May 2008 - NA-Discuss - lists.icann.org

FW: TR : Improvement of the win-win relationship between the Staff and the At-Large Community
by Brendler, Beau June 12, 2008

June 12, 2008

Hello, everyone. I got this today -- obviously I can come up with my own answers, but if there is anything specific you want me to say to Frederic, please let me know by Thursday of next week (June 5). Specific suggestions to answer the seven questions are preferred -- I have a lot on my plate as we all do, and don't particularly want to get into debates over things like how the letter is worded, etc. Thanks Beau -----Original Message----- From: Frederic Teboul [mailto:frederic.teboul@icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:25 AM To: Brendler, Beau Cc: Frederic Teboul Subject: TR : Improvement of the win-win relationship between the Staff and the At-Large Community Dear Mr. Brendler, First of all, please allow me to introduce myself in case I have not talked/emailed to you already. My name is Frederic and since last month, I am your new At-Large Regional Affairs Manager. I began my career in the French Foreign Service in 1997, then I worked for several United Nations' Organizations from 2000 to 2005 and I recently joined ICANN from the private sector. I have a PhD in Social Science, an MA in Political Science and an Executive MBA. I believe that those experiences in the public and private sectors, in a variety of international decision-making environments, working with governments, civil society and industry stakeholders from more than 200 different countries made me ready for my new assignments. I am trying to identify the best way I could support the 5 RALOs and its ALSes, facilitating their involvement in policy development as well as assisting them in their work representing the individual Internet user's interest in ICANN. Nevertheless, I have to admit that even if I am learning a lot throughout the teleconferences and the interactions with your regional leaders, I need your help and this is why, I have decided to conduct an audit on each RALO, which will certainly lead to a proper business plan. Therefore, in order to proceed in the most professional, effective and efficient way, I would like to ask you to answer very briefly to the following 7 questions by the end of next week (Friday 6th June): 1. What issues are most important to your RALO and your region? 2. How can we help make your time efficient? 3. What challenges and opportunities do you see for your region? 4. How could we increase interaction between communities? 5. What are the top three priorities you would list for your regions? 6. What are the top three objectives you would like to see achieved for your regions? 7. What are the top three activities you would like to see implemented and practiced in your region? Last, but certainly not least, in order to facilitate our communication, we would appreciate to receive your full contact information (Email, Office and Skype Addresses, Work and Home Telephones, Fax and Mobile). I thank you once again for your collaboration in order to answer to this questionnaire BEFORE Friday 6th of June 2008, and I remain at your disposal for any further information or clarifications, which you might require. Yours Sincerely, Frederic Frederic E. Teboul, Ph.D., MBA Manager for At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Phone Number: +33 6 3487 0575 (France) & +1 310 578 8642 (USA) Email: frederic.teboul(a)icann.org AIM/iSight: frederic.teboul(a)mac.com Jabber: frederic.teboul(a)jabber.icann.org Skype: frederic.teboul *** Scanned

8 16

Fast Flux Briefing Session
by Matthias Langenegger May 30, 2008

May 30, 2008

Veuillez trouver la version française du message suivant plus bas Por favor véase el mensaje en español abajo Dear all, We have been asked to host a Teleconference briefing session on Fast Flux Hosting and Dave Piscitello from ICANN's Security and Stability Advisory Committee (SSAC) agreed to give a presentation on the subject. The session will be recorded and there will be simultaneous interpretation in French and Spanish. We plan to have a series of briefing sessions on current ICANN issues that will then be posted on our website for training purposes. What is Fast Flux hosting ? "Fast flux" is an evasion technique that cyber-criminals and Internet miscreants use to evade identification and to frustrate law enforcement and anticrime efforts aimed at locating and shutting down web sites used for illegal purposes. Fast flux hosting supports a wide variety of cyber-crime activities (fraud, identity theft, online scams) and is considered one of the most serious threats to online activities today. One variant of fast flux hosting, "double flux", exploits the domain name registration and name resolution services. For further reading on the issue, please consider the following publications. They will shortly be available in Spanish and French. * SSAC Advisory on Fast Flux Hosting and DNS ( http://www.icann.org/committees/security/sac025.pdf * GNSO Issues Report on Fast Flux Hosting ( http://gnso.icann.org/issues/fast-flux-hosting/gnso-issues-report-fast-flux…) * PDP approval motion of the GNSO (see Motion 20080508-3 under http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/) Those of you interested in this presentation, please use the below link to a meeting planer with a couple of proposed slots in early June. Please indicate all slots that would work for you. We will then send you an invitation with participation information. http://www.doodle.ch/kbqbwvxca9ay2g5y Regards, At-Large Staff Cher(e)s membres, Nous avons été invité d'héberger, par le biais d'une téléconférence, une session d'information sur "l'Accueil Rapide de Flux" (ou "Fast Flux Hosting"). Monsieur Dave Piscitello de la division Sécurité et Stabilité du Comité Consultatif (SSAC) d'ICANN a accepté de présenter un exposé sur le sujet. La session sera enregistrée et il y aura une interprétation simultanée en français et en espagnol. Nous prévoyons également d'avoir une série de sessions d'information sur les questions actuelles d'ICANN qui seront ensuite placées sur notre site Web en tant qu'outils de formation. Qu'est-ce que l'Accueil Rapide de Flux? "L'Accueil Rapide de Flux" est une technique d'évasion que les cyber-criminels et les mécréants d'Internet emploient pour esquiver l'identification et pour frustrer le renforcement des lois et les efforts anticriminelles afin de non seulement localiser, mais aussi d'arrêter les sites Internet utilisés à des buts illégaux. L'Accueil Rapide de Flux soutient une large variété d'activités cyber-criminelle (fraude, vol d'identité, escroqueries en ligne) et est considéré comme une des plus graves menaces des activités en ligne d'aujourd'hui. Une variante de l'Accueil Rapide de Flux, les "doubles flux" exploite l'enregistrement des Noms de Domaine et des Services de Résolution des Noms. Pour davantage de lecture sur ces questions, veuillez s'il vous plait examiner les publications suivantes. Elles seront sous peu disponibles en espagnol et en français. * SSAC Advisory on Fast Flux Hosting and DNS ( http://www.icann.org/committees/security/sac025.pdf ) * GNSO Issues Report on Fast Flux Hosting ( http://gnso.icann.org/issues/fast-flux-hosting/gnso-issues-report-fast-flux… ) * PDP approval motion of the GNSO (voir Motion 20080508-3 sous http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/ ) Ceux d'entre vous intéressé par cette présentation, veuillez s'il vous plait utiliser le lien ci-dessous qui vous dirigera vers quelques choix proposées pour la semaine du 2 Juin. Veuillez s'il vous plait selectionner tous les dates que vous seront possible. Nous vous enverrons par la suite une invitation électronique. http://www.doodle.ch/kbqbwvxca9ay2g5y Cordialement, At-Large Staff Estimados miembros de At-Large, Dave Piscitello del comité de asesores de seguridad y estabilidad de ICANN (Security and Stability Advisory Committee (SSAC)) ha declarado estar dispuesto a hacer una presentación sobre el Fast Flux Hosting. Lo interpretará simultaneamente en lengua española y francesa así como una grabación de audio. Planeamos tener una serie de presentaciones sobre temas actuales de Internet que luego estarán disponibles en un archivo de formación online. Que es el Fast Flux Hosting? El Fast Flux es un método de evasión usada por criminales de Internet para evadir su identificación y así frustrar la lucha anticriminal de los autoridades que intentan localizar y cerrar los sitios Webs usados para fines ilegales. El Fast Flux Hosting es usado en varias actividades del ciber-crimen organizado tales como el fraude, el robo o suplantación de identidad y el engaño on-line y representa hoy en día una de las más serias amenazas para la actividad on-line de hoy. Otra variante del Fast Flux Hosting es el Double Flux, un método que se aprovecha de los servicios de registro de dominios. Para obtener más información sobre este tema, las siguientes publicaciones pueden ser útiles. Serán traducidas en español y francés en breve. * SSAC Advisory on Fast Flux Hosting and DNS ( http://www.icann.org/committees/security/sac025.pdf * GNSO Issues Report on Fast Flux Hosting ( http://gnso.icann.org/issues/fast-flux-hosting/gnso-issues-report-fast-flux…) * PDP approval motion of the GNSO (véase Motion 20080508-3 en http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/) Si le interesa esta presentación, siga por favor el vínculo abajo para que sepamos los datos que más le convengan. Le ofrecemos opciones para la semana del 2 de Junio. Por favor, seleccione todas las opciones que le convengan. Le enviaremos una invitación con toda la información para participar después. http://www.doodle.ch/kbqbwvxca9ay2g5y Saludos, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

2 1

Fast Flux Hosting 5 June 1300 UTC
by At-Large Staff May 30, 2008

May 30, 2008

Veuillez trouver la version française de ce message suivant plus bas Por favor véase el mensaje en español abajo Dear all, You are invited to join Dave Piscitello¹s Briefing Session on Fast Flux Hosting which will take place on 5 June at 1300 UTC. Please find the meeting page with participation instructions and documents below. https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?fast_flux_hosting French and Spanish interpretation is tentatively scheduled for this meeting. However, there is currently only one French and no Spanish speaking person who expressed interest in the Briefing session. As you can imagine, it takes a considerable amount of resources to organize a multilingual presentation and it is only worth doing if there is a real interest from the non-English speaking language communities for these events. If you would like to participate in the French or Spanish channel for this meeting, please write an email to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. What is Fast Flux? "Fast flux" is an evasion technique that cyber-criminals and Internet miscreants use to evade identification and to frustrate law enforcement and anticrime efforts aimed at locating and shutting down web sites used for illegal purposes. Fast flux hosting supports a wide variety of cyber-crime activities (fraud, identity theft, online scams) and is considered one of the most serious threats to online activities today. One variant of fast flux hosting, "double flux", exploits the domain name registration and name resolution services. Cher(e)s membres, Vous êtes invité, par le biais d¹une téléconférence, à participer à une session d'information sur ³l'Accueil Rapide de Flux² (ou ³Fast Flux Hosting²) de Monsieur Dave Piscitello de la division Sécurité et Stabilité du Comité Consultatif (SSAC) d'ICANN, qui aura lieu le 5 juin à 13.00 UTC. Veuillez s¹il vous plait trouver ci-dessous la page de cette réunion avec les instructions de participation et les informations supplémentaires pour cette réunion. https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?fast_flux_hosting L'interprétation en français et en espagnole est programmée pour cette réunion. Cependant, il y a actuellement seulement une seule francophone et aucune personne hispanophones qui a montré un intérêt pour cette session d'information. Comme vous pouvez imaginer, il requiert une quantité considérable de ressources afin d¹organiser une présentation multilingues et il est seulement intéressant de le faire, si et seulement si, il y a un vrai intérêt des communautés non anglophones pour ces événements. Si vous voulez participer à cette conférence sur le canal français, envoyez s¹il vous plaît un email à staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Qu¹est-ce que l'Accueil Rapide de Flux? "L'Accueil Rapide de Flux" est une technique d'évasion que les cyber-criminels et les mécréants d'Internet emploient pour esquiver l'identification et pour frustrer le renforcement des lois et les efforts anticriminelles afin de non seulement localiser, mais aussi d¹arrêter les sites Internet utilisés à des buts illégaux. L'Accueil Rapide de Flux soutient une large variété d'activités cyber-criminelle (fraude, vol d'identité, escroqueries en ligne) et est considéré comme une des plus graves menaces des activités en ligne d¹aujourd'hui. Une variante de l'Accueil Rapide de Flux, les ³doubles flux" exploite l'enregistrement des Noms de Domaine et des Services de Résolution des Noms. Estimados miembros de At-Large, Les invitamos para la sesión de David Piscitello sobre el Fast Flux Hosting que será el 5 de Junio a las 1300 UTC. Véase la página web de este reunión telefónica para ver las instrucciones de participación. Cargaramos más documentos sobre la reunión en breve. https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?fast_flux_hosting La interpretación en lengua española y francesa es planeada de manera provisoria. Sin embargo, por el momento solo hay una persona de lengua francesa y ningún hispanohablante que ha manifestado su interés por esta presentación. Como se lo puede imaginar, organizar una presentación en varias idiomas necesita muchas recursos y solo valga la pena si existe interés suficiente da la comunidad no anglófona. En caso de que quiere participar en este reunión en el canal español o francés, escriba un email a staff(a)atlarge.icann.org por favor. Que es el Fast Flux Hosting? El Fast Flux es un método de evasión usada por criminales de Internet para evadir su identificación y así frustrar la lucha anticriminal de los autoridades que intentan localizar y cerrar los sitios Webs usados para fines ilegales. El Fast Flux Hosting es usado en varias actividades del ciber-crimen organizado tales como el fraude, el robo o suplantación de identidad y el engaño on-line y representa hoy en día una de las más serias amenazas para la actividad on-line de hoy. Otra variante del Fast Flux Hosting es el Double Flux, un método que se aprovecha de los servicios de registro de dominios. Regards, Cordialment, Cordialmente, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

1 0

At-Large community event, 21 June 2008
by At-Large Staff May 30, 2008

May 30, 2008

Dear all, We plan to have an At-Large community dinner at the ICANN Paris meeting and would like to invite you to this event. Before we go forward with the preparations, we would like to know how many of you are likely to participate. If you are in Paris on the evening of Saturday, 21 June and would like to participate, please follow the link below and put in your name. http://www.doodle.ch/ddihym5hhpeuhdwt Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

1 1

DEADLINE - CIRA Board of Directors Election - Call for Nominations
by Robert Guerra May 27, 2008

May 27, 2008

On behalf of Canadian Internet Registry Authority (CIRA) Nomination Committee, I wish to inform Canadians on this list that the deadline to submit a nomination to be considered by CIRA's nomcom is the day after tomorrow (May 29th). Given the activity of some of the Canadians on this list, I would hope that one or more of you consider being considered by CIRA's nomcom. CIRA's board, and Canadian internet users would be well served with your passion and energy. Please - do forward this to .ca domain registrants who you think might find this of interest.. Further details are below. Regards Robert Guerra (rguerra(a)privaterra.ca) Member, CIRA Nomcom 2008-09 https://elections.cira.ca/2008/en/nom_committee.html --- May 1, 2008 CIRA Board of Directors Election - Call for Nominations Participate in Managing Canada’s Internet Presence https://elections.cira.ca/2008/en/nom_com_nominees.html http://cira.ca/en/media-room/news/elections/nom_committee.html Ottawa, May 1, 2008 - Today the Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA) announced the start of its 2008 Board of Directors Election with a call for nominations for Director candidates. CIRA is the is the not-for-profit, member-driven organization responsible for the management of Canada's dot-ca domain namespace, the policies that support Canada's Internet community, and Canadian involvement in international Internet governance. CIRA is seeking Director candidates in preparation for its eighth Board of Directors Election this September. Call for Nominations CIRA seeks dynamic individuals with an interest in managing the future of Canada's Internet presence to join its Board of Directors. CIRA’s Nomination Committee is accepting public nominations for the Final Nomination Committee Slate from noon (12:00h) EDT on May 1, 2008 to 6:00 pm (18:00h) EDT on May 29, 2008. CIRA Board of Directors Election Nomination Process The 2008 CIRA Board of Directors Election features a split ballot comprised of candidates from the Final Nomination Committee Slate (chosen by the Nomination Committee from public applications and nominations) and candidates from the Final Members’ Slate (nominated and supported by CIRA Members). Member Nominations will be conducted in a separate process commencing July 22, 2008. CIRA has selected a Nomination Committee responsible for considering Nomination Committee Candidates for the Final Nomination Committee Slate. A final list of Nomination Committee candidates will be posted on CIRA’s website on or before July 15, 2008. CIRA Board of Directors Election CIRA Members will elect a total of four Directors during the 2008 CIRA Board of Directors Election: three Directors from the Final Nomination Committee Slate and one Director from the Final Members’ Slate. All Director seats hold a three-year term. CIRA Members can cast their Board of Directors Election votes from 6:00 pm (18:00h) EDT on September 18, 2008 to 6:00 pm (18:00h) EDT on September 25, 2008 through the CIRA Election website. Who is Eligible to Become a CIRA Director? Anyone can nominate themselves or an individual to be considered by the Nomination Committee. To be considered by the Nomination Committee, nominees must meet the following requirements on or before September 18, 2008: * Be at least 18 years old * Have the power to contract in Canada * Be a Canadian citizen or permanent resident as defined in the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (Canada) * Resided in Canada for more than 183 days within the previous 365 days Nominees must also submit an online Nominee Application Form that includes: * Contact information * A statement of qualification and experience and how this will benefit CIRA as an elected Director * Answers to mandatory questions * A statement that the nominee meets the minimum qualifications to act as a CIRA Board Director * Consent to the 2008 CIRA Policy on Nominations and Elections, CIRA Election Rules and CIRA’s Code of Conduct and Policy on Conflicts of Interest. CIRA’s Nomination Committee is accepting nominations for the 2008 CIRA Board of Directors Election from noon (12:00h) EDT on May 1, 2008 to 6:00 pm (18:00h) EDT on May 29, 2008. To submit a nomination please visit https://elections.cira.ca and complete the online Nomination Form. For complete eligibility and application requirements, consult the 2008 CIRA Election Rules or contact the CIRA Election Nomination Committee at nominations2008(a)cira.ca. About CIRA The Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA) is the not-for- profit, member-driven organization responsible for the management of Canada's dot-ca domain namespace, the policies that support Canada's Internet community, and Canadian involvement in international Internet governance. For more information, contact: Melisa Durak-Buljubasic PR & Communications Specialist 613-237-5335 or 877-860-1411, ext. 294 melisa.db(a)cira.ca

1 0

Briefing Session of the Draft Operating Plan and Budget 08/09
by Matthias Langenegger May 27, 2008

May 27, 2008

Veuillez trouver la version française du message suivant plus bas Por favor véase el mensaje en español abajo All: As you will have noticed, the Draft Operating Plan and Budget for FY 2008/2009 has recently been published for public comment. You can find the details here: http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-17may08.htm We would like to provide an opportunity for members of the At-Large Advisory Committee and interested At-Large community members to have a briefing on this in two weeks. Kevin Wilson, ICANN's Chief Financial Officer will give a presentation on the subject and respond to questions from At-Large community members. If his schedule allows it, ICANN's Chief Operating officer Doug Brent will also join this call. If you would like to participate in this briefing session, please follow the link below where you will find a couple of slots to chose from for the week of June 9th. http://www.doodle.ch/9rmqs8sr3mqvbmbg (Please choose your language) Please note that the slot on Tuesday, June 10th would be previously to the monthly ALAC teleconference, which will begin at 1330 UTC. Cher(e)s membres, Comme vous l'aurez remarqué, le plan préliminaire d'opération et du budget pour l'exercice financier 2008/2009 a été récemment édité pour les commentaires publics. Vous pouvez trouver les détails ci-après : http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-17may08.htm A cet effet, nous voudrions présenter aux membres du Comité Consultatif At-Large (ALAC) ainsi qu'aux membres intéressés de la Communauté At-Large d'avoir une session d'information dans deux semaines. Monsieur Kevin Wilson, le Directeur Financier de l'ICANN présentera un exposé sur le sujet et répondra aux questions des membres intéressés de la Communauté At-Large. Si son programme le lui permet, Monsieur Doug Brent, le Directeur des Opérations d'ICANN se joindra également à cette conversation téléphonique. Ceux d'entre vous intéressé par cette présentation, veuillez s'il vous plait utiliser le lien ci-dessous qui vous dirigera vers deux ou trois choix proposées pour la semaine du 9 juin. Nous vous enverrons par la suite une invitation électronique. http://www.doodle.ch/9rmqs8sr3mqvbmbg (choissisez votre langue s'il vous plaît) Veuillez noter que le choix du mardi 10 juin précédera la téléconférence mensuelle de l'ALAC, qui commencera à 13.30 UTC. Estimados miembros de At-Large, Como ya ha notado, el plano preparatorio de las operaciones y los presupuestos ha sido publicado para los comentarios públicos. Para ver los detalles siga el siguiente vinculo: http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-17may08.htm En este contexto, queremos darles a los miembros del comité de asesores At-Large así como a los miembros interesados de la comunidad At-Large la oportunidad de tener una sesión de información en dos semanas. Señor Kevin Wilson, el director financiero de ICANN ha declarado estar dispuesto a hacer una presentación sobre este asunto y responder a las preguntas de los miembros de la comunidad At-Large. Si su programa se le permite, señor Doug Brent, el director de las operaciones de ICANN participará igualmente a este conversación telefónica. Si le interesa esta presentación, siga por favor el vínculo abajo para encontrar unas opciones para la semana del nueve de Junio. http://www.doodle.ch/9rmqs8sr3mqvbmbg (elige su idioma por favor) Nótase que la opción de martes 10 Junio precederá la teleconferencia mensual del comité de asesores At-Large que empezará a las 1330 UTC. Regards, Cordialment, Cordialmente, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ICANN News Alert emails
by Michele Neylon May 23, 2008

May 23, 2008

On 21 May 2008, at 09:50, Jeffrey A. Williams wrote: > Nick and all, > > Apologies accepted. However this is what happens when > amatures attempt to configure software, especially poorly > desinged and insecure software. This is also how IDtheft > can be effected as well. I can only hope no one responded > to those Emails. I surely did not. > > Kieren, I believe you are required by law to report this > incident as a potential data breach. Please do so, or I It was a screwup. Whinging and whining about it and trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill won't change that. Move on Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

1 0

Global Survey on Multilingualism in ICANN's Work Now Online / Encuesta global sobre el multilingüismo en Trabajar ya en línea de ICANN / Enquête mondiale sur le multilinguisme dans les travaux de l¹ICANN disponible en ligne
by At-Large Staff May 21, 2008

