October 2009 - ALAC - lists.icann.org

"placeholder" reps not placeholders?
by Beau Brendler Nov. 1, 2009

Nov. 1, 2009

By the way, is it true what I heard that the three newly appointed GNSO people have now been hard-wired in to two-year terms? I don't really see a constituency model working under those circumstances. Who's going to join a constituency if they have to wait two years to be able to directly elect a representative? No consumer group I am aware of is going to want to do that. -----Original Message----- >From: Andrés Piazza <investigaciones(a)densi.com.ar> >Sent: Oct 15, 2009 7:04 AM >To: James Seng <james(a)seng.sg>, alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, William Drake <william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch> >Cc: ALAC Working List <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, At-Large Worldwide <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] ALAC-NCUC > > >If it's a dinner, drink or whatever I'll join.. > >Sent from BlackBerry® > >-----Original Message----- >From: James Seng <james(a)seng.sg> >Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:46:19 >To: William Drake<william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch> >Cc: ALAC Working List<alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>; At-Large Worldwide<at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [ALAC] ALAC-NCUC > >Milton spoke to me a while ago and mentioned there are some issues wrt >to NCUC lately. > >I do not know the exact details yet but I am all ears to learn more. > >So if we can arrange something on Monday night, I would definitely be joining. > >-James Seng > >On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:47 PM, William Drake ><william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> No formal meeting between ALAC and NCUC has been set for Seoul, which to me >> is a pity but whatever. However, that doesn't mean that interested folks >> can't get together for more informal chatting about mutual concerns and >> such. At the moment NCUC has nothing programmed for Monday night, don't >> know about ALAC. Might anyone here be available for a drink at day's end, >> or even dinner? If so I'm sure we can rustle up a good NCUC contingent. >> >> Best, >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *********************************************************** >> William J. Drake >> Senior Associate >> Centre for International Governance >> Graduate Institute of International and >> Development Studies >> Geneva, Switzerland >> william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch >> www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html >> *********************************************************** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >> ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac >> > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac >_______________________________________________ >At-Large mailing list >At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.ican… > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org

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Re: [ALAC] At-Large Performance Management Proposal
by Carlton Samuels Oct. 29, 2009

