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Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Re-engineering the Internet
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 26, 2008

Aug. 26, 2008

Oliver and all, Anytime as a good time to bridge any gap, in this case it's late, even very late and the ALAC has not lead the charge nor does it have, or at least has not yet demonstrated that it has the expertise and widom/judgment to make reasonable, fact based decisions, especially of a technical sort. But glad to read you adding your voice, even if you are a bit mislead or under a bit of a misunderstanding, vis a vi the ALAC. Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote: > Patrick Vande Walle said: > > > This is where I think ICANN could and should be more active in fostering > > and sponsoring new research aimed at designing a new Internet, targeting > > the general public good, with no short term economic considerations. > > Granted, I do not expect ICANN to do the work of the IETF. However, I > > think > > it is not necessarily a good thing to let the engineers be in charge of > > everything, from the general vision to specifications and implementation. > > There needs to be a top level vision, a master plan of what we want the > > Internet to be in 10 years time. > > Can I also add my voice of support to this point of view? Having attended > ICANN Paris & IETF Dublin, I have realised how little cooperation there is > between those two constituencies. Worse, there is much distrust from either > side, often brought forth by individual feuds as well as misunderstanding of > issues (and of each other). > > IMHO it is time to bridge the gap, especially since challenges that lie > ahead of us are somehow far greater than anything we've had to tackle so far > and many of those challenges incorporate a mixed technical/political side to > them. I'm thinking DNS stability in the face of lots more gTLDs as well as > increased brute force hacking capability, IPv4 to IPv6 transition, Network > Neutrality, etc. > > I don't need to list them all here: the ALAC is well informed. > > O. > -- > Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond, Ph.D. > E-mail:<ocl(a)gih.com> | http://www.gih.com/ocl.html > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.ican… > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Re-engineering the Internet
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 26, 2008

