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IP's feedback to proposed integration algorithm (ToDo-5)
by Yoshiro YONEYA May 15, 2015

May 15, 2015

Dear CGP/JGP/KGP members, > [[Integration Algorithm]] > ToDo-5 <expected> J gets IP's feedback on Yoneya's algorithm IP gave us feedback to proposed integration algorithm in advance. Please find attached the document with IP's annotation. And please prepare for the meeting. If you have any questions/comments, please let us know. This ToDo is related to following ToDos. > [[Premise]] > ToDo-2 <must> Each participant understands Yoneya's algorithm > that was already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Yoneya and > also agreed by C and J in Dallas, which is attached > to this mail as well > > ToDo-4 <expected> Participants agree on Yoneya's algorithm as a > framework and also agree on partial usage of MSS > to accelerate our discussion ("partial" means > "J doesn't need to be considered to be incorporated > into MSS") This is expected to be discussed and > finalized online before our meeting Regards, -- Yoshiro YONEYA <yoshiro.yoneya(a)jprs.co.jp>

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Proposed Action items before Seoul meeting
by HiroHOTTA May 13, 2015

May 13, 2015

Dear colleagues in CGP/JGP/KGP, If I may, in order for us to make our Seoul meeting efficient and fruitful, I'd like to propose what each of us is expected to prepare well before the meeting. I know I am very pushy but I think at least we must not use our precious time just to understand the information in front of us for a long time. Please give comments and let's discuss online about the ToDo's before Seoul meeting . == [[Premise]] ToDo-1 <must> Each participant understands what RootLGR is and what is expected for GPs to do. ToDo-2 <must> Each participant understands Yoneya's algorithm that was already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Yoneya and also agreed by C and J in Dallas, which is attached to this mail as well ToDo-3 <must> Each participant understands MSS concept that was already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Dr. Wang Wei, which is attached to this mail along with HiroHOTTA's response ToDo-4 <expected> Participants agree on Yoneya's algorithm as a framework and also agree on partial usage of MSS to accelerate our discussion ("partial" means "J doesn't need to be considered to be incorporated into MSS") This is expected to be discussed and finalized online before our meeting [[Integration Algorithm]] ToDo-5 <expected> J gets IP's feedback on Yoneya's algorithm [[MSS/LGR-1]] ToDo-6 <must> C prepares MSS repertoire, which may be equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 repertoire (done?) ToDo-7 <expected> C prepares Chinese variants within MSS, which may be equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 (planned date is expected to be declared, if not in time for the meeting) ToDo-8 <must> J prepares Japanese LGR-1 repertoire and variants (there's no variants in Japanese LGR-1 : they were already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP) ToDo-9 <must> K prepares the basic idea of Korean LGR-1 repertoire and variants ToDo-10<expected> K prepares Korean LGR-1 repertoire and variants (planned date is expected to be declared, ift LGR-1 does not come in time for the meeting) ToDo-11<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP assesses the repertoires and variants that have already been provided by other GPs as far as possible [[Logistics/etc.]] ToDo-12<must> each CGP/JGP/KGP Chair designates a person in charge of ToDo-5 to ToDo-11 well in advance to the meeting (expected to post the (names) in replying this mail by May 1st) - this may accelerate the coordination a lot ToDo-13<must> convener fixes the agenda through consultation with CJK colleagues (Hiro is pleased to behave as the convener until someone will raise his/her hand) Hiro

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latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
by KIM Kyongsok May 12, 2015

May 12, 2015

Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok

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past and future mails across GP mailing lists
by Sarmad Hussain April 28, 2015

April 28, 2015

Dear All, As there has been increasing need of cross-posting, due to recent coordination efforts between Chinese, Japanese and Korean GPs, we have gone and adjusted the mailing permissions across these lists. This has caused some earlier messages in the queue to be released as well and will allow future messages to be shared across GPs. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Regards, Sarmad

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Japanese LGR-1 (ToDo-8)
by Yoshiro YONEYA April 27, 2015

April 27, 2015

Dear CGP and KGP members, Please find attched the latest Japanese LGR-1 (in XML format). For your convenience, summary of the table is: - Repertoire of Japanses LGR-1 consists from Kanji, Hiragana and Katakana. No alphabets are included. - No variants are defined. Each code point has no variant. - Disposition of each code point is "allocatable". - WLE is minimal (may be considered as common part of every LGRs). This is the same one which I sent you on late Mar or early Apr, but I send this again to associate with ToDo-8 for Seoul meeting (next month's CJK coordination meeting). > [[MSS/LGR-1]] > ToDo-8 <must> J prepares Japanese LGR-1 repertoire and variants > (there's no variants in Japanese LGR-1 : they > were already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP) Please use this for source of ToDo-11. > ToDo-11<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP assesses the repertoires and > variants that have already been provided by other > GPs as far as possible Regards, -- Yoshiro YONEYA <yoshiro.yoneya(a)jprs.co.jp>

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[CJK Meeting] Location of CJK Coordination meeting (May 15-16)
by 박민정 April 27, 2015

April 27, 2015

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FW: Proposed Action items before Seoul meeting
by Sarmad Hussain April 26, 2015

April 26, 2015

Forwarding to all GPs (apologies for any duplication). -----Original Message----- From: japanesegp-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:japanesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of HiroHOTTA Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 10:05 PM To: KoreanGP(a)icann.org; ChineseGP(a)icann.org; JapaneseGP(a)icann.org Subject: [Japanesegp] Proposed Action items before Seoul meeting Dear colleagues in CGP/JGP/KGP, If I may, in order for us to make our Seoul meeting efficient and fruitful, I'd like to propose what each of us is expected to prepare well before the meeting. I know I am very pushy but I think at least we must not use our precious time just to understand the information in front of us for a long time. Please give comments and let's discuss online about the ToDo's before Seoul meeting . == [[Premise]] ToDo-1 <must> Each participant understands what RootLGR is and what is expected for GPs to do. ToDo-2 <must> Each participant understands Yoneya's algorithm that was already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Yoneya and also agreed by C and J in Dallas, which is attached to this mail as well ToDo-3 <must> Each participant understands MSS concept that was already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Dr. Wang Wei, which is attached to this mail along with HiroHOTTA's response ToDo-4 <expected> Participants agree on Yoneya's algorithm as a framework and also agree on partial usage of MSS to accelerate our discussion ("partial" means "J doesn't need to be considered to be incorporated into MSS") This is expected to be discussed and finalized online before our meeting [[Integration Algorithm]] ToDo-5 <expected> J gets IP's feedback on Yoneya's algorithm [[MSS/LGR-1]] ToDo-6 <must> C prepares MSS repertoire, which may be equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 repertoire (done?) ToDo-7 <expected> C prepares Chinese variants within MSS, which may be equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 (planned date is expected to be declared, if not in time for the meeting) ToDo-8 <must> J prepares Japanese LGR-1 repertoire and variants (there's no variants in Japanese LGR-1 : they were already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP) ToDo-9 <must> K prepares the basic idea of Korean LGR-1 repertoire and variants ToDo-10<expected> K prepares Korean LGR-1 repertoire and variants (planned date is expected to be declared, ift LGR-1 does not come in time for the meeting) ToDo-11<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP assesses the repertoires and variants that have already been provided by other GPs as far as possible [[Logistics/etc.]] ToDo-12<must> each CGP/JGP/KGP Chair designates a person in charge of ToDo-5 to ToDo-11 well in advance to the meeting (expected to post the (names) in replying this mail by May 1st) - this may accelerate the coordination a lot ToDo-13<must> convener fixes the agenda through consultation with CJK colleagues (Hiro is pleased to behave as the convener until someone will raise his/her hand) Hiro _______________________________________________ japanesegp mailing list japanesegp(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/japanesegp

