away from lists" because the very question implicates the ISO 3166-2 list Heather Forrest:As I see it there are only 3 options: Heather Forrest:1. Status quo (reserve the ISO 3166-2 codes Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Exactly Annebeth Heather Forrest:2. Remove reservation Heather Forrest:3. ISO 3166-2 is qualified - not automatially reserved but there is some framework Annebeth Lange:I agree Annebeth Lange:If we can finish our discussion on 2-letter codes first, that would be good Laura Hutchison:I think that the list is from an external source is a good thing Annebeth Lange:As Icann has said before, it is not them decided what is a country or a territory, that is UN Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):reserving 2letter code for eternity is less pain than taking TLD code back ... Annebeth Lange:I agree with Maxim Annebeth Lange:And it will give new countries established in the future the same system as the old countries have today Jaap Akkerhuis:Since ISO taes codes back, maintaining TLDs for aver means serious conflicts in future Annebeth Lange:This is also bridging the digital divied Jacqueline Morris:Maintaining the TLD for eternity or reserving the code for eternity Laura Hutchison:I would agree. The list is managed by an external body that is better placed than ICANN to decide and manage the list. I would agree with Annebeth and Maxim about protection of codes for future countries. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and old codes have their own afterlife ... like .su and .uk Jacqueline Morris:I thought it wass reserving for eternity - that allows for reuse, just as ISO does Jacqueline Morris:since they maintain the list Annebeth Lange:That is true, Jacqueline, if a 2-letter code is "retired" and taken back to ISO, it might be given to another country in the future, I think - as a ccTLD. Heather Forrest:Can anyone identify additional benefits and burdens of status quo to add to our list? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):reuse of TLD after retirement and re-birth by another country ... cound be an issue of the future Heather Forrest:Good point, Maxim - this should go on the list Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):good example Mirjana Tasic:I thing that Iso 3166 2 letter codes which has been used cannot be reused for some period of time ( I think next 50 years? Heather Forrest:Confusion may become less an issue when we have a top-level with 1000 domains Jacqueline Morris:True... Annebeth Lange:But still, it is important that users know what is a ccTLD and what is a gTLD Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):only 5 years before the next use Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):if I am not mistaken Heather Forrest:Annebeth - that line is already blurred by generic use of ccTLDs Heather Forrest:If you want to keep the line clear we have to require that ccTLDs are used only within the country or for country purposes Heather Forrest:Carlos rightfully points out .co and .nu as examples Heather Forrest:.md is another Annebeth Lange:But Jaap, the codes represent names of countries and territories. .no is understood as a representation of Norway, for example Heather Forrest:It would be interesting to do a global survey to see if users at this time differentiate ccTLDs and gTLDs Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):we might not ask for restrictions on cctlds ... limiting their ability to use ccTLD the way they want is well outside of our hands Annebeth Lange:I know that some countries decide to use their ccTLD more commercially, but still, it is the local internat community that has decided that. Carlos Raul (GNSO):Heather, i drafted a survey idea just after our meeting with the gAC Lars Hoffmann:here is a short definiton of the codes. http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/country_codes/country_codes_glossary.… Carlos Raul (GNSO):lars Carlos Raul (GNSO):put it in the text please Carlos Raul (GNSO):in the definition lists Heather Forrest:I mean not a survey sent to governments but to internet users Carlos Raul (GNSO):I never send it out Lars Hoffmann:@carlos- will do that. Heather Forrest:Carlos - I don't disagree with you Jaap Akkerhuis:I have never said that the codes were used for statistical purposes Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Could we add wodring that possible dissolution of ISO 3166 and replacement with the next standard will cause the re-design of the document in a fast manner Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):? Jaap Akkerhuis:It was in the early drafts and very quickly yanked Heather Forrest:Given that we have the status quo we have to decide what to do with the status quo - and the status quo involves the ISO list Laura Hutchison:Theoretical question but does it matter what the list was developed for? Even if it was developed for statistical use, it is a reconised shorthand that links codes to country names? Jaap Akkerhuis:You wan to refer to the alpha-2 codes in Section 9 of ISO 3166-1 Laura Hutchison:so it serves a purpose for the use to define ccTLDs Heather Forrest:I agree with Laura in terms of our discussion about what t do with status quo Heather Forrest:If we believe we need to deal with other codes not on ISO list then we have to question the reasoning Annebeth Lange:You mean, Heather, that we should stop the possibility for new countries to have their country code? Carlos Raul (GNSO):we need to leave a possibility for new codes Carlos Raul (GNSO):by all means Annebeth Lange:I agree, Heather Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I agree - we need to avoid future issues with the removal of 2letter potential TLDs Annebeth Lange:We have to deal with the ISO list Heather Forrest:Thank you Carlos - a good summary Heather Forrest:Let's continue to work on the draft Heather Forrest:capture the comments from today Heather Forrest:and keep ging Annebeth Lange:And it is up to the local internet community in each country/territory how they will use their ccTLD, That is not up to us. Heather Forrest:Thank you Lars Heather Forrest:Let's revisit the time zones Heather Forrest:Carlos - this has been good, helpful robust discussion - well led Annebeth Lange:It is OK for me, the time of today. We have to take care of those having it too early in the morning Annebeth Lange:Thank you Carlos, for leading the call. Good work! Carlos Raul (GNSO):thank you all Jaap Akkerhuis:I need to drop off, Bye! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):some of WG conduct doodle polls for the time of meeting (+-1.5 hours) Carlos Raul (GNSO):thank you jaap Carlos Raul (GNSO):very good work Lars Hoffmann:no problem cheryl. Heather Forrest:Thank you everyone! Susan Payne - Valideus:thanks Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Bye all Thank yu Annebeth Lange:THanks and goodbye Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):thanx Everybody! Lars Hoffmann:thank you - and have a good day/evening/night/morning everyone Ron Sherwood:Thank you all goodbye Mirjana Tasic:Bye Jacqueline Morris:thanks - bye Heather Forrest:Enjoy your holiday, Annebeth