May 21, 2008

Global Survey on Multilingualism in ICANN's Work Now Online 20 May 2008 ICANN today enabled an online survey, available in 11 languages including English, to facilitate understanding of the way in which the community uses existing materials prepared in multiple languages. It will also help ICANN understand how it could enhance multilingual access to the work of the organisation. This survey is also a key input into the public consultation process for the ICANN draft Translation Programme. The mission of the programme is to provide those who are not fluent English speakers with an equal level of access to influence and participate in the work of ICANN as those who are fluent in English. You may find more information about the Translation Programme at: http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-13feb08.htm The online survey is accessible at the following URL: https://www.bigpulse.com/m1649/intro The results of the survey are be available in real-time at the following URL: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=W27JWywPJkfgK5pmusGA Note that the results available at the URL above only present the non-narrative answers of the survey. It is not presently possible to show summarized statistical results and at the same time include individual narrative responses in a way that is meaningful. The text answers will be compiled into the report prepared at the completion of the survey. The survey will remain open until 20 June 2008. -- Encuesta global sobre el multilingüismo en Trabajar ya en línea de ICANN 20 Mayo 2008 ICANN puso hoy a su disposición una encuesta en línea, disponible en 11 idiomas entre los que se incluye el inglés, con el fin de ayudar a comprender la forma en la que la comunidad utiliza los materiales existentes preparados en varios idiomas. Además ayudará a ICANN a comprender cómo podría mejorar el acceso multilingüe al trabajo de la organización. Esta encuesta supone además una aportación clave al proceso de asesoramiento público para el borrador del Programa de traducción de ICANN. El objetivo del programa es proporcionar a los que no dominan el inglés el mismo nivel de acceso que el de aquellos que dominan el inglés, para permitirles influir y participar en el trabajo de ICANN. Puede encontrar más información sobre el Programa de traducción en esta URL: http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-13feb08.htm Se accede a la encuesta en línea en la siguiente URL: https://www.bigpulse.com/m1649/intro Los resultados de la encuesta estarán disponibles en tiempo real en la siguiente URL: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=W27JWywPJkfgK5pmusGA Observe que los resultados disponibles en la URL anterior solamente presentan las respuestas no-descriptivas de la encuesta. Actualmente no es posible mostrar los resultados estadísticos resumidos y a la vez incluir las respuestas descriptivas individuales de modo significativo. Las respuestas del texto se compilarán en el reporte preparado cuando se complete la encuesta. El reporte permanecerá abierto hasta al menos el 20 de Junio de 2008. -- Enquête mondiale sur le multilinguisme dans les travaux de l¹ICANN disponible en ligne 20 Mai 2008 L¹ICANN a lancé aujourd¹hui une enquête en ligne, disponible dans 11 langues dont l¹anglais, afin de mieux comprendre la façon dont la communauté utilise les documents existants traduits dans plusieurs langues. Cette enquête devrait également permettre à l¹ICANN de savoir comment améliorer l¹accès multilingue à ses travaux. L¹enquête apporte une contribution majeure au processus de consultation publique, dans le cadre de la version préliminaire du programme de traduction de l¹ICANN. La mission de ce programme est de permettre aux personnes non anglophones de participer aux développements menés au sein de l¹ICANN au même titre que leurs alter ego anglophones. Vous trouverez plus d¹informations sur le programme de traduction à l¹adresse suivante: http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-13feb08.htm L¹enquête en ligne est accessible à l¹adresse suivante: https://www.bigpulse.com/m1649/intro Les résultats de l¹enquête sont disponibles en temps réel à l¹adresse suivante: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=W27JWywPJkfgK5pmusGA Notez que les résultats disponibles à l¹adresse indiquée ci-dessus présentent uniquement les réponses non rédigées de l¹enquête. Il n¹est actuellement pas possible de fournir une synthèse des résultats statistiques tout en incluant des réponses rédigées individuelles de manière pertinente. Les réponses rédigées seront répertoriées dans le rapport qui sera établi à l¹issue de l¹enquête. L¹enquête se poursuivra au moins jusqu¹au 20 juin 2008. --- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA DD: +1 (310) 301-8637 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

1 0

Welcome to ICANN News Alert (plain text)
by ICANN May 20, 2008

May 20, 2008

Welcome! We're pleased to have you as a member of our mailing list, ICANN News Alert (plain text). This message was sent by: ICANN, 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 , Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6601 Powered by iContact: http://freetrial.icontact.com Manage your subscription: http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=10787312&l=6333&s=CWMF&m=10…

1 0

ICANN News Alert emails
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 20, 2008

May 20, 2008

Dear All: My apologies for the number of emails received today from the ICANN News Alert system. My intention was to automate a task which is currently manual - we have been forwarding these emails to the lists ourselves manually for months now, and my hope was that connecting the news alerts to the regional and global At-Large list would simply make this automatic. Unfortunately there were some problems as you'll have seen - the below message from Kieren relates to the problems. Again, our apologies. ----- To ALAC mailing list subscribers, Sorry for the number of emails you received yesterday on the mailing list subscribing the list to the ICANN News Alerts service. This is my fault. ICANN's News Alert sends out an email each time an announcement of significance is added to the ICANN site. It's the same system we have been using for two years or more. In order to save staff and the community time manually resending email announcements whenever ICANN announces something, the ALAC lists themselves were subscribed to News Alerts. However, despite the lists being added manually to the system, it still sent a double opt-in confirmation message. The result was that a large number of people were all sent a confirmation email. Then when a number of people clicked on the subscribe option in a short period of time, this led to a number of welcome emails. In an effort to fix this now as fast as possible, the mailing list addresses were deleted; the welcome and confirmation options taken off, and the list resubscribed. But, because of US anti-spam law, while the options were taken off, the system being used still insisted on sending the double opt-in email. And then, just for good measure, resending the welcome email all over again. I realise that none of this is very helpful to anyone, so my apologies. The idea is still that since ICANN sends out a News Alert each time there is an interesting announcement, it is faster and more efficient for it to be sent directly to mailing lists, rather than have people notice the alert and manually resend it. With this hump over with, it will be possible for that to happen automatically from now on. Kieren McCarthy General manager of public participation, ICANN -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA DD: +1 (310) 301-8637 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

2 1

Welcome to ICANN News Alert (plain text)
by ICANN May 20, 2008

May 20, 2008

Welcome! We're pleased to have you as a member of our mailing list, ICANN News Alert (plain text). This message was sent by: ICANN, 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 , Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6601 Powered by iContact: http://freetrial.icontact.com Manage your subscription: http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=10787312&l=6333&s=CWMF&m=10…

1 0

Welcome to ICANN News Alert (plain text)
by ICANN May 20, 2008

May 20, 2008

Welcome! We're pleased to have you as a member of our mailing list, ICANN News Alert (plain text). This message was sent by: ICANN, 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 , Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6601 Powered by iContact: http://freetrial.icontact.com Manage your subscription: http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=10787312&l=6333&s=CWMF&m=10…

1 0

Confirm your subscription to ICANN News Alert (plain text)
by ICANN May 20, 2008

May 20, 2008

Subscription Confirmation Before we add you to our mailing list, ICANN News Alert (plain text), we would like to confirm your subscription. http://app.icontact.com/icp/q.pl?r=10787312&s=CWMF&gid=20474&c=165637 Your subscription will be activated immediately upon clicking the above link. This double opt-in method ensures that all subscribers on our list do indeed want to receive our newsletters and that no one can add your email address to a list without your consent. Thank you for your assistance! This message was sent by: ICANN, 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 , Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6601 Powered by iContact: http://freetrial.icontact.com

1 0

Welcome to ICANN News Alert (plain text)
by ICANN May 20, 2008

May 20, 2008

Welcome! We're pleased to have you as a member of our mailing list, ICANN News Alert (plain text). This message was sent by: ICANN, 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 , Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6601 Powered by iContact: http://freetrial.icontact.com Manage your subscription: http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=10787312&l=6333&s=CWMF&m=10…

1 0

Welcome to ICANN News Alert (plain text)
by ICANN May 20, 2008

May 20, 2008

Welcome! We're pleased to have you as a member of our mailing list, ICANN News Alert (plain text). This message was sent by: ICANN, 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 , Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6601 Powered by iContact: http://freetrial.icontact.com Manage your subscription: http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=10787312&l=6333&s=CWMF&m=10…

1 0

Welcome to ICANN News Alert (plain text)
by ICANN May 19, 2008

May 19, 2008

Welcome! We're pleased to have you as a member of our mailing list, ICANN News Alert (plain text). This message was sent by: ICANN, 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 , Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6601 Powered by iContact: http://freetrial.icontact.com Manage your subscription: http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=10787312&l=6333&s=CWMF&m=10…

1 0

Welcome to ICANN News Alert (plain text)
by ICANN May 19, 2008

May 19, 2008

Welcome! We're pleased to have you as a member of our mailing list, ICANN News Alert (plain text). This message was sent by: ICANN, 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 , Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6601 Powered by iContact: http://freetrial.icontact.com Manage your subscription: http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=10787312&l=6333&s=CWMF&m=10…

1 0

Confirm your subscription to ICANN News Alert (plain text)
by ICANN May 19, 2008

May 19, 2008

Subscription Confirmation Before we add you to our mailing list, ICANN News Alert (plain text), we would like to confirm your subscription. http://app.icontact.com/icp/q.pl?r=10787312&s=CWMF&gid=20474&c=165637 Your subscription will be activated immediately upon clicking the above link. This double opt-in method ensures that all subscribers on our list do indeed want to receive our newsletters and that no one can add your email address to a list without your consent. Thank you for your assistance! This message was sent by: ICANN, 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 , Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6601 Powered by iContact: http://freetrial.icontact.com

1 0

My status as a NomCom appointee on the ALAC
by Alan Greenberg May 19, 2008

May 19, 2008

During the recent discussion on the ALAC support of the statement on GNSO restructuring, I was the subject of strong criticism due to my actions (or lack of them) and my status as a NomCom appointee (as opposed to a RALO appointee). There have also been statements about my motivations (although I know of no mind-reading certifications among NARALO members). I have found these statements deeply offensive, both on a personal and professional level. Since it is not the first time that this has happened, I would like to make things as crystal clear as I can. I am a Nominating Committee appointee to the ALAC. That means I am a free agent and I am not REQUIRED to take any actions on behalf of the NARALO. But it says nothing about what I WILL do. As an aside, as far as I can tell, ALAC members appointed by the NARALO are also not formally required to follow NARALO instruction (although I have no doubt that the incumbents and all future such appointees would act in good faith). To the extent that there are NARALO selected ALAC members participating in any meeting or activity, I will assume that they will take any actions necessary on behalf of their RALO. If there are not other NA ALAC members participating and NARALO leadership is not already informed, I will take all reasonable actions to ensure that the RALO is informed and will duly pass back any reasonably formal NARALO opinions, requests, motions, etc. that reach me (by "formal" I mean that I do not commit to pass on every comment that may be made by someone on a mailing list). I will not pass on documents or consult with the NARALO if the documents I receive or communications I have are stated to be confidential, or if I do not have suitable connectivity. In the latter case, if something is extremely urgent, I will attempt to use SMS if that is practical. I also reserve the right to occasionally be sick. To the best of my knowledge, I have always followed these principles, and certainly did in the case of the statement on GNSO reform (and despite my being in Rwanda at the time and with poor connectivity, the lack of connectivity was not an issue - nor has it been in any other substantive ALAC matter over the last year+). I would be very surprised if other NomCom appointees have substantially different positions, but of course I cannot speak for them. I make no claim to being infallible, and I will no doubt mess up on occasion. But I hope that this puts to rest statements about ALAC NomCom appointees acting inappropriately. Alan

3 4

Draft FY2008/2009 Budget and Operating Plan draft posted for public comment
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 19, 2008

May 19, 2008

http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-17may08.htm ICANN Posts Draft FY09 Operating Plan and Budget 17 May 2008 Each year, from July through December, ICANN's planning cycle calls for creation of the Strategic Plan. At the end of December 2007, the ICANN Board approved ICANN's Strategic Plan. The Strategic Plan is the three-year overview document that describes the strategic priorities for ICANN. See: http://www.icann.org/strategic-plan/. Each year, from January through June, there is a follow-on planning effort to create the Operating Plan and Budget for a single year. This document outlines the work map and financial requirements for the next fiscal year, consistent with implementing the Strategic Plan Objectives. The planning work for fiscal year 2009 began with a consultation in Delhi. The community and ICANN's Board reviewed an initial budget framework presented at New Delhi in February 2008. This approach provided the community the earliest opportunity yet to provide input on a draft budget. Staff held consultations regarding the budget and plan, received posted comments, and worked with the ICANN Board Finance Committee to develop the draft FY09 Operating Plan and Budget. Substantial work has taken place to incorporate feedback from the community, Board, and staff since the initial framework was first presented in February 2008, but the overall scope and themes remain consistent. In this fiscal year, highlights of planned ICANN results and activities include: Complete, and then launch the new generic TLD (gTLD) program. Based on progress with the IDN "fast track" process, introduce country code IDNs (ccIDN) at the top level. As part of establishing a documented security agenda, deliver on DNSSEC readiness, ICANN-internal security improvements, and training on disaster planning and mitigation for interested country code operators Working with RIRs and the NRO, continue to highlight issues related to IPv4 depletion and IPv6 adoption Grow and enhance contractual compliance capability on behalf of registrant protection Invest in IANA services and staffing to improve service availability, automation, response time, and disaster recovery. Strengthen the multi-stakeholder model by implementing GNSO improvements, expanding stakeholder travel support and expanding translation programs. In summary, the draft budget proposes revenues of about $60.7MM and total expenses (including depreciation, allowances and contingency) of $58.5MM with a contribution to reserve of about $2.2MM. Compared to what was presented in New Delhi, this actually represents a reduction in operating expenses from $54.1MM to $51.8MM. As compared to FY08, the total expense budget, including contingency, is projected to increase from $42.6MM to $58.5MM (37% increase). Operating expenses (excluding contingency, depreciation, and bad debt) are projected to increase from $38.9MM to $51.8MM (33% increase). This draft Operating Plan and Budget calls for substantial expense growth for ICANN, as a result of an ambitious work program for FY09, as dictated by the Strategic Plan. The goal of this draft FY09 Operating Plan and Budget document is to enable informed, active community and Board feedback regarding proposed objectives and plans. And, when the draft plan is finalized and approved, establish the resources and objectives that will deliver on the right initiatives for the ICANN community during FY09. This draft FY09 Operating Plan and Budget is being posted for community review with the support of the Board Finance Committee (BFC). The plan is available at: http://www.icann.org/financials/proposed-opplan-budget-fy08-09-17may07.pdf [PDF, 356K] This draft plan is one more step in the planning cycle, to allow for additional review and feedback. A public comment forum is available at: op-budget-fy2009(a)icann.org Additionally, consultations will be held with ICANN constituencies to get direct feedback, and the final plan discussed at ICANN's Paris meeting, for adoption by ICANN's Board in June. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA DD: +1 (310) 301-8637 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

1 0

Welcome PCNA!
by Evan Leibovitch May 16, 2008

May 16, 2008

I would like to take this opportunity to welcome North America's newest At-Large Structure, the Pacific Network Community Association and Bev Collins, PCNA's representative to ICANN. Bev, I hope you'll find this mailing list useful in both bringing you up to speed on ICANN issues (if you're not there already) as well as providing a well-read forum for your views and contributions. There are no dumb questions and no shortage of people here who are well versed in ICANN's history, culture and ... idiosyncrasies. :-) Again, welcome, and I look forward to your contribution to our community! Evan Leibovitch Chair, NARALO

3 3

Welcome PCNA to ICANN At-Large!
by At-Large Staff May 16, 2008

May 16, 2008

TO: Pacific Community Networks Association (PCNA) FROM: ICANN At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) SUBJECT: At-Large Structure Certification ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform you that the Pacific Community Networks Association (PCNA) has been certified as an At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC greatly appreciates your group¹s interest in involving individual users in ICANN and looks forward to working with you and your colleagues. The purpose of ALS certification is to recognize that your organization meets the necessary criteria to involve individual Internet users at the local or issue level in ICANN activities, and that your organization will support its individual members' informed participation in ICANN efforts that affect end-users. The ALAC is eager to promote a productive working relationship between your organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (and ICANN in general), and your input on how we can make this a success would be greatly appreciated. We would like to offer some initial tools to help your organization keep its members informed (about significant news from ICANN and information on ICANN policy-development efforts) and engaged in activities of interest: - Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org identifying the names and email addresses of one or two individuals who will be the point of contact for information and correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If this changes, please let us know. - At Large Mailing Lists. There are many At Large email lists, for each region; you can signup for them and manage your subscriptions at: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact you identify will automatically be added to your region¹s list just for accredited ALSes to discuss regional issues; you are invited to join others as you wish. - ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared with the At-Large community to enable individuals interested in your group's activities to contact you, and to encourage cooperation with other groups interested in ICANN activities in your geographic region. Please complete and email the form at the bottom of this note to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. - ALAC website. The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org) is a good source for ICANN news and information of interest to individual Internet users. We encourage you to provide your members with a link. The ALAC relies on volunteers to translate information into multiple languages. Translations of documents on the website are welcome and should be sent to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. - At-Large Regional Websites. Regional webpages also have been created to distribute information (including in local languages) on activities, events and issues of particular interest to people in each region. These are being very substantially revised in the next couple of weeks but you should keep the URLs handy and check back regularly. They are: African Region: http://www.afralo.org/ Asia/Australia/Pacific Region: http://www.apralo.org/ European Region: http://www.euralo.org/ Latin America/Caribbean Region: http://www.lacralo.org/ North American Region: http://www.naralo.org/ - Regional WiKi: Each At Large Region has a Wiki that allows the region to collaborate. These are maintained by the community and create the regional websites shown above. This framework is in the final stages of preparation but if you wish to have a user account, send an email to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to advance individual Internet users' interests within ICANN. If you have any questions, or need additional information, please contact us at staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. Sincerely, The At-Large Advisory Committee www.atlarge.icann.org staff(a)atlarge.icann.org --------------------------- Name: Location (city/country/region; whatever is relevant to your membership): Mission: Member benefits: Contacts (name/s and email address/es -- title/s optional): Website: Other (additional informational you would like included): -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

3 3

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Middle East & North Africa Outreach
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 14, 2008

May 14, 2008

Robert, Khaled, and all, I think Khaled already proved my point in that he uses a Gmail account which has already been recently reported as a "Spam Machine". As you know Robert, purposefully propagating Spam is an very onerous and an illegal activity. As such, we all now know that such remarks and statements are inconsistent with fact for instance See: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080510-security-flaw-turns-gmail-int… FWIW to you Robert, I, and all our members would greatly and kindly appreciate you discontinue such misleading and factually incorrect statements. -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> >Sent: May 13, 2008 5:51 AM >To: Khaled KOUBAA <khaled.koubaa(a)gmail.com> >Cc: icann-list(a)sorehands.com, At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, aheineman(a)ntia.doc.gov, mike(a)palage.com, Paul Twomey <twomey(a)icann.org>, carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm, CWallace(a)cygnacom.com, Jeff Neuman <Jeff.Neuman(a)neustar.us>, NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Middle East & North Africa Outreach > >Khaled: > >First, thanks for your comments. > >My original email was to assess, if ICANN/At-Large staff had >undertaken any efforts or is planning any such efforts to involve and >engage internet users from the middle east and/or north african region >for the upcoming fall public meeting in Egypt. I am well aware of the >geopolitical issues of the region - indeed they are complex. However, >it is a region with a growing and vibrant online community of bloggers >and internet governance specialists. > >Through my involvement and engagement with Diplo Foundation, Global >Voices, and many other organizations that I advise - I have a great >deal of contact with people in the region who are active on the >internet . They are experts in internet governance, journalists, >bloggers and yes, even user groups. In essence, they are active >internet users that happy to know the fall ICANN meeting will be in >their part of the world and seem to be keen to learn more, be active >in the meeting and share their perspective on key issues that affect >the region such as IDN, Multi-lingual internet, DNS security, etc. > >As you may know, one of the big issues discussed among bloggers and >other users from the region is - of course - internet censorship and >other restrictions imposed by governments such as Tunisia, Egypt, >Syria and others. Reports from the Open Net Initiative, Global Voices >Online and others speak in dire terms about how internet users are >censored, blocked, arrested or worse. > >http://del.icio.us/internetfreedom/egypt >http://del.icio.us/internetfreedom/syria >http://opennet.net/ >http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/ > >As such - a question to ICANN staff and upper management - who do seem >to be cc'd on the message... Can the organization guarantee that the >meeting will have open and unfiltered access to the internet, and be >open to all internet users from the region who wish to attend. > > >regards > >Robert Guerra > > > >On 13-May-08, at 3:37 AM, Khaled KOUBAA wrote: > >> Jeff, >> I am sorry to say that your point of view of the region is a little >> bit wrong. We do have many Internet governance experts in the MENA >> region. >> Unfortunately ( and many experiences I had in the past ) that the >> only image you have about our region is about terrorism or human >> rights problems. >> We in the Arab World Internet Institute ( www.aw2i.org ) will be >> happy to provide you soon reports coming from experts of our region. >> Other thing : the number of phishers, spammers and hackers are not >> so big in our region as you said. Many reports mention that. >> The number of Internet users is already under the number of hackers >> and phishers in other regions in the world. >> Khaled >> >> >> Jeffrey A. Williams wrote: >>> >>> Robert and all, >>> >>> Thank you Robert for you kind offer. There are >>> to our knowledge no REAL internet governance experts >>> that are natives to the region to which you refer. >>> There are however a significant number of phishers, >>> spammers, and hackers associated with several terrorist >>> organizations that may claim to be internet governance >>> experts that are indiginious to the region of which you >>> speak. I don't believe these folks would be very >>> helpful, but would be of interest to the relevant >>> LEA's seeking at this time to bring these individuals >>> into a, shall we say a "More controled enviroment". >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>>> From: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> >>>> Sent: May 12, 2008 9:31 AM >>>> To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>> Subject: [At-Large] Middle East & North Africa Outreach >>>> >>>> >>>> Looking ahead towards the fall ICANN meeting in Egypt - I would like >>>> to know if any outreach is being planned or envisioned to internet >>>> users in the middle-east and north africa. >>>> >>>> If not, suffice it to say that I am in touch with a rather extensive >>>> network of internet governance experts, internet users - bloggers >>>> and >>>> internet saavy organizations in the region that could be >>>> interested in >>>> attending the meeting and engaging us. >>> >> > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ Regretful Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