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Re: [ChineseGP] specific time of CJK Coordination meeting
by HiroHOTTA April 22, 2015

April 22, 2015

Dear Dongman, Thanks for your participation. And sorry for the inconvenience caused by the date/time of the meeting. Hiro On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:33:08 +0900 Dongman Lee <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr> wrote: > I will be able to join in the morning of May 16 (Sat) considering the timezone difference between Korea and the east of the US. Thanks for your understanding. > > Regards, > > Dongman > > 2015-04-21 ?? 11:19? HiroHOTTA ?(?) ? ?: > > Hi all, > > > > As I haven't received any request for time change so far, > > let's tentatively set or meeting as > > > > starts at 14:00 15/May and adjourns at 16:00 16/May > > > > If you will attend the meeting partially, please let me > > know what time you will be with us. > > > > I've heard from Kenny that he won't make it on 15/May > > > > Regards, > > Hiro > > > > > > On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 23:14:49 +0900 > > HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp> wrote: > >> Dear all, > >> > >> Now, it's time to fine-tune our meeting schedule. > >> > >>> from PM on Friday 15/May to 15:00 on Saturday 16/May > >> JGP representatives can make it if the meeting starts at 14:00 > >> 15/May and adjourns at 16:00 16/May considering the flight > >> schedule. > >> > >> Now, may I have your preferred start-time and adjournment-time > >> of our Seoul meeting? > >> > >> current proposal : > >> starts at 14:00 15/May and adjourns at 16:00 16/May > >> > >> If you want to have a shorter meeting, please propose the > >> specific start time and the closure time. let's decide by end > >> of Tuesday 21/April. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Hiro > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 01:35:37 +0900 > >> HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp> wrote: > >>> Dear colleagues in CGP, KGP, JGP, > >>> > >>> Considering the responses so far, let me propose that > >>> representatives from CGP, KGP and JGP will meet in Seoul > >>> from PM on Friday 15/May to 15:00 on Saturday 16/May. > >>> > >>> So far, as far as I remember, the following folks > >>> responded affirmatively in attending the CJK meeting > >>> in Seoul from PM on Friday 15/May to 15:00 on Saturday > >>> 16/May. And some expressed their intention to join > >>> remotely. > >>> > >>> CGP Wang Wei > >>> Chris Dillon > >>> > >>> KGP KIM Kyongsok > >>> > >>> JGP Hiro Hotta > >>> Yoshiro Yoneya > >>> Yuri Takamatsu > >>> > >>> We need to fix the dates/venue pretty soon, because the > >>> dates are just one month away. > >>> > >>> May I propose that if no big issue on dates/venue is raised > >>> by Friday 17/April, we fix the dates/venue ? Meanwhile, > >>> please share who from CGP and who from KGP will attend. > >>> JGP will send the above 3 folks. > >>> > >>> In addition, may I ask Prof. KIM to secure a meeting room > >>> with Internet facility i Seoul? > >>> > >>> Thanks and Regards, > >>> Hiro > >>> > >>> > >>>> As CGP and JGP discussed in Dallas, we have produced tow versoins of repertoire and variant table. > >>>> We will send them out to JGP after the fortnight meeting at tomorrow afternoon. > >>> That's a great news! > >>> I'm looking forward to your revised table. > >>> > >>> > >>> As to the Seoul meeting, > >>> > >>>> option-2 : pm on Friday 15/May and > >>>> am (or possibly till 15:00) on Saturday 16/May > >>> will work for all 3 CJK Chairs with some others who > >>> already responded to my proposal. I'll send a separate > >>> mail to all of us regarding the meeting date. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Hiro > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 22:46:02 +0800 (GMT+08:00) > >>> ヘ〓ー <wangwei(a)cnic.cn> wrote: > >>>> Dear All > >>>> > >>>> Has the date of Seoul meeing been fixed ? > >>>> > >>>> As CGP and JGP discussed in Dallas, we have produced tow versoins of repertoire and variant table. > >>>> We will send them out to JGP after the fortnight meeting at tomorrow afternoon. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> -----ヤュハシモハシ?----- > >>>>> キ「シ?ネヒ: HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp> > >>>>> キ「ヒヘハアシ 2015$B%H%d%D10%M%f ミヌニレホ〓> > ハユシ?ネヒ: "Dongman Lee" <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0(a)gmail.com>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43(a)hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei(a)cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh(a)gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu(a)jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya(a)jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang(a)unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao(a)cnnic.cn>" <qichao(a)cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei(a)cnnic.cn> > >>>>> ウュヒヘ: "KoreanGP(a)icann.org" <KoreanGP(a)icann.org>, "ChineseGP(a)icann.org" <ChineseGP(a)icann.org>, "JapaneseGP(a)icann.org" <JapaneseGP(a)icann.org> > >>>>> ヨ〓 Re: [ChineseGP] informal gathering in Dallas and the way forward > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear professors, > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you for your response. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear all, > >>>>> > >>>>> It's usually not easy (almost imporrisible) for all the > >>>>> important people to gather together. > >>>>> > >>>>> It seems the below are the possible options where at > >>>>> least one important person from KGP can join. > >>>>> > >>>>> Option-a 1 day on 29/April Prof. Lee OK > >>>>> Option-b 1.5 days during 15/May-17/May Prof. Kim OK > >>>>> > >>>>> After hearing from CGP, let's see how we can arrange the > >>>>> dates. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> Hiro > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 13:09:20 +0900 > >>>>> Dongman Lee <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr> wrote: > >>>>>> Hmm.. I'm sorry to say that I'll be in the USA for a business trip. So the 1st option only works for me. April 29th works best for me. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dongman > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2015-04-10 ?? 12:25? KIM Kyongsok ?(?) ? ?: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 12:16 PM, HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp > <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear all, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It seems difficult for us to move without specific > >>>>>>> proposal on the date/time and venue. > >>>>>>> Let me narrow down the options regarding CJK meeting. