June 2017 - Accountability-Cross-Community

RES: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Fwd: Caption Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for Jurisdiction Meeting #35 - 14 June 2017
by Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira June 15, 2017

June 15, 2017

Dear Greg, I'm afraid I'll have to challenge your suggestion that two full meetings were devoted to considering the terms of the decision supposedly arrived at in the very last minutes of yesterday's call. We moved from debating a proposal of yours to have a question you drafted submitted to the plenary, then past that question to a table where different approaches were gathered, and then to another table. At no point did we really consider the different approaches nor their substance, nor did you as rapporteur ensure that objections or support for the different approaches were tested and noted. Then, it was only in the very last minutes of yesterday's call that the formulation suggested by Thomas first appeared, who seemed to argue it was in line with Avri's suggestion in the previous meeting, and, because of that, that it would have garnered some support. Now, we all saw that the formulation does not reflect what Avri really said, so not even with a stretch of imagination it is accurate to affirm that the decision was arrived at after discussion. The expedite (not to say expedient) manner in which that proposal was presented and assumed to reflect consensus is quite worrying. In the interest of not having a "minority" statement that would later reveal to be a "majority" statement, I assume the best course of action would be to subject to the scrutiny of the Subgroup what was raised and supposedly decided during the last minutes of yesterday's call, in a transparent way, with clear deadlines for reactions, and only then validate any decision. Best, Thiago ________________________________ De: ws2-jurisdiction-bounces(a)icann.org [ws2-jurisdiction-bounces(a)icann.org] em nome de Greg Shatan [gregshatanipc(a)gmail.com] Enviado: quinta-feira, 15 de junho de 2017 18:27 Para: ws2-jurisdiction Assunto: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Fwd: [CCWG-ACCT] Caption Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for Jurisdiction Meeting #35 - 14 June 2017 Jurisdiction Subgroup Members, As noted below, after two full meetings devoted to the topic, the Subgroup arrived at a decision (excerpted verbatim from the transcript in the email below). For convenience, here it is again: We have concluded that the Jurisdiction sub-group will take California jurisdiction as a base line for all its recommendations, and that the sub-team not pursue recommendations to change ICANN's jurisdiction of incorporation, location of headquarters or seek immunity for ICANN. With this decision we are recognizing that there is no possibility that there would be consensus for an immunity based concept or a change of place of incorporation. As such I would establish in the minutes of this call that we focus on the solution that gets most traction. Recognizing that this does not eliminate, as I think Avri said during last week's call, that we can discuss all issues that might arise during the deliberations. But that we actually focus on the status quo being California law and place of incorporation. and work on solutions that are founded on this. Opposition was noted from four participants on the call (including one who left before the end, but had made his position clear. This decision will now be referred to the Plenary, consistent with CCWG procedures. With this, I believe that it is imperative that we return to and focus on identifying potential issues, deciding whether these are in fact issues within our remit, discussing those issues and making recommendations for resolving those issues. Greg ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: MSSI Secretariat <mssi-secretariat(a)icann.org<mailto:mssi-secretariat@icann.org>> Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:46 PM Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Caption Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for Jurisdiction Meeting #35 - 14 June 2017 To: CCWG Accountability <accountability-cross-community(a)icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Cc: "ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org<mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org>" <ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org<mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org>> Hello all, The caption notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #35– 14 June 2017 will be available here: https://community.icann.org/x/GSDwAw A copy of the action items and raw caption notes may be found below. With kind regards, Brenda Brewer, Projects & Operations Assistant Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives (MSSI) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) [cid:image001.png@01D2E5D5.73E41D50] Skype: brenda.brewer.icann Phone: 1-310-745-1107<tel:(310)%20745-1107> Raw Captioning Notes Please note that these are the unofficial transcript. Official transcript will be posted 2-3 days after the call * Word Doc<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66068505/Jurisdicton_0614I…> * PDF<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66068505/Jurisdiction_0614…> Decisions: * Thomas Rickert for the CCWG-Accountability Co-Chairs, We have concluded that the Jurisdiction sub-group will take Californian jurisdiction as a base line for all its recommendations, and that the sub-team not pursue recommendations to change ICANN's jurisdiction of incorporation, location of headquarters or seek immunity for ICANN. With this decision we are recognizing that there is no possibility that there would be consensus for an immunity based concept or a change of place of incorporation. As such I would establish in the minutes of this call that we focus on the solution that gets most traction. Recognizing that this does not eliminate, as I think Avri said during last week's call, that we can discuss all issues that might arise during the deliberations. But that we actually focus on the status quo being Californian law and place of incorporation. and work on solutions that are founded on this. Action Items: * (none) Requests: * (none) _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community(a)icann.org<mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community

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Caption Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for Jurisdiction Meeting #35 - 14 June 2017
by MSSI Secretariat June 15, 2017