3 2

Mailing List Suspension of Jeffrey Williams
by Matthias Langenegger May 14, 2008

May 14, 2008

Dear NARALO members, Following a decision of the NARALO Secretariat, Jeffrey Williams has been flagged and will be suspended from publishing on this mailing list for one Month. The suspension ends on June 14th. Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger At-Large Coordination Officer Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Middle East & North Africa Outreach
by Robert Guerra May 13, 2008

May 13, 2008

Khaled: First, thanks for your comments. My original email was to assess, if ICANN/At-Large staff had undertaken any efforts or is planning any such efforts to involve and engage internet users from the middle east and/or north african region for the upcoming fall public meeting in Egypt. I am well aware of the geopolitical issues of the region - indeed they are complex. However, it is a region with a growing and vibrant online community of bloggers and internet governance specialists. Through my involvement and engagement with Diplo Foundation, Global Voices, and many other organizations that I advise - I have a great deal of contact with people in the region who are active on the internet . They are experts in internet governance, journalists, bloggers and yes, even user groups. In essence, they are active internet users that happy to know the fall ICANN meeting will be in their part of the world and seem to be keen to learn more, be active in the meeting and share their perspective on key issues that affect the region such as IDN, Multi-lingual internet, DNS security, etc. As you may know, one of the big issues discussed among bloggers and other users from the region is - of course - internet censorship and other restrictions imposed by governments such as Tunisia, Egypt, Syria and others. Reports from the Open Net Initiative, Global Voices Online and others speak in dire terms about how internet users are censored, blocked, arrested or worse. http://del.icio.us/internetfreedom/egypt http://del.icio.us/internetfreedom/syria http://opennet.net/ http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/ As such - a question to ICANN staff and upper management - who do seem to be cc'd on the message... Can the organization guarantee that the meeting will have open and unfiltered access to the internet, and be open to all internet users from the region who wish to attend. regards Robert Guerra On 13-May-08, at 3:37 AM, Khaled KOUBAA wrote: > Jeff, > I am sorry to say that your point of view of the region is a little > bit wrong. We do have many Internet governance experts in the MENA > region. > Unfortunately ( and many experiences I had in the past ) that the > only image you have about our region is about terrorism or human > rights problems. > We in the Arab World Internet Institute ( www.aw2i.org ) will be > happy to provide you soon reports coming from experts of our region. > Other thing : the number of phishers, spammers and hackers are not > so big in our region as you said. Many reports mention that. > The number of Internet users is already under the number of hackers > and phishers in other regions in the world. > Khaled > > > Jeffrey A. Williams wrote: >> >> Robert and all, >> >> Thank you Robert for you kind offer. There are >> to our knowledge no REAL internet governance experts >> that are natives to the region to which you refer. >> There are however a significant number of phishers, >> spammers, and hackers associated with several terrorist >> organizations that may claim to be internet governance >> experts that are indiginious to the region of which you >> speak. I don't believe these folks would be very >> helpful, but would be of interest to the relevant >> LEA's seeking at this time to bring these individuals >> into a, shall we say a "More controled enviroment". >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> >>> Sent: May 12, 2008 9:31 AM >>> To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>> Subject: [At-Large] Middle East & North Africa Outreach >>> >>> >>> Looking ahead towards the fall ICANN meeting in Egypt - I would like >>> to know if any outreach is being planned or envisioned to internet >>> users in the middle-east and north africa. >>> >>> If not, suffice it to say that I am in touch with a rather extensive >>> network of internet governance experts, internet users - bloggers >>> and >>> internet saavy organizations in the region that could be >>> interested in >>> attending the meeting and engaging us. >> >

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Proposal: At-Large Policy Briefs
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 13, 2008

May 13, 2008

Jean and all, Ok fine. How does one submit a brief for posting? -----Original Message----- >From: Jean Armour Polly <mom(a)netmom.com> >Sent: May 9, 2008 6:49 AM >To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Proposal: At-Large Policy Briefs > >Nice, Evan. I added a Related Links section. And a machine >translation link at the top. >Jean Armour Polly > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>[mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan >>Leibovitch >>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:48 AM >>To: At-Large Worldwide >>Subject: [At-Large] Proposal: At-Large Policy Briefs >> >>Hello everyone, >> >>During the last Summit conference call I committed to create a template >>for the development of "Policy Briefs", one for each significant issue >>facing ICANN as identified by ALAC and At-Large. >> >>I have documented the structure and rationale of the briefs at >>http://www.icannwiki.org/ALAC:Policy_Brief and I have started a sample >>temple of a Brief at >>http://www.icannwiki.org/At-Large_Policy_Brief:_Domain_Tasting -- I >>invite everyone to look at the pages, and to fill in the missing >>components so that we can demonstrate the form that a complete Brief >>should look. >> >>I believe that we should have at least one Brief for each entry on the >>Summit questionnaire being created now. In order for ALSs to give >>_informed_ response on prioritization of ICANN's issues, they need to >>know what those issues are. As time passes these Briefs will be updated >>to reflect changes in processes as well as ALAC positions and actions. >>Ultimately these Briefs are intended to have value beyond the Summit, as >>a set of "living" documents which will serve At-Large and the public >>interest on a continuing basis. >> >>It is my hope that both staff and At-Large members will contribute to >>the content of these Briefs, as each has different content strengths >>that the other may lack. >> >>Comments to this proposed format for issues documentation are welcomed. >> >>- Evan >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>ALAC mailing list >>ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann >>.org >> >>At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >>ALAC mailing list >>ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >>At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

2 1

Re: [NA-Discuss] My status as a NomCom appointee on the ALAC
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 13, 2008

May 13, 2008

Alan and all, No personal offense from me towards yourself. But any "Appointed" position by the NomCom to the RALO, and in your case, the NARLO that is a "Free Agent" to make determinations on behalf of the NomCom members, including myself, is really why the RALO structure and subsequently in part, the GNSO is ill concieved. To make decisions or effect any actions unilaterly on behalf of any membership without their informed and in the majority consent is in no reasonable way ethical. So I hope you will bare this basic good principal in mind at all times. Thank you! >:) -----Original Message----- >From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> >Sent: May 12, 2008 6:35 PM >To: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Cc: alac-internal <alac-admin(a)icann.org> >Subject: [NA-Discuss] My status as a NomCom appointee on the ALAC > >During the recent discussion on the ALAC support of the statement on >GNSO restructuring, I was the subject of strong criticism due to my >actions (or lack of them) and my status as a NomCom appointee (as >opposed to a RALO appointee). There have also been statements about >my motivations (although I know of no mind-reading certifications >among NARALO members). I have found these statements deeply >offensive, both on a personal and professional level. > >Since it is not the first time that this has happened, I would like >to make things as crystal clear as I can. > >I am a Nominating Committee appointee to the ALAC. That means I am a >free agent and I am not REQUIRED to take any actions on behalf of the >NARALO. But it says nothing about what I WILL do. > >As an aside, as far as I can tell, ALAC members appointed by the >NARALO are also not formally required to follow NARALO instruction >(although I have no doubt that the incumbents and all future such >appointees would act in good faith). > >To the extent that there are NARALO selected ALAC members >participating in any meeting or activity, I will assume that they >will take any actions necessary on behalf of their RALO. If there are >not other NA ALAC members participating and NARALO leadership is not >already informed, I will take all reasonable actions to ensure that >the RALO is informed and will duly pass back any reasonably formal >NARALO opinions, requests, motions, etc. that reach me (by "formal" I >mean that I do not commit to pass on every comment that may be made >by someone on a mailing list). > >I will not pass on documents or consult with the NARALO if the >documents I receive or communications I have are stated to be >confidential, or if I do not have suitable connectivity. In the >latter case, if something is extremely urgent, I will attempt to use >SMS if that is practical. I also reserve the right to occasionally be sick. > >To the best of my knowledge, I have always followed these principles, >and certainly did in the case of the statement on GNSO reform (and >despite my being in Rwanda at the time and with poor connectivity, >the lack of connectivity was not an issue - nor has it been in any >other substantive ALAC matter over the last year+). > >I would be very surprised if other NomCom appointees have >substantially different positions, but of course I cannot speak for them. > >I make no claim to being infallible, and I will no doubt mess up on >occasion. But I hope that this puts to rest statements about ALAC >NomCom appointees acting inappropriately. > >Alan > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] House Leaders Urge Preservation Of ICANN Role (US)
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 13, 2008

May 13, 2008

Robert and all, Indeed as you state it, your correct. However the MOU requires open and transparent participation. Ergo again, Milton's statement is exactly correct as he stated it. As such, it would seem wise, prudent, and ethically advisable that freedom of expression should not be in any way abridged as defined by the US constitution and the international rights convention if ICANN is ever going to achieve it's mission. -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> >Sent: May 12, 2008 9:13 AM >To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] House Leaders Urge Preservation Of ICANN Role (US) > > > > >On 12-May-08, at 11:54 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > >> Robert Guerra wrote: >>> That being said, I do have an issue with the congressional statement >>> as it seemed to indicate that ICANN was supportive of freedom of >>> expression. I would disagree, as board and GNSO decisions seem to >>> more >>> limit speech then anything else. Triple X being one example , wanting >>> to censor IDN domain names another.. >>> >> In other words, ICANN _does_ support freedom of expression ... to the >> same extent as the US government does. ;-) >> >I would disagree . There are no references to Freedom of expression >in the ICANN bylaws. > >I am raising the issue, as I'd like to know where At-Large stands on >stronger protections related to freedom of expression. Personally, >it's an issue I would like the At-Large summit to address.. > >regards > >Robert > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Middle East & North Africa Outreach
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 13, 2008

May 13, 2008

Robert and all, Thank you Robert for you kind offer. There are to our knowledge no REAL internet governance experts that are natives to the region to which you refer. There are however a significant number of phishers, spammers, and hackers associated with several terrorist organizations that may claim to be internet governance experts that are indiginious to the region of which you speak. I don't believe these folks would be very helpful, but would be of interest to the relevant LEA's seeking at this time to bring these individuals into a, shall we say a "More controled enviroment". -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> >Sent: May 12, 2008 9:31 AM >To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [At-Large] Middle East & North Africa Outreach > > >Looking ahead towards the fall ICANN meeting in Egypt - I would like >to know if any outreach is being planned or envisioned to internet >users in the middle-east and north africa. > >If not, suffice it to say that I am in touch with a rather extensive >network of internet governance experts, internet users - bloggers and >internet saavy organizations in the region that could be interested in >attending the meeting and engaging us. > >regards, > >Robert >--- >Robert Guerra <rguerra(a)privaterra.org> >Managing Director, Privaterra >Tel +1 416 893 0377 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] House Leaders Urge Preservation Of ICANN Role (US)
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 12, 2008

May 12, 2008

John and all, Odd, I thought that Milton's quoted statement that you took exception with John, was percisely accurate given the known and documented history of ICANN thus far. I don't think anyone is expecting perfection from ICANN, but given the history of public input and access to same without restriction of any sort is significantly lacking and selective censorship has been a regular practice on ICANN forums such as this one. This I believe, and should be clear is what Milton was referring to. -----Original Message----- >From: John Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> >Sent: May 12, 2008 10:24 AM >To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] House Leaders Urge Preservation Of ICANN Role (US) > >> In other words, ICANN _does_ support freedom of expression ... to the >> same extent as the US government does. ;-) > >As so often happens, Milton collects a lot of interesting facts, then >utterly fails to understand what they mean. > >The most important thing that ICANN has done to support freedom of speech >has been to make domain names almost completely disconnected from whatever >the names are used for and cheap enough that the price of a domain is >insignificant compared to all the other stuff you need to publish on the >net. With remarkably few exceptions, you can register a domain name in >any GTLD and use it for whatever you want. Sure, it's not perfect, and >you don't have to tell me that the UDRP is tilted toward trademark owners, >but if you look at the number of UDRP actions compared to the number of >domains, for the vast majority of domain owners it's a non-issue. > >The .XXX foofaraw is a meaningless sideshow. The pornographers for whom >it was putatively created have been notably unenthusiastic about it, and >the absence of .XXX doesn't seem to have presented much of a bar to >publishing more porn than you could look at in a hundred lifetimes. > >R's, >John > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Meeting Minutes NARALO Teleconference 12 May
by Matthias Langenegger May 12, 2008

May 12, 2008

Dear all, Please find the Meeting Minutes and Action Items of today's teleconference on the meeting page. https://st.icann.org/naralo/index.cgi?12_may_2008 The minutes were kindly submitted by Darlene Thompson. The audio file will be put up shortly. Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger At-Large Coordination Officer Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger

1 0

web point of view: US and ICANN
by Sylvia Caras May 12, 2008

May 12, 2008

http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2008/5/11/3685901.html

1 0

NARALO Teleconference on Monday, 12 May 1900 UTC
by Matthias Langenegger May 12, 2008

May 12, 2008

Dear all, This is to remind you that the next NARALO teleconference will be on Monday, 12 May at 1900 UTC. Please find additional information on the meeting page. https://st.icann.org/naralo/index.cgi?12_may_2008 Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger At-Large Coordination Officer Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger

2 1

Gmail As Open-Relay Spam Server
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 12, 2008

May 12, 2008

All, Again confirming our members long standing displeasure with Google's business practices has gained additional dubious public exposure. I doubt however that such will in any meaningful way persuade Google from it's increasingly errant ways. But until it does, our members will continue to block Gmail and not use any Google service of any sort. We have been unable to persuade Google to discontinue it's errant ways. It also appears that DHS and the FTC have also failed to dissuade Google effectively as well over the past few years of their illegal ways at the expense of all users anywhere. Or perhaps they haven't tried very hard to do so? One wonders, eh? My questions are to Vint Cerf. When the heck are you going to get your folks to stop spamming everyone it feels it wishes? Does Google disrespect users that much? >From Slashdot: A little problem Google is having that has http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080510-security-flaw-turns-gmail-int… Gmail acting like an open relay. Compounding the issue is the fact that services such as Hotmail and Yahoo trust Gmail as a source of mail. "A recently-discovered flaw in Gmail is capable of turning Google's e-mail service into a highly effective spam machine. According to the Information Security Research Team (INSERT), Gmail is susceptible to a man-in-the-middle attack that allows a spammer to send thousands of bulk e-mails through Google's SMTP service without fear of detection. This attack bypasses both Google's identity fraud protection mechanisms and the current 500-address limit on bulk e-mail." Regretful Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 11, 2008

May 11, 2008

Roberto and all, What's most important, and really the only thing that is important at all is that whatever decision that has the majority consensus, however unmeasured it is or may be, is one that, 1.) has a more than reasonable chance of actually solves the problem being decided, and, 2.) if a compermise a decision that also actually solves the problem. Anything else is pure political theater and folly. As for "Taking your hands away for it" as you say, perhaps, and I strongly but kindly suggest that you first remove both of your feet from you mouth. >:) I also suggest that you cease your not so well done spinmiestering, as it has become clear yet again that your propensity for misconstruing intentionally many things and words presented as Danny earlier again clearly pointed out. Such is demonstarating to the attentive, inconsistant with good ethics. -----Original Message----- >From: Roberto Gaetano <roberto(a)icann.org> >Sent: May 10, 2008 5:09 AM >To: 'Dominik Filipp' <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk>, 'Evan Leibovitch' <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >Dominik, > >> The ALAC is committed to the public to express, reflect and >> advocate the best solutions for the public it recognizes and >> considers as being such. >> The ALAC is primarily not obligated to respect any financial >> interests but only the bylaws, the ICANN core values and the >> original mission goals the ALAC was established on. Accepting >> the financial logic would mean that the ALAC would definitely >> give in to unfair and fraudulent practices and as such would >> be rightly accused of suspect collaboration based on pursuing >> non-public interests. > >What is more important for ALAC, to get some results, even if not the >perfect solution, or to yell to the moon what is supposed to be the perfect >solution, and obtain nothing? > > >> [...] >> There is nothing difficult here. The ALAC will express the >> statement it stands for and the board will vote. It is that >> simple. And if this motion will eventually be refused and >> domain tasting will again be reinstated then it will be clear >> whose responsibility it is. This is extremely important to >> know for the record and for history that the ALAC acted >> accountably and warned the board about possible persisting abuse. > >Excellent. We will get nothing, but will be able to blame it on somebody >else. > > >> I do not see any single reason why the ALAC should help carry >> that burden on its shoulders for a decision it has never >> stood for. Take hands away from it. > >Yes! Stay pure and uncontaminated by all the durty things of the real world, >that ask for the ability of building alliances through compromise. Get all >or nothing, don't settle for half of it! >Of course, the obvious conclusion will be that consumers will get nothing. >But is this, after all, of any importance? > >Cheers, >Roberto Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] projet/draft question fondamentale/key question à/to Vint Cerf
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 11, 2008

