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Reminder: Meeting Invitation: Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Thursday 21 May 2015 at 13:00 UTC
by Dillon, Chris May 20, 2015

May 20, 2015

Dear colleagues, Please find tomorrow's draft agenda and links to the documents we will be discussing at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/21+May+2015 Draft agenda 1. Welcome 2. Roll call 3. Statements of interest 4. Additional meetings 5. Draft final report v2.1<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/53776333/Public%20comment%…> 6. Public comment review tool (Justine's comments, including scoping)<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/53776333/Public%20comment%…> 7. AOB Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> From: owner-ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg(a)icann.org [mailto:owner-ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: 20 May 2015 06:55 To: ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg(a)icann.org Cc: gnso-secs(a)icann.org Subject: [ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Reminder: Meeting Invitation: Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Thursday 21 May 2015 at 13:00 UTC Dear All, The next Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group teleconference is scheduled for Thursday 21 May 2015 at 1300 UTC 06:00 PDT, 09:00 EDT, 14:00 London, 15:00 CET For other places see:http://tinyurl.com/p2ab96f A calendar invitation will be sent shortly after this email. If you do not receive it, please download the ical invitation attached to this email. Adobe Connect<http://icann.adobeconnect.com/gnsocontactinfopdpwg/> room<http://icann.adobeconnect.com/gnsocontactinfopdpwg/> Mailing list archives<http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg/%20> Wiki page<https://community.icann.org/x/FTR-Ag%20> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page<http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> The dial-in details are below - please let me know if you require a dial-out. Please confirm your dial-out requests GNSO Secretariats gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> _____________________________________________________________________ Participant passcode: CONTACT Dial in numbers: Country Toll Numbers Freephone/ Toll Free Number ARGENTINA 0800-777-0519 AUSTRALIA ADELAIDE: 61-8-8121-4842 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA BRISBANE: 61-7-3102-0944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA CANBERRA: 61-2-6100-1944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA MELBOURNE: 61-3-9010-7713 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA PERTH: 61-8-9467-5223 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA SYDNEY: 61-2-8205-8129 1-800-657-260 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-81-113 0800-005-259 BELGIUM 32-2-400-9861 0800-3-8795 BRAZIL 55-11-3958-0779 0800-7610651 CHILE 1230-020-2863 CHINA CHINA A: 86-400-810-4789 10800-712-1670 CHINA CHINA B: 86-400-810-4789 10800-120-1670 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156474 CROATIA 080-08-06-309 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-64 800-700-177 DENMARK 45-7014-0284 8088-8324 ESTONIA 800-011-1093 FINLAND 358-9-5424-7162 0-800-9-14610 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-70-60-72 080-511-1496 GERMANY 49-69-2222-20362 0800-664-4247 GREECE 30-80-1-100-0687 00800-12-7312 HONG KONG 852-3001-3863 800-962-856 HUNGARY 36-1-700-8856 06-800-12755 INDIA BANGALORE: 91-80-61275204 INDIA MUMBAI: 91-22-61501629 INDIA INDIA A: 000-800-852-1268 INDIA INDIA B: 000-800-001-6305 INDIA INDIA C: 1800-300-00491 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3982 IRELAND 353-1-246-7646 1800-992-368 ISRAEL 1-80-9216162 ITALY MILAN: 39-02-3600-6007 800-986-383 ITALY ROME: 39-06-8751-6018 800-986-383 ITALY TORINO: 39-011-510-0118 800-986-383 JAPAN OSAKA: 81-6-7878-2631 0066-33-132439 JAPAN TOKYO: 81-3-6868-2631 0066-33-132439 LATVIA 8000-3185 LUXEMBOURG 352-27-000-1364 8002-9246 MALAYSIA 1-800-81-3065 MEXICO GUADALAJARA (JAL): 52-33-3208-7310 001-866-376-9696 MEXICO MEXICO CITY: 52-55-5062-9110 001-866-376-9696 MEXICO MONTERREY: 52-81-2482-0610 001-866-376-9696 NETHERLANDS 31-20-718-8588 0800-023-4378 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4771 0800-447-722 NORWAY 47-21-590-062 800-15157 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072065 PERU 0800-53713 PHILIPPINES 63-2-858-3716 1800-111-42453 POLAND 00-800-1212572 PORTUGAL 8008-14052 ROMANIA 40-31-630-01-79 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-0144011 SAUDI ARABIA 800-8-110087 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663 SLOVAK REPUBLIC 421-2-322-422-25 0800-002066 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-80414 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1083 00798-14800-7352 SPAIN 34-91-414-25-33 800-300-053 SWEDEN 46-8-566-19-348 0200-884-622 SWITZERLAND 41-44-580-6398 0800-120-032 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7379 00801-137-797 THAILAND 001-800-1206-66056 TURKEY 00-800-151-0516 UNITED ARAB EMIRATES 8000-35702370 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9025 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3225 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2125 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7108-6370 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1425 0808-238-6029 URUGUAY 000-413-598-3421 USA 1-517-345-9004 866-692-5726 VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-3702 Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew

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Re: [ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Meeting Invitation: Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Thursday 14 May 2015 at 13:00 UTC
by Dillon, Chris May 14, 2015

May 14, 2015

Dear Justine, Thank you for your thorough edits. The scoping question is top priority at the moment and I note at least one to do and one place which needs clarification. Thanks also for your proofreading. I’ll pick all of this up in next week’s meeting. Regards, Chris. == Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon From: Justine Chew <justine.chew(a)gmail.com<mailto:justine.chew@gmail.com>> Date: Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:04 To: "ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Cc: Chris Dillon <c.dillon(a)ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>>, Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick(a)isoc.be<mailto:rudi.vansnick@isoc.be>> Subject: Re: [ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Meeting Invitation: Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Thursday 14 May 2015 at 13:00 UTC Dear Chris, Rudi & colleagues, Firstly, I do apologise for the lateness in this email, been very busy. In response to Chris' invitation during last week's call for final submissions to the Review Tool v.9, please find attached some suggested edits to v.9 for consideration. Thanks, Justine Chew ----- On 8 May 2015 at 01:31, Terri Agnew <terri.agnew(a)icann.org<mailto:terri.agnew@icann.org>> wrote: Dear All, The next Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group teleconference is scheduled for Thursday 14 May 2015 at 1300 UTC 06:00 PDT, 09:00 EDT, 14:00 London, 15:00 CET For other places see:http://tinyurl.com/mxac9yo A calendar invitation will be sent shortly after this email. If you do not receive it, please download the ical invitation attached to this email. Adobe Connect<http://icann.adobeconnect.com/gnsocontactinfopdpwg/> room<http://icann.adobeconnect.com/gnsocontactinfopdpwg/> Mailing list archives<http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg/%20> Wiki page<https://community.icann.org/x/FTR-Ag%20> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page<http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> The dial-in details are below - please let me know if you require a dial-out. Please confirm your dial-out requests GNSO Secretariats gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> _____________________________________________________________________ Participant passcode: CONTACT Dial in numbers: Country Toll Numbers Freephone/ Toll Free Number ARGENTINA 0800-777-0519 AUSTRALIA ADELAIDE: 61-8-8121-4842 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA BRISBANE: 61-7-3102-0944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA CANBERRA: 61-2-6100-1944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA MELBOURNE: 61-3-9010-7713 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA PERTH: 61-8-9467-5223 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA SYDNEY: 61-2-8205-8129 1-800-657-260 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-81-113 0800-005-259 BELGIUM 32-2-400-9861 0800-3-8795 BRAZIL 55-11-3958-0779 0800-7610651 CHILE 1230-020-2863 CHINA CHINA A: 86-400-810-4789 10800-712-1670 CHINA CHINA B: 86-400-810-4789 10800-120-1670 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156474 CROATIA 080-08-06-309 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-64 800-700-177 DENMARK 45-7014-0284 8088-8324 ESTONIA 800-011-1093 FINLAND 358-9-5424-7162 0-800-9-14610 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-70-60-72 080-511-1496 GERMANY 49-69-2222-20362 0800-664-4247 GREECE 30-80-1-100-0687 00800-12-7312 HONG KONG 852-3001-3863 800-962-856 HUNGARY 36-1-700-8856 06-800-12755 INDIA BANGALORE: 91-80-61275204 INDIA MUMBAI: 91-22-61501629 INDIA INDIA A: 000-800-852-1268 INDIA INDIA B: 000-800-001-6305 INDIA INDIA C: 1800-300-00491 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3982 IRELAND 353-1-246-7646 1800-992-368 ISRAEL 1-80-9216162 ITALY MILAN: 39-02-3600-6007 800-986-383 ITALY ROME: 39-06-8751-6018 800-986-383 ITALY TORINO: 39-011-510-0118 800-986-383 JAPAN OSAKA: 81-6-7878-2631 0066-33-132439 JAPAN TOKYO: 81-3-6868-2631 0066-33-132439 LATVIA 8000-3185 LUXEMBOURG 352-27-000-1364 8002-9246 MALAYSIA 1-800-81-3065 MEXICO GUADALAJARA (JAL): 52-33-3208-7310 001-866-376-9696 MEXICO MEXICO CITY: 52-55-5062-9110 001-866-376-9696 MEXICO MONTERREY: 52-81-2482-0610 001-866-376-9696 NETHERLANDS 31-20-718-8588 0800-023-4378 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4771 0800-447-722 NORWAY 47-21-590-062 800-15157 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072065 PERU 0800-53713 PHILIPPINES 63-2-858-3716 1800-111-42453 POLAND 00-800-1212572 PORTUGAL 8008-14052 ROMANIA 40-31-630-01-79 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-0144011 SAUDI ARABIA 800-8-110087 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663 SLOVAK REPUBLIC 421-2-322-422-25 0800-002066 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-80414 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1083 00798-14800-7352 SPAIN 34-91-414-25-33 800-300-053 SWEDEN 46-8-566-19-348 0200-884-622 SWITZERLAND 41-44-580-6398 0800-120-032 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7379 00801-137-797 THAILAND 001-800-1206-66056 TURKEY 00-800-151-0516 UNITED ARAB EMIRATES 8000-35702370 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9025 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3225 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2125 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7108-6370 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1425 0808-238-6029 URUGUAY 000-413-598-3421 USA 1-517-345-9004<tel:1-517-345-9004> 866-692-5726<tel:866-692-5726> VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-3702 Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew

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MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting 07 May 2015
by Terri Agnew May 7, 2015

May 7, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 07 May 2015 at 13:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-07may15-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar Attendees: Chris Dillon - NCSG Jim Galvin - RySG Amr Elsadr - NCUC Sara Bockey - RrSG Justine Chew - Individual Roger Carney - RrSG Apologies: Petter Rindforth - IPC ICANN Staff Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 07 May 2015: Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration PDP Working Group on Thursday, 07th May 2015. Amr Elsadr:Hi Terri. Hi all. Chris Dillon:Hello Amr and everyone Amr Elsadr:Hi Chris. So you'll be on the call then? :) Chris Dillon:This week yes, but not next. Amr Elsadr:Ah. I won't be on next week either. Amr Elsadr:Haven't had a chance to look over the two documents circulated yet. Will try to do that by tomorrow. Amr Elsadr:The public comments (especially from contracted parties) indicate to me that more work is necessary before these recommendations are made. Amr Elsadr:I like the way Chris puts this -- that marking/machine readability is desirable. Justine Chew:Do we have an idea of how much more work is required to consider the marking questions? Amr Elsadr:I'm guessing the marking/machine readability questions concern the user interface with the whois lookup service, not the database. I may be wrong. Sara Bockey:When you say marking do you mean tagging? Amr Elsadr:@Sara: yes, I believe so. Chris Dillon:@Sara: yes Amr Elsadr:@Lars: Not necessarily. Until last week, I wasn't aware that Armenian has its own script. :) Amr Elsadr:Japanese uses different scripts. Amr Elsadr:Hiragana/Katakana + kanji. Justine Chew:@Chris: In response no. 1 what does "There may be a better than "accession"." mean? Amr Elsadr:I would replace it with "aquiring" in trying to understand this, or perhaps ask Volker for clarification. Amr Elsadr:Not sure if this will significantly change our recommendation, though. Justine Chew:Right, so the word "word" is missing from the sentence "There may be a better than "accession". Amr Elsadr:Yes. In the column on the right. :) Sara Bockey:I noticed that the date is wrong on page 4...should be 15 December 2014, right? Amr Elsadr:@Chris: Not sure I understood your comment on page 4. Amr Elsadr:Ah. OK. Thanks. Amr Elsadr:Pascal's SOI doesn't indicate that he is affiliated with any SO/AC. Might be appropriate to list him as an individual. Amr Elsadr:I don't understand that last bullet. :) Justine Chew:Bullet text is drawn from comment no. 70 somewhat. Need to ask IPC. Justine Chew:That would be Petter? Amr Elsadr:So will the WG response to this point also be included in the language of the final report? Amr Elsadr:Again, I'm not sure why we're including the language not in favour of mandatory transformation in the final report. Justine Chew:I think the second last bullet (opposing) isn't really an argument because there is no justification given. Meaning why best placed? Justine Chew:Needs tweaking. Justine Chew:@Chris, so you are still inviting feedback on the review tool? Justine Chew:Very good, thanks! Sara Bockey:thank you everyone Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.

