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Re: [ALAC] [ccnso-idnpdpwg1] Agenda today's call
by Sivasubramanian Muthusamy Aug. 31, 2009

Aug. 31, 2009

Hello Bart Boswinkel, I am sending this note AFTER the meeting, but this was intended to be raised as a suggestion under "any other business". As an introductory statement to the ALAC comments on the 3rd Revison of the Draft Implementation Plan http://bit.ly/idnmeeting the following was stated: "With the view to expeditiously complete the IDN related tasks, it is proposed that ICANN incorporates in its agenda for the Seoul meeting a full day of meetings to focus on IDNs, scheduled as inter‐constituency meetings attended by invited experts, staff and finance committees to resolve all pending issues related to IDN Policy and pave the way for implementation." This has also been mentioned at an ALAC meeting, though not formally discussed nor voted upon as an ALAC suggestion. The suggestion is to have inter-constituency meetings during Seoul where ccNSO, GNSO and its commercial and non-commercial constituencies, GAC, ALAC, SSAC as also Board Representatives, Staff designated for IDNs, finance and administration committees, IETF, external advisory / support groups, IDN user groups otherwise not part of the ICANN organization and invited experts could all gather together in one room on a suitable day during the Seoul Meeting to discuss all pending issues related to IDN implementation. The purpose is to bring together view points from the different constituencies / support organizations / experts to reconcile the most important issues that could consume time if discussed in different rooms. The inter-constituency meetings could be visualized as happening in the main room on a certain day (or half - a - day) which is relatively a light day for most constituencies, who could also be free to concurrently have their sessions on any other topic that may require to be discussed within their constituencies, but after assigning enough responsible participants to the proposed inter-constituency meetings. This could also be an opportunity for various IDN working groups to report on their work for consolidation. Thank you Sivasubramanian Muthusamy ALAC IDN Liaison. On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel(a)icann.org>wrote: > Dear all, > Included is proposed agenda for today’s call. As this is first meeting, the > suggested focus of the call is on administrative matters. > > 1. Welcome and agenda bashing > 2. Selection of chair for WG + alternate chair from members of the WG > 3. Deliverable Seoul meeting (WG Topic Paper*). > 4. WG working method > 5. Working Group meeting schedule > 6. AOB > 7. Closure > > > > * WG Topic Paper > The WG shall publish for public consultation a Topic Paper on the topics > and issues, which > in the view of the WG need to be taken into consideration to propose a > feasible policy for > the selection and delegation of IDN ccTLDs (the Issues)..... The > consultation should include a public > discussion with the relevant stakeholders at a designated ICANN meeting. > > > Kind regards, > Bart >

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Re: [ALAC] WELCOME to ALL NEW APPOINTEES and specially our new ALACMEMBERS!!
by carlos aguirre Aug. 30, 2009

Aug. 30, 2009

Welcome to all. Specially my dear bro Carlton and my friend Olga, and great George. ICANN have a clear future whith them Carlos Aguirre ------Mensaje original------ De: Vanda Scartezini Para: at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Para: alac-internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Para: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Asunto: [ALAC] WELCOME to ALL NEW APPOINTEES and specially our new ALACMEMBERS!! Enviado: 30 Ago 2009 13:31 Warm welcome to the new ALAC members! I wish them all a huge success and a high contribution to ALAC's development and I hope at the end of your term the ALSs have turn to more than 500 around the world!! Best wishes to all! Vanda Scartezini POLO Consultores Associados & IT Trend Alameda Santos 1470 cjs 1407/8 01418-903 Sao Paulo,SP. Fone + 55 11 3266.6253 Mob + 5511 8181.1464 _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org <http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac <http://st.icann.org/alac> Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® de Claro Argentina

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WELCOME to ALL NEW APPOINTEES and specially our new ALAC MEMBERS!!
by Vanda Scartezini Aug. 30, 2009

Aug. 30, 2009

Warm welcome to the new ALAC members! I wish them all a huge success and a high contribution to ALAC's development and I hope at the end of your term the ALSs have turn to more than 500 around the world!! Best wishes to all! Vanda Scartezini POLO Consultores Associados & IT Trend Alameda Santos 1470 cjs 1407/8 01418-903 Sao Paulo,SP. Fone + 55 11 3266.6253 Mob + 5511 8181.1464