May 11, 2008

Jefsey and all, Surprisingly enough to you, I am sure, I agree as do most of our members with your concerns regarding the direction IDNA is obviously going for the very same reasons you so corectly state. No End-to-End implimentation. Any time one considers Vint's/Google's, MS's, IBM's, and Larry's Oracle's influence, namely financial on this process/project, one has to consider that they will call the tune unless respective governments and other private sector organizations are willing to pony up a significant share of the costs/funding. As France and other countries have decidedly not sought to provide for any of the IDNA funding, the form of the implimentation will not likely reflect an End-to-End language translation. Understand clearly, "People Centric" in respect to companies in the private sector only goes as far as those private sector companies can see a clear and significant long term financial advantage for their organizations. Same is true unfortunately the IETF and the ISOC sense 2000. -----Original Message----- >From: JFC Morfin <jefsey(a)jefsey.com> >Sent: May 10, 2008 9:15 AM >To: 'At-Large Worldwide' <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: projet/draft question fondamentale/key question à/to Vint Cerf > >Chers amis, >Les préoccupations du groupe de Travail de l'IETF sur la révision de >l'IDNA (Noms de Domaines Internationalisés dans les Applications), >présidé par Vint Cerf; deviennent de plus en plus confuses. Or il s'y >joue à nouveau la perception et le support des langues sur >l'Internet, et les systèmes d'identification (IRI), de classement, de >référence, et d'adressage sémantiques qui en dérivent. > >Dear friends, >The concerns of the Working Group of the IETF on the revision of the >IDNA (Internationalised Domain Names in Applications), chaired by >Vint Cerf; become increasingly confused. It decides again of the >perception and support of languages on the Internet, and >identification systems (IRI), classifying, reference, and addressing >semantic that derive from it. > >--- > >Vu l'importance du DNS, ceci décidera pratiquement si notre monde >en-ligne/virtuel : >- va devenir multilpolaire et propre à chacun ("people centric") >selon la volonté du SMSI et le vote obtenu à l'ISO contre la position IETF, >- ou rester 'network centric" comme le conçoit l'IETF, >unilatéralement conditionné, autour de l'ICANN, du IANA et de la >langue anglaise, par le consortium Unicode (IBM, M$, Google, Yahoo! >Oracle), moyennant deux lourdes impasses techniques (1) pas de "end >to end" pour les noms de domaine linguistiques (2) la simulation et >non l'implantation de la couche réseau "présentation", qui manque à >l'Internet, nécessaire aux IDN. > >Given the importance of DNS, this will practically decide whether our >online/virtual world: >-- will be multipolar and specific to each one ( "people centric") >according to the will of the WSIS and the ISO vote against the IETF position, >-- or stay 'network centric" as per the IETF design, unilaterally >conditioned around ICANN, IANA and the English language, by the >Unicode Consortium (IBM, $ M, Google, Yahoo! Oracle), subject to two >heavy technical impasses (1) no "end to end" for domain names >language (2) simulation and non-implementation of the network >"presentation" layer, which misses in the Internet architecture, >necessary for IDNA. > >--- > >Je veux donc demander clairement à Vint Cerf ses intentions après >huit ans d'incertitudes que l'on peut croire stratégiquemernt bien >organisées. Il faut que nous soyons enfin publiquement fixés et >puissions tous aller voir ailleurs avant que cela ne soit trop tard. >Merci de revoir mon projet de mail et de me dire si c'est suffisament >clair et complet. > >I thus want to ask clearly Vint Cerf its intentions after eight years >of waht may be preceived as well organized strategic uncertainties. >We have to be fixed finally publicly and can all go to see somewhere >else before it is too late. Please see review my draft mail and if it >is sufficiently clear and complete. > >--- > >La solution alternative est simple, robuste et conforme aux standards >ouverts. Elle consiste en une implémentation de la couche >"présentation" pour de bon. Ceci demande un développement moyen. >C'est transparent à qui ne l'utilise pas. Cela ne destabilise pas >l'Internet. C'est extrèmement porteur en terme d'applications - >audelà de ce qui est liè à la capacitation linguistique. Toutefois, >cette couche présentation permet de multiplier à l'infini les >"présentations" globales autonomes de l'internet. Des centaines, >milliers d'Internet logiques. Ceci est au diapason du monde réel qui >est distribué, et non pas décentralisé à partir des Etats-Unis. Ceci >signifie à terme un internet plus homogène et intergouverné par les >"ICANN" de chaque "présentation". C'est la vision de l'ICANN dans son >document ICP-3 ou elle envisage ainsi la fin du fichier racine >unique. Ce serait aussi un grand changement pour l'industrie et le >contrôle du nommage qui ne sera plus centré-ICANN, mais lui-aussi >"people centric". . > >The alternative is simple, robust and conform to open standards. It >is an implementation of the "presentation" layer for good. This >requires an average development. It is transparent to who does not >use it. It does not destabilise the Internet. It is extremely >attractive in terms of applications - beyond what is related to >language empowerment. However, the presentation layer allows to >multiply at the infinity autonomous global Internet "presentations". >Hundreds, thousands of logical Internet . This is in tune with the >real world, which is distributed, not decentralized from USA. This >means eventually an internet more homogeneous and intergoverned by >the "ICANN"s of each "presentation". It is the ICANN vision in its >ICP-3 document, which envisages the end of the unique authoritatve >root. It wold also be a big change for the naming industry and >control which will no longer be ICANN-centric but also become people centric > >--- > >Je vous remercie de vos commentaires. >I thank you for your comments. > >jfc >------------------------------------ > >Dear Vint, >Prior to sending this mail, I circulated its draft l to many people >round the world and took their remarks into consideration. > >Avant l'envoi de ce courriel, j'en ai distribué le projet à de >nombreuses personnes autour du monde et j'ai pris leurs remarques en >considération > >--- > >The IDNA issue is a key priority for the continuation of the IETF >technology, as the network technology of the world digital ecosystem >(WDE). If the IETF cannot match the world's expectations in that area >it must say so now, so others can consider alternative solutions >before we see different uncoordinated local solutions developed and deployed. > >Le sujet de l'IDNA est une priorité essentielle pour la poursuite de >l'IETF technologie comme la technologie de réseau de l'ecosystème >numérique mondial (ENM). Si l'IETF ne peut répondre aux attentes du >monde entier dans ce domaine, elle doit le dire maintenant, pour que >l'on puisse envisager d'autres solutions avant de voir un manque de >coordination dans le développement et le déploiement de différentes >solutions locales. > >---- >>At 22:37 09/05/2008, Kenneth Whistler wrote: >>What matters, I think, is what contemporary communities *are* using >>or might reasonably be inferred to want to use if available, for domain names. > >>À 22:37 09/05/2008, Kenneth Whistler a écrit: >>Ce qui importe, je pense, c'est ce que les communautés actuelles >>l'utilisent ou pourraient raisonnablement être pensé être utilisé le >>cas échéant, pour les noms de domaine. > >---- > >Maybe, what really matters are: >(1) the political world consensus for a multilingual Internet for a >people centered multilingual society of information, >(2) the universal resentment at being told what one is supposed to >want. People accept being told by others as to what they can only >do, if they understand exactly why. > >Peut-être, ce qui importe vraiment ce sont : >(1) Le consensus politique du monde pour un Internet multilingue pour >une société multilingue de l'information, centrée sur la personne. >(2) le ressentiment universel à être dit ce que l'on est censé >vouloir. Les gens zvvrptrnt qu'on leur disent ce qu'ils peuvent >seulement faire, s'ils comprennent exactement pourquoi. > >---- > >The world expects a Multilingual DNS that works for every language >and every script the way the DNS works for English and ASCII. Let us >call this the ML-DNS specification. It is very simple, terse, and clear. > >Le monde attend un DNS multilingue qui fonctionne pour toutes les >langues et écritures la manière dont le DNS fonctionne pour l'anglais >et ASCII. Appelon cette spécification ML-DNS. Elle est très simple, >concise et claire. >--- > >Question (A): does this IETF WG-IDNABIS seek to document an IDNA >based ML-DNS in order to be ready for testing by Dec. 2008 (Y/N)? > >Question (A): est-ce que le groupe de travail IETF-IDNABIS entend >documenter un ML-DNS basé sur IDNA pour des essais réel en Décembre >2008 (Y / N)? > >--- >Question (B): If A is "N", what are the clearly defined and >committed detailed specifications of the Nov. 2008 IETF deliverable? > >Among the points to be clarified in these specifications are: >1- will it be mainly focussed towards Mobiles, Browsers, >Applications, or the three of them? >2- will it be phishing proof at every DN level? >3- which scripts or charset and languages will be supported? or will >it be transparent to scripts choices? >4- will it be IDN2003 compatible? >5- will it strive to be future ML-DNS interoperable? >6- why was the IDNA option chosen as the best way to support ML-DNS >vs. other possibilities? >7- will Microsoft, Google, and Firefox fully and identically support >it? Will they also permit the support of any other ML-DNS proposition? > >Parmi les points devant être clarifiés dans ces spécifications : >1 - sera-t-il principalement orienté vers les Mobiles, les >Navigateurs, ou les Applications, ou les trois ? >2 - sera-t-il à l'épreuve de phishing à tous les niveaux des DN? >3 - Les scripts ou jeux de caractères et les langues pris en charge? >ou sera-t-il transparent au choix des écritures? >4 - sera-t-il compatible avec l'IDN2003 ? >5 - cherchera-t-il à être interopérable avec les futurs ML-DNS ? >6 - pourquoi l'option IDNA a-t'elle été choisie par rapport à >d'autres possibilités pour supporter le ML-DNS? >7 - Microsoft, Google et Firefox le respecteront-ils pleinement et de >façon identique? Permettront-ils aussi le support de tout autre >proposition de ML-DNS ? > >---- > >Thank you for your committed answer. > >Merci pour une réponse vous engageant. >jfc Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 11, 2008

May 11, 2008

Dominik and all, Roberto has been a long time supporter of no actual policy role for users or registrants, but has been a supporter in users/stakeholders being able to "Advise" ICANN through the GNSO. Whatever this actually means as far as the ALAC and the ALS'es in respect to getting what users and registrants desire and accountability is a matter of some constranation of course. Frankly I believe that the position of any ICANN Bod/staff member or GNSO staff or council member that religates users and/or registrants, especially Independant Registrants to a role of simply as advisory is cowardly and inconsistant with accountability. -----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Sent: May 10, 2008 12:30 PM >To: Roberto Gaetano <roberto(a)icann.org>, Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >Roberto, > >For ALAC, it is more and most important to stay accountable to the >public community. If an ALAC's own position is not worth discussing and >properly argumenting with other bodies on equal basis than, yes, >refusing a weak statement and presenting the one ALAC believes is a >better/perfect proposal is the only honest solution. > >Do you call political bargaining a compromise?! Heck! We are not idiots >smashed out of the brain here, Roberto! > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@icann.org] >Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 2:09 PM >To: Dominik Filipp; 'Evan Leibovitch' >Cc: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: RE: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >Dominik, > >> The ALAC is committed to the public to express, reflect and advocate >> the best solutions for the public it recognizes and considers as being > >> such. >> The ALAC is primarily not obligated to respect any financial interests > >> but only the bylaws, the ICANN core values and the original mission >> goals the ALAC was established on. Accepting the financial logic would > >> mean that the ALAC would definitely give in to unfair and fraudulent >> practices and as such would be rightly accused of suspect >> collaboration based on pursuing non-public interests. > >What is more important for ALAC, to get some results, even if not the >perfect solution, or to yell to the moon what is supposed to be the >perfect solution, and obtain nothing? > > >> [...] >> There is nothing difficult here. The ALAC will express the statement >> it stands for and the board will vote. It is that simple. And if this >> motion will eventually be refused and domain tasting will again be >> reinstated then it will be clear whose responsibility it is. This is >> extremely important to know for the record and for history that the >> ALAC acted accountably and warned the board about possible persisting >> abuse. > >Excellent. We will get nothing, but will be able to blame it on somebody >else. > > >> I do not see any single reason why the ALAC should help carry that >> burden on its shoulders for a decision it has never stood for. Take >> hands away from it. > >Yes! Stay pure and uncontaminated by all the durty things of the real >world, that ask for the ability of building alliances through >compromise. Get all or nothing, don't settle for half of it! >Of course, the obvious conclusion will be that consumers will get >nothing. But is this, after all, of any importance? > >Cheers, >Roberto > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 9, 2008

May 9, 2008

Dominik and all, VERY nicely articulated here Dominik. I fully agree with your arguments and their obvious correct conclusion. But let's be VERY clear, the members are, and in the majority decided that the AGP must go. Although there are other means by which Domain Name Tasting can be eradicated in short order, one of which I have outlined as a proposal, that proposal did not or has not yet gained sufficient support. Frankly and disgustingly it is clear that the ICANN Bod is very interested in getting this problem decided as Roberto has already several times mentioned or otherwise eluded to. It is also clear that changing the RAA was in his opinion not currently supported by the majority of the ICANN Bod at this time, which confirms your argument significantly. I for the life of me cannot understand how any public interest corporation can act or even consider acting in complete or nearly complete disagreement with the public interests over and over again. To do so without impunity is devoid of proper and ethical leadership... This also seems to be the case with the ALAC in regards to Domain Name Tasting. What you Dominik are seemingly articulating comes very close if not precisely to what is legally known as "Collusion" for financial gain, which is a form of Fraud and should be addressed as such. I would not at all be surprised at some point that IF the motion that the ALAC falsely represented in the name of the ALAC members is adopted that a RICO case or cases ensue. I for one, along with our members, are saddened and disgusted to read much of Evans remarks, which appear to be far less than courageous or reflect good and ethical leadership. Very unfortunate! >:( -----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Sent: May 9, 2008 10:42 AM >To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >Hello Evan, > >Please read my comments interspersed below > >-----Original Message----- >From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] >Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:37 PM >To: Dominik Filipp >Cc: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >>Hello Dominik, >> >>The way it was put to us -- those of us who >>strongly advanced abolishing the AGP -- >>was essentially this: >> >>"Our primary goal is getting rid of tasting, which >>will likely happen by widely mandating the partial >>measures already initiated by two registries. Total >>AGP elimination will be strenuously opposed by the >>financial interests, so there's no way that will happen. >>Why back a position that has no chance of succeeding? >>We should be seen as going along with a >>broadly-supported measure that directly addresses >>tasting and has a chance to be implemented." > >The ALAC is committed to the public to express, reflect and advocate the >best solutions for the public it recognizes and considers as being such. >The ALAC is primarily not obligated to respect any financial interests >but only the bylaws, the ICANN core values and the original mission >goals the ALAC was established on. Accepting the financial logic would >mean that the ALAC would definitely give in to unfair and fraudulent >practices and as such would be rightly accused of suspect collaboration >based on pursuing non-public interests. > >In case of domain tasting the situation is clear. For the public the AGP >elimination is by far the best solution. The ALAC should hold it and >pronounce it explicitly and loudly. This is the only honest solution >towards the community the ALAC advocates and should always advocate. >Keep in mind that so far there has not been any single common >constituency/wider-public discussion organized addressing the AGP >elimination properly whatsoever. Upon what then the ALAC should have to >consider a possible compromise when none argument-base has ever been >collected and considered? Upon financial and political bargaining? Is >this the way the ALAC wants to follow? If so then we all should quickly >forget all the pro-public mission goals and honestly admit: Yes, the >ALAC is definitely part of the sham and we all are fraudsters misusing >public money just helping pretend the service to the public. Even worse, >the far biggest guilt would lay on ALAC's shoulders because it is the >only body, neither registrars nor registries nor any other constituency, >that is primarily responsible for defending wide public interests. There >is no any third way to follow; either we are part of the sham or we act >as a self-confident independent body with full sense of the >accountability delegated. I believe the latter choice is the case. > >There is nothing difficult here. The ALAC will express the statement it >stands for and the board will vote. It is that simple. And if this >motion will eventually be refused and domain tasting will again be >reinstated then it will be clear whose responsibility it is. This is >extremely important to know for the record and for history that the ALAC >acted accountably and warned the board about possible persisting abuse. >I do not see any single reason why the ALAC should help carry that >burden on its shoulders for a decision it has never stood for. Take >hands away from it. > > >>My analysis of this is twofold: >> >>- ALAC does not yet have the maturity nor the >>confidence to advance a position that it perceives >>to be extremely unpopular with other constituencies, >>even if that position accurately reflects the >>public sentiment. > >Then, indeed, it is the right time for the ALAC to get matured. Once it >happens the other constituencies will start taking the ALAC seriously. >As it really deserves. > > >>- It's always easier to attack the symptom than >>the cause, even though leaving the cause intact >>will likely lead to future problems. Tasting is >>the symptom, AGP is the cause. While the currently >>proposed partial measures will indeed reduce much >>tasting, leaving the AGP untouched appears to be >>a clear invitation to bad agents to invent new >>forms of abuse. > >Exactly right. > > >>I have personally come to the conclusion that ALAC, >>in its current form, will do whatever it can to >>avoid confrontation with other constituencies. > >This, however, is sort of childish behavior resembling a child >compulsively addicted to their parents or elder siblings. No wonder such >a child is not taken seriously. > > >>Some of this sentiment is understandable, given >>the limitations imposed on it by the nature of >>its constitution. After all, even GNSO is only >>now coming to realize the detrimental effects >>of having voting members who are unaccountable >>to anyone. Indeed, one can easily argue that >>ICANN as a whole is scared of confronting the >>registries and registrars, given the problems >>to date in even enforcing existing policy. > >You are absolutely right here and I am happy you have recognized this. >ICANN as a whole is scared of those who claim themselves as being >powerful and influential. They are not only registrars and registries >but also the servile officers helping cover their activities. They are >spreading out all the fear among people. But open your eyes and look at >them without fear, you'll find narrow-minded people addicted to their >benefits, or exploiting the ICANN mission on purpose, some not >interested in nearly anything just peacefully lost in golden slumbers. >But there is also a number of honest people that are trying to do >something meaningful themselves being scared by the rest though. Do you >still think we should scare of such people? Some of them at high >positions do not follow the ICANN mission as an organization >representing multi-stakeholder community and should therefore be >recognized and treated accordingly. Either they will come around or they >will have to go. > > >>Other factors arise from the broad internal >>diversity of ALAC, within which the desire >>to achieve consensus will usually lead to >>compromise positions. > >This is a legitimate question/problem and needs to be addressed. In >general, making compromise positions is a normal thing, there is nothing >wrong with it. Just, we should not mistake compromise for backdown. > > >>As a result, I can accept advancing the current >>partial answer to tasting with the understanding >>that this is a transitional action. AGP elimination >>remains the ultimate goal -- at least within NARALO >>-- though I am unsure if ALAC in its current form >>is even capable of advancing that position as >>forcefully as will be necessary to succeed. > >Well, I see a problem here. In my opinion, there is no any transactional >action intended in mind. Once the tasting will be approved this way or >another it will be kept as is for a very long time. Have a brief look at >the current final statement and you'll find how tricky it is formulated. >If during the next two years of (dysfunctional) ICANN oversight a public >outrage appears again it will be consolidated (put out) by waking up the >oversight committee that will try to curb it by (this time functional) >oversight to calm the outrage. And this might be going on and on in such >waves during the upcoming two years. Indeed, a weak concept. > > >>That, Dominik, is my personal answer regarding why >>I have not been pushing this issue harder. ALAC has >>enough other things on its plate. :-) >> >>- Evan > >Oh, come on. Have a rest for a while and things will be getting better. >There is not that much to do. >If we fail in this the plate will soon be full of leftovers :-) > > >Have a nice weekend > >Dominik > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework andConflicts of Interest Policy
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 9, 2008

May 9, 2008

Louis and all, Frankly I have never had any problem with understanding either traditional French or Quebecer. But than again I am mearly and american, so what do I know, right? However just as frankly, as some of my relatives are French and live in the south of France and others live near Paris I recognized early in my life that because there are some intrensic differences in Southern French and Parisian French and that sometimes the two cultures get irritated with each others manner of speaking French that such is more of an attitude problem than it is a understanding each other problem. Realizing of course, that French people are still of the mistaken notion that French is the language of diplomacy, and once long ago it was predominantly, their passion for proper french to be spoken remains as a carry over from long ago... English is the predominant language of deplomacy and commonality. I don't see that changing in my life time, unless of course the Chinese business influence becomes more prominant. Than and if of course there will be a much bigger problem as there are many different dialects of Chinese, a few or which I speak well, but some are so different that direct translation in very difficult, yet the Chinese seem to manage quite well. Why don't the French? So to conclude, get over it and move on please... Oh yes, and by the way, although I don't travel that much any more, when I did and went to Quebec I spoke French, and no one mentioned to me that they did not understand me quite well. I also always have had great fun in Quebec as well! >:) Vive la France! -----Original Message----- >From: Louis Houle <louis.houle(a)oricom.ca> >Sent: May 9, 2008 5:03 AM >To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com> >Cc: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com>, Nick Ashton-Hart <Nick.Ashton-Hart(a)icann.org>, info(a)ipc.org, avri(a)acm.org, twomey(a)icann.org, aheineman(a)ntia.doc.gov, NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework andConflicts of Interest Policy > >Hi Jeffrey and all > > >We are talking here about differences between two different >languages...but if you wish, I have a series of stories, that long, >related to French visitors misunderstanding a Quebecer speaking French >and vice-versa. In Canada, willful French and English Canadian >politicians are still searching how to translate two words in both >languages: «distinct society». It became a significant problem ! >My understanding is that you're part of the 8 % of the world's >population that can cope with at least two different languages. Great ! >I would definitely trust your translation before Google's, Altavista's, etc. > >I don't buy your point of view so I suggest that we end this discussion >on line but next time you come in Quebec City, give me a buzz and we >will talk it over. I will introduce you to one of our «distinct» ISOC >Quebec member who spent is whole career writing standards for ISO in >French and English. Fun garanteed... > >Bonne journée > >Louis Houle >Président >ISOC Québec > > > >Jeffrey A. Williams a écrit : >> Louis and all, >> >> Thanks for your interesting response, Louis. However >> in most cases within a language centric culture, the nuanced >> differences are minimal and usually understood by that broad >> social group/culture. One particular excpetion would be >> Chinese and the many different dialects and vast differences >> in Chinese cultures. As many of my relitives are French and >> most that are, live in various regions in France, yet have no >> problem with understanding each other. Other of my relitives >> live in Spain where Basque in some areas is dramatically >> different the Castilion Spanish which has some minor differences >> from laton american spanish, but not so great that good understanding >> is significantly impacted. So to say to me, "Try it", well I have >> many, many times and have had little significant problems. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Louis Houle <louis.houle(a)oricom.ca> >>> Sent: Apr 29, 2008 5:39 PM >>> To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com> >>> Cc: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com>, Nick Ashton-Hart <Nick.Ashton-Hart(a)icann.org>, info(a)ipc.org, avri(a)acm.org, twomey(a)icann.org, aheineman(a)ntia.doc.gov, NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework andConflicts of Interest Policy >>> >>> Jeffrey A. Williams a écrit : >>> >>>> Jacque and all, >>>> >>>> Indeed language translation is a barrior to some users, >>>> yet English is the boradly excepted international language >>>> and has been nearly all of my lifetime. Additionally language >>>> translation software is readily avaliable and has been for >>>> at least 5 or 6 years that I am aware of. So the lack of >>>> being able to cope with the differences in language is >>>> a weak argument at best. Try again! >>>> >>>> >>> One might find out some differences between cultures, languages, >>> Jeffrey. Try it. Concerning translation software, the running gag in my >>> office is to test the newest translator, to process an inoffensive text >>> >> >from French to English to French again. You always end up with two >> >>> different stories. The funniest comes up when you pour in what we call >>> «false friends» which is the same word in two different languages with a >>> different meaning. Ex.: «capitation» : a form of contracted dental care >>> (English) or a donation to your favorite church (French). If you don't >>> have a cultural background in both languages, the translation software >>> doesn't have it either. Try harder Jeffrey. >>> >>> Ami calmant ! >>> >>>> >>>> As for the elderly aunt or taxi driver dogma, we, INRGroup, >>>> have members from all walks of like and means of employment. >>>> All are registrants. We have only a few that are actuall >>>> taxi drivers that I know of, I believe the last count was >>>> 12. We have a healthy number of elderly members that are >>>> over 65, and 4 or 5 that are 100 or slightly older. Yet >>>> ICANN doesn't seem to be all that interested in hearing from >>>> them for whatever reasons, some of which in the past have >>>> been stated by leaders of the registry constituency and >>>> the IPC very clearly and with much disdane I might add. >>>> That's not exceptable, and should never be exceptable. >>>> The RIAA comes to mind in specific here as a member of >>>> the IPC. As such, we have been calling for the IPC >>>> to revoke the RIAA's membership accordingly as a solution. >>>> >>>> So no, I don't see your agrument with Danny as being >>>> all that convincing at all... And certainly is not convincing >>>> to any of our members. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> >>>>> Sent: Apr 14, 2008 1:12 PM >>>>> To: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com>, "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson(a)GOV.NU.CA>, Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org>, Nick Ashton-Hart <Nick.Ashton-Hart(a)icann.org> >>>>> Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework andConflicts of Interest Policy >>>>> >>>>> Well Danny >>>>> I'm unaware of any RALOs that have been in existence more than 6 years. The >>>>> oldest has been in existence for 18 months or so, and has not been able to >>>>> participate meaningfully yet as LAC isn't English speaking, and the >>>>> information given to us is almost all in English, so pretty much there's >>>>> little that can happen there. NARALO is more active, as it doesn't have the >>>>> language barrier, and doesn't have to wait for documents to be translated, >>>>> like LACRALO, & AFRI-RALO. >>>>> If you check the ALS listing, most haven't been involved for more than 2 >>>>> years either. So, we obviously aren't the people to whom you are directing >>>>> this. >>>>> >>>>> I also venture that people who write blogs on ICANN subjects are not >>>>> broadly representative of the General Public. So reading those blogs >>>>> probably won't fulfill the mandate to get the public involved. >>>>> >>>>> How long have the working groups been formed? Has any information been >>>>> posted in Spanish or Portuguese so that LAC volunteers can join in? >>>>> Personally, I'd be loathe to join a working group that is discussing a >>>>> series of technical documents in a language that I can't read! What would be >>>>> the point of that? Probably would be a giant waste of time for all involved. >>>>> So, if the documents are translated in time for me to read them and the >>>>> system is set up so that I can respond in my own language and have my >>>>> opinions taken into consideration, it would be far more likely that I would >>>>> join a WG. OF course, the WG would also have to be on a topic that was >>>>> affecting me or people I knew in my region. Or maybe even something I might >>>>> be interested in from a pure intellectual curiosity standpoint. But it would >>>>> have to gain my interest somehow before I'd join. >>>>> >>>>> I think you are definitely confusing the NCUC academic research people with >>>>> the general public. Academics whose work is in the field of Internet >>>>> Governance are far more likely to do research in the area, duh. Consumer >>>>> organizations are also likely to do so, and there's a lot of outreach in >>>>> the at Large towards those. The taxi driver who has a facebook page, or my >>>>> aunt with her yahoo email are less likely to participate in meaningful >>>>> research, except as directed by others. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jacqueline >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Danny Younger" <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:39 PM >>>>> To: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson(a)GOV.NU.CA>; "Jacqueline A. Morris" >>>>> <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com>; "Evan Leibovitch" <evan(a)telly.org>; "Nick >>>>> Ashton-Hart" <Nick.Ashton-Hart(a)icann.org> >>>>> Cc: "NA Discuss" <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>>> Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework >>>>> andConflicts of Interest Policy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> If all that ICANN wants is "public opinion", they >>>>>> could easily be reading the relevant news articles and >>>>>> blogs that express the public's sentiment -- they >>>>>> certainly don't need to be spending hundreds of >>>>>> thousands of dollars to bring organizational >>>>>> representatives into their midst on a periodic basis >>>>>> just to accomplish that goal -- they could (for a lot >>>>>> less money) hire a group like Pew to conduct the >>>>>> necessary surveys and polls. >>>>>> >>>>>> But opinion alone is not what ICANN is after. >>>>>> >>>>>> They want real solutions to real problems... that >>>>>> means that they are expecting an Advisory Committee to >>>>>> engage in research, to declare their findings based >>>>>> upon the research, and to arrive at recommendations >>>>>> based upon the findings. >>>>>> >>>>>> As this hasn't been happening and as there is no >>>>>> likelihood that this will ever happen (just look at >>>>>> all the empty Working Groups), the ALAC has no >>>>>> continuing purpose. >>>>>> >>>>>> Organizations with no continuing purpose (like the >>>>>> former Protocol Supporting Organization) that drain >>>>>> ICANN's financial resources should most certainly be >>>>>> discontinued. >>>>>> >>>>>> Those few ALSs that want to continue their involvement >>>>>> could readily migrate to the NCUC where research does >>>>>> happen, where findings are noted, and where policy >>>>>> recommendations do emerge. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's time to call an end to this six-year long failed >>>>>> experiment. The PSO was discontinued after two years, >>>>>> the GNSO General Assembly was discontinued as a >>>>>> representative unit after four years -- you've had >>>>>> more than ample time to prove the worth of the >>>>>> ALAC/RALO model, and the model has failed to get the >>>>>> job done. >>>>>> >>>>>> I see no ongoing value in pouring more money down this >>>>>> rathole. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson(a)GOV.NU.CA> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 9, 2008