June 15, 2017

Hello all, The caption notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #35– 14 June 2017 will be available here: https://community.icann.org/x/GSDwAw A copy of the action items and raw caption notes may be found below. With kind regards, Brenda Brewer, Projects & Operations Assistant Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives (MSSI) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) [cid:image001.png@01D2E5D5.73E41D50] Skype: brenda.brewer.icann Phone: 1-310-745-1107 Raw Captioning Notes Please note that these are the unofficial transcript. Official transcript will be posted 2-3 days after the call * Word Doc<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66068505/Jurisdicton_0614I…> * PDF<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66068505/Jurisdiction_0614…> Decisions: * Thomas Rickert for the CCWG-Accountability Co-Chairs, We have concluded that the Jurisdiction sub-group will take Californian jurisdiction as a base line for all its recommendations, and that the sub-team not pursue recommendations to change ICANN's jurisdiction of incorporation, location of headquarters or seek immunity for ICANN. With this decision we are recognizing that there is no possibility that there would be consensus for an immunity based concept or a change of place of incorporation. As such I would establish in the minutes of this call that we focus on the solution that gets most traction. Recognizing that this does not eliminate, as I think Avri said during last week's call, that we can discuss all issues that might arise during the deliberations. But that we actually focus on the status quo being Californian law and place of incorporation. and work on solutions that are founded on this. Action Items: * (none) Requests: * (none)

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Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Caption Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for Jurisdiction Meeting #35 - 14 June 2017
by Jorge.Cancio＠bakom.admin.ch June 15, 2017

June 15, 2017

Dear Greg and all, Sorry to see that another call was lost in preempting hypothetical remedies, before even a full discussion about the issues has taken place (some of the inputs to the questionnaire have not even been presented yet - and the cases are far from having been finalised). Especially the issue of taylor-made protections against unwarranted interference would merit a real debate. But after several attempts to foreclose some quite improbable scenarios it seems that this preemptive action has succeeded, albeit in awkward circumstances. I personally feel that the approach I propose(d) -which is what we had agreed before after initial debates- would have been much more efficient in our time-management, would have followed the logical order of analyzing first issues and -being factual and objective- would have avoided this absolutely unnecessary divisiveness. Hope that we may at last return to substantive discussions soon and that the Plenary is wise enough not to close the door to considering sensible, commonly agreed solutions, if our future analysis of the issues reveals them appropriate. kind regards Jorge ________________________________ Von: MSSI Secretariat <mssi-secretariat(a)icann.org> Datum: 15. Juni 2017 um 19:47:01 MESZ An: CCWG Accountability <accountability-cross-community(a)icann.org> Cc: ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org <ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org> Betreff: [CCWG-ACCT] Caption Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for Jurisdiction Meeting #35 - 14 June 2017 Hello all, The caption notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #35– 14 June 2017 will be available here: https://community.icann.org/x/GSDwAw A copy of the action items and raw caption notes may be found below. With kind regards, Brenda Brewer, Projects & Operations Assistant Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives (MSSI) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) [cid:image001.png@01D2E5D5.73E41D50] Skype: brenda.brewer.icann Phone: 1-310-745-1107 Raw Captioning Notes Please note that these are the unofficial transcript. Official transcript will be posted 2-3 days after the call * Word Doc<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66068505/Jurisdicton_0614I…> * PDF<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66068505/Jurisdiction_0614…> Decisions: * Thomas Rickert for the CCWG-Accountability Co-Chairs, We have concluded that the Jurisdiction sub-group will take Californian jurisdiction as a base line for all its recommendations, and that the sub-team not pursue recommendations to change ICANN's jurisdiction of incorporation, location of headquarters or seek immunity for ICANN. With this decision we are recognizing that there is no possibility that there would be consensus for an immunity based concept or a change of place of incorporation. As such I would establish in the minutes of this call that we focus on the solution that gets most traction. Recognizing that this does not eliminate, as I think Avri said during last week's call, that we can discuss all issues that might arise during the deliberations. But that we actually focus on the status quo being Californian law and place of incorporation. and work on solutions that are founded on this. Action Items: * (none) Requests: * (none)

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Caption notes, recordings and transcript for Diversity Subgroup Meeting #25 | 15 June 2017
by MSSI Secretariat June 15, 2017

June 15, 2017

Hello all, The raw caption notes, recordings (in English, French & Spanish) and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 Diversity Subgroup Meeting #25 – 15 June 2017 will be available here: https://community.icann.org/x/GiHwAw. A copy of the notes are attached to this email and also may be found below. Thank you. Kind Regards, Yvette Guigneaux (MSSI) Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives Projects & Operations Assistant. ICANN – Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers Email: yvette.guigneaux(a)icann.org Cell: +1-310-460-8432 Skype: yvette.guigneaux.icann www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org/> [cid:image002.png@01D2E5DB.0670F3F0] ________________________________ Raw Captioning Notes - Please note that these are the unofficial transcript. Official transcript will be posted 2-3 days after the call · Word Doc<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66068762/6-15-17%20ICANNdi…> · PDF<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66068762/6-15-17%20ICANNdi…> Documents * Consolidated Comments_ Diversity Questionnaire<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66068762/Consolidated%20Co…>

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CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Approval Process for WS2 Recommendations - Approved
by Bernard Turcotte June 14, 2017

June 14, 2017

All, As per our email of of 2 June we have received no objections to completing the second reading of the Approval Process for WS2 Recommendations online. Therefore the Approval Process for WS2 Recommendations has now been approved. Thank You. Bernard Turcotte ICANN Staff Support to the CCWG-Accountability-WS2.