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> date/time > >>>>>>> 1st option : 1.5 days during 28/April - 30/April > >>>>>>> 2nd option : 1.5 days during 15/May - 17/May > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For me, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1st option is not good: I have a meeting and a class. > >>>>>>> 2nd option seems good although it includes a weekend. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> KIM, K. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> venue > >>>>>>> Seoul > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Either of the above options works for 3 JGP > >>>>>>> representatives. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I hope CGP and KGP can send representatives to either > >>>>>>> of the above options. > >>>>>>> Looking forward to your response. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>> Hiro > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 08:54:17 +0900 > >>>>>>> Dongman Lee <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr <mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > Hiro, > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > First of all, I fully agree with you on having a meeting before > >>>>>>> the next ICANN meeting. Thanks for a kind and excellent suggestion > >>>>>>> of Seoul as a meeting location. I will check with KISA. > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > Regards, > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > Dongman > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > ?? iPhone?? ?? > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > 2015. 4. 3. ?? 12:12 HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp > >>>>>>> <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> ??: > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > Hi, CJK colleagues, > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > There's a proposal to meet (has a panel) in Macau in June. > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > However, I think it's definitely better for CJK to meet in late > >>>>>>> > > April or early May, which is well before Buenos Aires ICANN > >>>>>>> > > Meeting. I proposed that to this mailing list, to propel our > >>>>>>> > > discussion. > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > I haven't heard from anyone from CGP/KGP about my proposal. > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > I know it's difficult for KGP to join the meeting, so it may > >>>>>>> be better > >>>>>>> > > for CJK to meet in Korea. > >>>>>>> > > May I have your opinion on this? > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > Hiro > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 06:05:00 +0900 > >>>>>>> > > HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >> Dear CGP/JGP/KGP members, > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> Thank you for those of you who could make the informal gathering > >>>>>>> > >> on March 22 in Dallas happened. > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> Let me report you about its results as one of the attendees of > >>>>>>> > >> the gathering. > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> <report from the gathering> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> Three from CGP (including its Chair) and two from JGP (including > >>>>>>> > >> its Chair) made a sincere in-depth discussion on how to proceed > >>>>>>> > >> the script-wise LGR generation and the coordination among CJK. > >>>>>>> > >> Based on JGP's strawman proposal explained as a starter of the > >>>>>>> > >> gathering, they discussed about the framework, algorithm, and > >>>>>>> > >> their pros and cons. The proposed framework inherits the concept > >>>>>>> > >> of Dr. Zhang's definition that was sent to some members of > >>>>>>> > >> CGP/JGP/KGP including all three GP Chairs on March 10, 2015. The > >>>>>>> > >> attendees of the gathering there tentatively agreed JGP's > >>>>>>> > >> proposal with some small improvements. > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> Following the gathering, the attendees agreed that > >>>>>>> > >> - CGP would continue working on its revised (reduced) LGR > >>>>>>> > >> definition (outcome expected to come up in mid-April) > >>>>>>> > >> - JGP would share its experimental draft LGR with CGP (in a > >>>>>>> > >> couple of days) for CGP/JGP to ensure that the strawman > >>>>>>> > >> proposal would work appropriately from technical perspective > >>>>>>> > >> and from script community perspective. > >>>>>>> > >> - JGP will work on the improvement of the proposal (in a week) > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> Of course, CGP and JGP are and will be ready to share their above > >>>>>>> > >> output among CGP/JGP/KGP after necessary amendment in due course. > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> <meeting proposal : expected to be agreed in some form> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> Now seeing that the informal process in each GP is advancing, I'd > >>>>>>> > >> like to propose a CGP/JGP/KGP coordination meeting in late April > >>>>>>> > >> - before mid May at the latest. > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> May I have opinions on this CJK meeting proposal from > >>>>>>> CGP/JGP/KGP? > >>>>>>> > >> Especially about the feasibility, dates, and venue. > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> Regards, > >>>>>>> > >> Hiro Hotta, JGP Chair > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > ? ?? KIM, Kyongsok > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- Dongman Lee, PhD > >>>>>> Head, Graduate School of Culture Technology > >>>>>> Professor, Department of Computer Science > >>>>>> KAIST > >>>>>> 291 Daehak-ro, Yuseong-gu > >>>>>> Daejon 305-701 > >>>>>> KOREA > >>>>>> > >>>>>> E-mail: dlee(a)kaist.ac.kr > >>>>>> Web: http://cds.kaist.ac.kr/cdsn/DongmanLee > >>>>>> Tel: +82-42-350-2901/3559 > >>>>>> HP: +82-10-3412-1387 > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> ChineseGP mailing list > >>>>> ChineseGP(a)icann.org > >>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/chinesegp > >>>> > >>>> > >>> --------------------- Original Message Ends -------------------- > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> japanesegp mailing list > >>> japanesegp(a)icann.org > >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/japanesegp > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> japanesegp mailing list > >> japanesegp(a)icann.org > >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/japanesegp > >> > > > > > > > -- Dongman Lee, PhD > Head, Graduate School of Culture Technology > Professor, Department of Computer Science > KAIST > 291 Daehak-ro, Yuseong-gu > Daejon 305-701 > KOREA > > E-mail: dlee(a)kaist.ac.kr > Web: http://cds.kaist.ac.kr/cdsn/DongmanLee > Tel: +82-42-350-2901/3559 > HP: +82-10-3412-1387 > >