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today's meeting
by Lars Hoffmann March 30, 2015

March 30, 2015

Dear all, In preparation for our meeting, please find attached the latest version of the Options paper one clean version (with comments only) and one redline version with comments received since our last call. We will aim to finalise the background section and start discussing substantial options for 2-letter codes. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars Proposed agenda, CWG on Country and Territory Names, Monday 16 March 20 UTC, http://tinyurl.com/mxjcvcm 1. Welcome 2. Confirm agreement on Section 1 3. Substantial Discussion on two-letter strings (Section 2 of Options Paper) 4. Confirmation of Next Meeting 5. AOB

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Options Paper and Agenda -
by Lars Hoffmann March 30, 2015

March 30, 2015

Dear all, As you probably noticed, no comments or edits were submitted on the mailing list. However some of the co-chairs have provided input and you can find attached a clean and redline version of our Options Paper. If possible, please try to consult them before today¹s call. In addition, please see the proposed agenda for today¹s meeting. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars Draft Agenda CWG Country and Territory Names, Monday 20 March, 19:00 UTC (other places <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Te rritory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150330T19&p1=%3A&ah=1> ) 1. Welcome 2. Presentation of updated Paper 3. Continuation of Substantial Discussion on two-letter strings (Section 2 of Options Paper) 4. Confirmation of Next Meeting 5. AOB

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Role of the ISO 3166 standard and the IETF in the delegation of TLDs
by Jaap Akkerhuis March 17, 2015