May 9, 2008

Dominik and all, Your correct in that the ALAC's statement on Domain name Tasting was not based on the majority of comments from the ALAC members or the ALS'es, but rather the desire of a few ( 3 or 4 ) or the ALAC's and ALS'es "Leaders" whom have themselves stated that were being overwhelmed with comments and remarks regarding same. Such attitudes or precieved attitudes are inconsistant with good leadership, undermine the members and misrepresent the actual consensus however unmeasured, of the members participating. That sort of leadership is not reasonably exceptable! >:( Therefore I request that an agenda item be added to this Teleconference that deals directly, and bluntly with the errant act in the improper statement of Domain Name Tasting that was put forward in our names and propose that those responsible step down so that responsible leadership can be elected by the members and that it be resolved that the statement be recinded in favor of the actual consensus which was the elimination of the AGP as the method of addressing and solving Domain Name tasting. Additionally I request that IP Hijacking be added as an immediate issue that needs addressing quickly and that this issue be added to the agenda for the ALAC Teleconference as well. Finnaly I also request that the issue or mis configured DNS'es such as but not excluded to hovtek.com.au, Telly.org, ietf.org, franceatlarge.org, and ICANN.ORG be added to the agenda so that these very dangerous in some instances, misconfigured DNS'es will not be a source of harm or damage to unwitting users or otherwise. -----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Sent: May 9, 2008 3:56 AM >To: cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au, alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >I would recommend that the participants of the teleconference 13 May >raise a demand to reconsider the current ALAC statement on domain >tasting in favour of the previously supported stronger position based on >the AGP elimination, as it much better addresses the concerns of the >public community. > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >[mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Cheryl >Langdon-Orr >Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:48 AM >To: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >Please Note that the meeting page has now been updated to include >several items for Discussion / Decision ... And that the agenda is still >subject to changes / additions proposed by ALAC Members > >CLO > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp [mailto:dominik.filipp@dsoft.sk] >Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 7:06 PM >To: cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au; Matthias Langenegger; >alac-internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: RE: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >Ah sorry, I missed the note about the Discussion items being in >preparation. >Please send them to us when available. > >Thanks > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >[mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Dominik >Filipp >Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:56 AM >To: cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au; Matthias Langenegger; >alac-internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >I cannot find Domain Tasting there. > >Where is it? > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr [mailto:cheryl@hovtek.com.au] >Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:41 AM >To: Dominik Filipp; 'Matthias Langenegger'; >alac-internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: RE: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >The Agenda is / will be found here >https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?13_may_2008 as Matthias mentioned >in his email Discussion items will be uploaded shortly... > >CLO > >-----Original Message----- >From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >[mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Dominik >Filipp >Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 5:49 PM >To: Matthias Langenegger; alac-internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; >alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >Is there a list of issues to be discussed during the teleconference >available? > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >[mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Matthias >Langenegger >Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:06 AM >To: alac-internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >Dear all, > >This is to remind you about the upcoming monthly ALAC teleconference >taking place on Tuesday, 13 May at 1330 UTC. Please find additional >information such as participation instructions on the link below. > >https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?13_may_2008 > >A draft meeting agenda will be uploaded shortly. There will be Spanish >and French interpretation for this call. If you would like to be on the >French or the Spanish channel or if you would like to be on the English >channel and need to be dialed out to, please make sure your name is on >the dial-out list on the meeting page. > >Best Regards, >-- >Matthias Langenegger >At-Large Coordination Officer >Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > >Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org >Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 >Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 >Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann >.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann >.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann >.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann >.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework andConflicts of Interest Policy
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 9, 2008

May 9, 2008

Louis and all, Thanks for your interesting response, Louis. However in most cases within a language centric culture, the nuanced differences are minimal and usually understood by that broad social group/culture. One particular excpetion would be Chinese and the many different dialects and vast differences in Chinese cultures. As many of my relitives are French and most that are, live in various regions in France, yet have no problem with understanding each other. Other of my relitives live in Spain where Basque in some areas is dramatically different the Castilion Spanish which has some minor differences from laton american spanish, but not so great that good understanding is significantly impacted. So to say to me, "Try it", well I have many, many times and have had little significant problems. -----Original Message----- >From: Louis Houle <louis.houle(a)oricom.ca> >Sent: Apr 29, 2008 5:39 PM >To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com> >Cc: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com>, Nick Ashton-Hart <Nick.Ashton-Hart(a)icann.org>, info(a)ipc.org, avri(a)acm.org, twomey(a)icann.org, aheineman(a)ntia.doc.gov, NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework andConflicts of Interest Policy > >Jeffrey A. Williams a écrit : >> Jacque and all, >> >> Indeed language translation is a barrior to some users, >> yet English is the boradly excepted international language >> and has been nearly all of my lifetime. Additionally language >> translation software is readily avaliable and has been for >> at least 5 or 6 years that I am aware of. So the lack of >> being able to cope with the differences in language is >> a weak argument at best. Try again! >> >One might find out some differences between cultures, languages, >Jeffrey. Try it. Concerning translation software, the running gag in my >office is to test the newest translator, to process an inoffensive text >from French to English to French again. You always end up with two >different stories. The funniest comes up when you pour in what we call >«false friends» which is the same word in two different languages with a >different meaning. Ex.: «capitation» : a form of contracted dental care >(English) or a donation to your favorite church (French). If you don't >have a cultural background in both languages, the translation software >doesn't have it either. Try harder Jeffrey. > >Ami calmant ! >> >> As for the elderly aunt or taxi driver dogma, we, INRGroup, >> have members from all walks of like and means of employment. >> All are registrants. We have only a few that are actuall >> taxi drivers that I know of, I believe the last count was >> 12. We have a healthy number of elderly members that are >> over 65, and 4 or 5 that are 100 or slightly older. Yet >> ICANN doesn't seem to be all that interested in hearing from >> them for whatever reasons, some of which in the past have >> been stated by leaders of the registry constituency and >> the IPC very clearly and with much disdane I might add. >> That's not exceptable, and should never be exceptable. >> The RIAA comes to mind in specific here as a member of >> the IPC. As such, we have been calling for the IPC >> to revoke the RIAA's membership accordingly as a solution. >> >> So no, I don't see your agrument with Danny as being >> all that convincing at all... And certainly is not convincing >> to any of our members. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> >>> Sent: Apr 14, 2008 1:12 PM >>> To: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com>, "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson(a)GOV.NU.CA>, Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org>, Nick Ashton-Hart <Nick.Ashton-Hart(a)icann.org> >>> Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework andConflicts of Interest Policy >>> >>> Well Danny >>> I'm unaware of any RALOs that have been in existence more than 6 years. The >>> oldest has been in existence for 18 months or so, and has not been able to >>> participate meaningfully yet as LAC isn't English speaking, and the >>> information given to us is almost all in English, so pretty much there's >>> little that can happen there. NARALO is more active, as it doesn't have the >>> language barrier, and doesn't have to wait for documents to be translated, >>> like LACRALO, & AFRI-RALO. >>> If you check the ALS listing, most haven't been involved for more than 2 >>> years either. So, we obviously aren't the people to whom you are directing >>> this. >>> >>> I also venture that people who write blogs on ICANN subjects are not >>> broadly representative of the General Public. So reading those blogs >>> probably won't fulfill the mandate to get the public involved. >>> >>> How long have the working groups been formed? Has any information been >>> posted in Spanish or Portuguese so that LAC volunteers can join in? >>> Personally, I'd be loathe to join a working group that is discussing a >>> series of technical documents in a language that I can't read! What would be >>> the point of that? Probably would be a giant waste of time for all involved. >>> So, if the documents are translated in time for me to read them and the >>> system is set up so that I can respond in my own language and have my >>> opinions taken into consideration, it would be far more likely that I would >>> join a WG. OF course, the WG would also have to be on a topic that was >>> affecting me or people I knew in my region. Or maybe even something I might >>> be interested in from a pure intellectual curiosity standpoint. But it would >>> have to gain my interest somehow before I'd join. >>> >>> I think you are definitely confusing the NCUC academic research people with >>> the general public. Academics whose work is in the field of Internet >>> Governance are far more likely to do research in the area, duh. Consumer >>> organizations are also likely to do so, and there's a lot of outreach in >>> the at Large towards those. The taxi driver who has a facebook page, or my >>> aunt with her yahoo email are less likely to participate in meaningful >>> research, except as directed by others. >>> >>> >>> Jacqueline >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Danny Younger" <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> >>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:39 PM >>> To: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson(a)GOV.NU.CA>; "Jacqueline A. Morris" >>> <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com>; "Evan Leibovitch" <evan(a)telly.org>; "Nick >>> Ashton-Hart" <Nick.Ashton-Hart(a)icann.org> >>> Cc: "NA Discuss" <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>> Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework >>> andConflicts of Interest Policy >>> >>> >>>> If all that ICANN wants is "public opinion", they >>>> could easily be reading the relevant news articles and >>>> blogs that express the public's sentiment -- they >>>> certainly don't need to be spending hundreds of >>>> thousands of dollars to bring organizational >>>> representatives into their midst on a periodic basis >>>> just to accomplish that goal -- they could (for a lot >>>> less money) hire a group like Pew to conduct the >>>> necessary surveys and polls. >>>> >>>> But opinion alone is not what ICANN is after. >>>> >>>> They want real solutions to real problems... that >>>> means that they are expecting an Advisory Committee to >>>> engage in research, to declare their findings based >>>> upon the research, and to arrive at recommendations >>>> based upon the findings. >>>> >>>> As this hasn't been happening and as there is no >>>> likelihood that this will ever happen (just look at >>>> all the empty Working Groups), the ALAC has no >>>> continuing purpose. >>>> >>>> Organizations with no continuing purpose (like the >>>> former Protocol Supporting Organization) that drain >>>> ICANN's financial resources should most certainly be >>>> discontinued. >>>> >>>> Those few ALSs that want to continue their involvement >>>> could readily migrate to the NCUC where research does >>>> happen, where findings are noted, and where policy >>>> recommendations do emerge. >>>> >>>> It's time to call an end to this six-year long failed >>>> experiment. The PSO was discontinued after two years, >>>> the GNSO General Assembly was discontinued as a >>>> representative unit after four years -- you've had >>>> more than ample time to prove the worth of the >>>> ALAC/RALO model, and the model has failed to get the >>>> job done. >>>> >>>> I see no ongoing value in pouring more money down this >>>> rathole. >>>> >>>> >>>> --- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson(a)GOV.NU.CA> wrote: >>>> >>>> >Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

2 1

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 9, 2008

May 9, 2008

Dominik and all, Yes I am aware that the issues I briefly outlined are subject matter for the GNSO Improvements. But also many of the issues I briefly outlined are central to the ALAC and the ALS'es including the NARALO. This is why I mentioned them on this thread. However thank you for again emphisizing that the issues I briefly mentioned are inclusive to the necessary improvements to the GNSO and have been sense it replaced the DNSO and were never implimented for a number of special interest objection reasons. As long as the GNSO councils members are predominantly controled by a few special interest constituencies, progress, solving of issues will either never occur, or be very problamatic and likely end up with compermises that don't solve those problems or are symptomatic at best. Such eventualities are inconsistant with good structure, and leadership. -----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Sent: May 9, 2008 3:18 AM >To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com>, Wendy Seltzer <wendy(a)seltzer.com>, aheineman(a)ntia.doc.gov, na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Cc: At-Large <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, icann-list(a)sorehands.com, Brenbe(a)consumer.org, bfausett(a)internet.law.pro, carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm, john-ietf(a)jck.com, sebastien.bachollet(a)isoc.fr >Subject: RE: [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting > >Jeff, > >All the things you are mentioning is subject matter of the GNSO >Improvements. That is what should be in focus in the first place. > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeffrey A. Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 7:06 AM >To: Dominik Filipp; Wendy Seltzer; aheineman(a)ntia.doc.gov; >na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Cc: At-Large; icann-list(a)sorehands.com; Brenbe(a)consumer.org; >bfausett(a)internet.law.pro; carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm; >denise.michel(a)icann.org; john-ietf(a)jck.com; Jeff.Neuman(a)neustar.us; >nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org; twomey(a)icann.org; stacy.burnette(a)icann.org; >sebastien.bachollet(a)isoc.fr >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting > >Dominik and all, > > My and our members main problem with the ALAC, the ALS'es and the >NARALO is a complete lack of transparency, openness, and significant >propensity for censorship that has already been displayed. > > The problems with the ALAC structure, the GNSO structure are nearly >the same the ALAC and the GNSO are wanting or seemingly wanting to >restrict based on various unreasonable and improper rule making, active >participation and membership of all classes of stakeholders be they >users or registrant-users of various sorts. This does not boad well for >ICANN meeting it's mission requirements and significantly undermines the >MOU. As such, there can be no policy decision that has any form of >legitimate consensus, and certainly not measured consensus. > > Of course all of the above has been, and remains the central and >predominant question as to ICANN's legitimacy sense it's conception. > > If indeed openness and transparency as well as accountability are ever >to be achieved no stakeholder can be denied both a voice and a vote as >to any policy that may be considered, nor can any stakeholder, most >especially users be denied or moderated from access and intimidated or >refused the ability to propose policy to any public resource including >public forums such as these. Of course this would require that users >regardless of status, have the predominant position on the ICANN board, >the GSNO council, and within or as a part of any ALS, including of >course the NARALO. > > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >>Sent: May 8, 2008 8:38 AM >>To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org>, Wendy Seltzer <wendy(a)seltzer.com> >>Cc: At-Large <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>Subject: Re: [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting >> >>Evan, >> >>If you or NARALO have any concerns or objections to the joint statement > >>worth mentioning, just enumerate them here. I think, at this stage, the > >>new structure needs not be entirely clarified. In my opinion, the >>important think to decide now is whether to fix the main model based on >>3 or 4 groups. Notwithstanding the strange circumstances under which >>the statement was negotiated, issued and barely discussed, the joint >>statement based on 3 stakeholder groups seems to me quite reasonable. >> >>Sure, there may be questionable/disputable details in the statement, >>but I think there will be an additional room to allow for a further >>refinement. >> >>However, if your objections are of serious nature we can then update or > >>reconsider the statement. >> >>Dominik >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>[mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan >>Leibovitch >>Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:17 AM >>To: Wendy Seltzer >>Cc: At-Large >>Subject: Re: [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting >> >>Hi Wendy, >>> While the summit is budgeted separately from the Cairo meeting, in >>> the >>> 2008-09 budget, some Board members raised concerns about the expected > >>> cost. The Summit team and At-Large should be prepared with >>> compelling >> >>> explanations of the proposed summit's value to ICANN. >>> >>This issue was raised in the Summit WG confcall just concluded. >> >>It was noted that >>-- the ICANN meeting following Cairo (spring 2009) is scheduled for >>Latin America, and not necessarily likely to be less expensive. >>-- The Cairo meeting is a 10th anniversary for ICANN and thus has >>special significance (and publicity potential) >>-- ICANN has not to date considered finances of accessibility when >>planning meeting locations; it should not penalize At-Large because of >>this. >> >>> With regard to the GNSO Improvements plan, I'd like to know what ALAC > >>> and At-Large want conveyed to the Board. At the moment ALAC is >>> signed >> >>> on to a joint statement about which I've heard much concern on both >>> process and substance. >>> >>Unfortunately, so far it appears that NARALO is the only region to have > >>expressed concern so far; I wonder if we are alone in our objections. >> >>To my knowledge, so far other regions are OK with the current joint >>statement, though I am not aware of a formal vote or consensus in >>approval. NARALO is considering whether to issue a side comment but I'm > >>not sure if that does (or can) affect the content of the joint >>statement as it has currently been negotiated. >> >>> The ALAC review was discussed, and it was noted that this is an >"ALAC" >> >>> review and not a review of all of "At Large's" place in the ICANN >>structure. >>> >>This strikes me as somewhat disingenuous. Given the central role of >>ALAC in the current constitution of At-Large, it is impossible to >>completely separate the two. >> >>Can you clairify what they meant? >> >>- Evan >> >>_______________________________________________ >>ALAC mailing list >>ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.ican >>n >>.org >> >>At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >>ALAC mailing list >>ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.ican >>n.org >> >>At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 9, 2008

May 9, 2008

Dominik and all, My and our members main problem with the ALAC, the ALS'es and the NARALO is a complete lack of transparency, openness, and significant propensity for censorship that has already been displayed. The problems with the ALAC structure, the GNSO structure are nearly the same the ALAC and the GNSO are wanting or seemingly wanting to restrict based on various unreasonable and improper rule making, active participation and membership of all classes of stakeholders be they users or registrant-users of various sorts. This does not boad well for ICANN meeting it's mission requirements and significantly undermines the MOU. As such, there can be no policy decision that has any form of legitimate consensus, and certainly not measured consensus. Of course all of the above has been, and remains the central and predominant question as to ICANN's legitimacy sense it's conception. If indeed openness and transparency as well as accountability are ever to be achieved no stakeholder can be denied both a voice and a vote as to any policy that may be considered, nor can any stakeholder, most especially users be denied or moderated from access and intimidated or refused the ability to propose policy to any public resource including public forums such as these. Of course this would require that users regardless of status, have the predominant position on the ICANN board, the GSNO council, and within or as a part of any ALS, including of course the NARALO. -----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Sent: May 8, 2008 8:38 AM >To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org>, Wendy Seltzer <wendy(a)seltzer.com> >Cc: At-Large <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting > >Evan, > >If you or NARALO have any concerns or objections to the joint statement >worth mentioning, just enumerate them here. I think, at this stage, the >new structure needs not be entirely clarified. In my opinion, the >important think to decide now is whether to fix the main model based on >3 or 4 groups. Notwithstanding the strange circumstances under which the >statement was negotiated, issued and barely discussed, the joint >statement based on 3 stakeholder groups seems to me quite reasonable. > >Sure, there may be questionable/disputable details in the statement, but >I think there will be an additional room to allow for a further >refinement. > >However, if your objections are of serious nature we can then update or >reconsider the statement. > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >[mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan >Leibovitch >Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:17 AM >To: Wendy Seltzer >Cc: At-Large >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting > >Hi Wendy, >> While the summit is budgeted separately from the Cairo meeting, in the >> 2008-09 budget, some Board members raised concerns about the expected >> cost. The Summit team and At-Large should be prepared with compelling > >> explanations of the proposed summit's value to ICANN. >> >This issue was raised in the Summit WG confcall just concluded. > >It was noted that >-- the ICANN meeting following Cairo (spring 2009) is scheduled for >Latin America, and not necessarily likely to be less expensive. >-- The Cairo meeting is a 10th anniversary for ICANN and thus has >special significance (and publicity potential) >-- ICANN has not to date considered finances of accessibility when >planning meeting locations; it should not penalize At-Large because of >this. > >> With regard to the GNSO Improvements plan, I'd like to know what ALAC >> and At-Large want conveyed to the Board. At the moment ALAC is signed > >> on to a joint statement about which I've heard much concern on both >> process and substance. >> >Unfortunately, so far it appears that NARALO is the only region to have >expressed concern so far; I wonder if we are alone in our objections. > >To my knowledge, so far other regions are OK with the current joint >statement, though I am not aware of a formal vote or consensus in >approval. NARALO is considering whether to issue a side comment but I'm >not sure if that does (or can) affect the content of the joint statement >as it has currently been negotiated. > >> The ALAC review was discussed, and it was noted that this is an "ALAC" > >> review and not a review of all of "At Large's" place in the ICANN >structure. >> >This strikes me as somewhat disingenuous. Given the central role of ALAC >in the current constitution of At-Large, it is impossible to completely >separate the two. > >Can you clairify what they meant? > >- Evan > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann >.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