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Documents for tomorrow's meeting: Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Thursday 07 May 2015 at 13:00 UTC
by Dillon, Chris May 6, 2015

May 6, 2015

Dear colleagues, Please find attached version 9 of the Public comment review tool (note especially that the words "not in scope" are frequently used) and the second version of the draft final report for discussion at tomorrow's meeting. With apologies for the late circulation of the documents, Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> From: owner-ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg(a)icann.org [mailto:owner-ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Terri Agnew Sent: 06 May 2015 15:34 To: ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg(a)icann.org Cc: gnso-secs(a)icann.org Subject: [ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] REMINDER: Meeting Invitation: Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Thursday 07 May 2015 at 13:00 UTC Dear All, The next Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group teleconference is scheduled for Thursday 07 May 2015 at 1300 UTC 06:00 PDT, 09:00 EDT, 14:00 London, 15:00 CET For other places see: http://tinyurl.com/psko7zk A calendar invitation will be sent shortly after this email. If you do not receive it, please download the ical invitation attached to this email. Adobe Connect<http://icann.adobeconnect.com/gnsocontactinfopdpwg/> room<http://icann.adobeconnect.com/gnsocontactinfopdpwg/> Mailing list archives<http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg/%20> Wiki page<https://community.icann.org/x/FTR-Ag%20> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page<http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> The dial-in details are below - please let me know if you require a dial-out. Please confirm your dial-out requests GNSO Secretariats gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> _____________________________________________________________________ Participant passcode: CONTACT Dial in numbers: Country Toll Numbers Freephone/ Toll Free Number ARGENTINA 0800-777-0519 AUSTRALIA ADELAIDE: 61-8-8121-4842 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA BRISBANE: 61-7-3102-0944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA CANBERRA: 61-2-6100-1944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA MELBOURNE: 61-3-9010-7713 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA PERTH: 61-8-9467-5223 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA SYDNEY: 61-2-8205-8129 1-800-657-260 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-81-113 0800-005-259 BELGIUM 32-2-400-9861 0800-3-8795 BRAZIL 55-11-3958-0779 0800-7610651 CHILE 1230-020-2863 CHINA CHINA A: 86-400-810-4789 10800-712-1670 CHINA CHINA B: 86-400-810-4789 10800-120-1670 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156474 CROATIA 080-08-06-309 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-64 800-700-177 DENMARK 45-7014-0284 8088-8324 ESTONIA 800-011-1093 FINLAND 358-9-5424-7162 0-800-9-14610 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-70-60-72 080-511-1496 GERMANY 49-69-2222-20362 0800-664-4247 GREECE 30-80-1-100-0687 00800-12-7312 HONG KONG 852-3001-3863 800-962-856 HUNGARY 36-1-700-8856 06-800-12755 INDIA BANGALORE: 91-80-61275204 INDIA MUMBAI: 91-22-61501629 INDIA INDIA A: 000-800-852-1268 INDIA INDIA B: 000-800-001-6305 INDIA INDIA C: 1800-300-00491 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3982 IRELAND 353-1-246-7646 1800-992-368 ISRAEL 1-80-9216162 ITALY MILAN: 39-02-3600-6007 800-986-383 ITALY ROME: 39-06-8751-6018 800-986-383 ITALY TORINO: 39-011-510-0118 800-986-383 JAPAN OSAKA: 81-6-7878-2631 0066-33-132439 JAPAN TOKYO: 81-3-6868-2631 0066-33-132439 LATVIA 8000-3185 LUXEMBOURG 352-27-000-1364 8002-9246 MALAYSIA 1-800-81-3065 MEXICO GUADALAJARA (JAL): 52-33-3208-7310 001-866-376-9696 MEXICO MEXICO CITY: 52-55-5062-9110 001-866-376-9696 MEXICO MONTERREY: 52-81-2482-0610 001-866-376-9696 NETHERLANDS 31-20-718-8588 0800-023-4378 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4771 0800-447-722 NORWAY 47-21-590-062 800-15157 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072065 PERU 0800-53713 PHILIPPINES 63-2-858-3716 1800-111-42453 POLAND 00-800-1212572 PORTUGAL 8008-14052 ROMANIA 40-31-630-01-79 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-0144011 SAUDI ARABIA 800-8-110087 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663 SLOVAK REPUBLIC 421-2-322-422-25 0800-002066 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-80414 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1083 00798-14800-7352 SPAIN 34-91-414-25-33 800-300-053 SWEDEN 46-8-566-19-348 0200-884-622 SWITZERLAND 41-44-580-6398 0800-120-032 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7379 00801-137-797 THAILAND 001-800-1206-66056 TURKEY 00-800-151-0516 UNITED ARAB EMIRATES 8000-35702370 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9025 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3225 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2125 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7108-6370 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1425 0808-238-6029 URUGUAY 000-413-598-3421 USA 1-517-345-9004 866-692-5726 VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-3702 Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew

