February 2015 - Accountability-Cross-Community

ccNSO session feedback on Accountability
by Mathieu Weill Feb. 11, 2015

Feb. 11, 2015

Dear Colleagues, In anticipation of tomorrow's meeting, here are a few items that were discussed during the session held today in the ccNSO. During the meeting tomorrow, we will ask the respective SO/AC to share a few items of their respective group's feedback as well. For the ccNSO, a few items : - there was concern expressed that our group would add additional layers, highlighting that evil would be in the details in that regard. - the risk of creating a bureaucracy that would paralyze Icann was mentioned - there was discussion regarding a contingency case where Icann would redelegate a ccTLD outside of policy. - some discussion took place regarding coordination with the CWG - one of the panel members (which was comprised of the ccNSO members) expressed his view that the group was getting in the wrong direction, lost into details, and should simply stop and reconsider the approach. The ccNSO members of the CCWG clarified how these items were taken on board, and indicated these items would be relayed to the whole group. Thanks to my fellow ccNSO members for their participation, as well as to Becky who kindly agreed to moderate the panel. Best, -- ***************************** Mathieu WEILL AFNIC - directeur général Tél: +33 1 39 30 83 06 mathieu.weill(a)afnic.fr Twitter : @mathieuweill *****************************

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Draft WP 2 Scope, Mechanisms document
by Burr, Becky Feb. 11, 2015

Feb. 11, 2015

All, Attached is a draft scoping document for WP2. Jordan and I will be collaborating to coordinate the WP1 and WP2 scoping documents here in Singapore, so it is very much a draft at this point. Would welcome input, comments, suggestions in the meanwhile. Becky J. Beckwith Burr Neustar, Inc. / Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006 Office: + 1.202.533.2932 Mobile: +1.202.352.6367 / becky.burr(a)neustar.biz<mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz> / www.neustar.biz

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Ombudsman and Stream 2
by Avri Doria Feb. 11, 2015

Feb. 11, 2015

Hi, I just want to put in a place holder for discussion of the role of the Ombudsman in the accountability chain. ATRT2, recommended that the Board look at his function and reconsider whether it "needs to be expanded or otherwise revised". And by presumption, anything the Board needs to look at, we need to look at. The Ombudsman is one of the critical providers of ICANN accountability and the transparency needed for accountability and we need to make sure the role fits well in whatever new processes we recommend. This is especailly important in considering the function's independence: how is that guaranteed and how best can it be utilized. avri

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Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Milton Mueller's Twitter Account hacked?
by Dr Eberhard W Lisse Feb. 11, 2015