2 1

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 8, 2008

May 8, 2008

Dominik and all, I didn't find Domain Name Tasting at the URL Matthias provided either. I can only guess that either ICANN is not interested for whatever reasons to actually solve the Domain Name Tasting problem and are happy with their half-baked solution, or are so embarased by Domain Name Tasting that it was purposfully not put on the agenda and seemingly wish to sweep the problem under the rug, so to speek... -----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Sent: May 7, 2008 1:56 AM >To: cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org>, alac-internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >I cannot find Domain Tasting there. > >Where is it? > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr [mailto:cheryl@hovtek.com.au] >Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:41 AM >To: Dominik Filipp; 'Matthias Langenegger'; >alac-internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: RE: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >The Agenda is / will be found here >https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?13_may_2008 as Matthias mentioned >in his email Discussion items will be uploaded shortly... > >CLO > >-----Original Message----- >From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >[mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Dominik >Filipp >Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 5:49 PM >To: Matthias Langenegger; alac-internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; >alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >Is there a list of issues to be discussed during the teleconference >available? > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >[mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Matthias >Langenegger >Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:06 AM >To: alac-internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC > >Dear all, > >This is to remind you about the upcoming monthly ALAC teleconference >taking place on Tuesday, 13 May at 1330 UTC. Please find additional >information such as participation instructions on the link below. > >https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?13_may_2008 > >A draft meeting agenda will be uploaded shortly. There will be Spanish >and French interpretation for this call. If you would like to be on the >French or the Spanish channel or if you would like to be on the English >channel and need to be dialed out to, please make sure your name is on >the dial-out list on the meeting page. > >Best Regards, >-- >Matthias Langenegger >At-Large Coordination Officer >Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > >Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org >Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 >Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 >Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann >.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann >.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 8, 2008

May 8, 2008

Wendy and all, Thank you for you interesting and seemingly well reasoned and frank remarks. My only comments are that the ALAC is still too disinclusive, seemingly intent of exclusion of users be they non-registrant users or registrant-users. Second, process within the ALAC is far too complex and as such also represents a barrier to praticipation and interest. This is certainly not a healthy thing. Third, ALS'es role in the ALAC and ICANN doesn't seem to be well thought out and seeks to segment, ergo devide users into catagories by country or origin which is not in the best interest of ICANN and can be by design, a catalist for introducing controversy where otherwise such would not always or even likely exist. As Lincoln said, a divided house cannot stand... -----Original Message----- >From: Wendy Seltzer <wendy(a)seltzer.com> >Sent: May 7, 2008 2:34 PM >To: At-Large <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting > >This will serve as my April-May liaison report. > >Preliminary minutes from the Board's April 20 meeting are now online. ><http://www.icann.org/minutes/prelim-report-30apr08.htm> > >I was unable to make this meeting because it was 2 am locally, and a >power outage cut my alarm clock. From the minutes and from follow-on >conversations, however, I note several items of interest to At Large: > >The At-Large Summit, ALAC review, and GNSO improvements. > >While the summit is budgeted separately from the Cairo meeting, in the >2008-09 budget, some Board members raised concerns about the expected >cost. The Summit team and At-Large should be prepared with compelling >explanations of the proposed summit's value to ICANN. > >With regard to the GNSO Improvements plan, I'd like to know what ALAC >and At-Large want conveyed to the Board. At the moment ALAC is signed >on to a joint statement about which I've heard much concern on both >process and substance. > >>From the minutes: >> The Chair was interested in the GNSO review and improvements and inquired as to whether Susan Crawford was working with the GNSO on implementation of the recommendations. Roberto Gaetano advised that Susan was not chairing but participating, and that she is acting as liaison to the GNSO in order to facilitate the possible implementation. Gaetano continued that the comment period had just ended and that one proposal to have different structure for GNSO Council, or alternatively to go with new proposal of the three stakeholder groups to lump registries and registrars in one group. The proposal came from Philip Sheppard and it is signed by the cross constituencies, NCUC and ALAC. Roberto Gaetano indicated that he would leave it to ALAC Liaison Wendy Seltzer to comment to the Board, but that in his understanding there is a significant discussion about whether ALAC endorses the proposal. Gaetano indicated that there would be additional discussion with the goal of making a decisi >on at the Paris ICANN meeting. > >The ALAC review was discussed, and it was noted that this is an "ALAC" >review and not a review of all of "At Large's" place in the ICANN >structure. > >The Board also authorized steps toward DNSSEC. > >Please let me know if you have questions or comments. > >--Wendy > >-- >Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org >Visiting Professor, Northeastern University School of Law >Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society >http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html >http://www.chillingeffects.org/ >https://www.torproject.org/ > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 8, 2008

May 8, 2008

JFC and all, Interesting response JFC. My remarks and response interspersed below. -----Original Message----- >From: JFC Morfin <jefsey(a)jefsey.com> >Sent: May 7, 2008 5:47 PM >To: Roberto Gaetano <roberto(a)icann.org>, 'Evan Leibovitch' <evan(a)telly.org>, 'Wendy Seltzer' <wendy(a)seltzer.com> >Cc: 'At-Large' <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Prelim minutes from recent Board meeting > >At 01:26 08/05/2008, Roberto Gaetano wrote: >>The point is that what is mandated by the bylaws is the review of ALAC, not >>the review of the concept of AtLarge. This said, since some of the questions >>that are part of the charter do imply a review also of the concepts behind >>ALAC, it is absolutely true that it is impossible to separate the two. For >>instance, there's a question on whether the ALAC has still a role. > >One of our members suggested on this list there is a need to carry a >survey on the ALSes. >What they really are. How they view themselves, what they expect from >ICANN and are ready to retrofit. > >We started discussing this a little bit. Two ideas emerged quickly: Who's we? Got a mouse in your pocket. I've seen very little emerging ideas, but alot or non-releated prognosticating. > >(1) to try to identify if they are ultimately interested in >controlling the ALAC, benefiting from ICANN, or making the Internet >work through ICANN. This has a real impact on the way they can >organise, be motivated, and be of use. However, to have a full >picture, one also needs to know what ICANN plans regarding the other >fora our members attend ... You JFC know and have known that ICANN should be predominantly at the service and "Controled" by the users and registrants as it is these two constituencies that are largely unrepresenteded that pay for ICANN's existance and it's bills. However I recognize fully you amongst a very few others dislike the idea that users and registrants should be driving ICANN policy if not predominantly determining what those policies should be and currently are not. Certainly you JFC amongst a few others have been seeking financial supprot from ICANN so that ALS'es such as Franceatlarge can be funded and additionally that travel expenses for ALS representatives , very loosly stated or recognized ligitimately > also be funded from ICANN's wallet. Frankly to expect such is unreasonable, not ethical, and places any ALS'es members at the whim of ICANN itself, leaving ALS members without a stronge position by which to advocate policy initiatives or address issues from a position of strength. > >(2) there should be a very simple rated questionnaire ALS should >answer every months to report their informed opinion on ICANN issues. >With a possibility to add comments. This would permit to obtain users >tendencies. Documented reports by mails are inadequate for trend >analysis and are too complex to spot, work on, write in English, etc. I seen no good reason for a monthly report as issues can be introduced here or on ALS forums. > >jfc > > > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments on GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS input]
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 7, 2008

May 7, 2008

Dominik and all, Try to remember that registrars do not manage ccTLD's or TLD's of any sort, registries do. Secondly, the AGP can be an aid in managing credit card transactions for registrars as it does buy them some time to research a suspicious transaction. What the AGP also allows for unfortunately, is Domain Name Tasting and Warehousing via speculation. These are not healthy activities but do offer a skewed and new market for Domain Names which depending on which side of the issue one might be, is also less than healthy for ecommerce in general as it generates a significant lack of confidance in the ecommerce broad market as well as provides a haven for fraud's of many other sorts such as phishing, Domain Name 'ghosting', and huge amounts of spam. -----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Sent: May 6, 2008 9:28 AM >To: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments on GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS input] > >Danny, > >I do not think this is necessary. Managing credit card frauds is a >technical aspect other businesses are facing and have to be dealing with >daily. There are scenarios and/or case-studies available on the Internet >describing how to minimize such threat. Just google 'credit + card + >fraud' and you'll get many interesting pages addressing this in detail. > >The simplest solution would be to ask the registrars/registries running >non-AGP based ccTLDs. In fact, most registrars run such ccTLDs so they >already KNOW how to manage it. I do not see a reason to handle this for >them, especially when we are not asked to do that. Furthermore, every >registrar might differ in expectations of how such a mechanism should >work and suit their needs. > >Or, we could consider the suggestions in the first paragraph the >alternative and suitable way. > >Dominik > > >Danny Younger wrote: >>Let's be clear about something... the Registrar >>Constituency's primary argument in favor of retaining >>the AGP is for its use as a device within which credit >>card fraud may be managed. At the very least, if we >>will be arguing to eliminate the AGP, we should be >>offering up an alternative and suitable way to >>mitigate Registrar fraud concerns if we hope to arrive >>at a consensus-based solution. > >>The only way that I can think of having this >>accomplished is via new language in a Credits Section >>within the Service Level Agreement that is part of the >>relevant Registry-Registrar Agreement -- see for >>example http://www.verisign.com/static/002136.pdf > >>This, of course, will require cooperation from the >>Registries who may not be prone to re-drafting their >>agreements. > >>Does anyone else that is advocating AGP elimination >>have any concrete suggestions to deal with the fraud >>concerns that can be put on the table? > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

3 2

Re: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments on GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS input]
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 7, 2008

May 7, 2008

Dominik and all, I understood what you were talking about in your original response/statement. I only was reminding you and others that registrars are not registries and that and that registries manage ccTLD's, not registrars. Nomenclature is important as I am sure you know when making arguments of this sort. I also agree, and I believe that most of our members also agree that the AGP's existence is at best very questionable and registrars arguments for keeping the AGP certainly do not make sense. What is not stated but alluded to only once by Ross, is that registrars are mostly desiring the AGP to remain is that they still gain a registration fee, and ICANN gains additional fees the more registrations of Domain Names that are registered especially with Domain Name Tasters and the registrars that turn blind eye towards that nefarious activity. But the truth, as you know Dominik, is often hard to come by these days, and when it is truthfully exposed, the person exposing it is usually badly treated and/or received. This represents a horrible mindset, but one that has dominated ICANN's decisions sense it's conception. -----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Sent: May 7, 2008 12:39 AM >To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com>, na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments on GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS input] > >Jeff, > >Registrars deal with ccTLDs in terms of ordering the names of such >ccTLDs via credit card system. In such a case the AGP cannot be an aid >in managing credit card transactions simply because it is not >applicable. And nothing happens... >Similarly all other objections listed by registrars make no sense in >such cases. And nothing happens... > >That is what I am talking about. > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeffrey A. Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:36 AM >To: Dominik Filipp; na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments on >GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS input] > >Dominik and all, > > Try to remember that registrars do not manage ccTLD's or TLD's of any >sort, registries do. Secondly, the AGP can be an aid in managing credit >card transactions for registrars as it does buy them some time to >research a suspicious transaction. What the AGP also allows for >unfortunately, is Domain Name Tasting and Warehousing via speculation. >These are not healthy activities but do offer a skewed and new market >for Domain Names which depending on which side of the issue one might >be, is also less than healthy for ecommerce in general as it generates a >significant lack of confidance in the ecommerce broad market as well as >provides a haven for fraud's of many other sorts such as phishing, >Domain Name 'ghosting', and huge amounts of spam. > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >>Sent: May 6, 2008 9:28 AM >>To: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>Subject: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments on >GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS >input] >> >>Danny, >> >>I do not think this is necessary. Managing credit card frauds is a >>technical aspect other businesses are facing and have to be dealing >>with daily. There are scenarios and/or case-studies available on the >>Internet describing how to minimize such threat. Just google 'credit + >>card + fraud' and you'll get many interesting pages addressing this in >detail. >> >>The simplest solution would be to ask the registrars/registries running > >>non-AGP based ccTLDs. In fact, most registrars run such ccTLDs so they >>already KNOW how to manage it. I do not see a reason to handle this for > >>them, especially when we are not asked to do that. Furthermore, every >>registrar might differ in expectations of how such a mechanism should >>work and suit their needs. >> >>Or, we could consider the suggestions in the first paragraph the >>alternative and suitable way. >> >>Dominik >> >> >>Danny Younger wrote: >>>Let's be clear about something... the Registrar Constituency's primary > >>>argument in favor of retaining the AGP is for its use as a device >>>within which credit card fraud may be managed. At the very least, if >>>we will be arguing to eliminate the AGP, we should be offering up an >>>alternative and suitable way to mitigate Registrar fraud concerns if >>>we hope to arrive at a consensus-based solution. >> >>>The only way that I can think of having this accomplished is via new >>>language in a Credits Section within the Service Level Agreement that >>>is part of the relevant Registry-Registrar Agreement -- see for >>>example http://www.verisign.com/static/002136.pdf >> >>>This, of course, will require cooperation from the Registries who may >>>not be prone to re-drafting their agreements. >> >>>Does anyone else that is advocating AGP elimination have any concrete >>>suggestions to deal with the fraud concerns that can be put on the >>>table? >> >>------ >>NA-Discuss mailing list >>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-list >>s.icann.org >> >>Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>------ > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [GTLD-WG] New GTLDs Working Group - Telephonic Meeting and Upcoming Work
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 7, 2008

May 7, 2008

Nick and all, Thank you for posting this. It is clear that ICANN and in particular the GNSO council do not know what the "State of the Art" in respect to the introduction of new gTLD's, nor is their really any such thing as the "State of the Art" respective to gTLD's or the introduction of new gTLD's. This said and hopefully fully understood, I welcome this Telephinic Meeting as there has been little discussion of late regarding the introduction of new gTLD's on this forum or elseware. The criterion of ICANN insisting on or considering insisting on business models and inparticularly financial requirements for new gTLD's is inconsistant with introduction of new business opertunities in ecommerce. It is also illogical that other root structures which have introduced new gTLD's outside of the legacy internet are unfairly being excluded by intent by ICANN and as such represents a less than preferable IT advancement and more rubust and viable ecommerce opertunities and expansion. This seems to represent a restraint of trade that could and at some point, likely future legal turmoil that cannot reasonably benifit the public or private sectors. -----Original Message----- >From: Nick Ashton-Hart <Nick.Ashton-Hart(a)icann.org> >Sent: May 6, 2008 7:19 PM >To: "gtld-wg(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <gtld-wg(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [GTLD-WG] New GTLDs Working Group - Telephonic Meeting and Upcoming Work > >Dear new GTLD working group members: > >As many of you may know, the ALAC has resolved in its April teleconference that a statement of the community on the proposed policy framework for implementation of new generic top-level domains in the root should be completed in advance of the Paris meeting. > >After consulting with the focal point for the new GTLDs work on the ALAC, Beau Brendler, he asked me that I contact you with a view to arranging a teleconference to: > > * Get an update from the ICANN staff on the progress of the implementation planning that is in process; > * Review the draft statement previously developed to revise or approve the text (which can be found at https://st.icann.org/gnso-liaison/index.cgi?new_gtlds_documents) > >We will shortly send out a Doodle meeting request so that a date and time can be chosen which is most convenient to all of you. We will then ensure that the relevant ICANN staff are available to brief you on the 'state of the art' with respect to the first bullet. > >The homepage for your working group is: https://st.icann.org/gnso-liaison/index.cgi?new_gtld_policy >-- > >Regards, > >Nick Ashton-Hart >Director for At-Large >Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) >Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 >USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 >Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 >Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 >email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org >Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart >Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart >_______________________________________________ >GTLD-WG mailing list >GTLD-WG(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gtld-wg_atlarge-lists.icann… > >Working Group direct URL: https://st.icann.org/gnso-liaison/index.cgi?new_gtld_policy Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

ALAC Statement
by Danny Younger May 7, 2008

May 7, 2008

Cheryl, I have taken note of the ALAC submission entitled "At-Large Advisory Committee Statement. To the ICANN Board on the Board Governance Committees Recommendations for Improvements to the Generic Names Supporting Organisation" posted on Sunday 4 May 2008 at http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-improvements-report-2008/msg00031.html Would you be good enough to inform us when the ALAC formally convened and ratified this document through a voting process? Please let us know the voting tally and which committee members voted in favor and which were opposed. Thank you, Danny ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

2 1

Re: [NA-Discuss] ALAC Statement
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 7, 2008

May 7, 2008

Danny and all, Thank you for making this request Danny. I also would like an answer. But I am not holding my breath in waiting to recieve one. I believe but do not know that the statement was arrived at on the "Internal list" which is of course restricted and no archives are avaliable that I am aware of. Of course if I am correct, than tranaparency and openess not to mention ligitimacy and accuracy as to determining a consensus on this statement is VERY questionable if not completely erronious. To my knowledge and from what I have been reading this Statement does not have consensus of the members, nor is it likely to gain same. -----Original Message----- >From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> >Sent: May 6, 2008 5:26 PM >To: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: [NA-Discuss] ALAC Statement > >Cheryl, > >I have taken note of the ALAC submission entitled >"At-Large Advisory Committee Statement. To the ICANN >Board on the Board Governance Committees >Recommendations for Improvements to the Generic Names >Supporting Organisation" posted on Sunday 4 May 2008 >at >http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-improvements-report-2008/msg00031.html > >Would you be good enough to inform us when the ALAC >formally convened and ratified this document through a >voting process? Please let us know the voting tally >and which committee members voted in favor and which >were opposed. > >Thank you, >Danny > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better friend, newshound, and >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy - fear mongering?
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 6, 2008

May 6, 2008

Ross and all, I was wondering if you understood well there Ross. However it seems that perhaps some corporate entities are excluded or have "Special" privilages. For instance it doesn't seem that Google.ca or wikipedia.ca are required to comply. See: http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=google.ca&token=27105b513… http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=wikipedia.ca&server=&email=on&tok… So again, any reasonable person has to wonder if CIRA's policy is serious or just another fraud hoist upon the Canadian and the rest of the worlds public just so that there is a "Warm and Fuzzy" policy statement, eh? So than, I can only suppose that LEA's are supposed to say to themselves "well it's CIRA's policy, so therfore it must be so, even if there are a few exceptions", right? I say BS! -----Original Message----- >From: Ross Rader <ross(a)tucows.com> >Sent: May 5, 2008 5:13 AM >To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: Bill Silverstein <icann-list(a)sorehands.com>, alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy - fear mongering? > >Ross Rader wrote: >> Evan Leibovitch wrote: >> >>> Just to be clear... are corporate registrants not able to opt out? >> >> No. > >Oops. I meant "Yes". Corporate registrants are not able to opt out. > >I missed the double negative :-) > >/ross > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

[Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments on GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS input]
by Dominik Filipp May 6, 2008

May 6, 2008

Danny, I do not think this is necessary. Managing credit card frauds is a technical aspect other businesses are facing and have to be dealing with daily. There are scenarios and/or case-studies available on the Internet describing how to minimize such threat. Just google 'credit + card + fraud' and you'll get many interesting pages addressing this in detail. The simplest solution would be to ask the registrars/registries running non-AGP based ccTLDs. In fact, most registrars run such ccTLDs so they already KNOW how to manage it. I do not see a reason to handle this for them, especially when we are not asked to do that. Furthermore, every registrar might differ in expectations of how such a mechanism should work and suit their needs. Or, we could consider the suggestions in the first paragraph the alternative and suitable way. Dominik Danny Younger wrote: >Let's be clear about something... the Registrar >Constituency's primary argument in favor of retaining >the AGP is for its use as a device within which credit >card fraud may be managed. At the very least, if we >will be arguing to eliminate the AGP, we should be >offering up an alternative and suitable way to >mitigate Registrar fraud concerns if we hope to arrive >at a consensus-based solution. >The only way that I can think of having this >accomplished is via new language in a Credits Section >within the Service Level Agreement that is part of the >relevant Registry-Registrar Agreement -- see for >example http://www.verisign.com/static/002136.pdf >This, of course, will require cooperation from the >Registries who may not be prone to re-drafting their >agreements. >Does anyone else that is advocating AGP elimination >have any concrete suggestions to deal with the fraud >concerns that can be put on the table?