March 17, 2015

At a previous call I talked about what I remembered from the early days (the early eighties) in establishing (cc)TLDs and the relation with ISO 3166 and promised to write something up. Instead of relying on my (faulty) memory I actually read up what is published in the IETF RFCs. As said on 16 March it took some more time the expected but here it is. Enjoy, jaap There are quite some stories around about these early days but there is little documentation so in the end I decided not to add more stories from memory but do a quick scan about what is documented. I want to add a disclaimer that this is not pretending to be a complete history of how the current policy of came into existence. In the earlier days there was just the ARPA net and after the TCP/IP protocols got introduced multiple coexistent networks where possible and the internet was born. The use of the domain system instead of a fixed file was first mentioned in RFC 881 (November 1983, The Domain Names Plan and Schedule) and it also proposes the split of ARPANET and MILNET. RFC 882 and RFC 882 gives a description of an early form of DNS. An update of the implementation schedule can be found in RFC 897. A refinement of this plan is published in RFC 920 (October 1984) and defines not only the ARPA, GOV, EDU, COM, MIL, and ORG domains but also mentions that for country domains the ISO 3166 standards should be used. (It also proposes a category "Multiorganizations" which looks like the start of the INT domain). There is an implementation schedule in RFC 921. RFC 1032 (November 1987) "DOMAIN ADMINISTRATORS GUIDE" sets some policies for the way how domains should be administrated. It sets a policy for the use of ISO 3166 for country names. It is worth to note that it mentions the use of alpha-3 codes in case they collide with codes use for states by the U.S. Postal Services. As far as I know, this idea never got implemented. Actual delegations of ccTLDs have happened since 1985. It was mainly done by academic institutions. Governments where not interested in the Internet and where more interested in the OSI protocols and the X.400 and X.500 addressees (RFC 1484, 1617). Meanwhile the internet was growing, IANA got established and that led to RFC 1591 explaining the practice at that time (March 1994). Do note the date. In the seven years there has been quite some development in the way the (top level-) domains got administrated Details of this process are not publicly documented as far as I know. In the late nineties the interest into the Internet and the Domain System exploded culminating into creation of ICANN and the current policies. Some more RFCs which deal with delegations have been produced such as RFC 2606 (June 1999, Reserved Top Level DNS Names). Others deal with policies inside TLDs. As an example RFCs 1386, 1480, 1811, 1816, and 2146 talk about the structure of the .US and .GOV domains emphasizing the hierarchical character of the domain system. The hierarchical structure is also discussed RFC 2352 "A Convention For Using Legal Names as Domain Names (May 1998). The "Memorandum of Understanding Concerning the Technical Work of the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority" [MOU], RFC 2860 (June 2000), notably section 4.3 (March 2000) formally ends the role of IETF in the policy process for top level domains. There are a couple of RFCs which talk about domains, such as RFC 3071 (Reflections on the DNS, RFC 1591, and Categories of Domains, (February 2001). The reclassification of the .ARPA into the "Address and Routing Parameter Area Domain" is documented in RFC 3172 (September 2001). This domain became also the home for the IPv6 reversed domains (RFC 3152, August 2001; RFC 4159 August 2005). More recently RFC 6761 (February 2913, Reserved Top Level DNS Names). The latter one (proposed as standard) establishes an IANA registry for special TLD names which are not meant as domain names but to be used in non-dns related protocol. Whether this will indeed become standard is still to be seen. The official home of page for the ISO 3166 standard can be found at <http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/country_codes.htm>. This page has a link to the alpha-2 list of codes <https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#search/code/>. This is gives a list of all country 657 country codes of which only 249 are assigned. This link does lists also the status of the most non-assigned codes. The ISO 3166 Part 1 has multiple lists. What is general called the ISO3166 alpha-2 list (or a variation of this phrase) is actually Section 9, "List one: Alphabetical list of country names in English and their code elements". The list has various fields. If there is interest I offer to write a similar note like this one to discuss the standard and this list. jaap Notes: DDN/MILET: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Data_Network RFCs can be found at the rfc-editor site <https://www.rfc-editor.org> and are easily be found by number as in the nest URL: <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc881.txt>. [MOU] <https://www.icann.org/resources/unthemed-pages/ietf-icann-mou-2000-03-01-en…> An old talk about ISO 3166: <http://meetings.ripe.net/ripe-54/presentations/ISO_3166.pdf>

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WIPO Study on Country Names
by Lars Hoffmann March 17, 2015

March 17, 2015

Dear all, You might find this WIPO Study on Country Names an interesting contribution to our discussions. The Study can be found in all UN languages (http://www.wipo.int/meetings/en/doc_details.jsp?doc_id=233543) attached is the English version. Best wishes. Lars

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Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 16 March 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine March 17, 2015