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MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 30 April 2015
by Terri Agnew April 30, 2015

April 30, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 30 April 2015 at 13:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-30apr15-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar Attendees: Chris Dillon - NCSG Jim Galvin - RySG Amr Elsadr - NCUC Petter Rindforth - IPC Sara Bockey - RrSG Peter Green - NCUC Wen Zhai - RySG Wanawit Ahkuputra - GAC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana - GAC Pascal Haddad - Individual Ubolthip Sethakaset - Individual Apologies: Justine Chew - Individual Rudi Vansnick - NPOC ICANN Staff Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 30 April 2015: Lars Hoffmann:Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration PDP Working Group on Thursday, 30 April 2015. Jim Galvin:Jim Galvin has just joined Terri Agnew:Welcome Jim Galvin Petter Rindforth:Cannot read the coloured response comments Terri Agnew:Welcome Amr Elsadr Amr Elsadr:Thanks Terri. Amr Elsadr:Hi all. Lars Hoffmann:here is a link to the word document. i will see if i can upload a different colour right now. Lars Hoffmann:https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/53772762/Public%2… Petter Rindforth:thanks Lars Hoffmann:highilights should be fixed - and the document is un-synched. Pitinan Kooarmorapatana:Hi all Terri Agnew:Welcome Pitinan Kooarmorapatana and Pascal Haddad Amr Elsadr:We should collect the ideas we have on possible improvements that are out of scope, and include them in one or more recommendations to be included in the issues report of the post-EWG PDP. Pascal Haddad:Hi Everybody Amr Elsadr:Not seeing the WG member responses in the doc being shared. Amr Elsadr:Hi Pascal. Amr Elsadr:Ah. OK Thanks. Amr Elsadr:I'm sorry. Where are we? Amr Elsadr:Thanks. Pascal Haddad:Amr I m sorry to interrupt but I would like to call you at your convenience Pascal Haddad:to share some ideas Amr Elsadr:@Chris: Yes. An error that you have corrected. Apologies. :) Amr Elsadr:@Lars: Seems out of scope to me. Lars Hoffmann:@amr: it's of course up to the group to decide. it's just how i (and other staff) would see it. Amr Elsadr:Recommending a policy of machine readabiltiy involves technical structure of the database, and display capabilities of whois search services. Right? Jim Galvin:@amr - machine readability is about the structure of the data in transit - eg using XML Amr Elsadr:I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just that it warrants more discussion before being a PDP WG recommendation. Jim Galvin:display can then do what they want and third party applications can do what they want. this is the point of the WEIRDS work, the reaplcement for WHOIS Jim Galvin:third party apps include transformation Amr Elsadr:They need to be within the recommendations, just mandated to another PDP. Pitinan Kooarmorapatana:agree with Amr Jim Galvin:yes, push forward to another PDP. the point is not to let the issues get lost or forgotten. Pascal Haddad:exactly Jim Petter Rindforth:It is in fct very helpful for all new WG's to have some kind of summary and recommendations from previous WGs, even if those recommendations are not formal Amr Elsadr:@Petter: Yes. The historical context is always helpful. Serves as a guide to drafting of issues reports and WG charters as well. Pitinan Kooarmorapatana:on 55 , i'm not sure if the question means , change of address ... not just correct the typo? Pitinan Kooarmorapatana:i might not sure the intension of the question Pitinan Kooarmorapatana:is the change an approved means Pitinan Kooarmorapatana:1.change the trasliteration coz it doesn't transform correctly ? Pitinan Kooarmorapatana:or Pitinan Kooarmorapatana:2. change the name of the street name coz he moves the house Pitinan Kooarmorapatana:okie then Amr Elsadr:As I pointed out to Lars before, the accurate transliteration of Cairo would be something like "Alqahira". The translation of "Alqahira" would be the female form of "The omnipotent conqueror". :) Pitinan Kooarmorapatana:that's why may be the 'transform' is preffered . which may = mapping Pitinan Kooarmorapatana::) Petter Rindforth:well, well.... Amr Elsadr::) Petter Rindforth:let's discuss that further off line ;-) Amr Elsadr:Sure thing. :) Amr Elsadr:This comment was raised by the IPC as far back as the webinar that was held on the initial report, but we haven't addressed it yet. Amr Elsadr:I think we need to do some homework on this one. :) Lars Hoffmann:i can pull up the other version if you like me to. Amr Elsadr:Whoops. I forgot to check on an alternative to that. Apologies. Amr Elsadr:What question are we on? Amr Elsadr:Technically, it isn't unlimited. It is limited by the number of scripts/languages that exist. :) Amr Elsadr:Was there a first version of the final report? I must have missed it. Amr Elsadr:Thanks. Lars Hoffmann:everybody - i have to log off to join another call. will catch the rest on the reconrding. and will stay in the AC room o too. vetalk to you all soon! Wen Zhai:Bye Lars~ Amr Elsadr:@Chris: OK. Thanks. That'd be helpful. Amr Elsadr:Bye Lars. Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye. Pitinan Kooarmorapatana:Thanks all Petter Rindforth:Thanks for today Wen Zhai:Bye all. Jim Galvin:Thanks bye! Sara Bockey:bye all, thanks Chris Dillon:Good bye, everyone.

