October 2018 - Ccwg-auctionproceeds

Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] IMPORTANT: INFORMATION CONCERNING THE RESERVE FUND
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 26, 2018

Oct. 26, 2018

Sorry for the delay in sending this, but the last days of the ICANN meeting were rather hectic. To be clear, the ALAC position (supported by 11 members with 1 objection and three members not voting) was to support use of the Auction Proceeds to replenish the reserve. The ALAC did qualify that with a caveate to use no more than 25% of available auction funds in this way. So if the .web funds are excluded, the Board action was in excess of the that specified by the ALAC statement, and if .web is factored in, it was well below. Alan At 24/10/2018 05:34 PM, Marilyn Cade wrote: Let me provide a different voice here. First, as disclosure, the BC, where I am a member, supported the possibility of using some of the Auction Funds for replenishing the Reserve Fund. And, I was a co drafter and proponent of that BC position. That information is public as I am shown as a co drafter of the BC positions. We were not alone in supporting that possibility, so it is not fair to say that none of the community supported that use of some of the auction funds. BUT only approx. /roughly just under 50% will come from the Auction Funds, and the rest [close to the same amount] from ICANN org budget... Secondly, I am not sure why anyone would propose using funds that are related to a lawsuit. Any attorney worth his/her degree and any business executive would fall over laughing about the legal issues... However, I think the reference was to the funds reserved for other litigation about new gTLDs, Judith, not the .web funds. But Daniel can offer his own clarification. Ultimately, all of us care most about the stability of the organization and while we may have small differences in some areas,. ,and larger differences in others, first and foremost, the world is dependent not on how many grants we make, but on the stability of the organization. For now, that means a reserve fund which is about the entire organization. I prefer to go back to work and quickly advance the public comments about the "models" and then try to advance toward an implementation process/develoment. I don't mean this to sound as negative as it may sound -- but if we get diverted away from our own work, we will deny the benefit of the $100M which can do a lot of good, once we get a mechanism and then an implementation program in place. I suspect that a lot of good can be done with $100M, and we haven't even shown that we know how to manage that level of available funds. And if the .web funds become available that is another $130M+. This is only my view. And I hope you will not think that I am looking for a debate. I am not. I will listen, but my purpose in posting was merely to note that if all of us read all the submissions on replenishment of the Reserve Fund and follow the Budget comments, there has been support for tapping some of the Auction Funds, as well as some who objected. I personally respect that the Board is taking this step and at this time. Marilyn Cade ________________________________ From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Judith Hellerstein <judith(a)jhellerstein.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 4:22 PM To: ccwg-auctionproceeds(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] IMPORTANT: INFORMATION CONCERNING THE RESERVE FUND HI Erika, Yes. Like Daniel and Elliott, I do not understand why they cannot use some of the money that was set aside from the .web auction to refill the coffers. If the line was that we are just replenishing what was lost during the IANA Transition than why not take if from the .web money that was set aside. If for some reason they may find that they need all that money than possibly that could be revisited. I also am interested in learning an answer to Daniel's question Best, Judith Hellerstein _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 E-mail: Judith(a)jhellerstein.com<mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com> Website: www.jhellerstein.com<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhelle…> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linked…> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 10/24/2018 3:52 PM, Elliot Noss wrote: I find myself terribly angry about this. It makes no sense both because of Daniel’s comment below and because there are other ways towards this. I don’t know that that matters. EN On Oct 24, 2018, at 6:32 PM, Daniel Dardailler <danield(a)w3.org<mailto:danield@w3.org>> wrote: If the board decides to take funding off the Auction benefits pot, that's their right (and maybe obligation I gather) but I think they should at least explain why the ~100M set aside for potential legal costs wrt new gTLD was not used instead. >From the beginning the Auction benefits were labelled as "not for ICANN budget" and replenishing a reserve is clearly a budgetary action, so I'm interested in understanding which constraints on the 100M legal provision mentioned above has been evaluated as stronger that something as clear as the "not for ICANN budget" attached to the Auctions. I'm not trying to revert this ICANN's board decision, I just want to be able to explain the decision made to outsiders. Thanks. On 2018-10-24 13:20, Erika Mann wrote: *Dear CCWG AP colleagues - * *Cherine Chalaby asked for a meeting this morning, October 24, to inform me as CCWG AP Co-Chair about a resolution the Board will pass tomorrow morning, October 25, concerning the replenishment of the Reserve Fund. Maarten Botterman attended the meeting and Chris Disspain was present for a short period at the beginning of the meeting.* *To replenish the Reserve Fund, the Board resolution will request a contribution from ICANN ORG on an annual basis (8 years), total $32 Million, and an immediate contribution from Auction Proceed, total $36 Million. These two amounts seen together would replenish the Reserve Fund (in 8 years) to the agreed height. * *Cherine was interested in informing us ahead of the decision and I mentioned, that we were expecting such a move and, as far as this is concerned, we're not surprised to see the Board passing this resolution tomorrow and that we do appreciate his approach in informing us ahead of passing the resolution. * Reminder:* The* '*Document for Public comment – Replenishment Strategy for the ICANN Reserve Fund' (open date, March 6th, 2018/closed April 25th, 2018) mentioned the following about the replenishment of the fund in relation to the topics mentioned above: * * https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/proposed-reserve-fund-replenish…<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann…> < https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/proposed-reserve-fund-replenish… >* *§ Contribution from ICANN Org: Future adopted budgets could be made to provide a contribution to the Reserve Fund on an annual basis. This would require ICANN Org to plan each fiscal year for expenses to be lower than funding by an amount explicitly designated for the purpose of replenishing the Reserve Fund. Given ICANN’s funding constraints, contributions from ICANN org to the Reserve Fund replenishment result from a reduced allocation of ICANN’s resources to its on-going activities, in order to produce a surplus that is allocated to the Reserve Fund. Such allocation is and needs to continue being the subject of community engagement and input. * *§ Auction Proceeds: ICANN currently has US$ 104 million collected from auctions that were held as the mechanism of last resort to resolve string contention in the new gTLD program (including investment returns). This amount excludes US$ 132 million relating to the auction of the .WEB string net of auction fees * *Kind regards, * *Erika * *Barcelona, October 24, 2018* _______________________________________________ Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list Ccwg-auctionproceeds(a)icann.org<mailto:Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds _______________________________________________ Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list Ccwg-auctionproceeds(a)icann.org<mailto:Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds _______________________________________________ Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list Ccwg-auctionproceeds(a)icann.org<mailto:Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds _______________________________________________ Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list Ccwg-auctionproceeds(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds

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IMPORTANT: INFORMATION CONCERNING THE RESERVE FUND
by Erika Mann Oct. 24, 2018

Oct. 24, 2018

*Dear CCWG AP colleagues - * *Cherine Chalaby asked for a meeting this morning, October 24, to inform me as CCWG AP Co-Chair about a resolution the Board will pass tomorrow morning, October 25, concerning the replenishment of the Reserve Fund. Maarten Botterman attended the meeting and Chris Disspain was present for a short period at the beginning of the meeting.* *To replenish the Reserve Fund, the Board resolution will request a contribution from ICANN ORG on an annual basis (8 years), total $32 Million, and an immediate contribution from Auction Proceed, total $36 Million. These two amounts seen together would replenish the Reserve Fund (in 8 years) to the agreed height. * *Cherine was interested in informing us ahead of the decision and I mentioned, that we were expecting such a move and, as far as this is concerned, we're not surprised to see the Board passing this resolution tomorrow and that we do appreciate his approach in informing us ahead of passing the resolution. * Reminder:* The* '*Document for Public comment – Replenishment Strategy for the ICANN Reserve Fund' (open date, March 6th, 2018/closed April 25th, 2018) mentioned the following about the replenishment of the fund in relation to the topics mentioned above: * *https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/proposed-reserve-fund-replenishment-strategy-06mar18-en.pdf <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/proposed-reserve-fund-replenish…>* *§ Contribution from ICANN Org: Future adopted budgets could be made to provide a contribution to the Reserve Fund on an annual basis. This would require ICANN Org to plan each fiscal year for expenses to be lower than funding by an amount explicitly designated for the purpose of replenishing the Reserve Fund. Given ICANN’s funding constraints, contributions from ICANN org to the Reserve Fund replenishment result from a reduced allocation of ICANN’s resources to its on-going activities, in order to produce a surplus that is allocated to the Reserve Fund. Such allocation is and needs to continue being the subject of community engagement and input. * *§ Auction Proceeds: ICANN currently has US$ 104 million collected from auctions that were held as the mechanism of last resort to resolve string contention in the new gTLD program (including investment returns). This amount excludes US$ 132 million relating to the auction of the .WEB string net of auction fees * *Kind regards, * *Erika * *Barcelona, October 24, 2018*