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Welcome to our New ALAC Nom Com appointees!!
by Cheryl Langdon-Orr Aug. 30, 2009

Aug. 30, 2009

we have our new NomCom appointees from the Africa, Asia Pacific and Latin american & Caribbean regions see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-28aug09-en.htm a Huge Welcome aboard to all of you I look forward to working with all of you in the ALAC and I'm sure I speak for everyone else in the Regional, ALS, and wider At-Large when I say we look forward to incorporating your expertise, views and energy into our policy development work and discussions over the next 2 years... Staff can we ensure they are joined to our lists and that an Announce message goes out ASAP -- Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) announcement text for ALAC NomCom appointments 2009-2011 is copied below... *<snip> ALAC* *James Seng* has been appointed as an At Large Advisory Committee member from Asia/Australia/Pacific. James will bring his significant expertise on IDN (internationalized domain names) to bear on At Large discussions, and can also share his experience of Internet issues in several Asian countries; including Malaysia, Singapore and China where he now resides. James is the CEO of Zodiac Holdings, a company focused on IDN gTLDs in Asia. James is also Chief Technology Officer of the Shanghai Synacast Media Tech. Co, a member of the Executive Committee of the Singapore Advance Research and Education Network, and a committee member of the Internet and New Media Committee of Media Development Authority of Singapore. Previously, James has been a partner in Thymos Capital LLP 2007-2008, and worked as Assistant Director, Next Generation Network, Infocomm Development Authority of Singapore from 2003-2006. James is or has been involved in numerous Internet-related groups and committees including the Asia Pacific IPv6 Task Force, Internet Engineering Task Force, ICANN's IDN Registry Implementation Committee, Domain Name Technical Committeeof the Singapore Network Information Center, Asia Pacific Internet Association. He also served as Co-chair of the IDN Working Group, Internet Engineering Task Force, 1999-2003 and Chair of the iDNS Working Group, Asia Pacific Networking Group, 1998-2000. James' educational background includes a Bachelor of Information Technology, Software Engineering, Australian National University, 1996-1999 *Carlton Samuels* has been appointed as an At Large Advisory Committee member from Latin America / Caribbean. Carlton brings significant Caribbean experience and knowledge, and also an ability to facilitate consensus-building with the Latin American Internet community from his work as LACRALO secretariat. Carlton works as a consultant and an adjunct lecturer at the Information Science Faculty of Humanities & Education in the University of the West Indies at Mona Kingston, Jamaica. He is a Jamaican and US national. Previously, Carlton has worked as CIO & University Director of IT, University of the West Indies, Managing Director, Mona Informatix, as a registrar for the .jm ccTLD and VP, Network Systems, Neal & Massy Corporation as a senior executive with responsibility for regional network and telecommunications business segment for the largest Caribbean-based multinational. Carlton's current and previous volunteer positions include being a foundation member of and the current secretariat for the Latin America and Caribbean Regional At-Large Advisory Organization (LACRALO), member of the advisory boards of Microsoft Partners in Learning and the Project Advisory Board of the Caribbean Universities Project for Integrated Distance Education (CUPIDE). Carlton has also been a member of the CARICOM ICT Task Force, a regional ICT leadership position charged with developing a cohesive ICT policy framework for Caribbean governments. Carlton's educational background includes a degree in Natural Sciences from The University of the West Indies, a postgraduate degree in management information systems from George Mason University, US, and a postgraduate diploma in corporate strategy from the Sloan School of Management at MIT. *Dave Kissoondoyal* has been appointed as an At Large Advisory Committee member from Africa. Dave will be an invaluable asset to the ALAC given his experience in Internet governance and the Internet Society, whose Mauritius chapter he founded. Dave is Director of Information Technology at Teleforma (Mauritius), Ltd - A US Upstream Company. Previously, Dave was Group Technical Director and Chief Technology Officer for the Bowman Group of Companies. Dave is a member of the Public Interest Registry .ORG Advisory Council, a member of the African Stakeholders Network (ASN) of the United Nations Information and Communication Technologies Task Force and has been an Ambassador of the Internet Society to the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS). Dave's other volunteer work includes acting at different times as Secretary, Treasurer and President (CEO) of Save the Children Mauritius. He also founded the Internet Society of Mauritius and is its president. Dave's education background includes a qualification in electronics from the University of Mauritius, in information systems management from the Mauritius Institute of Management / University of Surrey, United Kingdom, and in electronics from the City and Guilds of London Institute. He speaks English, French and Hindi. <end snip>