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dates/time and place : CJK Coordination meeting
by HiroHOTTA April 21, 2015

April 21, 2015

Dear colleagues in CGP, KGP, JGP, Considering the responses so far, let me propose that representatives from CGP, KGP and JGP will meet in Seoul from PM on Friday 15/May to 15:00 on Saturday 16/May. So far, as far as I remember, the following folks responded affirmatively in attending the CJK meeting in Seoul from PM on Friday 15/May to 15:00 on Saturday 16/May. And some expressed their intention to join remotely. CGP Wang Wei Chris Dillon KGP KIM Kyongsok JGP Hiro Hotta Yoshiro Yoneya Yuri Takamatsu We need to fix the dates/venue pretty soon, because the dates are just one month away. May I propose that if no big issue on dates/venue is raised by Friday 17/April, we fix the dates/venue ? Meanwhile, please share who from CGP and who from KGP will attend. JGP will send the above 3 folks. In addition, may I ask Prof. KIM to secure a meeting room with Internet facility i Seoul? Thanks and Regards, Hiro > As CGP and JGP discussed in Dallas, we have produced tow versoins of repertoire and variant table. > We will send them out to JGP after the fortnight meeting at tomorrow afternoon. That's a great news! I'm looking forward to your revised table. As to the Seoul meeting, > option-2 : pm on Friday 15/May and > am (or possibly till 15:00) on Saturday 16/May will work for all 3 CJK Chairs with some others who already responded to my proposal. I'll send a separate mail to all of us regarding the meeting date. Regards, Hiro On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 22:46:02 +0800 (GMT+08:00) ヘ〓ー <wangwei(a)cnic.cn> wrote: > Dear All > > Has the date of Seoul meeing been fixed ? > > As CGP and JGP discussed in Dallas, we have produced tow versoins of repertoire and variant table. > We will send them out to JGP after the fortnight meeting at tomorrow afternoon. > > > > > > -----ヤュハシモハシ?----- > > キ「シ?ネヒ: HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp> > > キ「ヒヘハアシ 2015$B%H%d%D10ネユミヌニレホ〓> > ハユシ?ネヒ: "Dongman Lee" <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0(a)gmail.com>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43(a)hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei(a)cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh(a)gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu(a)jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya(a)jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang(a)unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao(a)cnnic.cn>" <qichao(a)cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei(a)cnnic.cn> > > ウュヒヘ: "KoreanGP(a)icann.org" <KoreanGP(a)icann.org>, "ChineseGP(a)icann.org" <ChineseGP(a)icann.org>, "JapaneseGP(a)icann.org" <JapaneseGP(a)icann.org> > > ヨ〓 Re: [ChineseGP] informal gathering in Dallas and the way forward > > > > Dear professors, > > > > Thank you for your response. > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > It's usually not easy (almost imporrisible) for all the > > important people to gather together. > > > > It seems the below are the possible options where at > > least one important person from KGP can join. > > > > Option-a 1 day on 29/April Prof. Lee OK > > Option-b 1.5 days during 15/May-17/May Prof. Kim OK > > > > After hearing from CGP, let's see how we can arrange the > > dates. > > > > Regards, > > Hiro > > > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 13:09:20 +0900 > > Dongman Lee <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr> wrote: > > > Hmm.. I'm sorry to say that I'll be in the USA for a business trip. So the 1st option only works for me. April 29th works best for me. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dongman > > > > > > 2015-04-10 ?? 12:25? KIM Kyongsok ?(?) ? ?: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 12:16 PM, HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp > <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > It seems difficult for us to move without specific > > > > proposal on the date/time and venue. > > > > Let me narrow down the options regarding CJK meeting. > > > > > > > > date/time > > > > 1st option : 1.5 days during 28/April - 30/April > > > > 2nd option : 1.5 days during 15/May - 17/May > > > > > > > > > > > > For me, > > > > > > > > 1st option is not good: I have a meeting and a class. > > > > 2nd option seems good although it includes a weekend. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > KIM, K. > > > > > > > > > > > > venue > > > > Seoul > > > > > > > > Either of the above options works for 3 JGP > > > > representatives. > > > > > > > > I hope CGP and KGP can send representatives to either > > > > of the above options. > > > > Looking forward to your response. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Hiro > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 08:54:17 +0900 > > > > Dongman Lee <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr <mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>> wrote: > > > > > Hiro, > > > > > > > > > > First of all, I fully agree with you on having a meeting before > > > > the next ICANN meeting. Thanks for a kind and excellent suggestion > > > > of Seoul as a meeting location. I will check with KISA. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Dongman > > > > > > > > > > ?? iPhone?? ?? > > > > > > > > > > 2015. 4. 3. ?? 12:12 HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp > > > > <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> ??: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, CJK colleagues, > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a proposal to meet (has a panel) in Macau in June. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I think it's definitely better for CJK to meet in late > > > > > > April or early May, which is well before Buenos Aires ICANN > > > > > > Meeting. I proposed that to this mailing list, to propel our > > > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't heard from anyone from CGP/KGP about my proposal. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it's difficult for KGP to join the meeting, so it may > > > > be better > > > > > > for CJK to meet in Korea. > > > > > > May I have your opinion on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 06:05:00 +0900 > > > > > > HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> wrote: > > > > > >> Dear CGP/JGP/KGP members, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thank you for those of you who could make the informal gathering > > > > > >> on March 22 in Dallas happened. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Let me report you about its results as one of the attendees of > > > > > >> the gathering. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> <report from the gathering> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Three from CGP (including its Chair) and two from JGP (including > > > > > >> its Chair) made a sincere in-depth discussion on how to proceed > > > > > >> the script-wise LGR generation and the coordination among CJK. > > > > > >> Based on JGP's strawman proposal explained as a starter of the > > > > > >> gathering, they discussed about the framework, algorithm, and > > > > > >> their pros and cons. The proposed framework inherits the concept > > > > > >> of Dr. Zhang's definition that was sent to some members of > > > > > >> CGP/JGP/KGP including all three GP Chairs on March 10, 2015. The > > > > > >> attendees of the gathering there tentatively agreed JGP's > > > > > >> proposal with some small improvements. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Following the gathering, the attendees agreed that > > > > > >> - CGP would continue working on its revised (reduced) LGR > > > > > >> definition (outcome expected to come up in mid-April) > > > > > >> - JGP would share its experimental draft LGR with CGP (in a > > > > > >> couple of days) for CGP/JGP to ensure that the strawman > > > > > >> proposal would work appropriately from technical perspective > > > > > >> and from script community perspective. > > > > > >> - JGP will work on the improvement of the proposal (in a week) > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Of course, CGP and JGP are and will be ready to share their above > > > > > >> output among CGP/JGP/KGP after necessary amendment in due course. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> <meeting proposal : expected to be agreed in some form> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Now seeing that the informal process in each GP is advancing, I'd > > > > > >> like to propose a CGP/JGP/KGP coordination meeting in late April > > > > > >> - before mid May at the latest. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> May I have opinions on this CJK meeting proposal from > > > > CGP/JGP/KGP? > > > > > >> Especially about the feasibility, dates, and venue. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Regards, > > > > > >> Hiro Hotta, JGP Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ? ?? KIM, Kyongsok > > > > > > > > > -- Dongman Lee, PhD > > > Head, Graduate School of Culture Technology > > > Professor, Department of Computer Science > > > KAIST > > > 291 Daehak-ro, Yuseong-gu > > > Daejon 305-701 > > > KOREA > > > > > > E-mail: dlee(a)kaist.ac.kr > > > Web: http://cds.kaist.ac.kr/cdsn/DongmanLee > > > Tel: +82-42-350-2901/3559 > > > HP: +82-10-3412-1387 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ChineseGP mailing list > > ChineseGP(a)icann.org > > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/chinesegp > > > --------------------- Original Message Ends --------------------

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回复： RE: 答复: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
by ZhangJoe April 20, 2015

