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Re: [ALAC] ALAC-NCUC
by Beau Brendler Oct. 25, 2009

Oct. 25, 2009

Last week, at the ISOC-NY event with Danny Younger, Milton Mueller and me, more than one person in attendance from ISOC encouraged us to put aside our differences and work to a solution on behalf of users. Milton's presentation was very clear and well-received. So as an elected member of at-large, I see it as a responsibility to do what the voters ask. Would be glad to have a drink. Korean shoju is particularly excellent for breaking the ice, and I've never had a hangover from it yet. -----Original Message----- >From: Andrés Piazza <investigaciones(a)densi.com.ar> >Sent: Oct 15, 2009 7:04 AM >To: James Seng <james(a)seng.sg>, alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, William Drake <william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch> >Cc: ALAC Working List <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, At-Large Worldwide <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [ALAC] ALAC-NCUC > > >If it's a dinner, drink or whatever I'll join.. > >Sent from BlackBerry® > >-----Original Message----- >From: James Seng <james(a)seng.sg> >Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:46:19 >To: William Drake<william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch> >Cc: ALAC Working List<alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>; At-Large Worldwide<at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [ALAC] ALAC-NCUC > >Milton spoke to me a while ago and mentioned there are some issues wrt >to NCUC lately. > >I do not know the exact details yet but I am all ears to learn more. > >So if we can arrange something on Monday night, I would definitely be joining. > >-James Seng > >On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:47 PM, William Drake ><william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> No formal meeting between ALAC and NCUC has been set for Seoul, which to me >> is a pity but whatever. However, that doesn't mean that interested folks >> can't get together for more informal chatting about mutual concerns and >> such. At the moment NCUC has nothing programmed for Monday night, don't >> know about ALAC. Might anyone here be available for a drink at day's end, >> or even dinner? If so I'm sure we can rustle up a good NCUC contingent. >> >> Best, >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *********************************************************** >> William J. Drake >> Senior Associate >> Centre for International Governance >> Graduate Institute of International and >> Development Studies >> Geneva, Switzerland >> william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch >> www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html >> *********************************************************** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >> ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac >> > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac

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congratulation
by vivek anannd Oct. 23, 2009

Oct. 23, 2009

My hearty congratulations to Cheryl, Alan and Carlton on their elections as Chair, Vice-chair and Rapporteur as well as Patrick, James, Rudi and Alan as SSAC, IDN, ccNSO and gNSO Liaisons. Dr.V.C.Vivekanandan Professor of Law & Dean Rajiv Gandhi School of Intellectual Property Law Indian Institute of Technology-Kharagpur Ph: +91-322282238 Fax: +91-322282238 mail:dean@rgsoipl.iitkgp.ernet.in/vivekvc2001@yahoo.co.in Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/connectmore

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Seoul Regional Conference on Internet Governance
by William Drake Oct. 23, 2009