March 17, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 16 March 2015 at 20:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ccwg-unct-16mar15-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan>m<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar>ar<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO Ron Sherwood, .vi Annebeth Lange, .no Mirjana Tasic, .rs Laura Hutchison, .uk Joke Braeken, .eu Grigori Saghyan, .am Paul Szyndler, .au Mary Uduma, .ng Jordi Iparraguirre, ccNSO Council NomCOm Appointee GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC Maxim Alzoba, NTAG Griffin Barnett, IPC Colin O’Brien, IPC Robin Gross, NCSG At-Large Cheryl Langdon-Orr ISO Jaap Akkerhuis Apologies: Susan Payne, IPC Patrick Jones ICANN staff: Marika Konings Bart Boswinkel Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 16 March 2015: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the CCWG on Use of Country/ Territory Names as TLDs on the 16th March 2015 Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Everyone Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Maxim! Annebeth Lange:Hello, this is Annebeth, tonight without a voice. I have a cold and have lost my voice completely. So my input will be in writing this time. Nathalie Peregrine:sorry to hear that Annebeth, thanks for notifying us. Carlos Raul (GNSO):Rum? Carlos Raul (GNSO):Tequila? Annebeth Lange:Tea with honey for the time being Heather Forrest:Sorry to hear that you're unwell, Annebeth. It's a rough time of year for cold/flu Annebeth Lange:I just spent 3 days at Spitzbergen, I suppose that was too cold, even for me Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):adobe audio works Nathalie Peregrine:It does indeed, please remember to mute your mics and phones when not speaking! Annebeth Lange:Nathalie, I cannot hear anyone speaking. Could you let me know when it starts, so that I know the adobe audio works here? Nathalie Peregrine:The AC audio already works Mary Uduma: Hello Goodevening All Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth, please try logging in and out of the AC room Heather Forrest:Welcome everyone, we will start very shortly Carlos Raul (GNSO):what document is this????? Nathalie Peregrine:Ron Sherwood has joined the AC room Carlos Raul (GNSO):translation and transliteration? Annebeth Lange 2:For c) there should be both short and long forms, in my view. Annebeth Lange 2:OK Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Providing URL is my preference Annebeth Lange 2:I agree Cheryl Langdon-Orr:AGree to adding 'Methodology' section here as well... soyes to PLaceholder Lars Hoffmann:very good. noted and will be added. Nathalie Peregrine:Jordi Iparraguirre has joined the call Jordi Iparraguirre:hi, apologies for being late Annebeth Lange 2:That's a very good idea, Heather. I support that. Carlos Raul (GNSO):very good idea Carlos Raul (GNSO):definitions list Carlos Raul (GNSO):and we have the GACs sutdy... Annebeth Lange 2:But it is codes representing countries and territories Carlos Raul (GNSO):exacly Carlos Raul (GNSO):Jaap is right Carlos Raul (GNSO):was wikipedia Carlos Raul (GNSO):just codes, yes Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Yes we *must* do as Jaap says... Annebeth Lange 2:THe best place to find it is on the webpage of the International Standard Organization Heather Forrest:The full standard is not available on line; one must pay ISO a rather significant sum to acquire the standard Cheryl Langdon-Orr:as one does with most Standards ;-) Carlos Raul (GNSO):we have money Carlos Raul (GNSO):we are ICANN Heather Forrest:Good point Annebeth Lange 2:Bart, I think you have the full ISO list, I mean we had it when we worked with the study group report Carlos Raul (GNSO):name in what language? Jordi Iparraguirre:I'd say ICANN already have the ISO stds that afrct our i dustry, right? Carlos Raul (GNSO):Suomi or Finnland? Carlos Raul (GNSO):not to mention the 4 names of switzerland Heather Forrest:Mirjana - would you like to comment? Carlos Raul (GNSO):she is on the list.... Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Perhaps ensuring a Reference set in out CWG doc should at leat reflect the refrences from the ccNSO Study to assist reduce this potential confusion Carlos Raul (GNSO): UN languages. That is already a lot Carlos Raul (GNSO):we have to reference that too Annebeth Lange 2:And the languate of the specific country? Carlos Raul (GNSO):norge Annebeth Lange 2:Right jaap akkerhuis:The ISO database: https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#search Carlos Raul (GNSO):Danke Carlos Raul (GNSO):the iso database recognizes Norge Carlos Raul (GNSO):suomi and svizzera. Good and smart list Mirjana Tasic:sorry I have problems with connection Carlos Raul (GNSO):thank you Jaap. In my view allnames realted to the codes should be considered restricted? or just the codes? Annebeth Lange 2:Heather, it is important to note that this group was not a cross community WG Annebeth Lange 2:The Reserved Names Group, I mean Annebeth Lange 2:Not at all, but just to remember that it not necessarily has the agreement of all communities Annebeth Lange 2:I think that is a good idea, Heather Annebeth Lange 2:Absolutely, Heather I agree on that Lars Hoffmann:of course. i'll amend, draft and get in touch Nathalie Peregrine:30th March at 1900 UTC Annebeth Lange 2:I agree with you, Carlos. I have tried with my GAC representative, but it is not easy to get them involved Lars Hoffmann:yes. Annebeth Lange 2:The GAC has written in their Singapore Communique that they should work with us, but ... Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):/i am afraid we won't be able to avoid interaction with the relevant GAC group Annebeth Lange 2:As we pointed out in Singapore, it would be very bad if we reached agreement in our WG and then GAC find another solution Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):we could invite them or visit thier meeting Mary Uduma:@Anneberth +1 Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):if we are allowed next time Lars Hoffmann:i'll make sure a note will go out to the GAC beafore each of our meetings. Carlos Raul (GNSO):yes Carlos Raul (GNSO):we should try to keep the monday meeting Annebeth Lange 2:That would have been very useful Mary Uduma:The Chair should reach out to the GAC chair again. Annebeth Lange 2:I mean exchange of progress with the GAC Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it is really important to stay in touch with GAC and to understand current and new ideas Annebeth Lange 2:Thank you, Heather, for chairing the meeting. Excellent! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):thanks everybody Carlos Raul (GNSO):thanks Mary Uduma:Thanks and bye All Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye Colin O'Brien:Nice job Heather! Mirjana Tasic:Bye Annebeth Lange 2:Bye Laura Hutchison:Thanks. Bye Grigori Saghyan:Bye Joke Braeken:thank you. bye jaap akkerhuis:Bye all Robin Gross [GNSO]:thanks, Heather and all! Bye! Jordi Iparraguirre:thank you, bye! Ron Sherwood:Thank you everyone... see you on the 30th Bye Bart Boswinkel:Bye all Heather Forrest:bye all, thank you