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My initial comments
by Robert Guerra Oct. 24, 2018

Oct. 24, 2018

Erika, Thanks for informing us of the meet you had with the icann chair and details of the board resolution . as a newcomer to this CCWG, a long time participant at ICANN and a background in working with donors to support and promote internet related projects related to security and policy development I see this action as an important precedent. It sends a signal that if it that if we can’t get things moving quicker - in a timely fashion that is consistent with ICANN’s mission, in a way that follows legal frameworks for US entities, and addressing real needs , then the funding might be spent for us. That’s a real concern that should not be underestimated While I recognize a lot of important work and discussions have been undertaken by this ccwg, we have also taken a period of time that is far too long given the great needs that exist to maintain a stable, secure and interoperable internet I look forward to meeting some of you in Barcelona, hopefully at the gala tonight as well working with you virtually in the coming weeks. Regards Robert

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Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Fwd: [CORRESPONDENCE] Request for input from ICANN Board - CCWG-AP
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 22, 2018

Oct. 22, 2018

At 07/10/2018 11:00 AM, John R. Levine wrote: >>BUT, For later discussion : am not sure what Bd thinks it is saying >>re whether or what funding an SO/AC community can apply. NONE of >>the SO/AC/constituencies are legally affiliated w ICANN. > >I believe the question is whether the SO or AC itself could ask for >money, e.g., the SSAC asks for money to study some security issue or the GNSO >asks for money for some study about perceptions of new TLDs. > >I don't think anyone considers the members of an SO or AC to be >inherently conflicted. > >R's, >John Correct. An AC, SO or SO Council is a creature of the ICANN Bylaws and if it were to apply, it is really ICANN applying. But and ALS for the ALAC or member of the GNSO (through one of its constituent parts), or a ccTLD, could apply. Alan

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New gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Meeting at ICANN63
by Marika Konings Oct. 21, 2018

Oct. 21, 2018

Dear All, Please find attached the proposed slides for the new gTLD Auction Proceeds Cross-Community Working Group session which will take place tomorrow, Monday 22 October from 13.30 – 15.00 local time in room 115 (see https://63.schedule.icann.org/meetings/901647 for further details). The meeting is expected to focus on the presentation of the Initial Report to the broader community and allow for clarifying any issues and/or input. Best regards, Marika Marika Konings Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: marika.konings(a)icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__learn.icann.org_courses…> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_sites_gn…>.

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Fwd: [CORRESPONDENCE] Request for input from ICANN Board - CCWG-AP
by Erika Mann Oct. 8, 2018

Oct. 8, 2018

*Dear All -I'm forwarding you a reply from the Board concerning a question we asked a while ago. The question we asked was the following "What is the Boards perspective on whether ICANN the organization or a constituent part thereof, such as an SO or AC, can be an applicant under any circumstances." The letter brings up some new ideas (project evaluation panel), limits some options of SOs/ACs for potential applications and in 1. b. the Board points out that ICANN would not be required to apply for proceeds (in case there's a need) but would have a "fiduciary obligation to use the funds to meet the organization's obligations". We have to publish our draft report on October 8th, insofar we have no time to discuss this letter and its implications.I therefore recommend the following approach: We add a sentence to the Initial Report under the relevant charter question that says something like “the CCWG received this input (include link) from the ICANN Board in relation to this charter question but has not had time to review or discuss this input. It will do so in conjunction with other input received in response to the public comment period. And, we will annex the letter and/or include it in a footnote. Kind regards,Erika* What if we just ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wendy Profit <wendy.profit(a)icann.org> Date: Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 6:45 PM Subject: [CORRESPONDENCE] Request for input from ICANN Board - CCWG-AP To: "erika(a)erikamann.com" <erika(a)erikamann.com>, 喬敬 <chiao(a)brandma.co> Cc: Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman(a)board.icann.org>, Becky Burr < becky.burr(a)board.icann.org>, Correspondence <Correspondence(a)icann.org>, Secretary <secretary(a)icann.org>, Board Ops Team <board-ops-team(a)icann.org> Dear Erika Mann and Ching Chiao, Please find the attached letter from Maarten Botterman and Becky Burr in response to the request for input from the Cross-Community Working Group on New gTLD Auction Proceeds (CCWG-AP). You may expect the letter to be posted shortly to the ICANN Correspondence page: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence Thank you and best regards, Wendy Profit ICANN – Senior Manager, Board Operations 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094