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CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Letters-Mathieu Weill_Thank You
by Bernard Turcotte June 14, 2017

June 14, 2017

All, As requested at our last plenary we have sent the attached letter to thank Mathieu Weill for his service to the CCWG-Accountability. The letter was presented to him at a dinner in his honour in Paris last week. Bernard Turcotte ICANN Staff Support to the CCWG-Accountability-WS2.

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CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Plenary June 21 1300UTC - Cancelled
by Bernard Turcotte June 14, 2017

June 14, 2017

All, Please note that the plenary meeting scheduled for Wednesday 21 June 1300 has been cancelled. The next plenary meeting will be the face to face meeting Sunday 25 June 08:30 in Johannesburg. The Agenda for this meeting will be distributed with the materials Monday 19 June. Please note that materials for the 25 June plenary are, as usual, due Monday 19 June 23:59UTC. Thank You Bernard Turcotte ICANN Support Staff to the CCWG-Accountability-WS2

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Caption notes, recordings and transcript for Reviewing the CEP Subgroup Meeting #5 – 13 June
by MSSI Secretariat June 13, 2017

June 13, 2017

Hello all, The raw caption notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 Reviewing the CEP Subgroup Meeting #5 – 13 June 2017 will be available here: https://community.icann.org/x/NoXRAw A copy of the raw caption notes and action items may be found below. Thank you. With kind regards, Brenda Brewer, Projects & Operations Assistant Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives (MSSI) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) [cid:image001.png@01D2E439.17CC4EE0] Skype: brenda.brewer.icann Phone: 1-310-745-1107 Action Items: * EM to contact DM regarding impact of CEP vs IRP timelines * EM to develop initial version of 2 pager for plenary for end of the week. Raw Captioning Notes (Note: These these are the unofficial transcripts. Official transcripts will be posted 2-3 days after the call) * Word Doc<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64062774/CEP_0613ICANN1300…> * PDF<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64062774/CEP_0613ICANN1300…> Decisions: * None Requests: * None Documents Presented * CEP Meeting 4<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64062774/CEPMeeting4%20%28…> * CEP Two-Pager Working Doc<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64062774/CEPTwo-PagerWorki…> * Notes from CEP Meeting June 6th<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64062774/Notes%20from%20CE…> Next Meeting: * None scheduled

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Caption Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for IRP-IOT Meeting #24 - 12 June 2017
by MSSI Secretariat June 12, 2017

June 12, 2017

Hello all, The caption notes, recordings and transcripts for the IRP-IOT Meeting #24 on 12 June 2017 will be available here: https://community.icann.org/x/-wTwAw A copy of the action items, decisions and raw caption notes may be found below. With kind regards, Brenda Brewer, Projects & Operations Assistant Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives (MSSI) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers [cid:image001.png@01D2E390.3CCED770] Action Items: * Staff – Update public comment sign-up sheet to include columns for First and Second Readings (completed). * Liz Le – Provide additions to Joinder issue within the next week. * DM – Make request on list for first reading approval of Consensus Policy resolution of comment. Raw Caption Notes* *Raw Caption Notes are the unofficial transcript. Official transcript will be posted 2-3 days after the call * Word Doc<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66061567/RP-IOT_6-12-17%20…> * PDF<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66061567/IRP-IOT_6-12-17%2…> Decisions: * Joinder Issue – Not ready for second reading. * Timing issue (120 days from being aware and no repose) – Approved for second reading. * Ongoing Monitoring issue (including ongoing need for the IOT) – needs further work on list. * Consensus Policy – take it to the list for first reading. Requests: * Participants – Sign up for analyzing a public comment issues.

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Notes, recordings and transcript for Diversity Subgroup Meeting #24 | 08 June 2017
by MSSI Secretariat June 9, 2017

June 9, 2017

Hello all, The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 Diversity Subgroup Meeting #24 – 08 June 2017 will be available here: https://community.icann.org/x/DSHwAw A copy of the action items and notes may be found below. Thank you. Kind Regards, Yvette Guigneaux (MSSI) Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives Projects & Operations Assistant. ICANN – Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers Email: yvette.guigneaux(a)icann.org Cell: +1-310-460-8432 Skype: yvette.guigneaux.icann www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org/> [cid:image002.png@01D2E11B.A9601A60] ________________________________ Raw Captioning Notes - Please note that these are the unofficial transcript. Official transcript will be posted 2-3 days after the call (The notes are also attached in both pdf and word format to this email) · Word Doc<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66068749/6-8-17%20ICANN%20…> · PDF<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66068749/6-8-17%20ICANN%20…> Decisions: * (none) Action Items: * Staff – To send a reminder to the community to provide responses to the questionnaire. * Drafting Team – circulate an updated draft based on the results of the questionnaire responses so far. Requests: * Participants should comment the report.

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