Oct. 29, 2009

I started out in our ALAC & Regional Leadership Working Session at Seoul giving reasons why I have grave reservations about this performance management process. First, it seems like work. And quite frankly if we're going to make this "like work", then it disturbs the fundamental framework of our engagement; a voluntary group giving what they give because of interest. I know. Some folks think it is the "free" travel that that is honey. I personally find that offensive since a) I work for fee and when I participate it is an opportunity cost, my account b) I've traveled for work almost 2 million air miles to all continents since I have been working and if I never travel for a mile for ICANN-related matters, I would be on an airplane way too often for my loved ones. Then again, I prefer my own bed. If you all interested, I will share my travel itinerary for the past 2 months and the next 2 months! Second, even as it allows that we come to the ICANN agenda with different experiences and different assumptions, the logic of this undermines all of those facts and the reasonable expectations that any thoughtful examination of the implications from assessment would have provided; we will not all be A1 and top of the class, even after we sit the bench for a time. Third, this proposal posits the ALAC, en banc, as the jury, court of originating jurisdiction and the court of appeal. That is offensive to equity, probably immoral and fundamentally unfair. Fourth, this assumes that we all have the same interests, even those who are elected to propel regional interests; this rubbishes the original anticipation for regional representation. I will give an example. There is no compelling regional or Caribbean interest in IDNs. So, quite frankly, it does not do those who represent the region any good with their constituents to be known as the "go-to" guy for IDN matters on ALAC! Take myself, for example. If you troll the lists, you will see very little from me on IDNs. So when that issue was hot and heavy, I could be deemed as non-performing. The way I deal with this issue is to let myself be guided by those with the compelling interest, those that I trust and those that I think have spent the time to educate themselves on the issues and so prepared to speak authoritatively. My light was Hong and now, James. So if ever I am called in a division, I will likely take counsel from them and vote with them. Fifth, RALOs were designed to be independent entities raised to give advice to ICANN thru ALAC, en banc; RALO-appointed members were not intended to "take the whip" of ALAC. So the proposal sounds dangerously like the ALAC seeking to impose its will on the RALO. Let me explain. What if ALAC - at least the majority part of it - decides that some RALO-approved member is a dud and send this message back to the RALO of the offending member. And what if the RALO, having gravely considered the matter, decide there is nothing there and responds, "go fly a kite"? What then? Will the ALAC deny a seat at the table to the member in question? Closer to home, what does ALAC do when an advisory to the Board is not accepted, much less acknowledged? Sixth, the proposal makes a very good case why statistics taken in their purest form is good but hardly sufficient to assess performance. So far, so good. Then it conflates the question of high performance versus low performance and bring back statistics as a definitive indicator of poor performance. The internal inconsistency is writ large, usually meaning a wholesale rejection. I support and applaud the development of JDs. I cannot support *this* performance measurement proposal. It is good enough for members who is underwhelmed by another's performance to send a message. This then becomes a perfect opportunity for intervention by an *aware* Rapporteur. And by the way, mediating non-performing membership was one of the original ideas proffered for the Ex-Com and the PRINCIPAL reason why I supported it then; this was the price I thought manageable to act in any way to limit the deliberative rights of another ALAC member. Finally, an analogy. I have a mango tree in my yard. Son of a gun, some years it gives us a good crop of very sweet mangoes, other years not so good. In the years that it is not at peak performance, I am inclined to cut it back, even to chop it down altogether. But my mother, bless her heart, would have none of it. Because, she says, it provides shade! I'm about good fruit..and she sees shade as equally valuable. Let the matter rest at JDs and declare victory. Kind regards, Carlton On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:25 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca>wrote: > The ALAC has now adopted the Position Description (PD) for ALAC members and > Liaisons (http://tinyurl.com/ALAC-PD) Despite satisfaction that it has > been approved, I must admit some disappointment at the low voter turnout. > > I now submit the following discussion paper on how to ensure that the PD is > effective. > > The document is based on the principles I presented in Sydney and modified > based on the comments received prior to and at that meeting. It has also > drawn very significantly from the policy proposed by Carlos Aguirre. > > This document will be presented and discussed on Tuesday in Seoul, with the > intent of deciding on the principles and to be followed soon thereafter with > a formal policy for discussion and approval. > > Any comments via e-mail or in person received sufficiently prior to the > meeting will be incorporated in the presentation. > > A machine-translated version in French and Spanish will be sent soon. > > Alan > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac >

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Proposal for a Board Advisory on new gTLDs
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 29, 2009

Oct. 29, 2009

For a long time, I have been advocating not trying to solve all of the gTLD problems but rather releasing categories of gTLDs where the problems can be readily addressed (either because of the type of gTLD or because the applicant is willing to agree to sepecific measures to address the potential problems. This has typically been a VERY unpopular position to take in public. At this meeting, in both public and private discussions, the concept is receiving wide acceptance. Is there an interest in quickly putting forth a position that we advocate such methodology and are willing to work with other parts of ICANN to put in place such categories and allow ICANN to QUICKLY allow applications for some classes of TLDs (and I would support including IDN and small cultural TLDs as well as city TLD (the latter only if they are willing to put in place strong controls to inhibit abuse). Alan

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IDN ccTLD Fast Track
by James Seng Oct. 26, 2009

Oct. 26, 2009

Just finish IDN ccTLD Fast Track. Quick Summary: 1. If all thing goes well, ICANN will start accepting application from 16th Nov 2009 onwards. They expect about 50 or so applications. 2. The issues of variants seem resolved. ccTLD will get their variants one way or another. [Altho not said in the public forum, I understand that China is still not quite happy with the handling of the variant, as a matter of "principles"] So unless for some odd reasons the Board decided not to approve it on Friday, IDN ccTLD Fast Track should be starting soon. -James Seng

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DNSSEC Education for TLD managers
by Patrick Vande Walle Oct. 26, 2009