April 20, 2015

我昨晚传给你的收到了吗？纳入总的VARIANTs TABLE了吗？发送自我的三星设备 -------- 原始邮件 -------- 发件人：齐超 <qichao(a)cnnic.cn> 日期: 2015-04-18 12:31 (GMT+08:00) 收件人： Jonathan Shea <jonathan.shea(a)hkirc.hk> 抄送： Zhang Zhoucai <joe.zhang(a)unihan.com.cn>, 'JOEZHANG43' <joezhang43(a)hotmail.com>, 'yanzhiwei' <yanzhiwei(a)cnnic.cn>, 'wangwei' <wangwei(a)cnic.cn>, ChineseGP(a)icann.org 主题： Re: RE: [ChineseGP] 答复: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 各位,好, 我整理了一下Jonathan发过来的文字, 在APPFORM里有申请加入的新字以及简繁体对应关系. 这部分大都在澎湖会议时被提出, 有一些已经被采纳被写进了CGP的字表里(但是像"㩜U+3A5C"并不在MSR里). 剩下有一些是当时会议被标记未决或未通过的但是包括在IICore里的, 我以黄色背景作了标记 . 其变体关系定义还请各位专家参考. 谢谢各位. -----原始邮件----- 发件人:"Jonathan Shea" <jonathan.shea(a)hkirc.hk> 发送时间:2015-04-17 18:44:35 (星期五) 收件人: "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang(a)unihan.com.cn>, "'齐超'" <qichao(a)cnnic.cn>, 'JOEZHANG43' <joezhang43(a)hotmail.com>, 'yanzhiwei' <yanzhiwei(a)cnnic.cn>, 'wangwei' <wangwei(a)cnic.cn> 抄送: "ChineseGP(a)icann.org" <ChineseGP(a)icann.org> 主题: RE: [ChineseGP] 答复: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 附上的zip file有21個字的variant考查。下星期一我會提供另外44個字的資料。 Regards, Jonathan Shea From:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Zhang Zhoucai Sent: Friday, 17 April 2015 3:07 PM To: '齐超'; 'JOEZHANG43'; 'yanzhiwei'; 'wangwei' Cc:ChineseGP@icann.org Subject: [ChineseGP] 答复: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 齐超：对不起，上午外出。粗略看一下，有许多是日文略字。我手头一时找不到原有的电子档，建议你： 1. 参考Jonathan的资料（他说有的已经考察过） 2. 用程序扫描J-variant table。把结果传给我看看。我现在出去，晚上可以再浏览校对。张发件人:齐超 [mailto:qichao@cnnic.cn] 发送时间: 2015年4月17日 10:31 收件人: JOEZHANG43; Joe Zhang; yanzhiwei; wangwei 抄送:ChineseGP@icann.org 主题: Re: Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 张老师，王伟，根据昨天王伟发出的最终字表，查询CDNC中已有的variant定义，形成了一个MSS最小化的字表variant。 MSS中有 12334 个字在 CDNC中，剩下的197个（12534 - 12334）个还没有variant定义，如下（也可以在excel中筛选出）。这些字不知道张老师有没有现成的variant集？如果 case by case 确认的还是很费时的。 | Unicode | Hanzi | | 34E4 | 㓤 | | 3577 | 㕷 | | 35A1 | 㖡 | | 35AD | 㖭 | | 35BF | 㖿 | | 35CE | 㗎 | | 35F3 | 㗳 | | 35FE | 㗾 | | 3960 | 㥠 | | 39F8 | 㧸 | | 39FE | 㧾 | | 3A18 | 㨘 | | 3A52 | 㩒 | | 3A67 | 㩧 | | 3B39 | 㬹 | | 3DE7 | 㷧 | | 3DEB | 㷫 | | 3E74 | 㹴 | | 3ED0 | 㻐 | | 4065 | 䁥 | | 406A | 䁪 | | 40BB | 䂻 | | 40DF | 䃟 | | 4137 | 䄷 | | 44EA | 䓪 | | 4606 | 䘆 | | 47F4 | 䟴 | | 48B5 | 䢵 | | 48BC | 䢼 | | 48C5 | 䣅 | | 48D3 | 䣓 | | 49D1 | 䧑 | | 4A12 | 䨒 | | 4AB8 | 䪸 | | 4C7D | 䱽 | | 4C81 | 䲁 | | 4C85 | 䲅 | | 4CB3 | 䲳 | | 4D08 | 䴈 | | 4E55 | 乕 | | 4EEE | 仮 | | 4FAD | 侭 | | 51B4 | 冴 | | 51E6 | 処 | | 5227 | 刧 | | 524F | 剏 | | 5271 | 剱 | | 5368 | 卨 | | 5605 | 嘅 | | 5689 | 嚉 | | 56A2 | 嚢 | | 576E | 坮 | | 57DE | 埞 | | 5817 | 堗 | | 5841 | 塁 | | 58CC | 壌 | | 5BFE | 対 | | 5C02 | 専 | | 5CC0 | 峀 | | 5D5C | 嵜 | | 5E3F | 帿 | | 5F10 | 弐 | | 6060 | 恠 | | 60A9 | 悩 | | 60E3 | 惣 | | 61F4 | 懴 | | 62A6 | 抦 | | 6335 | 挵 | | 633F | 挿 | | 637F | 捿 | | 63BB | 掻 | | 6442 | 摂 | | 656D | 敭 | | 65FF | 旿 | | 663B | 昻 | | 663F | 昿 | | 6667 | 晧 | | 66FD | 曽 | | 681E | 栞 | | 685C | 桜 | | 685F | 桟 | | 68C5 | 棅 | | 6A53 | 橓 | | 6AAA | 檪 | | 6C17 | 気 | | 6D9C | 涜 | | 6E13 | 渓 | | 6E7A | 湺 | | 6E8C | 溌 | | 6EDD | 滝 | | 701E | 瀞 | | 7114 | 焔 | | 713C | 焼 | | 7155 | 煕 | | 7200 | 爀 | | 72A0 | 犠 | | 731F | 猟 | | 732F | 猯 | | 734F | 獏 | | 7363 | 獣 | | 73E1 | 珡 | | 73E4 | 珤 | | 7460 | 瑠 | | 74A2 | 璢 | | 74C8 | 瓈 | | 750E | 甎 | | 7534 | 甴 | | 754A | 畊 | | 7573 | 畳 | | 757A | 畺 | | 758E | 疎 | | 75E9 | 痩 | | 764E | 癎 | | 767A | 発 | | 76CC | 盌 | | 7807 | 砇 | | 783F | 砿 | | 784F | 硏 | | 7A36 | 稶 | | 7A4F | 穏 | | 7A63 | 穣 | | 7AC3 | 竃 | | 7AD7 | 竗 | | 7ADA | 竚 | | 7B6F | 筯 | | 7B86 | 箆 | | 7B92 | 箒 | | 7C14 | 簔 | | 7C4F | 籏 | | 7C83 | 粃 | | 7D9A | 続 | | 7DDC | 緜 | | 7E4A | 繊 | | 7E4B | 繋 | | 8117 | 脗 | | 8133 | 脳 | | 81D3 | 臓 | | 8217 | 舗 | | 8262 | 艢 | | 839F | 莟 | | 83B5 | 莵 | | 8420 | 萠 | | 84DA | 蓚 | | 8597 | 薗 | | 86CD | 蛍 | | 874B | 蝋 | | 877F | 蝿 | | 88B5 | 袵 | | 894D | 襍 | | 89A9 | 覩 | | 8A33 | 訳 | | 8AAD | 読 | | 8B0C | 謌 | | 8B72 | 譲 | | 8E99 | 躙 | | 8EE2 | 転 | | 8F0C | 輌 | | 8F19 | 輙 | | 8F27 | 輧 | | 8FBA | 辺 | | 9039 | 逹 | | 9197 | 醗 | | 91A4 | 醤 | | 91B8 | 醸 | | 91C8 | 釈 | | 9244 | 鉄 | | 9271 | 鉱 | | 932C | 錬 | | 9421 | 鐡 | | 945A | 鑚 | | 9665 | 陥 | | 967A | 険 | | 96B2 | 隲 | | 974D | 靍 | | 9771 | 靱 | | 982C | 頬 | | 984B | 顋 | | 98C7 | 飇 | | 98E1 | 飡 | | 98EE | 飮 | | 994D | 饍 | | 99C5 | 駅 | | 9A12 | 騒 | | 9A13 | 験 | | 9A28 | 騨 | | 9C04 | 鰄 | | 9C2E | 鰮 | | 9C76 | 鱶 | | 9D0E | 鴎 | | 9D2C | 鴬 | | 9D44 | 鵄 | | 9D8F | 鶏 | | 9DC0 | 鷀 | | 9E78 | 鹸 | | 9EB9 | 麹 | | 9EBA | 麺 | | 9F62 | 齢 | 齐超 via foxmail 发件人：王伟发送时间： 2015年4月16日(星期四) 下午11:38 收件人： KIM Kyongsok 抄送： hotta(a)jprs.co.jp; Dongman Lee; Joe Zhang; Wang Wei; Kenny Huang; Yuri; Yoshiro YONEYA; Zhang Zhoucai; ; Zhiwei Yan; KoreanGP(a)icann.org; ChineseGP(a)icann.org; JapaneseGP(a)icann.org; ? ??; 조성덕; 신상현 主题： Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0(a)gmail.com> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日星期四收件人: "hotta(a)jprs.co.jp" <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei(a)cnic.cn>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43(a)hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei(a)cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh(a)gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu(a)jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya(a)jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang(a)unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao(a)cnnic.cn>" <qichao(a)cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei(a)cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP(a)icann.org" <KoreanGP(a)icann.org>, "ChineseGP(a)icann.org" <ChineseGP(a)icann.org>, "JapaneseGP(a)icann.org" <JapaneseGP(a)icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim(a)kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo(a)empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21(a)naver.com>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0(a)gmail.com> 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김경석 KIM, Kyongsok