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ICANN63: GNSO Sessions How to Get Organized and Remote Participation Details
by Julie Bisland Oct. 8, 2018

Oct. 8, 2018

Dear all, The one-stop wiki page for all your Remote Participation queries is now available. This wiki page covers remote participation details for all GNSO open and public meetings. In addition to this, ICANN meetings' team has put together an updated ICANN meeting website which allows you to download all GNSO-related meetings to your inbox calendar in one go. 2 LINKS TO BOOKMARK NOW: ICANN63 Meeting Schedule<https://63.schedule.icann.org/> GNSO Remote Participation Wiki Page<https://community.icann.org/x/nxVpBQ> Step 1 - Create a profile and your personalized ICANN63 schedule Go to the Meeting Schedule webpage and create a profile and login. Every session on the schedule can be selected and added to your individual schedule by clicking the Add box to the bottom right of each meeting, this adds it to your individual schedule which you can then email to yourself or add to your calendar. See next step. Step 2 - There are two ways to import your schedule into Outlook: once you've added all your chosen meetings to "My Schedule" go to Export. 1. Importing creates a one-time snapshot of your schedule and copies it into Outlook. If you subsequently make changes to your Pathable calendar, they will not be reflected in Outlook. 2. Subscribing creates a live feed of your schedule in Outlook. Outlook checks for changes every few hours and updates your calendar appropriately. * For Outlook calendars: http://support.pathable.com/knowledgebase/articles/81449-moving-your-schedu…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__support.pathable.com_kn…> * For Google calendars: http://support.pathable.com/knowledgebase/articles/1313-moving-your-schedul…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__support.pathable.com_kn…> Step 3 All Adobe Connect rooms (which can be found on the session information on the ICANN63 Meeting Schedule<https://63.schedule.icann.org/> and on the <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_…> GNSO Remote Participation Wiki Page<https://community.icann.org/x/nxVpBQ>) will provide audio streaming only, Adobe Connect room microphones will not be enabled. If you cannot join an Adobe Connect room for a session, and will need to dial in with your phone, please refer to the <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_…> GNSO Remote Participation Wiki Page<https://community.icann.org/x/nxVpBQ> for the audio pass codes and dial in numbers. Please also follow the previous steps if you wish to take part in the session over the phone. Step 4 Please download the mobile app by searching for "ICANN63" in your app stores. Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew will be onsite in Barcelona to assist you directly. For all GNSO meeting related queries (RP or others), please email us at: gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> and we will be more than happy to assist! Kind regards, GNSO SO/AC Support team Julie Bisland Secretariat Operations Coordinator for the GNSO Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: julie.bisland(a)icann.org<mailto:julie.bisland@icann.org> Skype ID: 79613b691cb8a6c1 Find out more about the GNSO by visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages<https://gnso.icann.org/sites/gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/presentations/policy…>

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Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Fwd: [CORRESPONDENCE] Request for input from ICANN Board - CCWG-AP
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 6, 2018