Oct. 23, 2009

Hi, Adam has pointed out to me that while the announcement below was sent to the NCUC and IGC (IGF) lists it wasn't here, sorry. So in case anyway is in Seoul on Friday, looking for something to do, and willing to listen to academic blowhards, GigaNet (the Global Internet Governance Academic Network---Milton's the chair and I'm the vice, talk about conspiracies;-) and the Graduate School of Public Administration at Seoul National University will be doing a Regional Conference on Internet Governance at SNU from 14:00-18:00 at SNU. Blowing hard will be folks some of you know---Wolfgang, Rebecca, YJ, MM, myself, and Jisuk Woo, our host and NCUCer---and some you may not. Anyway it's free and open to the public SNU is south of the river, best to take a taxi from downtown as the metro stop's a long walk from the conference site, cost like $10-15 from downtown, I forget. Bill Begin forwarded message: > From: "Jisuk Woo, Ph.D., J.D." <jisuk(a)SNU.AC.KR> > Date: October 21, 2009 2:32:53 PM GMT+09:00 > To: NCUC-DISCUSS(a)LISTSERV.SYR.EDU > Subject: Re: Seoul Regional Conference on Internet Governance (KJPS- > SNU & GigaNet) > Reply-To: "Jisuk Woo, Ph.D., J.D." <jisuk(a)snu.ac.kr> > > Sorry, I forgot to include Bill Drake as one of the participants! > If any of you are interested in joing the conference, please > r.s.v.p., so that we can make your name tag in advance. > > I am attaching a map to the conference site. Thanks! > > Best regards, > > Jisuk > --- Original Message --- > From : "Jisuk Woo, Ph.D., J.D."<jisuk(a)SNU.AC.KR> > To : NCUC-DISCUSS(a)LISTSERV.SYR.EDU > Date : 2009/10/21 수요일 오후 2:26:22 > Subject : [NCUC-DISCUSS] Seoul Regional Conference on Internet > Governance (KJPS-SNU & GigaNet) > > Dear everyone, > > You may probably know already, but I would like to remind you that > there will be a Conference on Internet Governance at Seoul National > University on Oct. 23rd in the afternoon. Any of you who will be in > Seoul at the time are more than welcome to join the conference. > > Participatns include Milton Mueller, Rebecca MacKinnon, YJ Park, > Wolfgang Kleinwachter, Peng Hwa Ang, and Eung Hwi Chun, whom you > must know very well. So I am sure that there will be very > interesting discussions. > > The detailed program is the following. I wish you make a safe trip > to Seoul and enjoy the beautiful autumn here. If any of you get lost > after you arrive or encounter something that is beyond your > expectation and do not know where to turn to, you may give me a call > at 010-3376-3255. > > Best regards, > > Jisuk Woo, Ph.D., J.D. > Associate Professor > Graduate School of Public Administration > Seoul National University > > > > > 우지숙 > 서울대학교 행정대학원 부교수 > Jisuk Woo, Ph.D., J.D. > Associate Professor > Graduate School of Public Administration > Seoul National University > tel: 02-880-5633 > fax: 02-6248-0951 > email: jisuk(a)snu.ac.kr *********************************************************** William J. Drake Senior Associate Centre for International Governance Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies Geneva, Switzerland william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html ***********************************************************

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Re: [ALAC] ALAC/At-Large Performance Management
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 22, 2009

Oct. 22, 2009

At 22/10/2009 09:12 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >Hi Alan, > >The ALAC has now adopted the Position Description (PD) for ALAC >members and Liaisons >(<http://tinyurl.com/ALAC-PD>http://tinyurl.com/ALAC-PD) Despite >satisfaction that it has been approved, I must admit some >disappointment at the low voter turnout. > >I now submit the following discussion paper on how to ensure that >the PD is effective. > > > >Thank you for doing this. > >In my opinion it is even more important that the non-ALAC components >of At-Large -- RALOs, ALSs and individual members (as applicable) -- >engage in this. When ALAC does not show the leaderships its members >were elected and appointed to deliver, it holds us all back. I >applaud this initiative as an important step towards the increased >accountability of ALAC's elected members. > >Now ... if only there was a way to hold the NomComm accountable for >*its* non-performing selections... That's a bit like holding the public accountable for electing a dumb politician! Or maybe not. But seriously, if we start by saying what we actually expect, and then back it up by taking action when things don't work, we should be far better with for NomCom and RALO members. >- Evan > > >PS: Unless you're character-constrained (ie, by using Twitter) I >advise against TinyURL and other URL-shortening services as they >pose significant security risks. By personal practise I won't open >them and it's a big reason my Twitter usage has essentially ended. >Please post the full URL. And if only the wiki would have REASONABLE urls, perhaps I would not be tempted. https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?resolution_on_position_description…

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ALAC/At-Large Performance Management - Translations
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 22, 2009

Oct. 22, 2009

Courtesy of http://www.google.com/translate. No time to format them, but hope they will be useful. Alan

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ALAC/At-Large Performance Management
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 22, 2009

Oct. 22, 2009

The ALAC has now adopted the Position Description (PD) for ALAC members and Liaisons (http://tinyurl.com/ALAC-PD) Despite satisfaction that it has been approved, I must admit some disappointment at the low voter turnout. I now submit the following discussion paper on how to ensure that the PD is effective. The document is based on the principles I presented in Sydney and modified based on the comments received prior to and at that meeting. It has also drawn very significantly from the policy proposed by Carlos Aguirre. This document will be presented and discussed on Tuesday in Seoul, with the intent of deciding on the principles and to be followed soon thereafter with a formal policy for discussion and approval. Any comments via e-mail or in person received sufficiently prior to the meeting will be incorporated in the presentation. A machine-translated version in French and Spanish will be sent soon. Alan