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Moving Forward
by Lars Hoffmann March 5, 2015

March 5, 2015

Dear all, As a follow-up to our call on Monday, please find attached the redline version of the Options Paper. Please note that: * We will use Section 1 as a confirmed and 'agreed-upon starting point', unless we receive additional edits/comments on this mailing list; * Section 2 will become the focus of our next call (Monday 16 March 20 UTC), please try to submit any edits by COB Thursday 12 March; * You are very welcome to also comment/provide feedback on any of the other sections; * All recordings and transcripts from our calls are available on the GNSO Calendar <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar> . I am looking forward to aggregating all comments and will provide a consolidated redline version prior to the next call. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars

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FW: Adobe Connect - Chat Transcript from CWG Country and Territory Names as TLDs
by Lars Hoffmann March 3, 2015

March 3, 2015

Dear all, Please find below a copy of yesterday¹s chat conversation. Best wishes, Lars On 02/03/2015 23:04, "Adobe Connect Notifications" <admin(a)adobeconnect.com> wrote: > Lars Hoffmann: Dear all, welcome to the Cross-Community Working Group >on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting on 2 March 2015 > Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):hello > Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we have adobe audio? > Nathalie Peregrine:AC audio will be connected in the next few mins > Nathalie Peregrine:AC audio connected. > Annebeth Lange:Hi everyone! > Lars Hoffmann:Hello everyone! > Ron Sherwood:Hi, All > Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Annebeth, the operator will be dialing out to >you shortly > Carlos Raul (GNSO):hello > Carlos Raul (GNSO):disclaimer> this is mi 3rd ICANN call of the day > Maxim Alzoba ( FAITID ):please test audio > Carlos Raul (GNSO):so if I say something incoherent, it might just be >incoherent... > Carlos Raul (GNSO):I can her you Lars > Carlos Raul (GNSO):Hear you > Lars Hoffmann:thanks carlos. > Maxim Alzoba ( FAITID ):will reconnect > Carlos Raul (GNSO):txs > Carlos Raul (GNSO):mic on mute now > jaap akkerhuis:Jaap here > Patrick Jones:Hi, on the call now > Laura Hutchison:HI, I've just joined the call > Laura Hutchison:I'm only listening as I'm at home and don't have a >phone! > Joke Braeken:Hello everybody. > Nathalie Peregrine:Young-eum Lee has joined the call > Young-eum Lee:Thanks for the announcement, Nathalie. > Nathalie Peregrine:My pleasure! > Nathalie Peregrine:Please all remember to mute your mics and phones >when not talking > Nathalie Peregrine:Susan Payne has joined the call > Lars Hoffmann:we will try our best to keep the monday for BA. > Laura Hutchison:Apologies - user error in posting to the list > Carlos Raul (GNSO):can you put it on the screen please? > Lars Hoffmann:carlos. the document should be up in the AC room. > Patrick Jones:Apologies, was dropped > jaap akkerhuis:I'm n the lline indeed > Carlos Raul (GNSO):thank you > Carlos Raul (GNSO):just having toruble with my external screen > Patrick Jones:My suggestions to the text were offered as >clarifications, partly to clean up the language. I tried to avoid adding >text to the pros/cons section as this is really for the group to add. >Hopefully this helps trigger some discussion > jaap akkerhuis:Bart has his hand raised for a while ... > Lars Hoffmann:noted > Patrick Jones:Here is where I added the historical background on >two-letter codes > jaap akkerhuis:There is no UN list! > Annebeth Lange:As I understood is Jon Postel used an existing list from >the International Standardization Organisation, a list that originally >was used for other purposes > Annebeth Lange:Was it radio stations? > Annebeth Lange:The sound is terrible, Jaap, impossible to hear what you >are saying > jaap akkerhuis:(Was th sound over modulated? My compter crashed just >before the call started) > Annebeth Lange:Jaap, you know a lot about this. Would it be possile for >you to write this down and send it in? > Bart Boswinkel:Yes it was:-) > Annebeth Lange:I couldn't hear you. Too much interference. > Lars Hoffmann:no problem. > jaap akkerhuis:I will write this up but it will have a disclaimer that >it is all from memory > Carlos Raul (GNSO):thank you jaap > Carlos Raul (GNSO):it is going to be very intersting > Carlos Raul (GNSO):I take your point annebeth > Young-eum Lee:I agree strongly with > Young-eum Lee:Annabeth. > Laura Hutchison:I agee with Annebeth too. > Annebeth Lange:Lars, will the chat be saved and distributed with the >transcripts? > Maxim Alzoba ( FAITID ):bye all > Carlos Raul (GNSO):txs > Young-eum Lee:Bye all > Susan Payne:thank you > Laura Hutchison:thanks. Bye all. > jaap akkerhuis:bye

