July 2015 - Accountability-Cross-Community

A request re changes to WS1 matters
by Jordan Carter July 16, 2015

July 16, 2015

Hi all While I have seen some general comments from a range of people about the need to keep WS1 as narrow as possible, I haven't seen any specific proposals for what should be deferred to WS2. *It would be helpful to understand the thinking behind this desire for change if, rather than making general comments, people could specifically suggest:* *- what part/s of the current WS1 proposal they would like to see transferred* *- why they would like to see that part/s transferred* *- the overall impact they see on the coherence of the WS1 proposal caused by such a transfer* For myself, since we have adopted a minimalist approach from the start of the work, I don't have any parts I wish to see transferred. Further, I see substantial risks to the integrity of the proposal and its ability to deliver meaningful reform to ICANN's accountability if any of the current parts are deferred. That said: new ideas always deserve consideration on their merits. So please treat me as able to be convinced by strong logic and arguments that the benefits of transferring something outweigh the risks. cheers Jordan -- Jordan Carter Chief Executive *InternetNZ* 04 495 2118 (office) | +64 21 442 649 (mob) jordan(a)internetnz.net.nz Skype: jordancarter *A better world through a better Internet *

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Fwd: Courrier de Mme Axelle LEMAIRE
by Thomas Rickert July 16, 2015

July 16, 2015

All, Please see the attached, which just came in. Best, Thomas PS - Sent from my cell. Please excuse typos and brevity. Anfang der weitergeleiteten E‑Mail: > Von: SENUM-SP Sec <sec.senum-sp(a)cabinets.finances.gouv.fr> > Datum: 16. Juli 2015 10:04:36 MESZ > An: "rickert(a)anwaelte.de" <rickert(a)anwaelte.de> > Betreff: Courrier de Mme Axelle LEMAIRE > > > Mr Rickert, > > Please kindly find attached a letter signed by Ms. Axelle Lemaire to your attention. > > Kinds Regards. > > > > Sylvie KIND > > > >

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Fwd: Fwd: Public pre-announcement: Proposal to transition the stewardship of the IANA functions will be out for public comment July 31 to September 8 (approximately). More details to come later this month.
by Mathieu Weill July 16, 2015

July 16, 2015

Dear Colleagues, FYI, the dates of the upcoming public comment period for the ICG. -------- Message transféré -------- Sujet : Fwd: Public pre-announcement: Proposal to transition the stewardship of the IANA functions will be out for public comment July 31 to September 8 (approximately). More details to come later this month. Date : Thu, 16 Jul 2015 07:30:46 +0200 De : Patrik Fältström <paf(a)frobbit.se> Pour : Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill(a)afnic.fr>, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe(a)sanchez.mx>, Thomas Rickert <rickert(a)anwaelte.de> Copie à : Alissa Cooper <alissa(a)cooperw.in>, Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir(a)mbash.net> Mathieu, León, Thomas, ICG have announced we are planning to have our public comment period July 31 to September 8. See below for message from ICG Secretariat. Best, Patrik Fältström ICG Co-Chair > Dear All, > > > > Per the request from the ICG and the ICG chairs for early public pre-announcement, the Secretariat has posted the following on the ICG home page and social media accounts: > > > > "Proposal to transition the stewardship of the IANA functions will be out for public comment July 31 to September 8 (approximately). More details to come later this month." > > > > ICG web site: https://www.ianacg.org/ > > Link to post: https://www.ianacg.org/?p=553 > > Tweet: https://twitter.com/ianastewardship/status/621446718463283201 (abbrev. to fit) > > Facebook post: > https://www.facebook.com/ianastewardship/posts/1679144795647486

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pre-Paris Reading List
by Hillary Jett July 16, 2015

July 16, 2015

On behalf of the co-Chairs Dear all, Please find here the pre-Paris reading list for this weeks upcoming face-to-face meeting: https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Reading+List+-+Face+to+Fac e+Paris The top download box will allow you to download all relevant PDF documents at one time for your convenience. For those who are interested in downloading individual documents, the subsequent table is also available to provide any .docx or individual downloads of files. For more information on the F2F including agenda details and remote participation information, please visit the dedicated wiki page here: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=53778863 Safe travels to everyone heading to Paris! Best regards, Mathieu, Thomas, León

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Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Statement of accountability scope and limitations; fact based evidence
by Jordan Carter July 16, 2015