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Re: [ALAC] Why is ICANN holding secret meetings with registrars/registries?
by Sivasubramanian Muthusamy Aug. 28, 2009

Aug. 28, 2009

Hello Here is a blog post that I found on the Tornoto meeting. It may be of interest: http://tldne.ws/2009/08/icann-blog-the-community-view-registryregistrar-reg… Sivasubramanian Muthusamy On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Adam Peake <ajp(a)glocom.ac.jp> wrote: > At Large Summit working groups 1 and 4 made reference to these meetings: > > WG1: "For regional meetings, all members of Bylaw-recognized bodies from > that region should receive travel and expense support on the same basis and > to the same extent as at International Meetings." > > WG 4: "Opening up the periodic ICANN regional meetings to participants > concerned with the public interest from the region concerned." > > Suggest that a minimum is for all ICANN meetings to included on the meeting > calender, agenda's published, input and outcome documents made available. > If no transcripts, then detailed notes of what was discussed should be > provided as a default. > > When the agenda's published, all Bylaw-recognized bodies from the region be > given the opportunity to attend if the agenda is relevant to their issues. > If these are set as the basic operating principles, then whether At Large > should be represented could be more on a needs/case by case basis. I don't > think the community needs more meetings it must send representatives too. > Over three week's year is enough, and the relevant work should be > concentrated in the three main ICANN meetings. > > Adam > > > > > > At 5:50 PM +0200 8/27/09, Patrick Vande Walle wrote: > >> There was a similar meeting some time ago in Rome, Italy for European >> registrars. Although it was not a "secret" meeting, it was mainly >> advertised to the target population, and not outside of it. >> >> From what I heard from participants, the content was about business >>> >> relations between ICANN and its registrars and exchange of best >> practices among them. There was no discussion about policy issues. >> >> I take your point though that it is rather inelegant to use you for >> information about hotels and not invite you to the event itself. Even if >> you would not be allowed to attend the meetings themselves, you could >> have at least talked to registrars about At-Large's concerns. >> >> We could suggest for future meetings to have a point on the agenda to >> address domain registrant issues, featuring an At-Large representative. >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> Evan Leibovitch wrote, On 26/8/09 18:36: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> On Saturday it came to my attention that ICANN held a secret meeting for >>> registrars and registries in Toronto. >>> >>> Why do I claim it was secret? Because there was no advance notice of the >>> meeting on ICANN's website, and the results were published only after >>> the meeting was over. >>> http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-25aug09-en.htm >>> >>> Living in Toronto, I was actually consulted back in March about local >>> hotels; at the time I explicitly asked to be invited to observe. That's >>> how I know there was no advance notice of the meeting, I was routinely >>> checking after the hotel inquiry. And I certainly received no notice of >>> the meeting, let alone an invitation. >>> >>> Who knows how many other meetings like this have happened, without >>> notice before (or may be even after) they took place? >>> >>> Now... why is it that what At-Large does is always under the microscope, >>> our requests for funding for regional and outreach meetings denied, and >>> others are welcome to sit in on our proceedings, but the same rules >>> don't apply to contracted parties? This would have been a perfect >>> opportunity to co-host a NARALO meeting, with ICANN already having >>> booked favourable room rates etc. At very least, I (and others) should >>> have been offered the courtesy to attend as observers. I explicitly >>> recall at the Summit, that the registrar people who inserted themselves >>> into our working group dicussions were quiet explicit that their >>> meetings were as publicly accesible as ours. Apparently that claim was a >>> lie. >>> >>> I am extremely angry over this in a want-to-get-the-Ombudsman-involved >>> way; I request a response from ICANN staff and I am asking for ALAC's >>> support in this inquiry. As it is unlikely that At-Large staff were >>> aware of this meeting either, I am asking for its help in identifying >>> >> > the source of this clandestine activity. We are owed an explanation of >> >>> why some ICANN constituencies get to have secret, private regional >>> meetings but others do not get to have regional meetings -- private or >>> public -- at all. >>> >>> - Evan >>> >>> >> -- >> Patrick Vande Walle >> Blog: http://patrick.vande-walle.eu >> Twitter: http://twitter.vande-walle.eu >> facebook: http://facebook.vande-walle.eu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >> ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac >> > > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac >

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Letter to the Chair of the Board on Status of Liaison Statement on Consumer and Other Constituency Proposals
by Cheryl Langdon-Orr Aug. 27, 2009

Aug. 27, 2009

To: Peter Dengate-Thrush Peter, You should by now have received the official notification by the Staff of ALAC’s strong support for the proposed GNSO Consumer Constituency; the ALAC voted by consensus to endorse the proposal. In this connection, I have the unhappy duty to inform you that it has come to our attention that the ALAC Board Liaison made statements in connection with the Board discussion about the proposed consumer constituency that were directly contrary to the view of the At-Large Community. It appears that she also made statements about other constituency proposals, many of which we have taken no settled view upon (CityTLD, IDNgTLD). If she did not make it clear that the ALAC and At-Large strongly support the Consumer Constituency proposal, she should have. Any adverse comments or questions that she raised were entirely personal in nature. To be frank, ALAC Liaisons to any part of ICANN have no business making personal statements without making clear that is all that they are; if Wendy failed to do in this case then she was acting inappropriately. All ALAC Liaisons are very clearly instructed to make it clear when they are making statements on behalf of At-Large, and when they are making personal statements. Our Liaisons (all of them) also don’t have any business making personal statements that they know are directly contrary to the formally stated positions of the community that they represent without making the conflict-of-interest situation crystal clear. For the avoidance of doubt, any statement made to the Board by the ALAC Board Liaison which is not clearly stated as “on behalf of At-Large”, is automatically a personal view only. I encourage you and/or your colleagues on the Board to enquire of me, or the Vice-Chairs and Rapporteur of the ALAC if you have any question about the nature of any statement made by our liaison. There is no possibility that Wendy could not have known of the support of the At-Large for the Consumer Constituency. At-Large has sought to recruit consumer organisations into the community for years now, and several internationally known consumer representatives and organisations are long-term At-Large Community members and leaders. In addition, leaders of the international consumer movement in At-Large are parties to the Constituency proposal as you know, and others in At-Large are working hard to recruit more consumer groups to join the constituency should the Board approve it. On a positive note, in preparation for the appointment of a Board Liaison for the upcoming year, At-Large began some months ago considerably upgrading the process by which the ALAC Board Liaison is chosen, and fleshed-out in considerable detail the obligations and requirements for eligibility for this important position. We ask for a statement from all candidates that they are able to meet the obligations, as part of our nominations process, and we recognise that there is nothing (so far) in our planned processes where we do anything resembling due diligence or even try to evaluate/judge how well the candidates meet the eligibility requirements (many of which are subjective in any case); We will shortly be apprising you of these via our At-Large Staff. Based on this experience this may need considerable review in the future but with the planned advent of voting At-Large elected Board Members I suspect the point becomes somewhat moot, but it is something to be considered as we flesh out that electoral process in the future. We believe these measures considerably increase the transparency and accountability of those who speak in our community’s name, and that unfortunate incidents such as the one that causes me to write to you today will be very effectively prevented. Moreover, I think you will find that the new processes and requirements are a considerable step forward in the development of processes that could be used by the At-Large Community to select voting Directors in the happy circumstance that the Board decides to approve At-Large appointing one or more Directors, as we believe that it should. Finally, please do forward this note on to the full Board, in advance of or at, this month's ICANN Board Meeting and discussions. (Digitally signed in the PDF copy attached to this transmission) Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) *ALAC Chair 2007-2009* *26**th** August, 2009*

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Re: [ALAC] Top Ten Myths About Civil Society Participation in ICANN
by Adam Peake Aug. 26, 2009