Oct. 26, 2009

https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?dnssec_education_for_tld_mana… As discussed in yesterday's meeting. I have posted a very first draft text on the wiki. Feel free to comment on it. The goal here is to come up with a more substantial draft text that can be discussed on Thursday. Thanks to all for your input. Patrick

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Re: [ALAC] ALAC-NCUC
by Beau Brendler Oct. 25, 2009

Oct. 25, 2009

Last week, at the ISOC-NY event with Danny Younger, Milton Mueller and me, more than one person in attendance from ISOC encouraged us to put aside our differences and work to a solution on behalf of users. Milton's presentation was very clear and well-received. So as an elected member of at-large, I see it as a responsibility to do what the voters ask. Would be glad to have a drink. Korean shoju is particularly excellent for breaking the ice, and I've never had a hangover from it yet. -----Original Message----- >From: Andrés Piazza <investigaciones(a)densi.com.ar> >Sent: Oct 15, 2009 7:04 AM >To: James Seng <james(a)seng.sg>, alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, William Drake <william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch> >Cc: ALAC Working List <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, At-Large Worldwide <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [ALAC] ALAC-NCUC > > >If it's a dinner, drink or whatever I'll join.. > >Sent from BlackBerry® > >-----Original Message----- >From: James Seng <james(a)seng.sg> >Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:46:19 >To: William Drake<william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch> >Cc: ALAC Working List<alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>; At-Large Worldwide<at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [ALAC] ALAC-NCUC > >Milton spoke to me a while ago and mentioned there are some issues wrt >to NCUC lately. > >I do not know the exact details yet but I am all ears to learn more. > >So if we can arrange something on Monday night, I would definitely be joining. > >-James Seng > >On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:47 PM, William Drake ><william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> No formal meeting between ALAC and NCUC has been set for Seoul, which to me >> is a pity but whatever. However, that doesn't mean that interested folks >> can't get together for more informal chatting about mutual concerns and >> such. At the moment NCUC has nothing programmed for Monday night, don't >> know about ALAC. Might anyone here be available for a drink at day's end, >> or even dinner? If so I'm sure we can rustle up a good NCUC contingent. >> >> Best, >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *********************************************************** >> William J. Drake >> Senior Associate >> Centre for International Governance >> Graduate Institute of International and >> Development Studies >> Geneva, Switzerland >> william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch >> www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html >> *********************************************************** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >> ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac >> > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac

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congratulation
by vivek anannd Oct. 23, 2009

Oct. 23, 2009

My hearty congratulations to Cheryl, Alan and Carlton on their elections as Chair, Vice-chair and Rapporteur as well as Patrick, James, Rudi and Alan as SSAC, IDN, ccNSO and gNSO Liaisons. Dr.V.C.Vivekanandan Professor of Law & Dean Rajiv Gandhi School of Intellectual Property Law Indian Institute of Technology-Kharagpur Ph: +91-322282238 Fax: +91-322282238 mail:dean@rgsoipl.iitkgp.ernet.in/vivekvc2001@yahoo.co.in Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/connectmore

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Seoul Regional Conference on Internet Governance
by William Drake Oct. 23, 2009