July 16, 2015

Trying to pick up a few points in an effort to be constructive: On 12 July 2015 at 19:41, Chris Disspain <ceo(a)auda.org.au> wrote: > Hello Jordan, > > See in line below. > > Cheers, > > Chris Disspain | Chief Executive Officer > .au Domain Administration Ltd > T: +61 3 8341 4111 | F: +61 3 8341 4112 > E: ceo(a)auda.org.au | W: www.auda.org.au > > auDA - Australia's Domain Name Administrator > > On 12 Jul 2015, at 14:17, Jordan Carter <jordan(a)internetnz.net.nz> wrote: > > Hi all, hi Chris: > > On 12 July 2015 at 15:54, Chris Disspain <ceo(a)auda.org.au> wrote: > >> Hi Jordan, >> >> On ATRT, please see >> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/atrt2-recommendation-implementa… and >> let me know the 'strange cases' to which you refer. >> >> > Probably the implementation timetable. The report was submitted in > December 2013. It is July 2015. There seem to be ticks in the boxes marking > complete for roughly half the components in that (sixty-six) page PDF. > Other elements continued (tho this update is April, and it's now July), and > some aren't due for well over another year. Is that the kind of pace that > we should expect? > > > George said: > "Now, when you say, "ICANN is broken in so many ways, some of which we > know, some we suspect, some that are hidden by obfuscation and even > secrecy," say more, give concrete examples of brokenness and the directions > the fix could take." > > You gave ATRT as an example and referred to the "strange case" of failure > to implement. Now apparently the problem is the timetable. > I regard that as reasonably understood as a "breakage". I'm not used to timescales of that sort in delivering improvements. If that's the kind of timeframe the ICANN community is happy with, that's fine by me! We will simply have to agree to disagree as to whether that is what it is or not. I don't have a view as to what the "right" answer is - I was simply offering my perspective. > > Also: sixty-six pages is not the kind of summary that is a useful > dashboard look at what is happening. Is part of the new dashboard approach > going to summarise this information more briefly, more meaningfully? > > > So we're clear are we that this is not an example of obfuscation or > secrecy? Rather it seems you are concerned, now, that there is too much > detail. Which indicates to me that what we are actually dealing with is an > example "damned if we do and damned if we don't". > That's not my point at all. Having detailed information is incredibly important, and the way the ATRT information you sent out is set out is helpful. Yet to read and absorb it is a commitment of a considerable amount of time. If there is brief summary material available on key matters within the ICANN community then yes, in my view, that is an example of a material improvement in accountability. It simply allows a wider part of the ICANN constituency to understand the key points. <snip> > > You challenged Jonathan to pose some examples; he did so; as far as I can > find, this is the first time you've responded. I didn't quite know what to > make of your silence, but now I do at least in respect of one of his points > :-) > > > Jonathan had posted in a subsequent note that he realised he had breached > his own suggested protocol by posting the list. I decided on that basis not > to respond. Your restatement of the list in the context of answering > George's question led to me to chose an example. > I didn't notice that from him at the time or subsequently, and so I apologise for its restatement. > It leads to a more important question tho: > > How can we have a sophisticated, evidence based discussion about the > specific examples of failures in ICANN's accountability, the breadth of > view as to whether they are failures or not, in a way that helps the CCWG > do its work? > > > Well, we could do what I suggested. Come up with an example from the past > that we all understand and agree is something that there would be community > consensus to overturn. And acknowledge that in truth these are few and far > between. > Speaking personally, I think the problem with dealing with this (evidencing and exploring some past specific example) is that it takes us back to the notion that the reason that there is an accountability improvement process of the sort that is happening now is because of some real (or worse, imagined) litany of past mistakes. >From my point of view, the reason there are needs for systemic improvement in ICANN accountability is because of the demise of the external accountability created by the IANA Functions contract. That's the explicit basis for this whole exercise - the stewardship transition. The proposal isn't intended to deal with specific past failures. It is intended to respond to the new environment that ICANN and its community find itself in, and to try and build a framework that can be sustainable in securing the multistakeholder approach to Internet governance in the ICANN domain. Because that's my view, it might have been more sensible to not participate in this thread at all, since it takes us down the track that doesn't help. But nobody's perfect. > Or, alternatively, stop justifying our calls for greater accountability by > making broad brush, non-evidence based claims that place the staff, the > board and often various parts of the community in a bad light and instead > acknowledge that greater accountability is a good thing and within > reasonable boundaries doesn't actually need to be justified by claims of > bad acting in the past. > > > +1. J

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Fwd: Public pre-announcement
by Greg Shatan July 16, 2015

July 16, 2015

All: I thought you would be interested in the announcement below. Greg *From:* Jennifer Chung <jen(a)icgsec.asia> *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2015 6:48 AM *To:* internal-cg(a)ianacg.org *Subject:* [Internal-cg] Public pre-announcement: Proposal to transition thestewardship of the IANA functions will be out for publiccomment July 31 to September 8 (approximately). More detailsto come later this month. Dear All, Per the request from the ICG and the ICG chairs for early public pre-announcement, the Secretariat has posted the following on the ICG home page and social media accounts: “Proposal to transition the stewardship of the IANA functions will be out for public comment July 31 to September 8 (approximately). More details to come later this month.” ICG web site: https://www.ianacg.org/ Link to post: https://www.ianacg.org/?p=553 Tweet: https://twitter.com/ianastewardship/status/621446718463283201 (abbrev. to fit) Facebook post: https://www.facebook.com/ianastewardship/posts/1679144795647486 Please broadcast this to your communities! Best Regards, Jennifer ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg(a)mm.ianacg.org http://mm.ianacg.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg_ianacg.org