Feb. 11, 2015

Dear Professor Mueller, you probably neglected to consider that you performed in front of a witness. I am absolutely certain that I did not demand your use of uncouth language. I am, however, happy to agree that your conduct was absurd. Your suggestion that "interested" individuals may contact you privately is understood by me like your initial outrage that you prefer to do this behind the backs of the individuals concerned. Never mind that you specifically permitted me to forward, as per your below fullquote. All in all, even pretty lame. I really had expected more. el Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini > On Feb 11, 2015, at 09:56, Milton L Mueller <mueller(a)syr.edu> wrote: > > Dear Dr. Lisse > I am sorry that you feel the need to make a public issue out of an absurd personal spat that you instigated. But if you are going to do that you do need to tell the truth. > > I refuse to pollute lists with serious governance purposes with these kinds of exchanges. If anyone is interested in knowing more about what happened they can email me privately. > > --MM > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:el@lisse.NA] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:59 PM >> To: Milton L Mueller >> Cc: ccnso-members(a)icann.org; cctldcommunity(a)cctld-managers.org; >> accountability-cross-community(a)icann.org; Lisse Eberhard >> Subject: Re: Milton Mueller's Twitter Account hacked? >> >> Dear Professor Mueller, >> >> thank you very much for accosting me this morning while I was sitting at a >> the table in the restaurant conducting a business breakfast. >> >> I wish to record, that you refused to leave when asked politely and referred >> to me and I quote: "asshole". In front of a witness, I might add. >> >> Since I am partial to concise language on occasion I will not take the matter >> any further. Even though in Singapore they might still have the Crimen >> Injuria still on the books as we have in Namibia. >> >> However, I am not convinced that an authority of your stature involved in the >> ICG should resort to such language and tactics. >> >> I wish however to thank you for the below permission to post the previous >> correspondence to the lists so that this gets put into the proper context. >> >> greetings, el (Asshole) >> >>> On 2015-02-10 18:19 , Milton L Mueller wrote: >>> Dear Dr. Lisse, >>> >>> Yes, you can forward this: >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, Dr. Lisse, I appreciate your concern. Apparently, it was >>> actually SGdickinson’s Twitter account that was hacked, she tweeted >>> that Disspain said "CCs in danger of losing all ccnso has fought for" >>> >>> And “can’t believe we might agree to new body that means CC's have to >>> go through [creation of CCNSO] again” >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:epilisse@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 10, 2015 4:48 AM >>> *To:* Milton L Mueller >>> *Cc:* Lisse Eberhard >>> *Subject:* Re: Milton Mueller's Twitter Account hacked? >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Professor Mueller, >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't use Twitter because of the noise to content ratio, but if it >>> was you who called someone a lyer behind his back who I can not recall >>> in the 15 years I know him having lied even once, it is most >>> definitively out of order. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you had had the courage to stand up there and then and say it to >>> his face so he could respond I would have no onjections. As you may >>> know I am partial to concise language myself. >>> >>> >>> >>> Or were you not even there and this is what they call a retweet or >>> whatever spreading uncorroborated second hand information is called >>> these days? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> May I have your permission to post this to the two lists I cced this, >>> to which you perhaps may not be able to post to, and I will ensure >>> that you get copies of everything and will post your responses >>> uncommented. >>> >>> >>> >>> greetings, el >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 10, 2015, at 17:07, Milton L Mueller <mueller(a)syr.edu >>> <mailto:mueller@syr.edu>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks, Dr. Lisse, I appreciate your concern. Apparently, it >>> was actually SGdickinson’s Twitter account that was hacked, >>> se tweeted that Disspain said "CCs in danger of losing all >>> ccnso has fought for" >>> >>> And “cant believe we might agree to new body that means CC's >>> have to go through creation of CCNSO again” >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:epilisse@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 10, 2015 3:58 AM >>> *To:* Milton L Mueller >>> *Cc:* ccNSO Members; cctldworld(a)icann.org >>> <mailto:cctldworld@icann.org>; ccTLD Community List; Chris Disspain; >>> Lisse Eberhard >>> *Subject:* Milton Mueller's Twitter Account hacked? >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Professor Mueller, >>> >>> >>> >>> it apears someone hacked your Twitter account and posted the >>> below outrageosity. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please alert Twitter securitysi they can trace the culprit and >>> restore your security. >>> >>> >>> >>> greetings, el >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s >>> >>> >>> >>> [...] >>> Just tweeted >>> >>> >>> Milton Mueller @miltonmueller >>> ICANN Board member Disspain is lying to ccTLD operators, saying >>> an external IANA solution threatens the existence of ccNSO >>> #ICANN52 >>> >>> [...] >>>

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Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Milton Mueller's Twitter Account hacked?
by Dr Eberhard W Lisse Feb. 11, 2015

Feb. 11, 2015

Dear Professor Mueller, thank you very much for accosting me this morning while I was sitting at a the table in the restaurant conducting a business breakfast. I wish to record, that you refused to leave when asked politely and referred to me and I quote: "asshole". In front of a witness, I might add. Since I am partial to concise language on occasion I will not take the matter any further. Even though in Singapore they might still have the Crimen Injuria still on the books as we have in Namibia. However, I am not convinced that an authority of your stature involved in the ICG should resort to such language and tactics. I wish however to thank you for the below permission to post the previous correspondence to the lists so that this gets put into the proper context. greetings, el (Asshole) On 2015-02-10 18:19 , Milton L Mueller wrote: > Dear Dr. Lisse, > > Yes, you can forward this: > > > > Thanks, Dr. Lisse, I appreciate your concern. Apparently, it was > actually SGdickinson’s Twitter account that was hacked, she > tweeted that Disspain said "CCs in danger of losing all ccnso has > fought for" > > And “can’t believe we might agree to new body that means CC's > have to go through [creation of CCNSO] again” > > > > > > > > *From:*Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:epilisse@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 10, 2015 4:48 AM > *To:* Milton L Mueller > *Cc:* Lisse Eberhard > *Subject:* Re: Milton Mueller's Twitter Account hacked? > > > > Dear Professor Mueller, > > > > I don't use Twitter because of the noise to content ratio, but if > it was you who called someone a lyer behind his back who I can not > recall in the 15 years I know him having lied even once, it is > most definitively out of order. > > > > If you had had the courage to stand up there and then and say it > to his face so he could respond I would have no onjections. As > you may know I am partial to concise language myself. > > > > Or were you not even there and this is what they call a retweet or > whatever spreading uncorroborated second hand information is > called these days? > > > > > > May I have your permission to post this to the two lists I cced > this, to which you perhaps may not be able to post to, and I will > ensure that you get copies of everything and will post your > responses uncommented. > > > > greetings, el > > -- > > Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s > > > > > On Feb 10, 2015, at 17:07, Milton L Mueller <mueller(a)syr.edu > <mailto:mueller@syr.edu>> wrote: > > Thanks, Dr. Lisse, I appreciate your concern. Apparently, it > was actually SGdickinson’s Twitter account that was hacked, > se tweeted that Disspain said "CCs in danger of losing all > ccnso has fought for" > > And “cant believe we might agree to new body that means CC's > have to go through creation of CCNSO again” > > > > > > > > > > *From:*Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:epilisse@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 10, 2015 3:58 AM > *To:* Milton L Mueller > *Cc:* ccNSO Members; cctldworld(a)icann.org > <mailto:cctldworld@icann.org>; ccTLD Community List; Chris Disspain; > Lisse Eberhard > *Subject:* Milton Mueller's Twitter Account hacked? > > > > Dear Professor Mueller, > > > > it apears someone hacked your Twitter account and posted the > below outrageosity. > > > > Please alert Twitter securitysi they can trace the culprit and > restore your security. > > > > greetings, el > > -- > > Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s > > > > [...] > Just tweeted > > > Milton Mueller @miltonmueller > ICANN Board member Disspain is lying to ccTLD operators, saying > an external IANA solution threatens the existence of ccNSO #ICANN52 > > [...] >