Oct. 23, 2009

Hi, Adam has pointed out to me that while the announcement below was sent to the NCUC and IGC (IGF) lists it wasn't here, sorry. So in case anyway is in Seoul on Friday, looking for something to do, and willing to listen to academic blowhards, GigaNet (the Global Internet Governance Academic Network---Milton's the chair and I'm the vice, talk about conspiracies;-) and the Graduate School of Public Administration at Seoul National University will be doing a Regional Conference on Internet Governance at SNU from 14:00-18:00 at SNU. Blowing hard will be folks some of you know---Wolfgang, Rebecca, YJ, MM, myself, and Jisuk Woo, our host and NCUCer---and some you may not. Anyway it's free and open to the public SNU is south of the river, best to take a taxi from downtown as the metro stop's a long walk from the conference site, cost like $10-15 from downtown, I forget. Bill Begin forwarded message: > From: "Jisuk Woo, Ph.D., J.D." <jisuk(a)SNU.AC.KR> > Date: October 21, 2009 2:32:53 PM GMT+09:00 > To: NCUC-DISCUSS(a)LISTSERV.SYR.EDU > Subject: Re: Seoul Regional Conference on Internet Governance (KJPS- > SNU & GigaNet) > Reply-To: "Jisuk Woo, Ph.D., J.D." <jisuk(a)snu.ac.kr> > > Sorry, I forgot to include Bill Drake as one of the participants! > If any of you are interested in joing the conference, please > r.s.v.p., so that we can make your name tag in advance. > > I am attaching a map to the conference site. Thanks! > > Best regards, > > Jisuk > --- Original Message --- > From : "Jisuk Woo, Ph.D., J.D."<jisuk(a)SNU.AC.KR> > To : NCUC-DISCUSS(a)LISTSERV.SYR.EDU > Date : 2009/10/21 수요일 오후 2:26:22 > Subject : [NCUC-DISCUSS] Seoul Regional Conference on Internet > Governance (KJPS-SNU & GigaNet) > > Dear everyone, > > You may probably know already, but I would like to remind you that > there will be a Conference on Internet Governance at Seoul National > University on Oct. 23rd in the afternoon. Any of you who will be in > Seoul at the time are more than welcome to join the conference. > > Participatns include Milton Mueller, Rebecca MacKinnon, YJ Park, > Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Peng Hwa Ang, and Eung Hwi Chun, whom you > must know very well. So I am sure that there will be very > interesting discussions. > > The detailed program is the following. I wish you make a safe trip > to Seoul and enjoy the beautiful autumn here. If any of you get lost > after you arrive or encounter something that is beyond your > expectation and do not know where to turn to, you may give me a call > at 010-3376-3255. > > Best regards, > > Jisuk Woo, Ph.D., J.D. > Associate Professor > Graduate School of Public Administration > Seoul National University > > > > > 우지숙 > 서울대학교 행정대학원 부교수 > Jisuk Woo, Ph.D., J.D. > Associate Professor > Graduate School of Public Administration > Seoul National University > tel: 02-880-5633 > fax: 02-6248-0951 > email: jisuk(a)snu.ac.kr *********************************************************** William J. Drake Senior Associate Centre for International Governance Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies Geneva, Switzerland william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html ***********************************************************

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Re: [ALAC] ALAC/At-Large Performance Management
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 22, 2009

Oct. 22, 2009

At 22/10/2009 09:12 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >Hi Alan, > >The ALAC has now adopted the Position Description (PD) for ALAC >members and Liaisons >(<http://tinyurl.com/ALAC-PD>http://tinyurl.com/ALAC-PD) Despite >satisfaction that it has been approved, I must admit some >disappointment at the low voter turnout. > >I now submit the following discussion paper on how to ensure that >the PD is effective. > > > >Thank you for doing this. > >In my opinion it is even more important that the non-ALAC components >of At-Large -- RALOs, ALSs and individual members (as applicable) -- >engage in this. When ALAC does not show the leaderships its members >were elected and appointed to deliver, it holds us all back. I >applaud this initiative as an important step towards the increased >accountability of ALAC's elected members. > >Now ... if only there was a way to hold the NomComm accountable for >*its* non-performing selections... That's a bit like holding the public accountable for electing a dumb politician! Or maybe not. But seriously, if we start by saying what we actually expect, and then back it up by taking action when things don't work, we should be far better with for NomCom and RALO members. >- Evan > > >PS: Unless you're character-constrained (ie, by using Twitter) I >advise against TinyURL and other URL-shortening services as they >pose significant security risks. By personal practise I won't open >them and it's a big reason my Twitter usage has essentially ended. >Please post the full URL. And if only the wiki would have REASONABLE urls, perhaps I would not be tempted. https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?resolution_on_position_description…

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ALAC/At-Large Performance Management - Translations
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 22, 2009

Oct. 22, 2009

Courtesy of http://www.google.com/translate. No time to format them, but hope they will be useful. Alan

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