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] Proposed NARALO Statement - V2
by Dominik Filipp May 6, 2008

May 6, 2008

In my opinion, both the proposals somewhat overlap each other. However, 3. group in Danny's proposal is given too much space and power yet partly duplicated in 2. group (Intellectual Property Attorneys) thus diminishing the overall noncom/users outreach in 4. group. I therefore tend to support the current joint statement too. In fact, the more I am looking at it the more I like it. Also the split in the joint statement sounds quite reasonable for the moment. Dominik Danny Younger wrote: > As I look around I see four distinct communities that > have a stake in the process: > > 1. Community: Providers of Registration and > Connectivity Services > a. Registries > b. Registrars > c. Resellers, Hosting Companies/ISPs > > 2. Community: Business > a. Big Business & their Intellectual Property > Attorneys > b. Small Business & domainers > > 3. Community: Law Enforcement & Security Interests > > 4. Community: Public Interest > a. Consumer Groups > b. Civil Society Advocates > i. Privacy > ii. Freedom of Speech, etc. > c. Registrant Rights Advocates > Well, I guess then my ALS has no right to be represented; we fall into none of the above cubbyholes. Neither do most current ALSs. I can't agree at all with the above split. The entire spectrum of "public interest" -- representing the 99.99% of the world that uses the Internet -- gets one-quarter of the total voice. (And I continue to be reminded that NCUC, that shares part of that one-quarter, _defended_ the AGP!) To accept the above grouping is to accept Danny's assertion that the current At-Large process -- that tries to give a voice to public interests that would not otherwise be actively involved -- be totally discarded. I believe he was dead wrong when he first stated that view, and I'm not prepared to go along with it now because GNSO is being reconstituted. I'm not yet ready to give up on ICANN At-Large. Under the above arrangement, the general public is screwed. I can't support it. "Civil society", especially as currently constituted within ICANN, cannot be trusted to advance what I consider to be the public interest. Given a choice, I prefer the current joint statement with the ALAC sidebar. - Evan

1 0

Proposed NARALO Statement - V2
by Evan Leibovitch May 6, 2008

May 6, 2008

Here are my contributions to the statement. I think this time, I may have been even angrier than Danny ;-) [ Note: I will likely not have access to email for the next 24-48 hours -- please work on this in my absense. ] Proposed NARALO Statement -- v.2 The North American Regional At-Large Organization (NARALO) disassociates itself from the document submitted to the ICANN Board Governance Committee entitled "Joint users proposal GNSO structural change". Neither NARALO nor any of its At-Large Structure (ALS) members were consulted, in the development of a document supposedly designed to define At-Large involvement in the GNSO. We were neither participants in the formulation of this document nor afforded the opportunity to comment upon its interim drafts. The document, in its final form, does not address many issues previously identified by At-Large. We see major problems with a recommendation that fails to address the specific issues faced by the broad community of registrants, or to acknowledge the vital role of non-registrant user stakeholders. Furthermore, we are astounded that the ALAC was explicitly exempted from direct participation in the new GNSO formulation, despite the document's preamble which states that "ALAC is critical to ICANN’s external perception". After many years of slow and painful development, the ALAC has finally taken first baby steps towards the fulfilment of its mandate to offer a focus and catalyst for At-Large communications and policy development. To explicitly exclude it from a role in At-Large advocacy within the GNSO at this time is beyond reason. The process used to create this document was highly objectionable. Significant changes in wording that negatively impacted the role of At-Large were made in last-minute revisions, which were not communicated at all -- by ALAC, GNSO or Staff -- to ALSs or RALOs. It was only through the personal diligence of our own members that we were made aware of these changes before the end of the comment period. Therefore it is the view of NARALO that it would be inappropriate for us to signal any support for the specific formulations contained in this document. It does NOT reflect the interests of NARALO or its member ALSs. We ask the Board Governace Committee to respect the principle of representation set out in ICANN's MOU that called for technical management structures to reflect the global and functional diversity of Internet users and their needs

9 24

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] GNSO Improvements Statement Edits
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 6, 2008

May 6, 2008

Louis and all, I also agree that the format was difficult to read in a side by side method. Better would be new over old. Evan, I have already sent in our members response to the GNSO improvements we believe are necessary, none of which by the way were listed in Nicks revision. -----Original Message----- >From: Louis Houle <louis.houle(a)oricom.ca> >Sent: May 5, 2008 1:43 PM >To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: Nick Ashton-Hart <Nick.Ashton-Hart(a)icann.org>, At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] GNSO Improvements Statement Edits > >So am I. Quite better. > >It would be nice to receive it in a «more» readable format. :-) > >Louis Houle >ISOC Québec > >Evan Leibovitch a écrit : >> Brendler, Beau wrote: >> >>> I'm closer to supporting this than anything else I've seen yet. >>> >>> Danny, Evan, what do you think (the document is a little difficult to read as it's very wide, I'm referring to Nick's revisions on the right). >>> >>> >> It is a massive step in the right direction, specifically in suggesting >> that ALAC may still play a role in GNSO while drafters are aware of its >> flowchart-rewriting consequences. >> >> I hope that there are lessons learned going forward -- certainly >> mistakes were made to get us to this point -- but on the immediate issue >> of "what do we send regarding the GNSO improvements" I like Nick's >> draft. Please -- especially amongst those who took issue with the >> original "final" versions -- if anyone has suggestions to make please >> offer them now. >> >> - Evan >> >> >> ------ >> NA-Discuss mailing list >> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… >> >> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >> ------ >> >> > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Transparency & the ICANN Contractual Compliance Newsletter
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 6, 2008

May 6, 2008

Stacy and all, I for one thank you for your response to Danny's inquiry, although your answer seems to be a deflection of what Danny was asking regarding the 164 breaches. When will these breaches of contract be shared with the public? It also seems that you Stacy are implying all of the breaches deal with failure to pay fees by registrars primarly. I for one could care less if ICANN got it's fees or not from any registrar as such is not a direct impact on users or registrants. I and all of our members are primarly interested in those breaches that are not fee's to ICANN related. If ICANN espouses to be open and transparent, it is very difficult given Danny's request and a host of others, that what ICANN espouses is in any reasonable way related to what ICANN practices. Ergo and again, please publish ALL 164 breaches in detail immediately. -----Original Message----- >From: Stacy Burnette <stacy.burnette(a)icann.org> >Sent: May 5, 2008 4:39 PM >To: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> >Cc: Kurt Pritz <kurt.pritz(a)icann.org>, At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Transparency & the ICANN Contractual Compliance Newsletter > >Dear Mr. Younger: > >Thanks for writing me regarding your transparency concerns relative >to ICANN's contractual compliance activities. Specifically, in your >correspondence to me on 3 April 2008, you requested information >regarding ICANN's decision not to publish breach notices referenced >in ICANN's 3 April 2008 Contractual Compliance Newsletter. > >ICANN has a significant interest in sharing information with the >public regarding registrar noncompliance. ICANN evaluates publication >of breach notices on a case by case basis, with the exception of breach >notices related to failure to pay ICANN fees. We think that breach >notices related to the collection of unpaid fees are an extension of our collections >efforts. Such breaches are routinely cured by registrars with no >tangible impact to registrants, registries or third parties. The >breach notices referenced in the 3 April 2008 Contractual Compliance >Newsletter concerned registrar failure to pay fees. However, the >concerns you expressed in your correspondence to me and during the >recent NARALO meeting have been raised with ICANN's executive >management and our current practice of not publishing breach notices >related to failure to pay ICANN fees is under review. > >We appreciate your interest in this important matter and we >encourage you to continue to provide comments to assist us in better >understanding community concerns. > >Sincerely, > >Stacy Burnette >Director Contractual Compliance >ICANN >(310) 301-3860 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:54 AM >To: Stacy Burnette >Cc: At-Large Worldwide >Subject: RE: Transparency & the ICANN Contractual Compliance Newsletter > >Dear Ms. Burnette, > >Thank you for your response. We look forward to your >participation on the upcoming NARALO monthly >teleconference and to a frank discussion on the state >of negotiations as they pertain to the planned >registrar sanctions program (first described in the >"Improved Contractual Compliance Enforcement Tools" >proposed amendment to the RAA). > >Best wishes, >Danny Younger > > > >--- Stacy Burnette <stacy.burnette(a)icann.org> wrote: > >> Dear Mr. Younger: >> >> Thank you for writing me regarding your concerns >> related to transparency. ICANN is committed to >> transparency and accountability. >> >> To ensure that you are provided complete >> information, I need additional time to respond to >> the questions posed below. On or before 30 April >> 2008, I will respond to all of the questions >> presented in your electronic mail message dated 3 >> April 2008. >> >> Thanks for your support. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Stacy Burnette >> Director >> Contractual Compliance >> ICANN >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:34 PM >> To: Stacy Burnette >> Cc: At-Large Worldwide >> Subject: Transparency & the ICANN Contractual >> Compliance Newsletter >> >> Dear Ms. Burnette, >> >> I am appreciative of the fact that ICANN has >> generated >> this newsletter, but I have a number of concerns >> related to transparency. >> >> We are told that during 2007 a total of 164 breach >> of >> contract notices were sent to registrars. While >> this >> effort is to be commended, users would assuredly >> want >> to know which registrars are in breach of contract >> (and for what reason) at any given point in time so >> that they can make informed choices regarding which >> registration providers to use. >> >> Hiding this valuable information from consumers is >> not >> what I would deem to be a public service, rather, I >> view it as a profound disservice. While it does >> serve >> to protect the interest of registrars, it most >> certainly doesn't serve to properly protect the >> public. >> >> May I ask why ICANN has chosen to conceal this >> information? Is this behavior owing to a deliberate >> policy decision that has been made by ICANN Staff? >> Does Staff intend to continue concealing registrar >> contract breaches at the expense of the registrant >> community, or can we expect this situation to change >> in the immediate future? >> >> Hopefully you can help us to better understand the >> situation and the Staff perspective on transparency. >> >> best regards, >> Danny Younger >> >> >> >> >> >____________________________________________________________________________________ >> You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one >> month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. >> http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

NARALO Teleconference 12 May 1900 UTC
by Matthias Langenegger May 5, 2008

May 5, 2008

Dear all, This is to remind you that the next NARALO teleconference will take place on Monday, 12 May at 1900 UTC. Please find additional information on the meeting page. https://st.icann.org/naralo/index.cgi?12_may_2008 Best Regards, Matthias Langenegger At-Large Coordination Officer Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger

1 0

GNSO Improvements Statement Edits
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 5, 2008

May 5, 2008

Dear All: I have been requested to provide some language which might act as a 'bridge' which could help to reconcile the views expressed about the Joint Proposal on GNSO Reform which has been the subject of considerable discussion in the NARALO in the last several days. I hope that what I have crafted is at least close to what is required. As always, whether it is used or not is entirely up to all of you. I have taken the liberty of doing the drafting using the wiki version of the ALAC Statement to the Board of ICANN on GNSO Improvements, since it seemed to me that this would make it easy for everyone to see the original text of that document and also the changes that I have introduced, Here are some URLs for you: 1. Side-by-side view of the original ALAC draft and the drafting work just done: https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?action=revision_compare&page_name=… 2. Original text of the ALAC Statement, unmodified: https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?action=revision_view;page_name=al_… 3. Joint Proposal of Users: http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-improvements-report-2008/docTwl3R0M9fY.doc NOTE: All three members of the At-Large staff are travelling either Sunday, or Monday, to the ICANN HQ in Marina Del Rey for a staff meeting of the Policy Unit. We are therefore unlikely to see emails sent to us on this subject until Sunday night. Please keep this in mind if you need to reach us. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

9 12

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between Privacy and Access
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 5, 2008

May 5, 2008

Derek, John, and all, Same is essentially true for Google.com, gmail.com, googlemail.com, and wikipedia.org, as well as 68,000 other Domain names in the US, yet it seems that John is emphisizing Canada in particular? Very odd indeed! -----Original Message----- >From: Derek Smythe <derek(a)aa419.org> >Sent: May 3, 2008 11:47 AM >To: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between Privacy and Access > >Sadly I have to agree with John. > >Why, doesn't cxeibbltd.com just host a lovely domain, privacy >protected and all! > >That is until you search on the telephone number given on the contact >page, 1-800-882-4036 and start digging deeper. > >However, all is not bad. The privacy provider for the mentioned domain >will most likely expose whois since they have a zero fraud tolerance >and the Registrar as will cancel it. > >There is a lesson to learn here: Checks and balances. > >Many of these scammers' domains pass our hands regularly, I would like >to say I live in the real world of the Internet. > >However, what is CIRA's policy upon encountering a similar situation? >If the responses are one of the stock standard: >- DRP, who will pay for the procedures for all those lovely scam, >spam, phish domains? >- Law Enforcement, I can guarantee you once again the process will be >flawed unless the RCP rapidly expands their forces overnight. >- Court Order, which court in which country? >- Will the company vs private registrant rule be enforced? > >http://www.cira.ca/en/documents/2007/PRP-rant-agreementv1.7.pdf >How do you promptly resolve an issue? Evidence of residence faxed is >as far as your nearest DTP package. I can show you many ID's and >employee cards published by all but the logos of the institutions they >claim to represent. Snail mail for a phishing domain? > >To spice up the mix, we just add a large known contingent of scammers >and carders known to live on the Toronto area, some of who have made >the headlines already recently. > >I can show list upon list of registrants that turned out to be the >same person, all determined by analyzing whois details. This >information has been used to protect the all internet users time and >again. Who will do this at CIRA where full whois info is not visible? >How will they collaborate with other parties? > >Pardon me if I sound cynical, but I have seen too many abuse reports >ignored and too many ordinary internet users suffer the consequences. > >I guess history will tell. > >Regards > >Derek > > > >John Levine wrote: >>> kudos to CIRA for not only developing a privacy friendly WHOIS policy - >>> but also implementing it. >> >> Yes indeed. Every crook, scammer, phisher, and fraudster from St Johns to >> Victoria really appreciates it. >> >> R's, >> John >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Always diligent, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

2 1

Re: [NA-Discuss] DNS oddity
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 5, 2008

May 5, 2008

John and all, It's actually worse that you indicate John. See:http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=infonec.com&token=049… http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=infonec.ca&token=04308212… -----Original Message----- >From: John Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> >Sent: May 4, 2008 9:25 PM >To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] DNS oddity > >> The message below appeared in a mailing list from a member of my ALS. >> I don't myself know enough DNS mechanics to verify what the poster said. > >He's confused. I can explain in detail if you want, but it's clear that >what happened is that www.infonec.ca is set up as an alias for >www.infonec.com, and they forgot to renew the .com so NSI pointed it at >their expired domain servers until he paid. All the registrars I know >would do the same thing. > >The "suspicious" stuff re authority sections is perfectly normal since the >DNS server for infonec.ca is also the server for infonec.com. > >R's, >John > >PS: The previous claim of NSI hijacking wildcard domains was wrong, too. >The only evil I've seen them do recently is AGP frontrunning of domains >that people ask about but don't buy. > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

DNS oddity
by Evan Leibovitch May 5, 2008

May 5, 2008

Hello all, The message below appeared in a mailing list from a member of my ALS. I don't myself know enough DNS mechanics to verify what the poster said. There is an allegation of domain hijacking in the mail which raised my attention. Can someone help verify if the complaint is legit? Thanks! - Evan -------- Original Message -------- I check www.infonec.ca for deals every once in a while. This week it hasn't been working reliably for me. Sometimes I get a web page that lets me buy domains from Network Solutions or renew the infonec.ca domain. I decided to track this down today. The status might have been different during the week. - dig www.infonec.ca gives me: ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.infonec.ca. 3548 IN CNAME www.infonec.com. www.infonec.com. 7134 IN A 209.62.72.173 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: infonec.com. 55267 IN NS ns2.pendingrenewaldeletion.com. infonec.com. 55267 IN NS ns1.pendingrenewaldeletion.com. (This data comes from the look.ca name servers. If you walk the tree, the results are different and correct.) pendingrenewaldeletion.com. is a network solutions nameserver. 209.62.72.173 is a network solutions web server that offers domains (as described above). It seems odd to me that an Answer Section would include information about a domain name for which you didn't query (infonec.com) I would have thought that it belonged in the Additional Section. The TTL for the main answers is an hour or two -- reasonable. The TTLs for the authority section is questionable considering the authorities are wrong: over 15 hours. infonec.ca seem to be properly registered. It expires in 2018/02/19 so it is unlikely to have been recently renewed (any renewal would be for an integral number of years). The registrar is "Can Reg (Infinet Communications Group)" (not network solutions). Its name servers are dns0[12].tor.axxent.ca. dig @dns02.tor.pathcom.com. www.infonec.ca +tcp: ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.infonec.ca. 3600 IN CNAME www.infonec.com. www.infonec.com. 3600 IN A 207.188.71.50 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: infonec.com. 3600 IN NS dns01.tor.axxent.ca. infonec.com. 3600 IN NS dns02.tor.axxent.ca. The CNAME says use www.infonec.com. Just like the one I get from look. But the rest is different. infonec.com seems to be properly registered. It expires in 25-apr-2017. The last update date is 02-may-2008 so maybe they let it expire and renewed it (with Network Solutions) yesterday. dig @ns1.pendingrenewaldeletion.com. www.infonec.ca +tcp: ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.infonec.ca. 7200 IN A 209.62.72.173 There was no Authority section. I wonder what that means. Apparently Network Solutions is still hijacking this AFTER they have their money. How is it that Network Solutions can take over a domain like this? If the domain had not expired, surely they would not have hijacked it. If it had expired, how can they legitimately take it over like this? If it is renewed, how can they ethically have a name server continue to hijack it? The offer to "renew this domain" is bogus since the web page was "www.infonec.ca" and not "infonec.com" and the page says on it "infonec.ca", a still-registered domain. Maybe look.ca's DNS is caching improperly. I really don't know/remember all the DNS rules. dig @ns1.pendingrenewaldeletion.com. madeupname73993.ca +tcp: [long pause] ;; ANSWER SECTION: madeupname73993.ca. 7200 IN A 209.62.72.173 (No authority section.) Hmmm. I guess that they hijack all names and give the same answer. That should make for a very fast lookup since no lookup is required. So why the long pause? Perhaps to grab the name I queried about? I guess that the resolver should ignore all answers where the authority section says *.pendingrenewaldeletion.com. Or perhaps where there is no authority section.

2 1

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy - fear mongering?
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 5, 2008

May 5, 2008

Ross and all, So corporate registrants are able to opt-out. Really peachy! < sarcasm intended > And for the icing on the cake, third parties whom are not truly accountable to anyone have unrestricted access. Even more peachy! < more sarcasm intended > Seems to me the CIRA made the RCMP job another level of complex as now they have to keep an eye on both the registrants/registrars/ registries AND the new third parties with unrestricted access to Whois data. A master stroke, Genius! < more sarcasm intended > Soon now the sale of registrants whois private data will take a price hike and the bidding will commence, offline of course, or over VPN's, which are virtually impossible to trace. How special! Not only this a new market has been created, that of third party falsely editing CA whois data for a price, without the true registrant knowing of course... Sounds alot like Wikipedia all over again, eh? Now I have to wonder how and if other law enforcement agencies are going to be able to give cart blanche trust to these third parties for .CA domains and Whois data being accurate. I can only say that none of our Canadian members will... -----Original Message----- >From: Ross Rader <ross(a)tucows.com> >Sent: May 4, 2008 4:19 PM >To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: Bill Silverstein <icann-list(a)sorehands.com>, alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy - fear mongering? > >Evan Leibovitch wrote: > >> Just to be clear... are corporate registrants not able to opt out? > >No. > >> Are these channels limited to law enforcement? > >No. > >/ross > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy - fear mongering?
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 4, 2008

May 4, 2008

Bill and all, I am not going to comment on your case in particular, but I can contest and would be more than willing to sware under oath myself that no matter how many times anyone reports spaming, phishing, or other fraudulent uses of Whois acquired data, if those companies or organizations are of a significant stature, they are rarely pursued by law enforcment. One has to wonder why. I myself have reported some 99 such incidents in less than a year now, and not one as far as I know or can determine are being pursued by law enforcment. I find such extrodinary if not entirely disreputable of law enforcment, sad to say... Further still it seems odd that CIRA and ICANN have not taken the lead here in addressing these inadaquacies and inconsistancies as well. -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Silverstein <icann-list(a)sorehands.com> >Sent: May 4, 2008 10:16 AM >To: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy - fear mongering? > >> There's simply no basis for your fear mongering. > >There is no fear mongering. I am litigating against e360Insight and >included Moniker as Defendant for providing anonymous whois service to >spammers. Moniker has not identified or terminated the spammers, either >e360 or on the original registrant of domain names that they claim do not >belong to e360) > >Of course, I provided Moniker with copies of the spam (under oath) which >Moniker admits that some of that spam are using BagainDepot's (sister >company/co-defendant) anonymously registered domain names. > >I am not law enforcement. Just one of the people who tired of spammers >using his servers as a using his inbox as a garbage can. Even is law >enforcement was provided this information, there still need to be >additional steps taken which will slow down the identification process. Do >you think the FTC will start investigating a spammer that only sent 100 >spams? Anonymous domain name registrations also prevent one from >identifying how many are tied to a single spammer. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments on GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS input]
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 3, 2008