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回复： RE: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
by joe.zhang April 17, 2015

April 17, 2015

That will be helpful. 发送自我的三星设备 -------- 原始邮件 -------- 发件人： Jonathan Shea <jonathan.shea(a)hkirc.hk> 日期: 2015-04-17 11:45 (GMT+08:00) 收件人：齐超 <qichao(a)cnnic.cn>, JOEZHANG43 <joezhang43(a)hotmail.com>, Joe Zhang <joe.zhang(a)unihan.com.cn>, yanzhiwei <yanzhiwei(a)cnnic.cn>, wangwei <wangwei(a)cnic.cn> 抄送： ChineseGP(a)icann.org, Bonnie Chun <bonnie.chun(a)hkirc.hk> 主题： RE: [ChineseGP] latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 张老师, 王伟，齐超, 這197個字其中有部份HKIRC已做了variant考查，並包括在早前HKIRC向CDNC申請加入CDNC字表的65個「香港增補字庫」的中文字。如果你們覺得合適的話，我會儘快提供有關資料。 Regards, Jonathan Shea From: chinesegp-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of ?? Sent: Friday, 17 April 2015 10:31 AM To: JOEZHANG43; Joe Zhang; yanzhiwei; wangwei Cc: ChineseGP(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [ChineseGP] latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 张老师，王伟，根据昨天王伟发出的最终字表，查询CDNC中已有的variant定义，形成了一个MSS最小化的字表variant。 MSS中有 12334 个字在 CDNC中，剩下的197个（12534 - 12334）个还没有variant定义，如下（也可以在excel中筛选出）。这些字不知道张老师有没有现成的variant集？如果 case by case 确认的还是很费时的。 Unicode Hanzi 34E4 㓤 3577 㕷 35A1 㖡 35AD 㖭 35BF 㖿 35CE 㗎 35F3 㗳 35FE 㗾 3960 㥠 39F8 㧸 39FE 㧾 3A18 㨘 3A52 㩒 3A67 㩧 3B39 㬹 3DE7 㷧 3DEB 㷫 3E74 㹴 3ED0 㻐 4065 䁥 406A 䁪 40BB 䂻 40DF 䃟 4137 䄷 44EA 䓪 4606 䘆 47F4 䟴 48B5 䢵 48BC 䢼 48C5 䣅 48D3 䣓 49D1 䧑 4A12 䨒 4AB8 䪸 4C7D 䱽 4C81 䲁 4C85 䲅 4CB3 䲳 4D08 䴈 4E55 乕 4EEE 仮 4FAD 侭 51B4 冴 51E6 処 5227 刧 524F 剏 5271 剱 5368 卨 5605 嘅 5689 嚉 56A2 嚢 576E 坮 57DE 埞 5817 堗 5841 塁 58CC 壌 5BFE 対 5C02 専 5CC0 峀 5D5C 嵜 5E3F 帿 5F10 弐 6060 恠 60A9 悩 60E3 惣 61F4 懴 62A6 抦 6335 挵 633F 挿 637F 捿 63BB 掻 6442 摂 656D 敭 65FF 旿 663B 昻 663F 昿 6667 晧 66FD 曽 681E 栞 685C 桜 685F 桟 68C5 棅 6A53 橓 6AAA 檪 6C17 気 6D9C 涜 6E13 渓 6E7A 湺 6E8C 溌 6EDD 滝 701E 瀞 7114 焔 713C 焼 7155 煕 7200 爀 72A0 犠 731F 猟 732F 猯 734F 獏 7363 獣 73E1 珡 73E4 珤 7460 瑠 74A2 璢 74C8 瓈 750E 甎 7534 甴 754A 畊 7573 畳 757A 畺 758E 疎 75E9 痩 764E 癎 767A 発 76CC 盌 7807 砇 783F 砿 784F 硏 7A36 稶 7A4F 穏 7A63 穣 7AC3 竃 7AD7 竗 7ADA 竚 7B6F 筯 7B86 箆 7B92 箒 7C14 簔 7C4F 籏 7C83 粃 7D9A 続 7DDC 緜 7E4A 繊 7E4B 繋 8117 脗 8133 脳 81D3 臓 8217 舗 8262 艢 839F 莟 83B5 莵 8420 萠 84DA 蓚 8597 薗 86CD 蛍 874B 蝋 877F 蝿 88B5 袵 894D 襍 89A9 覩 8A33 訳 8AAD 読 8B0C 謌 8B72 譲 8E99 躙 8EE2 転 8F0C 輌 8F19 輙 8F27 輧 8FBA 辺 9039 逹 9197 醗 91A4 醤 91B8 醸 91C8 釈 9244 鉄 9271 鉱 932C 錬 9421 鐡 945A 鑚 9665 陥 967A 険 96B2 隲 974D 靍 9771 靱 982C 頬 984B 顋 98C7 飇 98E1 飡 98EE 飮 994D 饍 99C5 駅 9A12 騒 9A13 験 9A28 騨 9C04 鰄 9C2E 鰮 9C76 鱶 9D0E 鴎 9D2C 鴬 9D44 鵄 9D8F 鶏 9DC0 鷀 9E78 鹸 9EB9 麹 9EBA 麺 9F62 齢齐超 via foxmail 发件人：王伟发送时间： 2015年4月16日(星期四) 下午11:38 收件人： KIM Kyongsok 抄送： hotta(a)jprs.co.jp; Dongman Lee; Joe Zhang; Wang Wei; Kenny Huang; Yuri; Yoshiro YONEYA; Zhang Zhoucai; ; Zhiwei Yan; KoreanGP(a)icann.org; ChineseGP(a)icann.org; JapaneseGP(a)icann.org; ? ??; 조성덕; 신상현 主题： Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0(a)gmail.com> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日星期四收件人: "hotta(a)jprs.co.jp" <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei(a)cnic.cn>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43(a)hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei(a)cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh(a)gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu(a)jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya(a)jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang(a)unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao(a)cnnic.cn>" <qichao(a)cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei(a)cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP(a)icann.org" <KoreanGP(a)icann.org>, "ChineseGP(a)icann.org" <ChineseGP(a)icann.org>, "JapaneseGP(a)icann.org" <JapaneseGP(a)icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim(a)kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo(a)empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21(a)naver.com>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0(a)gmail.com> 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok

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Re: [ChineseGP] 答复: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
by KIM Kyongsok April 16, 2015

April 16, 2015

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Zhang Zhoucai <joe.zhang(a)unihan.com.cn> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > Dear Mr. Zhang: Thanks for your message. Let me say this way. I did not mean to discuss variant tables now. KLGP just would like to see CGP and JGP variant tables in preparing KLGP's variant table. Thanks very much. KIM, K. I strongly suggest that we’d better finish and fix the REPERTOIRE first for > the time being, then, go to the variant table. > > The CGP Repertoire seems ready soon …. > > FYI. > > > > Zhang > > > > *发件人:* KIM Kyongsok [mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com] > *发送时间:* 2015年4月16日 19:47 > *收件人:* hotta(a)jprs.co.jp > *抄送:* Wang Wei; Dongman Lee; Joe Zhang; Wang Wei; Kenny Huang; Yuri; > Yoshiro YONEYA; Zhang Zhoucai; <qichao(a)cnnic.cn>; Zhiwei Yan; > KoreanGP(a)icann.org; ChineseGP(a)icann.org; JapaneseGP(a)icann.org; ? ??; 조성덕; > 신상현; KIM Kyongsok > *主题:* latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? > > > > Dear everybody: > > > > KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. > > > > I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP > variant tables. > > > > Thanks very much in advance. > > > > -- > > 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok > -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok

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Thursday meeting on 16th April
by 王伟 April 16, 2015

April 16, 2015

Dear All I'd like to hold CGP meeting 3PM~4PM Thursday With the help from Mr. QI Chao, we have generated two different repertoire, the original CDNC table (18000+ code points), and a reduced smaller one (13000+ code points) However, compared with JPRS table, the TWO overlapping sets are quite similar. We really need to discuss pros and cons of two different table, and which one should be adopted. Mr. QI, please send out the two EXCEL files of code points to everyone. Thank you! Regards Wang Wei

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Re: [ChineseGP] informal gathering in Dallas and the way forward
by HiroHOTTA April 15, 2015

April 15, 2015

Dear professors, Thank you for your response. Dear all, It's usually not easy (almost imporrisible) for all the important people to gather together. It seems the below are the possible options where at least one important person from KGP can join. Option-a 1 day on 29/April Prof. Lee OK Option-b 1.5 days during 15/May-17/May Prof. Kim OK After hearing from CGP, let's see how we can arrange the dates. Regards, Hiro On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 13:09:20 +0900 Dongman Lee <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr> wrote: > Hmm.. I'm sorry to say that I'll be in the USA for a business trip. So the 1st option only works for me. April 29th works best for me. > > Regards, > > Dongman > > 2015-04-10 ?? 12:25? KIM Kyongsok ?(?) ? ?: > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 12:16 PM, HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp > <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > It seems difficult for us to move without specific > > proposal on the date/time and venue. > > Let me narrow down the options regarding CJK meeting. > > > > date/time > > 1st option : 1.5 days during 28/April - 30/April > > 2nd option : 1.5 days during 15/May - 17/May > > > > > > For me, > > > > 1st option is not good: I have a meeting and a class. > > 2nd option seems good although it includes a weekend. > > > > Thanks. > > > > KIM, K. > > > > > > venue > > Seoul > > > > Either of the above options works for 3 JGP > > representatives. > > > > I hope CGP and KGP can send representatives to either > > of the above options. > > Looking forward to your response. > > > > Regards, > > Hiro > > > > > > On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 08:54:17 +0900 > > Dongman Lee <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr <mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>> wrote: > > > Hiro, > > > > > > First of all, I fully agree with you on having a meeting before > > the next ICANN meeting. Thanks for a kind and excellent suggestion > > of Seoul as a meeting location. I will check with KISA. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dongman > > > > > > ?? iPhone?? ?? > > > > > > 2015. 4. 3. ?? 12:12 HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp > > <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> ??: > > > > > > > Hi, CJK colleagues, > > > > > > > > There's a proposal to meet (has a panel) in Macau in June. > > > > > > > > However, I think it's definitely better for CJK to meet in late > > > > April or early May, which is well before Buenos Aires ICANN > > > > Meeting. I proposed that to this mailing list, to propel our > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > I haven't heard from anyone from CGP/KGP about my proposal. > > > > > > > > I know it's difficult for KGP to join the meeting, so it may > > be better > > > > for CJK to meet in Korea. > > > > May I have your opinion on this? > > > > > > > > Hiro > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 06:05:00 +0900 > > > > HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> wrote: > > > >> Dear CGP/JGP/KGP members, > > > >> > > > >> Thank you for those of you who could make the informal gathering > > > >> on March 22 in Dallas happened. > > > >> > > > >> Let me report you about its results as one of the attendees of > > > >> the gathering. > > > >> > > > >> <report from the gathering> > > > >> > > > >> Three from CGP (including its Chair) and two from JGP (including > > > >> its Chair) made a sincere in-depth discussion on how to proceed > > > >> the script-wise LGR generation and the coordination among CJK. > > > >> Based on JGP's strawman proposal explained as a starter of the > > > >> gathering, they discussed about the framework, algorithm, and > > > >> their pros and cons. The proposed framework inherits the concept > > > >> of Dr. Zhang's definition that was sent to some members of > > > >> CGP/JGP/KGP including all three GP Chairs on March 10, 2015. The > > > >> attendees of the gathering there tentatively agreed JGP's > > > >> proposal with some small improvements. > > > >> > > > >> Following the gathering, the attendees agreed that > > > >> - CGP would continue working on its revised (reduced) LGR > > > >> definition (outcome expected to come up in mid-April) > > > >> - JGP would share its experimental draft LGR with CGP (in a > > > >> couple of days) for CGP/JGP to ensure that the strawman > > > >> proposal would work appropriately from technical perspective > > > >> and from script community perspective. > > > >> - JGP will work on the improvement of the proposal (in a week) > > > >> > > > >> Of course, CGP and JGP are and will be ready to share their above > > > >> output among CGP/JGP/KGP after necessary amendment in due course. > > > >> > > > >> <meeting proposal : expected to be agreed in some form> > > > >> > > > >> Now seeing that the informal process in each GP is advancing, I'd > > > >> like to propose a CGP/JGP/KGP coordination meeting in late April > > > >> - before mid May at the latest. > > > >> > > > >> May I have opinions on this CJK meeting proposal from > > CGP/JGP/KGP? > > > >> Especially about the feasibility, dates, and venue. > > > >> > > > >> Regards, > > > >> Hiro Hotta, JGP Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ? ?? KIM, Kyongsok > > > -- Dongman Lee, PhD > Head, Graduate School of Culture Technology > Professor, Department of Computer Science > KAIST > 291 Daehak-ro, Yuseong-gu > Daejon 305-701 > KOREA > > E-mail: dlee(a)kaist.ac.kr > Web: http://cds.kaist.ac.kr/cdsn/DongmanLee > Tel: +82-42-350-2901/3559 > HP: +82-10-3412-1387 >