Aug. 26, 2008

Patrick and all, Largely I agree with your sentiments below. But try to remember ICANN doesn't lead in any real sense, especially not in a technology sense. Nor should it at this time due to it's poor performing leadership. We have called time and time again for ICANN and the IETF to get away form the hiarcial DNS we know oh to well today and move towards a relational DNS. Those calls fell, and still fall on deaf hears. Private industry will either lead this migration our of advantage or necessity, and maybe even both. The IETF's and the IANA strong if not stubborn support of IPv6 a largely failed or failing protocol due to security and privacy considerations as well as application migration reasons, was doomed nearly from it's earliest beginnings nearly 10 years ago. But forward thinking business and technical folks that know this than, were shouted or "Hummed" down, and so we have the promotion of IPv6 such as it is and has been. Yet still failing to be very attractive even on the eve of the running out of IPv4 address space. But yet others are quietly moving forward with IPv8, and perhaps IPv9 and Dynamic DNS. Yet as you rightly indicate the "Cash Cow" of the legacy Internet becoming more and more a "Scam Cow" remains preferred. Yet I amongst others, remain undaunted and reticent that the Legacy Internet we use today is wilting on the vine as more and more governments are becoming more and more involved and willing to impose regulation that seeks to make the Legacy Internet "Safe", yet also further hampers it's appeal. Small wonder really given Phishing, Spam, and other forms of miscreant behavior becoming nearly insermountable as ICANN dragged it's feet for years to address these problems for too long in favor of "Cultural" issues. -----Original Message----- >From: Patrick Vande Walle <patrick(a)vande-walle.eu> >Sent: Aug 27, 2008 12:27 AM >To: At-Large Worldwide <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Re-engineering the Internet > > >Khaled, > >This is indeed an interesting debate to have. As we know, most of the >technology we use today was developed 25 years ago. Since then, there has >been no change to the fundamentals, but rather patches designed from the >start with backward compatibility. > >I think most people will agree that the DNS is broken beyond repair. The >changes we have seen over the years were all enhancements to the previous >standards. DNSSEC and IDNs come to mind. Both were designed to prevent >incompatibilities with older software. Punycode is ugly. We would need an >8-bit clean naming system. DNSSEC keys make zone files unreadable by a >normal human being. > >Note also that, over the last 15 years, most of the new developments in >Internet standards were developed by the industry, and not by government >funded academic research. The goal of the industry is make profits. Hence, >technical choices are mostly short or medium term and tend to perpetuate >existing economic models. >The DNS hierarchical model has been generating an interesting cash flow for >the registries and registrars (and ICANN, BTW). See for example the fact >that domain names have largely prevented Verisign from going bankrupt. >(http://www.domainpulse.com/2008/08/08/verisign-reports-68-million-loss-873-… >) > >The net result is that there is no real work done to change the fundamental >design to address new concerns. IDN ugliness and security are issues, but >so is the "one TLD, one registry" model, which prevents real competition in >the TLD space. More distributed models for naming systems, like CoDoNS >(http://www.cs.cornell.edu/people/egs/beehive/codons.php ) remain purely >academic, as there is no willingness from the industry to kill the cash >cow. > >I focused here on the DNS, but similar considerations could apply to other >parts of the Internet infrastructure, like traffic routing. > >This is where I think ICANN could and should be more active in fostering >and sponsoring new research aimed at designing a new Internet, targeting >the general public good, with no short term economic considerations. >Granted, I do not expect ICANN to do the work of the IETF. However, I think >it is not necessarily a good thing to let the engineers be in charge of >everything, from the general vision to specifications and implementation. >There needs to be a top level vision, a master plan of what we want the >Internet to be in 10 years time. From there, we could articulate work >packages and deliverables. > >This discussion is very relevant to the ALAC also. While it is good that >the ALAC provides comments on ICANN processes, it also needs to know where >it wants the Internet to go, especially in the naming and numbering area, >and articulate its positions according to its own vision. > >Patrick Vande Walle > >On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:35:52 +0200, Khaled KOUBAA <khaled.koubaa(a)gmail.com> >wrote: >> >> Re-engineering the Internet >> >> Source : http://iftf.org/node/2275 >> >> During a workshop at IFTF this week, I offered a forecast that there >> is at least a 50% probability of a fundamental re-engineering of the >> internet. Here's a bit of detail on this forecast and why I think this >> last week has been a critical turning point. >> >> Domain Name Services, DNS, like most of the Gen One Internet is a >> system built on cooperation. DNS servers have a narrow function to >> accurately translate domain names like ABC.com into numerical IP >> addresses, using an an up to date directory from other -trusted- DNS >> servers. The problem in simple terms is the length of the encryption >> key used by DNS servers to authenticate each other is short enough, >> that using modern high performance CPUs, it's possible to calculate a >> key to enable access to " poison" the DNS database on the server >> server with fraudulent routing information to misdirect any query for >> ABC.com to XXX.com. Dan Kaminsky, a 'white hat' hacker/security >> expert, has been telling Internet engineering leadership about this >> exploit for at least four years, and talking publicly, without revealing >> details, ( I heard him talk about this three years ago.) trying to >> provoke action. Finally, this last month Dan forced the issue by >> releasing the details into the wild along with short term patch using a >> longer encrypted number requiring a lot more computing power to decrypt. >> The Global Internet Engineering Security and Operations communities >> scrambled frantically, and deployed his patch in about three days, >> remaining open, vulnerable until then. Here's a video of the patch being >> deployed over several days:. Red are vulnerable domains, green are >> protected http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5WBDOwueI >> >> As we know, we are entering an era where super computing power will be >> trivially available on local multi-core processors, and on scalable >> platforms in the cloud. So it is inevitable that the current DNS patch >> will fall to superior decryption computation. So in the meantime limited >> software patches will forestall the inevitable crisis, that will occur >> when the black hat hackers have adequate computing cycles to break the >> encryption. This week most Internet routing experts agreed that we need >> a fundamentally more Secure DNS system that will withstand a massive >> assault. We may need a totally new, more powerful generation of >> software, computers, servers, routers and switches are necessary along >> with new operations regimens, and training and education for IT >> personnel. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> At-Large mailing list >> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.ican… >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > >_______________________________________________ >At-Large mailing list >At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.ican… > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827 Patrick Vande Walle wrote: > Khaled, > > This is indeed an interesting debate to have. As we know, most of the > technology we use today was developed 25 years ago. Since then, there has > been no change to the fundamentals, but rather patches designed from the > start with backward compatibility. > > I think most people will agree that the DNS is broken beyond repair. The > changes we have seen over the years were all enhancements to the previous > standards. DNSSEC and IDNs come to mind. Both were designed to prevent > incompatibilities with older software. Punycode is ugly. We would need an > 8-bit clean naming system. DNSSEC keys make zone files unreadable by a > normal human being. > > Note also that, over the last 15 years, most of the new developments in > Internet standards were developed by the industry, and not by government > funded academic research. The goal of the industry is make profits. Hence, > technical choices are mostly short or medium term and tend to perpetuate > existing economic models. > The DNS hierarchical model has been generating an interesting cash flow for > the registries and registrars (and ICANN, BTW). See for example the fact > that domain names have largely prevented Verisign from going bankrupt. > (http://www.domainpulse.com/2008/08/08/verisign-reports-68-million-loss-873-… > ) > > The net result is that there is no real work done to change the fundamental > design to address new concerns. IDN ugliness and security are issues, but > so is the "one TLD, one registry" model, which prevents real competition in > the TLD space. More distributed models for naming systems, like CoDoNS > (http://www.cs.cornell.edu/people/egs/beehive/codons.php ) remain purely > academic, as there is no willingness from the industry to kill the cash > cow. > > I focused here on the DNS, but similar considerations could apply to other > parts of the Internet infrastructure, like traffic routing. > > This is where I think ICANN could and should be more active in fostering > and sponsoring new research aimed at designing a new Internet, targeting > the general public good, with no short term economic considerations. > Granted, I do not expect ICANN to do the work of the IETF. However, I think > it is not necessarily a good thing to let the engineers be in charge of > everything, from the general vision to specifications and implementation. > There needs to be a top level vision, a master plan of what we want the > Internet to be in 10 years time. From there, we could articulate work > packages and deliverables. > > This discussion is very relevant to the ALAC also. While it is good that > the ALAC provides comments on ICANN processes, it also needs to know where > it wants the Internet to go, especially in the naming and numbering area, > and articulate its positions according to its own vision. > > Patrick Vande Walle > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:35:52 +0200, Khaled KOUBAA <khaled.koubaa(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Re-engineering the Internet > > > > Source : http://iftf.org/node/2275 > > > > During a workshop at IFTF this week, I offered a forecast that there > > is at least a 50% probability of a fundamental re-engineering of the > > internet. Here's a bit of detail on this forecast and why I think this > > last week has been a critical turning point. > > > > Domain Name Services, DNS, like most of the Gen One Internet is a > > system built on cooperation. DNS servers have a narrow function to > > accurately translate domain names like ABC.com into numerical IP > > addresses, using an an up to date directory from other -trusted- DNS > > servers. The problem in simple terms is the length of the encryption > > key used by DNS servers to authenticate each other is short enough, > > that using modern high performance CPUs, it's possible to calculate a > > key to enable access to " poison" the DNS database on the server > > server with fraudulent routing information to misdirect any query for > > ABC.com to XXX.com. Dan Kaminsky, a 'white hat' hacker/security > > expert, has been telling Internet engineering leadership about this > > exploit for at least four years, and talking publicly, without revealing > > details, ( I heard him talk about this three years ago.) trying to > > provoke action. Finally, this last month Dan forced the issue by > > releasing the details into the wild along with short term patch using a > > longer encrypted number requiring a lot more computing power to decrypt. > > The Global Internet Engineering Security and Operations communities > > scrambled frantically, and deployed his patch in about three days, > > remaining open, vulnerable until then. Here's a video of the patch being > > deployed over several days:. Red are vulnerable domains, green are > > protected http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5WBDOwueI > > > > As we know, we are entering an era where super computing power will be > > trivially available on local multi-core processors, and on scalable > > platforms in the cloud. So it is inevitable that the current DNS patch > > will fall to superior decryption computation. So in the meantime limited > > software patches will forestall the inevitable crisis, that will occur > > when the black hat hackers have adequate computing cycles to break the > > encryption. This week most Internet routing experts agreed that we need > > a fundamentally more Secure DNS system that will withstand a massive > > assault. We may need a totally new, more powerful generation of > > software, computers, servers, routers and switches are necessary along > > with new operations regimens, and training and education for IT > > personnel. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > At-Large mailing list > > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.ican… > > > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.ican… > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [WHOIS-WG] FW: Report of the WHOIS Study Hypothesis Group attached
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 26, 2008