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Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 02 March 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine March 2, 2015

March 2, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 02 March 2015 at 11:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ccwg-unct-02mar15-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan>m<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar>ar<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO Ron Sherwood, .vi Annebeth Lange, .no Mirjana Tasic, .rs Laura Hutchison, .uk Young-Eum Lee, .kr Joke Braeken, .eu GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC Maxim Alzoba, NTAG Griffin Barnett, IPC Susan Payne, IPC At-Large ISO Jaap Akkerhuis Apologies: ICANN staff: Marika Konings Patrick Jones Bart Boswinkel Lars Hoffman Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 02 March 2015: Lars Hoffmann: Dear all, welcome to the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting on 2 March 2015 Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): hello Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): do we have adobe audio? Nathalie Peregrine: AC audio will be connected in the next few mins Nathalie Peregrine: AC audio connected. Annebeth Lange: Hi everyone! Lars Hoffmann: Hello everyone! Ron Sherwood: Hi, All Nathalie Peregrine: Hello Annebeth, the operator will be dialing out to you shortly Carlos Raul (GNSO): hello Carlos Raul (GNSO): disclaimer> this is mi 3rd ICANN call of the day Maxim Alzoba ( FAITID ): please test audio Carlos Raul (GNSO): so if I say something incoherent, it might just be incoherent... Carlos Raul (GNSO): I can her you Lars Carlos Raul (GNSO): Hear you Lars Hoffmann: thanks carlos. Maxim Alzoba ( FAITID ): will reconnect Carlos Raul (GNSO): txs Carlos Raul (GNSO): mic on mute now jaap akkerhuis: Jaap here Patrick Jones: Hi, on the call now Laura Hutchison: HI, I've just joined the call Laura Hutchison: I'm only listening as I'm at home and don't have a phone! Joke Braeken: Hello everybody. Nathalie Peregrine: Young-eum Lee has joined the call Young-eum Lee: Thanks for the announcement, Nathalie. Nathalie Peregrine: My pleasure! Nathalie Peregrine: Please all remember to mute your mics and phones when not talking Nathalie Peregrine: Susan Payne has joined the call Lars Hoffmann: we will try our best to keep the monday for BA. Laura Hutchison: Apologies - user error in posting to the list Carlos Raul (GNSO): can you put it on the screen please? Lars Hoffmann: carlos. the document should be up in the AC room. Patrick Jones: Apologies, was dropped jaap akkerhuis: I'm n the lline indeed Carlos Raul (GNSO): thank you Carlos Raul (GNSO): just having toruble with my external screen Patrick Jones: My suggestions to the text were offered as clarifications, partly to clean up the language. I tried to avoid adding text to the pros/cons section as this is really for the group to add. Hopefully this helps trigger some discussion jaap akkerhuis: Bart has his hand raised for a while ... Lars Hoffmann: noted Patrick Jones: Here is where I added the historical background on two-letter codes jaap akkerhuis: There is no UN list! Annebeth Lange: As I understood is Jon Postel used an existing list from the International Standardization Organisation, a list that originally was used for other purposes Annebeth Lange: Was it radio stations? Annebeth Lange: The sound is terrible, Jaap, impossible to hear what you are saying jaap akkerhuis: (Was th sound over modulated? My compter crashed just before the call started) Annebeth Lange: Jaap, you know a lot about this. Would it be possile for you to write this down and send it in? Bart Boswinkel: Yes it was:-) Annebeth Lange: I couldn't hear you. Too much interference. Lars Hoffmann: no problem. jaap akkerhuis: I will write this up but it will have a disclaimer that it is all from memory Carlos Raul (GNSO): thank you jaap Carlos Raul (GNSO): it is going to be very intersting Carlos Raul (GNSO): I take your point annebeth Young-eum Lee: I agree strongly with Young-eum Lee: Annabeth. Laura Hutchison: I agee with Annebeth too. Annebeth Lange: Lars, will the chat be saved and distributed with the transcripts? Maxim Alzoba ( FAITID ): bye all Carlos Raul (GNSO): txs Young-eum Lee: Bye all Susan Payne: thank you Laura Hutchison: thanks. Bye all. jaap akkerhuis: bye