Aug. 26, 2009

Perhaps we should ask Robin to amend the document to read: In fact, the formal statement actually approved by ALAC said that some members of ALAC supported the NCUC proposal and that in particular "the de-linking of Council seats from Constituencies is a very good move in the right direction." Helpful? Thanks, Adam >A document entitled "Top Ten Myths About Civil Society Participation >in ICANN" has been distributed very widely in the last week or so. >An example is >http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/21/top-ten-myths-about-civil-society-par…. >According to that post, the documents originates with the NCUC. > >Myth 6 is about the ALAC and I believe is both inaccurate and >misleading. It reads: > >----------------- >Myth 6 > >"ALAC prefers the ICANN staff drafted charter over the civil society >drafted charter." >False. One ALAC leader said that she prefers the staff drafted >charter. ICANN staff ran away with this comment and falsely told >the ICANN Board of Directors that ALAC prefers the staff drafted >charter. In fact, the formal statement actually approved by ALAC >said that many members of ALAC supported the NCUC proposal and that >"the de-linking of Council seats from Constituencies is a very good >move in the right direction." >----------------- > >This implies that many ALAC members supported the NCUC proposal >(verbatim quote of above) and it implies that the ALAC said that the >de-linking of seats was a good thing. > >In fact, the statement that they were quoting >(http://forum.icann.org/lists/sg-petitions-charters/msg00020.html) >said: > >"Some members feel that although there are some problems with the >proposal, it generally addresses their concerns, and in particular, >the de-linking of Council seats from Constituencies is a very good >move in the right direction. Problems notwithstanding, the proposal >should receive Board approval." > >"Some" is not "Many" and the original statement made it clear that >the statement about de-linking was made by these "some members" and >not the ALAC in general. > >I do not know what we can do to counter this widely distributed >inaccuracy, but I do not believe that we can say nothing. > >Alan >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac

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At-Large Guide to gTLDs
by At-Large Staff Aug. 26, 2009

Aug. 26, 2009

Dear Members: As you may recall, there has been a long-standing publication development initiative slowly moving towards completion: the publication of the "At-Large Guide to gTLDs". This effort actually began even before I began working with ICANN. The last time this was reviewed by the community it was said that it would be revised, your comments included (they have been), the language made more accessible and brought up-to-date, and then the text in prospectively final form sent to all of you for review, in translated form. I have attached the English, French, and Spanish versions. If you could provide any final specific comments that you think should be reflected in the text, we could then incorporate those. Wwe would then create the publication-ready text for you, complete with some relevant graphics, so you could see the final-final text - and we could then publish it in time for the Seoul meeting. -- Regards, *ICANN At-Large Staff* Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella Gruber-White staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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Your attention is drawn to and Announcement re ACSO in Sydney from ICANN
by Cheryl Langdon-Orr Aug. 25, 2009

Aug. 25, 2009

Your attention is drawn to the following ICANN Announcement => Please log in and use this tool to give feedback on the ASCO meeting in Sydney and further the important discussions raised therein... http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-25aug09-en.htm Staff can we ensure this also goes to the Announce List please... -- Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO)

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Re: [ALAC] And part 2
by Beau Brendler Aug. 25, 2009

Aug. 25, 2009

The board rejected their power grab. That's gotta hurt. Wish they weren't using the tried-and-true methods totalitarian governments use to quash free speech, though, to make their case. Ironic. I got lots of other things I'd rather be doing, believe me. Good luck to the next NCUC/NCSG liaison. -----Original Message----- >From: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Sent: Aug 25, 2009 10:51 AM >To: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net> >Cc: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca>, ALAC Working List <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [ALAC] And part 2 > >Beau Brendler wrote: >> Here's some more haranguing, including a public posting by the former chairman of the NCUC, Milton Mueller, which details his perceptions of my failings in the job of NCUC liaison. >> >> And we wonder why we are having trouble getting volunteers? >> >Some of the grievances of NCUC may be legitimate, but the depth of >bitterness, paranoia and personal attack shown in the exchange is >inexcusable. Even if they had a point it was lost amidst the, er, unique >style of debate. > >This a really unhelpful distraction. We have a massively complex gTLD >infrastructure coming up rapidly, registrar and registry practices to >monitor, intense pressure by the trademark lobby to inflict major >mission-creep, increased threats to Internet user security and privacy >.... and this crap. > >I find it unfortunate that the unprecedented level of civil society >mobilization recently undertaken by NCUC comes not a a result of any >policy-driven initiative, but rather as a result of an internal power >struggle. What a waste. > >- Evan

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