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Re: [ALAC] NCUC Response to Board Letter
by Nick Ashton-Hart Oct. 22, 2009

Oct. 22, 2009

Dear Robin: Thanks for your note. Firstly, I think it is important to state that contrary to the subject line of your email, I am not trying to stir up anything. It seems to me that it is not helpful to assume the worst with respect to the motivations of others, as it is my experience that one is likely to be wrong far more often than one is right, which is unfortunately the case here. You and I have known and worked with one another for almost ten years now, much longer than I have been involved in ICANN. During that time, I cannot think of any point at which we have suggested that the other persons motivations were anything other than as stated "on the tin." Having reviewed your letter of 18th August 2009, I note that you have said in your point 3: "Third, because of the danger of locking in a suboptimal structure, we ask you not to approve any new Constítuencies under the SIC and ICANN staff-imposed transitional NCSG charter until the ongoing debates over the status of Constituencies and their role in the NCSG is resolved next year." I think it is therefore fair to say that where I said: "... the NCUC had asked the Board to refrain from approving any new GNSO Constituencies for the two year Non Commercial Stakeholder Group Transition period. ..." I should have said: "... the NCUC had asked the Board to refrain from approving any new GNSO Constituencies until "the ongoing debates over the status of Constituencies and their role in the NCSG is resolved next year"" As that would have precisely quoted you and what you said. I am therefore happy to apologise for the above, which I hope you will accept; I have copied the same two mailing lists that the original email was sent to in order to ensure that everyone who received the original has received this reply. As I think my reply to the NCUC-Discuss list will bounce, I would be glad if you forwarded this note to that list too. On a personal note, I look forward to seeing you in Seoul, and hope your travels are as comfortable as is possible on such a long flight. From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin@ipjustice.org] Sent: 21 October 2009 15:54 To: Nick Ashton-Hart Cc: Alan Greenberg; William Drake; at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; NCUC-DISCUSS(a)LISTSERV.SYR.EDU; Rod Beckstrom Subject: NCUC Response to Board Letter & why is staff trying to stir up trouble again? Nick: I note you mis-state NCUC's position saying that we asked the board for no constituencies to be created for 2 years on the ALAC list: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/at-large_atlarge-lists.icann.org/2… That is simply not true. Staff continuing to repeat these divisive untrue statements, especially after having been told they are wrong is very frustrating and counter-productive to everyone. NCUC was also concerned that the Board believed that untruth since it was in that letter that you mention. Therefore NCUC sent a response to the board to the letter you cite in hopes of clearing up the misperception (that you are trying to re-muddy here). Would you please be so kind as to forward to the ALAC list where you just mis-quoted NCUC's position the attached NCUC response to clear up this misperception? Thank you, Robin

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FW: NCUC Response to Board Letter
by Nick Ashton-Hart Oct. 22, 2009

Oct. 22, 2009

Dear Community members: Robin has reminded me that I didn't forward the PDF containing the NCUC response to the letter referenced in earlier emails; here it is. From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin@ipjustice.org] Sent: 21 October 2009 18:42 To: Nick Ashton-Hart Cc: Alan Greenberg; William Drake; at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; NCUC-DISCUSS(a)LISTSERV.SYR.EDU; Rod Beckstrom; At-Large Advisory Committee Subject: Re: NCUC Response to Board Letter Thank you for your clarification, Nick. I'm sure you did not intend to cause further confusion and perpetuate misperceptions about NCUC's position. I'll ask again: Would you please forward NCUC's letter (attached again) that tries to clear up this misperception to the ALAC list? Thank you, Robin

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by carlos aguirre Oct. 22, 2009

Oct. 22, 2009

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Face-to-Face time requested with CEO Rod Beckstrom in Seoul
by At-Large Staff Oct. 21, 2009

Oct. 21, 2009

Dear Members: It is our sad duty to let you know that we've been informed that it will not be possible to arrange time for Rod Beckstrom to meet with the ALAC during the Seoul meeting. Of course, you will be seeing the members of the Board at breakfast on Thursday morning and we have not heard of any impediment at this time which will prevent his attendance at that time. In the happy circumstance that his schedule opens up, we will of course let you know. --- Regards, At-Large Staff Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella Gruber-White staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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