May 3, 2008

Dominik and all, Personally, I agree that there is no real NEED for the AGP. But the majority of the Registrars and registries perfer it. Our members solution, was a way in which addressing Domain Name Tasting that is effective and will eliminate Domain Name Tasting while at the same time keeping the AGP. However as you rightly point out, I as well as most of our members are very doubtful that either the registrars or ICANN can effectively do the necessary oversight our solution requires, but does offer them an oppertunity to demonstrate their interest in keeping it for whatever reasons they believe the AGP is useful. So if indeed ICANN is to fulfil it's mission, than it must take responsibility for doing so in a active and tangable way or it has and is still failing to do so. Remember ICANN introduced the Accreditation program to give confidance to the marketplace of Domain Name registration as safe and secure. -----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Sent: May 3, 2008 8:01 AM >To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com> >Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments on GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS input] > >Jeff, > >The thing is that AGP as a concept has no and never has had any >legitimate reason for existence whatsoever. It is a flawed concept from >the ground up allowing for comfortable life of registrars and perhaps >with speculative intentions from the very beginning. Any prospective >ICANN oversight related to it thus makes no sense either. Other >businesses must live without such a prerogative and they live well. > >I am still impressed by your persisting, though sometimes implicit, >trust towards ICANN oversight. ICANN is not even able to oversee much >more developed policies such as domain renewals (RegisterFly) or >transfers (complaints being reported and ignored on daily basis), which >is an evident and easily provable breach of existing contracts. How >could you then expect ICANN to oversee such a jungle like AGP is with >all the possible unexpected or yet unknown side effects it might bring? > >By the way, Evan Leibovitch is one of the very few guys at ALAC who is >doing something meaningful and who is able to loudly and firmly defend >his position. NARALO was/is the only RALO explicitly supporting the AGP >elimination. > >Have a nice weekend > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeffrey A. Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:56 AM >To: John Levine; Evan Leibovitch; dt-motion-21may08(a)icann.org; >aheineman(a)ntia.doc.gov >Cc: NA Discuss; Dominik Filipp >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments on >GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS input] > >John, Evan, and all, > > "Everyone", which in the NARALO is a paltry few already spoke before >the mis-communicated ALAC motion was submitted. >So I can only guess that someone is not reading their Email fully. The >consensus, although unmeasured, was actually that the AGP needed to go >and/or be eliminated. > > INEGroup's members had determined a more reasoned and practical >solution that would allow for the AGP to remain, but eliminate Domain >Name Tasting, not limit it. That solution is short, would require >registrars to modify their registration software to only allow for 10 >registrations/month per registrant, and if any were requested to be >dropped during the AGP, those registrants would be banned from >registering any domains for a set period of time or only allowed to >register one Domain name per month for a period no less than one month >and no more than two years. If that same registrant a second time >registered domain names in any name space and again let any of them drop >during the AGP he/she/it would be banned for a period of one year from >registering any domain names. If that same registrant or registrar a >third time registered any number of domain names in any name space and >again let any of them drop or be placed in a "Parking status" would be >banned permanently from ever registering any Domain names indefinitely >AND the registrar or registrars involved would have their Accreditation >revoked for a period of no less than 30 days and possibly indefinitely >and would release all domain names in those name spaces to the pool for >re-registration immediately. > > The ICANN staff itself would be responsible for oversight and >compliance of this policy and report all incidents publicly for the >publics review and notice. All or any of the ICANN staff members >assigned to doing said oversight that failed to do it's duty accordingly >would be subject to retraining in good customer relations at ICANN's and >the registrars associated expense or be summarily and immediately >dismissed. > > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: John Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> >>Sent: May 2, 2008 7:47 PM >>To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >>Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments >on GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS >input] >> >>> What says everyone? Do we make a statement as NARALO, or leave the >GNSO >>> doc to go to the board without comment? >> >>Assuming the members of the NARALO still feel that the AGP would go, I >>think we owe the GNSO a comment. >> >>Regards, >>John Levine, johnl(a)iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for >Dummies", >>Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, >ex-Mayor >>"More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. >> >>------ >>NA-Discuss mailing list >>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-list >s.icann.org >> >>Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>------ > Always diligent, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments on GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS input]
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 3, 2008

May 3, 2008

Danny and all, With all due respect, although I, nor any of our members advocate eliminating the AGP, and in that the consensus of the ALAC/ALS'es was to do so, keeping the AGP only serves to exacerbate the Credit Card fraud problem rather than manage it. In fact requiring a credit card to register a domain name in the first place also only exacerbates the credit card fraud problem, rather than manage it, all for what I would think are obvious reasons... Additionally, requiring any potential registrant to use a credit card to register a domain name is decidedly a restraint of trade, as well as a huge potential for exposier of IDtheft. -----Original Message----- >From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> >Sent: May 3, 2008 8:48 AM >To: John Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com>, Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments on GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS input] > >Let's be clear about something... the Registrar >Constituency's primary argument in favor of retaining >the AGP is for its use as a device within which credit >card fraud may be managed. At the very least, if we >will be arguing to eliminate the AGP, we should be >offering up an alternative and suitable way to >mitigate Registrar fraud concerns if we hope to arrive >at a consensus-based solution. > >The only way that I can think of having this >accomplished is via new language in a Credits Section >within the Service Level Agreement that is part of the >relevant Registry-Registrar Agreement -- see for >example http://www.verisign.com/static/002136.pdf > >This, of course, will require cooperation from the >Registries who may not be prone to re-drafting their >agreements. > >Does anyone else that is advocating AGP elimination >have any concrete suggestions to deal with the fraud >concerns that can be put on the table? > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better friend, newshound, and >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ Always diligent, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between Privacy and Access
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 3, 2008

May 3, 2008

Ross and all, I respectfully in part disagree with the tenor and tone of your response to Dereks valid concern. He indeed may or should clarify his concern as it is not the privacy of PII data contained in a Whois record that is the acctual problem, but rather the lack of accuracy of non-pii Whois data in a whois record that is essential to be corrected and overseen in an active and expediant manner so that correction of such can be effected appropriately and with all due haste. Secondly, "Abuse" Email contact addresses need to be made manditory in all Whois records, which is clearly not the case today and hasn't been for a very long time now (years), as is phone contact information for the Admin Email contact. -----Original Message----- >From: Ross Rader <ross(a)tucows.com> >Sent: May 3, 2008 12:32 PM >To: "derek(a)aa419.org" <derek(a)aa419.org> >Cc: "alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between Privacy and Access > >Whois privacy for .ca names is nothing new. Implementation of this >policy will simply standardize it across the namespace. There's simply >no basis for your fear mongering. > >--- >Warm regards, > >-Ross > > > > > >Sent from my iPhone using my DomainDirect.com personalized mobile >email. Ask me how it works! > > > >On 3-May-08, at 2:47 PM, Derek Smythe <derek(a)aa419.org> wrote: > >> Sadly I have to agree with John. >> >> Why, doesn't cxeibbltd.com just host a lovely domain, privacy >> protected and all! >> >> That is until you search on the telephone number given on the contact >> page, 1-800-882-4036 and start digging deeper. >> >> However, all is not bad. The privacy provider for the mentioned domain >> will most likely expose whois since they have a zero fraud tolerance >> and the Registrar as will cancel it. >> >> There is a lesson to learn here: Checks and balances. >> >> Many of these scammers' domains pass our hands regularly, I would like >> to say I live in the real world of the Internet. >> >> However, what is CIRA's policy upon encountering a similar situation? >> If the responses are one of the stock standard: >> - DRP, who will pay for the procedures for all those lovely scam, >> spam, phish domains? >> - Law Enforcement, I can guarantee you once again the process will be >> flawed unless the RCP rapidly expands their forces overnight. >> - Court Order, which court in which country? >> - Will the company vs private registrant rule be enforced? >> >> http://www.cira.ca/en/documents/2007/PRP-rant-agreementv1.7.pdf >> How do you promptly resolve an issue? Evidence of residence faxed is >> as far as your nearest DTP package. I can show you many ID's and >> employee cards published by all but the logos of the institutions they >> claim to represent. Snail mail for a phishing domain? >> >> To spice up the mix, we just add a large known contingent of scammers >> and carders known to live on the Toronto area, some of who have made >> the headlines already recently. >> >> I can show list upon list of registrants that turned out to be the >> same person, all determined by analyzing whois details. This >> information has been used to protect the all internet users time and >> again. Who will do this at CIRA where full whois info is not visible? >> How will they collaborate with other parties? >> >> Pardon me if I sound cynical, but I have seen too many abuse reports >> ignored and too many ordinary internet users suffer the consequences. >> >> I guess history will tell. >> >> Regards >> >> Derek >> >> >> >> John Levine wrote: >>>> kudos to CIRA for not only developing a privacy friendly WHOIS >>>> policy - >>>> but also implementing it. >>> >>> Yes indeed. Every crook, scammer, phisher, and fraudster from St >>> Johns to >>> Victoria really appreciates it. >>> >>> R's, >>> John >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ALAC mailing list >>> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> >>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Always diligent, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

[Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments on GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS input]
by Evan Leibovitch May 3, 2008

May 3, 2008

Hello all, So... the GNSO statement on domain tasting is up for public review (see below). Is it appropriate for NARALO to take this time to state that its recommendation is acceptable as a partial interim measure but that the ultimate issue is elimination of the AGP? The way I could see us framing things, tasting is a symptom and the AGP is the cause. Leaving the AGP in place may eliminate one specific form of gaming the system, but still encourages bad agents to seek out other ways to use the AGP to screw the public. What says everyone? Do we make a statement as NARALO, or leave the GNSO doc to go to the board without comment? - Evan *From:* (…)* *Denise Michel *Sent:* Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:18 AM *Subject:* Call for Comments on GNSO Domain Tasting Motion To: Supporting Organization and Advisory Committee Chairs (…) From: Denise Michel, VP - Policy Development Subject: Call for Comments on GNSO Domain Tasting Motion Please note that a forum for public comments has been opened regarding the recent action by the GNSO Council to approve by super majority vote a motion to discourage use of the current "add grace period" (AGP). The forum can be found at <http://icann.org/public_comment/#dt-motion-21may08>. The motion, which is now pending for Board action, would specifically prohibit any gTLD operator that has implemented an "add grace period" (AGP) from offering a refund for any domain name deleted during the AGP that exceeds 10% of its net new registrations during that month, or fifty domain names, whichever is greater. An exemption could be granted based on extraordinary circumstances, as detailed in the motion. The public and all interested parties are invited to comment on this motion before final consideration by the Board. (…) Regards, Denise Michel Vice President Policy

3 2

Re: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments on GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS input]
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 3, 2008

May 3, 2008

John, Evan, and all, "Everyone", which in the NARALO is a paltry few already spoke before the mis-communicated ALAC motion was submitted. So I can only guess that someone is not reading their Email fully. The consensus, although unmeasured, was actually that the AGP needed to go and/or be eliminated. INEGroup's members had determined a more reasoned and practical solution that would allow for the AGP to remain, but eliminate Domain Name Tasting, not limit it. That solution is short, would require registrars to modify their registration software to only allow for 10 registrations/month per registrant, and if any were requested to be dropped during the AGP, those registrants would be banned from registering any domains for a set period of time or only allowed to register one Domain name per month for a period no less than one month and no more than two years. If that same registrant a second time registered domain names in any name space and again let any of them drop during the AGP he/she/it would be banned for a period of one year from registering any domain names. If that same registrant or registrar a third time registered any number of domain names in any name space and again let any of them drop or be placed in a "Parking status" would be banned permanently from ever registering any Domain names indefinitely AND the registrar or registrars involved would have their Accreditation revoked for a period of no less than 30 days and possibly indefinitely and would release all domain names in those name spaces to the pool for re-registration immediately. The ICANN staff itself would be responsible for oversight and compliance of this policy and report all incidents publicly for the publics review and notice. All or any of the ICANN staff members assigned to doing said oversight that failed to do it's duty accordingly would be subject to retraining in good customer relations at ICANN's and the registrars associated expense or be summarily and immediately dismissed. -----Original Message----- >From: John Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> >Sent: May 2, 2008 7:47 PM >To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] FW: Call for Comments on GNSO Domain Tasting Motion ... ACTION Required for RALO's and ALS input] > >> What says everyone? Do we make a statement as NARALO, or leave the GNSO >> doc to go to the board without comment? > >Assuming the members of the NARALO still feel that the AGP would go, I >think we owe the GNSO a comment. > >Regards, >John Levine, johnl(a)iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", >Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor >"More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ Always diligent, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between Privacy and Access
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 2, 2008

May 2, 2008

Danny and all, I don't read or interprate the link below in quite the same way you do Danny, but also I think given some other of CIRA's statements they pander regarding privacy yet allow third party access to PII in Whois. Ergo, I see, as doe our members especially those in Canada, that CIRA is playing both ends against the middle. This is of course an old and well known political stratagy that usually ends up creating more disharmony, significant lack of accountability, and serious damage to stakeholders, whomever they may be or in which juandra is involved. ICANN, GNSO, and the GAC's desire for more studies is seemingly seeks to break the privacy issues instead of stalling, by continuing to have more Working groups, studies, ect., ect. This also is yet another old and failed political stratagy that also largely and usually serves no harmonious of productive ends due to the lack of creditable means. The only primary ligitimate concern is once or accuracy in Whois data, not one of whom has access to PII in whois. Yet the accuracy problem is being used as a wedge issue to rehash the latter privacy issue. Very childish in my and many of our members opinion. -----Original Message----- >From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> >Sent: May 2, 2008 1:09 PM >To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between Privacy and Access > >http://www.circleid.com/posts/85210_cira_whois_policy_privacy_access/ > >P.S. > >... While Canada's CIRA respects WHOIS privacy >concerns, ICANN's GNSO and GAC play the "we need more >studies" game in order to stall responsible policy development. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better friend, newshound, and >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

FYI: Tech Priority for next US administration? Early bird Deadline Friday for CFP TECH POLICY '08
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 2, 2008

May 2, 2008

All, FYI and for those whom are in touch.. [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] The early bird registration deadline for CFP '08 is coming up on Friday, please find the latest details below. Please forward it to relevant mailing lists, groups of friends, bloggers you know, and whoever else might be interested. Manon -------- COMPUTERS, FREEDOM, AND PRIVACY: TECHNOLOGY POLICY '08 http://cfp2008.org/ 18th Annual CFP conference May 20-23, 2008 Omni Hotel New Haven, CT Conference Blog: http://cfp08.blogspot.com/ Facebook Group: http://www.facebook.com/groups.php?id=683858084 Conference Wiki: http://cfp.wikia.com/wiki/CFP08 LinkedIn Group: http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/61857/7885844E0F9D Hotel Conference Discount Deadline: May 1, 2008 Early Bird Registration: Fri., May 2, 2008 YJoLT Tech Policy Essay Contest: Mon., May 5, 2008 ABOUT CFP: TECHNOLOGY POLICY `08 What should the technology policy priorities of the next administration be? As the choice of presidential candidates becomes clearer and election year moves towards a comparison of the candidates' platforms on the issues, technology policy is increasingly relevant to the forefront of public debate. In the areas of privacy, intellectual property, cybersecurity, telecommunications, and freedom of speech, topics that were once confined to experts now appear in the mainstream of political issues. We now know that our decisions about technology policy are being made at a time as the architectures of our information and communication technologies are still being built. This year, the 18th annual Computers, Freedom, and Privacy conference is focusing on those issues at the forefront of technology policy this election year. With plenary panels on the "National Security State and the Next Administration" and "The 21st Century Panopticon?" the discussions taking place look towards our present and future priorities. CFP: Technology Policy '08 is an opportunity to participate in shaping those issues being made into laws and regulations and those technological infrastructures being developed. Policies ranging from spyware and national security, to ISP filtering and patent reform, e- voting to electronic medical records, and more will be addressed by expert panels of technologists, policymakers, business leaders, and activists. The panel topics are listed below and full panel descriptions are available on the conference website at: http://www.cfp2008.org/wiki/index.php/Program. The CFP: Technology Policy `08 conversation has already begun in the virtual spaces connected to the conference. Even if you are unable to attend the conference this year, there are several opportunities to participate remotely. The guiding principles that ought to guide our policies are being debated on the conference blog. Social networking groups on Facebook and LinkedIn are providing new spaces for the CFP community to meet and discuss. The Yale Journal of Law and Technology is hosting a call for essays, on the priorities of the next administration, with more details below. We look forward to seeing you in New Haven on May 20-23. CONFERENCE PROGRAM Plenary Sessions Presidential Technology Policy: Priorities for the Next Executive The 21st Century Panopticon? The National Security State and the Next Adminstration Tutorials A Short History of Privacy Constitutional Law in Cyberspace e-Deceptive Campaign Practices: Elections 2.0 Maintaining Privacy While Accessing On-line Information Panel Sessions Activism and Education Using Social Networks Breaking the Silence: Iranians Find a Voice on the Internet Charismatic Content: Wikis, Social Networks, and the Future of User-Generated Content Filtering Out Copyright Infringement: Possibilities, Practicalities, and Legalities Filtering and Censorship in Europe Hate Speech and Oppression in Cyberspace Interoperability at the Crossroads?: The "Liberal Order" versus Fragmentation Law, Regulation, and Software Licensing for the Electronic Medical Record Measuring Global Threats to Internet Freedom Network Neutrality: Beyond the Slogans New Challenges for Spyware Policy Patents: The Bleeding Edge of Technology Policy Privacy, Reputation, and the Management of Online Communities Rights & Responsibilities for Software Programs? States as Incubators of Change "The Transparent Society:" Ten Years Later Towards Trustworthy e-Voting: An Open Source Approach? CALL FOR ESSAYS Yale Journal of Law & Technology Call for Essays on the Technology Policy of the New Administration. Deadline: Monday, May 5th The Yale Journal of Law & Technology (YJoLT) is seeking essay-length submissions concerning the technology policy platform of the new American presidential administration. Essays selected for publication will appear in the Fall Issue of YJoLT (publication date November 2008). Ideal submissions will discuss the priorities and guiding principles that American technology policy should follow. Submissions analyzing a particular technology policy issue in depth will also be accepted. Essays of less than 5,000 words are preferred. Please submit all essays to yjolt.submissions(a)gmail.com. Please include the text "CFP Essay" in the subject line of the email. The authors of essays selected for publication will be notified on a rolling basis. Any questions can be directed to Lara Rogers, lara.rogers(a)yale.edu. CONFERENCE FUNDING FOR JOURNALISTS The Yale Law School Law and Media Program (LAMP) announces an opportunity for journalists to receive full funding to attend CFP: Technology Policy 08. CFP: Technology Policy 08 will begin with a full day of tutorials and programming specifically geared toward journalists writing about information technology and policy, followed by a networking reception for journalists and other participants in the Law and Media Program. We invite you to take advantage of this opportunity to develop a deeper understanding of US technology policy in the information age. Journalists writing on privacy, intellectual property, telecommunications and cyberlaw are encouraged to apply for conference funding, which will include travel, hotel, meals and any registration fees for the full conference. To apply, please send a cover letter explaining your interest in the program, along with your resume and three writing samples (by e-mail and hard copy) to Tracey Parr (tracey.parr(a)yale.edu) Yale Law School, P.O. Box 208215, New Haven, CT 06520-8215, by March 31, 2008. Up to twenty journalists will receive conference funding. Applicants accepted for conference funding will be notified by April 4, 2008. -------------- Contact: Eddan Katz CFP: Technology Policy '08 Program Chair http://www.cfp2008.org/ International Affairs Director, Electronic Frontier Foundation http://www.eff.org/ Lecturer and Associate Research Scholar, Yale Law School Senior Fellow, Yale Information Society Project http://isp.law.yale.edu/ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [NA-Discuss] [announce] Domain Tasting Motion open for Public Comment 30 April to 21 May 2008
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 2, 2008

May 2, 2008

Glen and all, Thank you Glen for putting out this announcment. The problem with the announcment, which is unlikely to be Glen's fault, is that in part it is not accurate in that the motion was significantly opposed for other approaches including the elimination of the AGP all together so that Domain name Tasting can truly be eliminated. The current ill considered motion will not have a significant effect on curbing Domain Name Tasting, could as Dominik's unmentioned motion indicated actually increase Domain Name Tasting. -----Original Message----- >From: "GNSO.SECRETARIAT(a)GNSO.ICANN.ORG" <gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org> >Sent: May 1, 2008 12:20 PM >To: announce(a)gnso.icann.org >Subject: [announce] Domain Tasting Motion open for Public Comment 30 April to 21 May 2008 > > >[To: council[at]gnso.icann.org; liaison6c[at]gnso.icann.org] >[To: ga[at]gnso.icann.org; announce[at]gnso.icann.org] >[To: regional-liaisons[at]icann.org] > >The Public comment period on the Domain Tasting Motion is open for >public comments from 30 April 2008 to 21 May 2008. > >The GNSO Council approved by super majority vote a motion to discourage >use of the current “add grace period” (AGP), where domains can be >returned within five days without cost, for “domain tasting” purposes. >The motion, which is pending for Board action, would prohibit any gTLD >operator that has implemented an “add grace period” (AGP) from offering >a refund for any domain name deleted during the AGP that exceeds 10% of >its net new registrations during that month, or fifty domain names, >whichever is greater. An exemption could be granted based on >extraordinary circumstances, as detailed in the motion. > >“Domain Tasting” refers to a situation where an entity registers a >domain name and then tests to see if the name has sufficient traffic to >provide more income than the annual registration fee (usually through >pay-per-click advertising). If the name is profitable, it is kept. If >not, the AGP is used to return the domain at no cost to the registrant. >Recently, there has been a significant increase in the number of domain >names registered and returned within the AGP. > >In October 2007, the GNSO Council launched a policy development process >(PDP) on domain tasting and produced an Initial Report >http://www.gnso.icann.org/issues/domain-tasting/gnso-initial-report-domain-… >for public comment that outlined the possible actions to be taken, and >the arguments for and against such actions. Public comments were >incorporated into a draft Final Report >http://www.gnso.icann.org/drafts/draft-final-report-domain-tasting-08feb08.… >(posted 8 February) for GNSO Council review and action. > >The public is invited to comment on this motion before final >consideration by the Board. > >Please submit comments to: ><dt-motion-21may08(a)icann.org> > >Comments may be viewed at: >http://forum.icann.org/lists/dt-motion-21may08/ > >Thank you. >-- >Glen de Saint Géry >GNSO Secretariat - ICANN >gnso.secretariat[at]gnso.icann.org >http://gnso.icann.org > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0