Aug. 26, 2008

Nick and all, Thank you for the study. Seems that the paranoia regarding proxy registrations remains strong. Seems also that the study doesn't provide any definitive information to justify such paranoia. Ergo, I can only conclude that this study takes the WHOIS problems very little closer to a viable or fact based resolution. Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: > Dear Working Group Members and At-Large Community Members: > > Attached please find the report of the WHOIS Study Hypothesis Group to > the GNSO Council as requested by the Council in its resolution of 26 > June 2008. > > -- > > Regards, > > Nick Ashton-Hart > Director for At-Large > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 > USA DD: +1 (310) 578-8637 > Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 > Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 > email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org > Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / > Skype: nashtonhart > Online Bio:https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > WHOIS-WG mailing list > WHOIS-WG(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/whois-wg_atlarge-lists.ican… > > WHOIS WG Wiki: https://st.icann.org/gnso-liaison/index.cgi?whois_policy > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Nominating Committee delegate for North America
by Alan Greenberg Aug. 25, 2008

Aug. 25, 2008

A public solicitation to the NA-Discuss list was made asking for nominations for the person to be the NA delegate to the Nominating Committee (which will chose next year's appointees to the Board, GNSO, ccNSO and ALAC). Currently, the NA delegate is Ross Rader, who is eligible to serve one more term. Only one public nomination was received, and that was to reappoint Ross. In parallel with the solicitation, discussions among the NA members of ALAC, and NARALO Chair and Secretariat, resulted in two nominations, specifically Ross and Dharma Dailey. Neither the ALAC members nor RALO representatives could come to consensus, and so both names are being submitted to the ALAC for their vote. Alan Greenberg, on behalf of Beau Brendler and Robert Guerra

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Cybersecurity lacking in Africa, beware!
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 25, 2008

Aug. 25, 2008

All, It seems that many of us were correct in recognizing that the approval of some African ccTLD's, by the ICANN Bod was likely, if not certainly, premature, if not a departure in good judgment. Too late however, the damage is now done. Next thing to do is to determine how ICANN, the responsible party largely, can facilitate providing for African countries so that users around the globe are not unwittingly damaged unnecessarily. Such work would go a long way in reducing Phishing scams, and other security related miscreant behaviors, which seem to be ever increasing out of Africa. See: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082508-cybersecurity-lacking-in-afric… Africa will not realize the benefits of IT without improvements in cybersecurity, the secretary general of the Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa (COMESA) said today. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Election for NARALO ALAC Representative
by At-Large Staff Aug. 25, 2008

Aug. 25, 2008

Dear all, We recently sent out an email to the global list with a summary of the regional provisions governing the ALAC elections and a proposed timeline for the regional elections . This email is to provide you a detailed overview of the situation in North America and assist you with the organization of the elections. There will be one NARALO ALAC representative up for election this year as Beau Brendler¹s term ends at the close of the Cairo meeting. Please note that Alan Greenberg¹s term also expires at the close of the Cairo meeting. His seat will be filled by a NomCom appointment which will be announced in September. Beau Brendler has been nominated for a second term in an email sent by Robert Guerra on June 7th. Evan Leibovitch then sent an email to the list where he suggested having an election during the NARALO July meeting. According to the summary minutes, there has not yet been an ALAC election. With regards to the election process, the NARALO Operating Principles state that the length of the nomination period shall be 30 days and the start of nomination period shall be on or before 1 July (OP 11). The election date shall be "sufficiently in advance of ICANN's annual meeting" (OP 11). North America is one of the regions that have adopted detailed Rules of Procedure for meetings. Provisions for elections and voting during meetings can be found under: https://st.icann.org/naralo/index.cgi?ralo_organizing_documents <https://st.icann.org/naralo/index.cgi?ralo_organizing_documents It is up to the region to decide if it wishes to treat the election as if it were a meeting. Alternatively, NARALO can decide to adopt the following election process that has been suggested to the regional organizations without specified provisions : * The regional Secretariat will make a call for election no later than seven weeks before the start of the annual ICANN meeting (14 September 2008) * Nominations shall be accepted for two weeks after the Secretariat calls for nominations (until 28 September 2008) * The nominees need to accept their nomination no later than seven days after the nomination period ends (05 October 2008) * The election shall begin no later than one week after the end of the acceptance deadline (12 October 2008) and end not later than two weeks before the start of the annual ICANN meeting. (19 October 2008). In other words, votes would actually be cast between 12 to 19 October 2008. The votes would be cast via an electronic voting system (www.bigpulse.com) To facilitate this election, we ask the NARALO Secretariat to send us a note on the election procedures the region would like to adopt. Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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[Fwd: Beware: Afilias.net and Afilias-nst.org DNS miss configured]
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 25, 2008

Aug. 25, 2008

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Beware: Afilias.net and Afilias-nst.org DNS miss configured Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:25:44 -0700 From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com> Organization: IDNS and Spokesman for INEGroup To: abuse(a)afilias.net,ICANN registry comments <registryservice(a)icann.org>,Ga <ga(a)gnso.icann.org>, DHS security alert <soc(a)us-cert.gov> CC: "ICANN Admin supp. Manager Karen Lettner" <karen.lettner(a)icann.org>,icann board <icann-board(a)icann.org>,icann legal <jeffrey(a)icann.org>,ICANN Policy staff <policy-staff(a)icann.org>,GAC Rep <ssene(a)ntia.doc.gov>, DHS Julie Myers <Julie.myers(a)dhs.gov> To whom it may and should concern, It has recently come to my attention that Afilias.net, and afilias-nst.org an ICANN Registry, DNS is grossly miss configured. Such would seem to be in conflict with ICANN's RAA contractual obligations and represents a clear and significant danger to any and all users, including current registrants accordingly. See: http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=afilias.net&token=061… http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=afilias-nst.org&token… Please take the appropriate and immediate necessary action accordingly. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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DNS attacks are still happening
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 25, 2008