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Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for CCWG ACCT Session 10 - 03 February
by Brenda Brewer Feb. 11, 2015

Feb. 11, 2015

Dear all, The notes, recordings and transcripts for the CCWG ACCT Session 10 call on 03 February will be available here: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=51415000 Action Items - Upload/update your SOI using the wiki - Encourage your communities to attend the engagement session - Staff to post updated list of sessions on wiki - Rapporteurs to confirm availability to join Chairs during engagement session - Staff to assemble number of sessions where engagement with communities will take place - Working Parties to send meeting requirements (if any) as soon as possible - Co-chairs to ask for Board expectations and to coordinate with Bruce Tonkin (Board liaison) - Circulate proposed agenda to list - Read compilation of documents/information in preparation for Singapore sessions and identify any gaps - Robin to send synopsis of a Bylaws mechanism - WP2 is trying to organize its first call/meeting - a doodle poll will be circulated. - ST-WP to provide draft examples in anticipation of Singapore discussions to understand what is meant by stress tests and collect feedback - Be prepared for Singapore (agenda, invitations) - Read all documents - Keep respective groups informed of progress - Continue debates on mailing list Notes 1. Welcome & roll call & SOI - SOIs are still missing. Action item: - Upload/update your SOI using the wiki 2. Update from interactions with CWG - Response to CWG has been circulated. CCWG is now expecting feedback. - CCWG-CWG leadership discussed how the groups may align thinking in terms of timeline, overall plan. - CWG will issue a progress report in anticipation of Singapore 3. Preparing Singapore a. Reminder of sessions / logistics - Remote participation is available for all sessions - Rapporteurs: join Co-chairs on stage during engagement session - Thursday session will be also used to recap various messages received during week Action Items: - Encourage your communities to attend the engagement session - Staff to post updated list of sessions on wiki - Rapporteurs to confirm availability to join Chairs during engagement session - Staff to assemble number of sessions where engagement with communities will take place - Working Parties to send meeting requirements (if any) as soon as possible b. Agenda /topics for Board meeting - Topics for session with Board include: timeline; how CCWG proposal will be handled, any anticipated reasons why a proposal/part of a proposal might be refused, and the anticipated process following any such refusal; update on two WPs (communication empowerment - Review & Redress) - Meeting with the Board will be posted on the meeting schedule along with remote participation details. Action Item: - Co-chairs to ask for Board expectations and to coordinate with Bruce Tonkin (Board liaison) - Circulate proposed agenda to list c. Review of engagement material provided before meeting Action Item: - Read compilation of documents/information in preparation for Singapore sessions and identify any gaps 4. Update WP1/WP2 a. By rapporteurs - WP1 has begun analyzing the mindmap and collecting requirements of inventory against identified mindmap requirements. - 4 suggestions for structures that would empower the community were catalogued: 1) ad hoc SO/AC; 2) permanent community WG; 3) statutory members; 4)Supervisory Board - Initial draft will be shared in advance of Singapore - The WP is looking into scheduling a call to discuss modus operandi and establish a calendar of work. The WP indicated that an end date on WP work would be useful. End of March 2015 was flagged as the expected delivery date. Action item: - Robin to send synopsis of a Bylaws mechanism - WP2 is trying to organize its first call/meeting - a doodle poll will be circulated. b. Update stress test WP - The wiki page captures the 25 contingencies merged into 5 different groups. A table serves to track where contingencies are. ST-WP will potentially hold a meeting in Singapore. - Proposal to run stress tests against mechanisms - determine whether prevent consequences of stress test or mitigate/react c. Ideally, discussion around first set of answers to the contingency questions - Proposal is to start with stress tests and determine how the existing mechanism reacts and how envisioned mechanism would react. - Suggestions of a gap analysis approach and an Exist & sufficient - Exist & insufficient approach were made. Action Item: - ST-WP to provide draft examples in anticipation of Singapore discussions to understand what is meant by stress tests and collect feedback 5. Legal advice update - The task force has started building questions that should be asked to legal experts and awaiting questions from working parties. - A shortlist was requested from CWG (awaiting reply); the group is coordinating with CWG on California law restrictions. - Outcome will be shared with the group as soon as received. -The CCWG welcomed advisor Lee Bygrave. 6. A.O.B The following desired outcomes for Singapore were identified: * Share advancement of work (WPs, requirements, contingencies * Ensure we receive feedback from community, assess, adjust (as needed) * Ensure timelines are appropriately synchronized (including with ICANN Board) * Make substantive progress during two work sessions * Ensure we are aligned with community's thinking 7. Closing Remarks Action Items: - Be prepared for Singapore (agenda, invitations) - Read all documents - Keep respective groups informed of progress - Continue debates on mailing list