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Thursday meeting on 16th April
by Sarmad Hussain April 14, 2015

April 14, 2015

Chinese GP meeting on Thursday 16 April @ 3pm Beijing Time (0700 UTC). Agenda: See email by Wang Wei below. Adobe Connect �C IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: List of International Dial In Numbers: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=4054049491&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 4054049491 _____________________________________________ From: ��ΰ [mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:07 PM To: ChineseGP(a)icann.org<mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> Cc: Sarmad Hussain Subject: Thursday meeting on 16th April Dear All I'd like to hold CGP meeting 3PM~4PM Thursday With the help from Mr. QI Chao, we have generated two different repertoire, the original CDNC table (18000+ code points), and a reduced smaller one (13000+ code points) However, compared with JPRS table, the TWO overlapping sets are quite similar. We really need to discuss pros<http://cn.bing.com/dict/search?q=pros&FORM=BDVSP6&mkt=zh-cn> and<http://cn.bing.com/dict/search?q=and&FORM=BDVSP6&mkt=zh-cn> cons<http://cn.bing.com/dict/search?q=cons&FORM=BDVSP6&mkt=zh-cn>! of two different table, and which one should be adopted. Mr. QI, please send out the two EXCEL files of code points to everyone. Thank you! Regards Wang Wei

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Re: [ChineseGP] informal gathering in Dallas and the way forward
by HiroHOTTA April 10, 2015

April 10, 2015

Dear all, It seems difficult for us to move without specific proposal on the date/time and venue. Let me narrow down the options regarding CJK meeting. date/time 1st option : 1.5 days during 28/April - 30/April 2nd option : 1.5 days during 15/May - 17/May venue Seoul Either of the above options works for 3 JGP representatives. I hope CGP and KGP can send representatives to either of the above options. Looking forward to your response. Regards, Hiro On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 08:54:17 +0900 Dongman Lee <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr> wrote: > Hiro, > > First of all, I fully agree with you on having a meeting before the next ICANN meeting. Thanks for a kind and excellent suggestion of Seoul as a meeting location. I will check with KISA. > > Regards, > > Dongman > > ?? iPhone?? ?? > > 2015. 4. 3. ?? 12:12 HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp> ??: > > > Hi, CJK colleagues, > > > > There's a proposal to meet (has a panel) in Macau in June. > > > > However, I think it's definitely better for CJK to meet in late > > April or early May, which is well before Buenos Aires ICANN > > Meeting. I proposed that to this mailing list, to propel our > > discussion. > > > > I haven't heard from anyone from CGP/KGP about my proposal. > > > > I know it's difficult for KGP to join the meeting, so it may be better > > for CJK to meet in Korea. > > May I have your opinion on this? > > > > Hiro > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 06:05:00 +0900 > > HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp> wrote: > >> Dear CGP/JGP/KGP members, > >> > >> Thank you for those of you who could make the informal gathering > >> on March 22 in Dallas happened. > >> > >> Let me report you about its results as one of the attendees of > >> the gathering. > >> > >> <report from the gathering> > >> > >> Three from CGP (including its Chair) and two from JGP (including > >> its Chair) made a sincere in-depth discussion on how to proceed > >> the script-wise LGR generation and the coordination among CJK. > >> Based on JGP's strawman proposal explained as a starter of the > >> gathering, they discussed about the framework, algorithm, and > >> their pros and cons. The proposed framework inherits the concept > >> of Dr. Zhang's definition that was sent to some members of > >> CGP/JGP/KGP including all three GP Chairs on March 10, 2015. The > >> attendees of the gathering there tentatively agreed JGP's > >> proposal with some small improvements. > >> > >> Following the gathering, the attendees agreed that > >> - CGP would continue working on its revised (reduced) LGR > >> definition (outcome expected to come up in mid-April) > >> - JGP would share its experimental draft LGR with CGP (in a > >> couple of days) for CGP/JGP to ensure that the strawman > >> proposal would work appropriately from technical perspective > >> and from script community perspective. > >> - JGP will work on the improvement of the proposal (in a week) > >> > >> Of course, CGP and JGP are and will be ready to share their above > >> output among CGP/JGP/KGP after necessary amendment in due course. > >> > >> <meeting proposal : expected to be agreed in some form> > >> > >> Now seeing that the informal process in each GP is advancing, I'd > >> like to propose a CGP/JGP/KGP coordination meeting in late April > >> - before mid May at the latest. > >> > >> May I have opinions on this CJK meeting proposal from CGP/JGP/KGP? > >> Especially about the feasibility, dates, and venue. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Hiro Hotta, JGP Chair > > > > >

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informal gathering in Dallas and the way forward
by HiroHOTTA April 2, 2015

April 2, 2015

Dear CGP/JGP/KGP members, Thank you for those of you who could make the informal gathering on March 22 in Dallas happened. Let me report you about its results as one of the attendees of the gathering. <report from the gathering> Three from CGP (including its Chair) and two from JGP (including its Chair) made a sincere in-depth discussion on how to proceed the script-wise LGR generation and the coordination among CJK. Based on JGP's strawman proposal explained as a starter of the gathering, they discussed about the framework, algorithm, and their pros and cons. The proposed framework inherits the concept of Dr. Zhang's definition that was sent to some members of CGP/JGP/KGP including all three GP Chairs on March 10, 2015. The attendees of the gathering there tentatively agreed JGP's proposal with some small improvements. Following the gathering, the attendees agreed that - CGP would continue working on its revised (reduced) LGR definition (outcome expected to come up in mid-April) - JGP would share its experimental draft LGR with CGP (in a couple of days) for CGP/JGP to ensure that the strawman proposal would work appropriately from technical perspective and from script community perspective. - JGP will work on the improvement of the proposal (in a week) Of course, CGP and JGP are and will be ready to share their above output among CGP/JGP/KGP after necessary amendment in due course. <meeting proposal : expected to be agreed in some form> Now seeing that the informal process in each GP is advancing, I'd like to propose a CGP/JGP/KGP coordination meeting in late April - before mid May at the latest. May I have opinions on this CJK meeting proposal from CGP/JGP/KGP? Especially about the feasibility, dates, and venue. Regards, Hiro Hotta, JGP Chair

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