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Plans for the next three weeks
by Dillon, Chris April 30, 2015

April 30, 2015

Dear colleagues, Today we have an agenda with only one main item: version 8.5 of the public comment review tool. https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/30+April+2015 The intention is for today to be the last time to discuss it at a meeting, but we could continue with complex aspects of it on the mailing list, if necessary. Next week (7 May) we will look at a second draft of the final report which will incorporate numbered edits from the review tool. 14 May will be a continuation, but chaired by Rudi and so should benefit from light shined from a different direction. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 23 April 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine April 23, 2015

April 23, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 23 April 2015 at 13:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-23apr15-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Chris Dillon – NCSG Jim Galvin - RySG Amr Elsadr – NCUC Petter Rindforth – IPC Justine Chew – Individual Sara Bockey – RrSG Peter Green – NCUC Wen Zhai - RySG Wanawit Ahkuputra - GAC Roger Carney - RrSG Pitinan Kooarmornpatana – GAC Pascal Haddad - Individual Apologies: Peter Dernbach - IPC Rudi Vansnick – NPOC ICANN Staff Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Glen de St Gery Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 23 April 2015: Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration PDP Working Group on Thursday, 23 April 2015. Chris Dillon:Hello, Nathalie Wanawit Ahkuputra GAC:Sawasdee Chris , Nathalie Nathalie Peregrine:Hello all! Chris Dillon:Hello, Wanawit. Wen Zhai:Good evening, everyone:) Chris Dillon:Hello, Wen. Chris Dillon:A lovely bright afternoon in London. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Hello, sorry for the late Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Pitinan, welcome Justine Chew:Thanks Chris. Amr Elsadr:Hi all. Amr Elsadr:@Chris: If you insist. :) Petter Rindforth:If not available online, I can quickly make a presentation Amr Elsadr:@Petter: Could you clarify the intent of the change here? Amr Elsadr:desirability vs. need? Lars Hoffmann:document is up - apologies for the delay Amr Elsadr:@Jim: Agree. Also, if the WG deems that there is no need for mandatory transformation, why wouldn't it be desirable? Petter Rindforth:It may be most practical to discuss it online Jim Galvin:@amr +1 Amr Elsadr:Great. And Thanks again Petter. Amr Elsadr:Not sure I understand what is meant by marking. Could this please be clarified? Peter Green （CONAC）:@Amr，it is my understanding that marking means labeling the languages of the fields of the data elements Amr Elsadr:Roman numbers are I, II, III. 1, 2 and 3 are actually Arabic numerals. Amr Elsadr:Roman being Latin. Jim Galvin:right, thanks Amr! mea culpa Amr Elsadr:;-) Peter Green （CONAC）:thanks Chris for clarification Sara Bockey:Agree with Amr Jim Galvin:We just need to be careful to word things consistently with existing contracts and requirements. Amr Elsadr:A registrant's email address is verified, so that registration of the domain name is not possible until the applicant verifies that the email is indeed his/hers/its. Registrars would be in violation of RAA requrierments if they do not perform this check. And it's irrespective of the language issue. Jim Galvin:In particular, not overstate, i.e., guaranteeing that a registrant is contact-able. Petter Rindforth:Yes, Amr, but that is only initially. Many then change without update - as they need to do per their contract Amr Elsadr:@Petter: Yes, but I'm still not seeing the correlation with this PDP. There is also the issue of privacy/proxy services making it more difficult to contact registrants. All issues irrespective of languages/scripts. Pascal Haddad:hello eveybody and sorry for being late Justine Chew:@Petter, not necessariily only initially. Email is also used for domain name subscription renewal notices. But I agree with Amr, the "contactability" issue is independent to transformation. Petter Rindforth:That (70) is in fact our reply to what Amr just said Amr Elsadr:@Petter: There is also an assumption here that transformation will be accurate/useful. Amr Elsadr:At some point, we will need to rework the language in the recommendations of the final report (based on these discussions). Petter Rindforth:Agree Amr Elsadr:Can the doc on the screen be desynched? Justine Chew:Cheers Sara Bockey:thank you all Pascal Haddad:Thanks Jim Galvin:bye, thanks all Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye. Pascal Haddad:Bye Peter Green （CONAC）:bye all Julie Hedlund:Thanks everyone -- Goodbye! Chris Dillon:Many thanks. Wen Zhai:Bye

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Comment review tool for response
by Dillon, Chris April 21, 2015

April 21, 2015

Dear colleagues, We only received three responses to the review tool by last week's deadline. As we will be discussing it again on Thursday 23, this is a final chance to fill in the "Do you agree with comment?" and "Do you agree with response?" columns. Please do that by UTC 24:00 on Weds. 22. to give me time to process where the differences are before the call. Apologies for my poor time management yesterday! Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 16 April 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine April 16, 2015