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ccNSO presentation at GAC Geographic meeting
by Bart Boswinkel March 2, 2015

March 2, 2015

Dear all, Please find included the presentation from Annebeth at the GAC panel on Geographic Names Kind regards, Bart

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FW: [Ntfy-ctn-crosscom] REMINDER: Meeting Invitation: CWG on country and territory names as TLDs - 02 March 2015 - 21:00 UTC
by Laura Hutchison March 2, 2015

March 2, 2015

Dear all, Apologies for posting during the call but I mistakenly posted to the incorrect email address earlier. My comments are on the attached. Kind regards Laura From: Laura Hutchison Sent: 02 March 2015 17:50 To: 'Terri Agnew'; ntfy-ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org Cc: gnso-secs(a)icann.org Subject: RE: [Ntfy-ctn-crosscom] REMINDER: Meeting Invitation: CWG on country and territory names as TLDs - 02 March 2015 - 21:00 UTC Dear everyone, I'm made a few suggestions/ comments on the attached strawman in advance of the call later. Kind regards, Laura Hutchison Policy Executive T: +44 (0) 1865 332242 M: +44 (0)7931 384082 E: laurah(a)nominet.org.uk<mailto:laurah@nominet.org.uk> W: www.nominet.org.uk<http://www.nominet.org.uk/> Nominet UK is a company limited by guarantee and registered in England under No. 3203859. Our registered office is Minerva House, Edmund Halley Road, Oxford Science Park, Oxford, OX4 4DQ, England. From: ntfy-ctn-crosscom-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:ntfy-ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ntfy-ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Terri Agnew Sent: 27 February 2015 15:07 To: ntfy-ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org<mailto:ntfy-ctn-crosscom@icann.org> Cc: gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: [Ntfy-ctn-crosscom] REMINDER: Meeting Invitation: CWG on country and territory names as TLDs - 02 March 2015 - 21:00 UTC Dear All, The next call for the CWG on country and territory names as TLDs is scheduled on Monday, 02 March 2015 at 21:00 UTC for 1 hour. 13:00 PST, 16:00 EST, 21:00 London, 22:00 CET, 05:00 Beijing (Tuesday), 08:00 Sydney (Tuesday), for other places see: http://tinyurl.com/oo2kwb5 ADOBE CONNECT Room : https://icann.adobeconnect.com/cwg-country/ If you require a dial-out, please email me with your preferred contact number. Let me know if you have any questions. Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ____________________________________________________________________________ Participant passcode: CTN For security reasons, the passcode will be required to join the call. ____________________________________________________________________________ Dial in numbers: Please note new Toll numbers for Japan Country Toll Numbers Freephone/ Toll Free Number ARGENTINA 0800-777-0519 AUSTRALIA ADELAIDE: 61-8-8121-4842 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA BRISBANE: 61-7-3102-0944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA CANBERRA: 61-2-6100-1944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA MELBOURNE: 61-3-9010-7713 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA PERTH: 61-8-9467-5223 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA SYDNEY: 61-2-8205-8129 1-800-657-260 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-81-113 0800-005-259 BELGIUM 32-2-400-9861 0800-3-8795 BRAZIL 55-11-3958-0779 0800-7610651 CHILE 1230-020-2863 CHINA CHINA A: 