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Responses to questions from Jones Day
by León Felipe Sánchez Ambía Feb. 10, 2015

Feb. 10, 2015

Dear all, Please find attached the responses from Jones Day for questions prepared by Kevin Espinola. I would like to ask you to please review the document so we can further discuss it in our session tomorrow. I would also like to remind the group that this is a first step which runs parallel to what the legal sub-team is doing in coordination with the CWG “legal client”. The aim is to have this responses reviewed by the legal sub-team as well as by the larger CCWG so we can determine how to better validate this responses with the external legal advisors when we engage with said external advice. I look forward to a fruitful session with all of you. Best regards, León

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CCWG working session, Thursday 07:00 to 10:00 SGT
by Adam Peake Feb. 10, 2015

Feb. 10, 2015

Hi everyone, As I mentioned during yesterday's session, the CCWG working session on Thursday, 7am, is in the Padang room. Later on Thursday Padang will be used for the pubic forum when it will be arranged theatre style. For our session we will have desks for about 100 people. Desks with mics and power. These are intended for you as member/participants, but it will be difficult to enforce any seating rule. We will have tea/coffee and some croissants, muffins etc. I hope enough to see you through the 3 hours. Best, Adam

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Report on Legal sub-team meeting
by León Felipe Sánchez Ambía Feb. 10, 2015

Feb. 10, 2015

Dear all, A group of CCWG members today met with Jones Day attorney Kevin Espinola along with some ICANN staff to discuss the memo from Jones Day circulated earlier this week. The discussion explored the issues in the memo, and in particular explored the possibilities around the removal of Board members and available mechanisms for challenging board decisions, which were described as indeed being possible. It's clear there is more exploration to be done and the accumulation of questions for independent legal advise to the CCWG continues. Today's discussion was useful and painted a more optimistic picture of options for ICANN accountability than a quick read of the memo might indicate. We will continue to report on our work on a regular basis. Best regards, León

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Re: [CCWG-ACCT] [ccnso-members] Fwd: [Cctldworld] Unlocking the IANA debate.....
by Dr Eberhard W Lisse Feb. 10, 2015

Feb. 10, 2015

Same applies to CCWG-Accountability in my view. el On 2015-02-09 23:38 , Jordan Carter wrote: > this may be of use tomorrow, > > Jordan > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Paul M Kane* <Paul.Kane(a)icb.co.uk <mailto:Paul.Kane@icb.co.uk>> > Date: Monday, 9 February 2015 > Subject: [iana] [Cctldworld] Unlocking the IANA debate..... > To: cctldworld(a)icann.org <mailto:cctldworld@icann.org> > > > > The CWG debate seems to be getting bogged down with internal/external. > > May I suggest we stand back for a moment and ask some fundamental > questions that > may assist unlock the debate and identify we as ccTLD Registries want - > please > see attached. > > Best > > Paul > > > > > -- > Jordan Carter > Chief Executive, InternetNZ > > +64-21-442-649 | jordan(a)internetnz.net.nz <mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz> > > Sent on the run, apologies for brevity >

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