April 16, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 16 April 2015 at 13:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-16apr15-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#a<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr>pr<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Chris Dillon – NCSG Jim Galvin - RySG Amr Elsadr – NCUC Petter Rindforth – IPC Justine Chew – Individual Sara Bockey – RrSG Peter Green – NCUC Wen Zhai - RySG Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Pascal Haddad - Individual Ubolthip Sethakaset – GAC Peter Dernbach - IPC ICANN Staff Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 16 April 2015: Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration PDP Working Group on Thursday, 16 April 2015. Chris Dillon:Hello all! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello everyone! Sara Bockey:good morning...or good evening as the case may be Wen Zhai:Good evening! Lars Hoffmann:hello everybody. Jim Galvin:Jim listening via computer. On hold with the phone. Jim Galvin:Now on the call. Nathalie Peregrine:Rudi Vansnick has joined the call Pascal Haddad:Hello all Lars Hoffmann:i am trying to upload the document. but i am having issues with the ac room. one second. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Nathalie Peregrine:Peter Dernmbach has joined the call Rudi Vansnick:sorry being late, adobe connect troubling here Amr Elsadr:Apologies about being late. Just got off another call. Nathalie Peregrine:Chris, you now have control Nathalie Peregrine:Ubolthip Sethakaset has joined the call Amr Elsadr:Q25 can be addressed if this WG makes recommendations on what should be in scope of other PDPs. Justine Chew:@Chris, same goes for line 27: should be "response" rather than "comment"? Amr Elsadr:I believe this is also out of this PDP's scope. We should recommend it be picked up by another. Amr Elsadr:As something we've identified. Nathalie Peregrine:Peter Green ha sjoined he call Peter Green （CONAC）:Thank you， Nathalie, sorry for being late Amr Elsadr:@Jim: Had we discovered this early enought, we could have requested that the chartering organization (GNSO Council) add this as within scope of this PDP. Justine Chew:I agree that we should comment wherever possible., but in relation to line 36 there is a misconception that this WG is supposed to determine who should bear the burden of transformation. That's not the case, the remit of this WG to identify who should decide who should bear the burden. Jim Galvin:@Amr: interesting process discussion. Have to keep that in mind for future work. :-) Amr Elsadr:@Justine: +1. There is confusion on this. :) Amr Elsadr:@Jim: Sorry 'bout that. :) Justine Chew:Comment 38 is the same as comment 25. Amr Elsadr:Where are we right now? Amr Elsadr:Thanks. Sara Bockey:This goes to the "as many languages as possible" - so that is why no. Justine Chew:@Sara - I believe we are still grappling with "as many languages as possible". Amr Elsadr:This recommendation is specific to the field names, not the data in them. Amr Elsadr:Makes transformation much more straight forward. Sara Bockey:yes, once defined, it would be easier to agree Justine Chew:@Amr: +1 Amr Elsadr:@Lars: A lot of noise on your end. Rudi Vansnick:difference to be made : field names database <> field names in registartion application Lars Hoffmann:just wondering whether we could recommend to number the fields. and then have a fixed order ot field names. each number corresponding to one specific field. the lanuague would then not matter. Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: Good point. Justine Chew:sounds complicaed Lars! Justine Chew:*complicated Rudi Vansnick:in general i think it is important to make clear field names we are considereing are not the ones in the apllication form (online registrar services) Jim Galvin:@Lars - that's an implementation choice. Justine Chew:@Jim: +1 Peter Dernbach:+1 @ Lars. Justine Chew:@Rudi: good point Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: In principle, I would leave the service provided by registrars in their own interface as their own decisions. No need to get into that. In any case, this is also related to tagging or identifying the fields, which should be part of the scope of another PDP. Rudi Vansnick:@Amr: agreed Amr Elsadr:This is the problem with the comment review tool. We only see things in pieces, not the whole picture. :) Amr Elsadr:@Justine: But agree that this is out of scope. :) Pascal Haddad:I prefer to write Pascal Haddad:because my mic is not working properly Pascal Haddad:so Pascal Haddad:for transliteration Pascal Haddad:I still think Pascal Haddad:that Pascal Haddad:the experience Pascal Haddad:done by Eruostat Pascal Haddad:for PAtent database of more than 80 countries Pascal Haddad:for transliteration Pascal Haddad:of names Pascal Haddad:and company names Pascal Haddad:can be used Pascal Haddad:https://www.ecoom.be/en/EEE-PPAT Pascal Haddad:pls check this link Petter Rindforth:Sorry, have to leave for another meeting. I'll file comments to the list. Justine Chew:I'm not objecting to us providing learned comments, I was inquiring after our approach to closely related comments (IMHO) then we should be consistently giving a proper response and not just say "outside our scope" to one comment but not to another closely related comment. Amr Elsadr:@Justine: Agreed. Chris Dillon:@Petter Thank you Justine Chew:Comment 54, 55, 56 are all operational issues? Rudi Vansnick:seems to me that i would not allow some one to translate my name without my consent ! Rudi Vansnick:i agree with Amr Pascal Haddad:I think there should be a recommended Pascal Haddad:transliteration Pascal Haddad:which can be edited Jim Galvin:@Amr +1 Amr Elsadr:"Want to use" indicates willingness, not a mandatory policy. Jim Galvin:Think about anti-abuse requirements. Could a registrant be called out because of a dubious transliteration? Amr Elsadr:Lets not forget that this entire policy is based on a desire to shift transaction costs from whois users to others. We can't recommend a half measure that may create liabilites for registrants or contracted parties. Pascal Haddad:I am sorry Pascal Haddad::) Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye. Justine Chew:Thanks Chris. You better get going. Jim Galvin:bye all thanks Pascal Haddad:To you too Peter Dernbach:goodbye all Pascal Haddad:Thanks all Pascal Haddad:Bye Peter Green （CONAC）:Bye all

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Today's meeting
by Dillon, Chris April 16, 2015

April 16, 2015

Dear colleagues, Lars has filled in missing fields (caused by comments' already having been addressed) in a version of the review tool (attached) which includes Justine's comments. I'll update today's agenda in the wiki to reflect the new version after I've sent this email. Please note that I have to leave the meeting five minutes early today because of a meeting in another building. I am keen to start as soon after 13:00 UTC because of this. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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