86-400-810-4789 10800-712-1670 CHINA CHINA B: 86-400-810-4789 10800-120-1670 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156474 CROATIA 080-08-06-309 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-64 800-700-177 DENMARK 45-7014-0284 8088-8324 ESTONIA 800-011-1093 FINLAND 358-9-5424-7162 0-800-9-14610 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-70-60-72 080-511-1496 GERMANY 49-69-2222-20362 0800-664-4247 GREECE 30-80-1-100-0687 00800-12-7312 HONG KONG 852-3001-3863 800-962-856 HUNGARY 36-1-700-8856 06-800-12755 INDIA BANGALORE: 91-80-61275204 INDIA MUMBAI: 91-22-61501629 INDIA INDIA A: 000-800-852-1268 INDIA INDIA B: 000-800-001-6305 INDIA INDIA C: 1800-300-00491 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3982 IRELAND 353-1-246-7646 1800-992-368 ISRAEL 1-80-9216162 ITALY MILAN: 39-02-3600-6007 800-986-383 ITALY ROME: 39-06-8751-6018 800-986-383 ITALY TORINO: 39-011-510-0118 800-986-383 JAPAN OSAKA: 81-6-7878-2631 0066-33-132439 JAPAN TOKYO: 81-3-6868-2631 0066-33-132439 LATVIA 8000-3185 LUXEMBOURG 352-27-000-1364 8002-9246 MALAYSIA 1-800-81-3065 MEXICO GUADALAJARA (JAL): 52-33-3208-7310 001-866-376-9696 MEXICO MEXICO CITY: 52-55-5062-9110 001-866-376-9696 MEXICO MONTERREY: 52-81-2482-0610 001-866-376-9696 NETHERLANDS 31-20-718-8588 0800-023-4378 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4771 0800-447-722 NORWAY 47-21-590-062 800-15157 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072065 PERU 0800-53713 PHILIPPINES 63-2-858-3716 1800-111-42453 POLAND 00-800-1212572 PORTUGAL 8008-14052 ROMANIA 40-31-630-01-79 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-0144011 SAUDI ARABIA 800-8-110087 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663 SLOVAK REPUBLIC 421-2-322-422-25 0800-002066 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-80414 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1083 00798-14800-7352 SPAIN 34-91-414-25-33 800-300-053 SWEDEN 46-8-566-19-348 0200-884-622 SWITZERLAND 41-44-580-6398 0800-120-032 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7379 00801-137-797 THAILAND 001-800-1206-66056 TURKEY 00-800-151-0516 UNITED ARAB EMIRATES 8000-35702370 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9025 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3225 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2125 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7108-6370 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1425 0808-238-6029 URUGUAY 000-413-598-3421 USA 1-517-345-9004 866-692-5726 VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-3702

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Monday's agenda and documents
by Lars Hoffmann March 2, 2015

March 2, 2015

Dear all, In preparation for Monday¹s call, please find below the proposed agenda. Also attached you will find the latest version of the Options Paper, with some clarifying amendments made by staff. I attached a clean version that the Group may want to use as Monday¹s working document; and a redline version to record what changes were made. Very best wishes, Lars Proposed Draft Agenda CWG on Country and Territory Names as TLDs, Monday 2 March 2015; 21 UTC http://tinyurl.com/oo2kwb5 <http://tinyurl.com/oo2kwb5> 1. Welcome 2. Review of ICANN Meeting and interaction with GAC 3. Substantial Discussion on two-letter strings (Section 2 of Options Paper) 4. Confirmation of Next Meeting 5. AOB

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