Aug. 25, 2008

All, More reports of the continuing DNS security hole(s). Seems that some have yet to either get the word, don't know what to do, or are ignoring the problem and exposing unsuspecting users to significant danger, ALAC members included. A sad commentary indeed! They are: GOV.NU.CA, hovtek.com.au, consumer.org, and nicir.ir. See: http://ct.cnet-ssa.cnet.com/clicks?t=70870092-5ed3f1e446c2116264b971bf1b23a… >Security Bites podcast http://ct.cnet-ssa.cnet.com/clicks?t=70870093-5ed3f1e446c2116264b971bf1b23a… >Defense in Depth blog http://ct.cnet-ssa.cnet.com/clicks?t=70870094-5ed3f1e446c2116264b971bf1b23a… >CNET News security blog http://ct.cnet-ssa.cnet.com/clicks?t=70870095-5ed3f1e446c2116264b971bf1b23a… Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Position on the NomCom representing the NA region
by Alan Greenberg Aug. 25, 2008

Aug. 25, 2008

Evan is busy at the moment, and he asked me to send this message on his behalf. We have just recently learned that the ALAC must select its five people to sit on next year's Nominating Committee by September 1st. The 2009 NomCom will select three members of the ICANN Board of Directors, three ALAC members, two GNSO Councillors and one ccNSO Councillor. The process is that the three ALAC members from North America must identify their candidate by August 25th, to allow for the required 7 day voting period within the ALAC. Normally this vote simply ratifies the candidate identified by the three NA committee members. Presumably if the three of us (Robert, Beau and I) cannot agree, the ALAC would have to make the decision for us (but I don't believe this has happened before). We are soliciting suggestions for this position. Only people who are willing to serve should be named. The person will be expected to participate actively in all NomCom activities including the solicitation and evaluation of candidates. ICANN pays travel costs to NomCom meetings, but not to ICANN meetings. If the two are held at the same location and time, travel costs are covered, but it is unclear whether or not living costs for the entire ICANN meeting are covered. Desirable qualities include: - Knowledge of ICANN and its various organizations - Broad range of contacts to help solicit applications to the NomCom - Understanding of the needs of ALAC and the broader user community - Willingness to put the required time and effort into the process Since the time is short, we can only entertain suggestion made within the next few days. We will try to put a firm date to this shortly. Alan

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] More than half of the ALAC will be encouraged toresign
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 24, 2008

Aug. 24, 2008

Jacque and all, One of the many problems with the ALAC has been a nearly complete knowledge base or awareness of significant issues. The fact that the Atlarge/ALAC announce list is so inaccurate should be not at all surprising, and certainly is not to me, or any of our members. "Jacqueline A. Morris" wrote: > Hmm > I am not seeing it on the Announce archives > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/alac-announce_atlarge-lists.icann.… > at all. > and I didn't get it in my email either. Can you narrow down the date, or > can you or someone who did receive it email it to me offlist? > Thanks > Jacqueline > > Danny Younger wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > A few days ago ICANN Staff posted a document on the At-Large Announce list entitled, "Perfomance overview ALAC and Liaisons final.pdf" which details the abysmal degree of ALAC member participation. Under the terms of the ALAC Internal Rules of Procedure committee members are required to > > > > (1) cast a vote (including abstention) in at least 3/4 of ALS accreditations > > (2) Participate in at least 2/3 of the ALAC conference calls in any 6 month period > > (3) Attend at least one physical ICANN meeting in any 9 month period > > > > The rules (20.10) stipulate that in case of failure to meet the requirements, the Chair will privately encourage the member to resign, and if that doesn't happen within 14 days that other measures leading to a recall may be taken. > > > > As anticipated, more than half of the ALAC have not achieved their participatory requirements -- in total eight members plus one liaison are in formal default of their very minimal obligations. > > > > I'm looking forward to seeing these rules enforced by the ALAC Chair. It's long past time to get rid of the dead wood. > > > > > > > > P.S. The Staff document is attached to their letter on the Global ALAC election process -- you may read it here: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/alac-announce_atlarge-lists.icann.… > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.ican… > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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