Oct. 6, 2018

ok with me. Alan At 06/10/2018 10:51 AM, Erika Mann wrote: >>Dear All - >> >>I'm forwarding you a reply from the Board >>concerning a question we asked a while ago. The >>question we asked was the following "What is >>the Boards perspective on whether ICANN the >>organization or a constituent part thereof, >>such as an SO or AC, can be an applicant under any circumstances." >> >>The letter brings up some new ideas (project >>evaluation panel), limits some options of >>SOs/ACs for potential applications and in 1. b. >>the Board points out that ICANN would not be >>required to apply for proceeds (in case there's >>a need) but would have a "fiduciary obligation >>to use the funds to meet the organization's obligations". >> >>We have to publish our draft report on October >>8th, insofar we have no time to discuss this letter and its implications. >> >>I therefore recommend the following approach: >> >>We add a sentence to the Initial Report under >>the relevant charter question that says >>something like âthe CCWG received this input >>(include link) from the ICANN Board in relation >>to this charter question but has not had time >>to review or discuss this input. It will do so >>in conjunction with other input received in >>response to the public comment period. And, we >>will annex the letter and/or include it in a footnote. >> >>Kind regards, >>Erika > > >What if we just > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Wendy Profit <<mailto:wendy.profit@icann.org>wendy.profit(a)icann.org> >Date: Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 6:45 PM >Subject: [CORRESPONDENCE] Request for input from ICANN Board - CCWG-AP >To: >"<mailto:erika@erikamann.com>erika(a)erikamann.com" > <<mailto:erika@erikamann.com>erika(a)erikamann.com>, >å¬æ¬ <<mailto:chiao@brandma.co>chiao(a)brandma.co> >Cc: Maarten Botterman ><<mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org>maarten.botterman(a)board.icann.org>, >Becky Burr ><<mailto:becky.burr@board.icann.org>becky.burr(a)board.icann.org>, >Correspondence ><<mailto:Correspondence@icann.org>Correspondence(a)icann.org>, >Secretary ><<mailto:secretary@icann.org>secretary(a)icann.org>, >Board Ops Team <<mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>board-ops-team(a)icann.org> > > >Dear Erika Mann and Ching Chiao, > > > >Please find the attached letter from Maarten >Botterman and Becky Burr in response to the >request for input from the Cross-Community >Working Group on New gTLD Auction Proceeds (CCWG-AP). > > > >You may expect the letter to be posted shortly >to the ICANN Correspondence page: ><https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence>https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence > > > >Thank you and best regards, > > > >Wendy Profit > >ICANN Sennior Manager, Board Operations > >12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 > >Los Angeles, CA 90094 > > > > > >Content-Type: application/pdf; > name="2018-10-05 Becky Burr and Maarten > Botterman to Erika Mann and Ching Chiao CCWG-AP.pdf" >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="2018-10-05 Becky Burr and > Maarten Botterman to Erika Mann and Ching Chiao CCWG-AP.pdf" >Content-ID: <63446FED97BF414FB98C66CBF0BFE4BF(a)pexch112.icann.org> >X-Attachment-Id: 36667124b8b4fbce_0.1 > >_______________________________________________ >Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list >Ccwg-auctionproceeds(a)icann.org >https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds

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Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For final review - draft Initial Report & input on whether call is needed on Thursday
by Marika Konings Oct. 3, 2018

Oct. 3, 2018

Dear all, not having heard anyone speak up in favor of having a meeting, staff will go ahead and cancel tomorrow’s CCWG meeting. The intent is to publish the Initial Report for public comment on Monday 8 October. Thank you again for all your input and comments. Best regards, Marika From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Marika Konings <marika.konings(a)icann.org> Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 9:43 AM To: "ccwg-auctionproceeds(a)icann.org" <ccwg-auctionproceeds(a)icann.org> Subject: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For final review - draft Initial Report & input on whether call is needed on Thursday Dear All, Following the last round of comments, staff has gone ahead and accepted all previous redlines & comments so that only the most recent input is visible in the form of blue highlighted comments. As most of the input seemed to be non-controversial changes / improvements, staff has gone ahead and applied these in the document in redline format. There were just a couple of items, highlighted in yellow, where the proposed changes seem to change the original intent of the CCWG and as such these have not been made, but the group is welcome to discuss and consider further whether those changes should be applied. As this further consideration could be done via email, we would like to ask for your input on whether you are of the view that a call is needed to discuss these remaining comments. If you think a call is needed, please share this with the list before Wednesday 15.00 UTC at which time the leadership team will make a determination of whether to go ahead with the call or not. We also hope to share with you shortly the proposed public comment announcement. Best regards, Emily, Joke and Marika Marika Konings Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: marika.konings(a)icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__learn.icann.org_courses…> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_sites_gn…>.

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For your review - Initial Report - public comment announcement
by Emily Barabas Oct. 3, 2018

Oct. 3, 2018

Dear all, Please find attached draft text for the new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Initial Report public comment announcement page. You can view samples of the way this text appears by clicking into any of the public comment pages available here: https://www.icann.org/public-comments. If you have any concerns about the attached text, please raise them on the mailing list by end of day tomorrow (4 October 2018). Kind regards, Emily Emily Barabas | Policy Manager ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers Email: emily.barabas(a)icann.org | Phone: +31 (0)6 84507976

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