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Too many annoying emails
by Drew Noyes July 16, 2015

July 16, 2015

Dear Brenda, Please remove me from all mailing lists. I unsuscribed yesterday but still recived many emails from this group. Also, I sent you an email several months ago about getting too many duplicate emails of cancellations of events and other duplicate emails. But the trend continues. If I I only received topical emails specific to the mission I would like to remain and participate. But I receive far too many duolicates, notices of events then their cancelations and unrelated admin emails. The group is a very good idea and there are a lot of positive things that have developed as a result of the brainstorming and public participation. If you are able to correct the over abundance of unnecessary emails I believe you wiave much better public participation. l Best regards, Drew Noyes On Thursday, July 16, 2015, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer(a)icann.org> wrote: > Hello Kieren, > > > > Thank you for your interest in WP3. You are now added to the mailing list > and wiki. > > > > Kind regards, > > Brenda > > > > *From:* accountability-cross-community-bounces(a)icann.org > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community-bounces(a)icann.org');> > [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community-bounces(a)icann.org');>] > *On Behalf Of *Kieren McCarthy > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:52 PM > *To:* Alice Jansen > *Cc:* accountability-cross-community(a)icann.org > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community(a)icann.org');> > *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] WP3 - Call for Volunteers > > > > Please add me to this WG. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Kieren > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen(a)icann.org > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','alice.jansen(a)icann.org');>> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > A Work Party 3 (WP3) was created on 30 June to address emerging issues > i.e. staff and management accountability, SO/AC accountability, enhancement > of diversity and Board duties. The detailed mission and scope document can > be found in the attached for more information. > > > > *You are invited to volunteer for this effort. *If interested, please > send an email to ACCT-Staff <acct-staff(a)icann.org > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','acct-staff(a)icann.org');>>. > > The current list of volunteers includes: > > - León Sánchez (coordinator) > - Avri Doria > - Giovanni Seppia > - Malcolm Hutty > - Keith Drazek > - Alan Greenberg > - Greg Shatan > - Izumi Okutani > - Athina Fragkouli > > A call will be scheduled in the upcoming days to kick off activities. > > Activities of this group can be followed on the dedicated wiki page > https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/WP3+-+Emerging+Issues. > Email exchanges can be read at: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/wp3/ > > > > Thanks > > > > Best regards > > > > Alice > > > _______________________________________________ > Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list > Accountability-Cross-Community(a)icann.org > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Accountability-Cross-Community(a)icann.org');> > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community > > > -- Best regards, Drew Noyes Managing Director One Stop Service Centers (Thailand) Google Maps Location of our Law Firm One Stop Legal Services See Thailand Law Help www.OneStopLegalService.com See Videos https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC8B_FJq9Q439uVf8rBg9EkQ? My LinkedIn Info https://th.linkedin.com/in/drewwalternoyes

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Board Chair Crocker's Pre-Meeting Blog
by Paul Rosenzweig July 15, 2015

July 15, 2015

>From our Chairman: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-ccwg-from-buenos-aires-to-paris-to-dubli n#prclt-13S1SBWw Might be of interest P Paul Rosenzweig Red Branch Consulting, PLLC 509 C St. NE Washington, DC 20002 paul.rosenzweig(a)redbranchconsulting.com <mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com> O: +1 (202) 547-0660 M: +1 (202) 329-9650 VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066 www.redbranchconsulting.com <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com/> Link to my PGP Key <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl e&id=19&Itemid=9>

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WP3 - Call for Volunteers
by Alice Jansen July 15, 2015

July 15, 2015

Dear all, A Work Party 3 (WP3) was created on 30 June to address emerging issues i.e. staff and management accountability, SO/AC accountability, enhancement of diversity and Board duties. The detailed mission and scope document can be found in the attached for more information. You are invited to volunteer for this effort. If interested, please send an email to ACCT-Staff <acct-staff(a)icann.org>. The current list of volunteers includes: * León Sánchez (coordinator) * Avri Doria * Giovanni Seppia * Malcolm Hutty * Keith Drazek * Alan Greenberg * Greg Shatan * Izumi Okutani * Athina Fragkouli A call will be scheduled in the upcoming days to kick off activities. Activities of this group can be followed on the dedicated wiki page https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/WP3+-+Emerging+Issues. Email exchanges can be read at: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/wp3/ Thanks Best regards Alice

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Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for STRESS TESTS #10 | 15 July
by Brenda Brewer July 15, 2015

July 15, 2015

Hello all, The notes, recordings and transcripts for the CCWG Accountability STRESS TESTS Meeting #10 - 15 July will be available here: https://community.icann.org/x/p4FCAw A copy of the notes may be found below. Thank you. Kind regards, Brenda Notes These high-level notes are designed to help you navigate through content of the call and do not substitute in any way the transcript. No objections to #27. No comments on #28 No comments on #29 No comments on #30 No comments on #31 NTIA stress tests: --> Change "or" to "and" in last one --> Add ASO --> Add note on structural reviews --> Avri to send charter URL

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