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LAST DAY - CALL FOR COMMENTS: ALAC Statement on the Preliminary Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures
by ICANN At-Large Staff Sept. 30, 2015

Sept. 30, 2015

Dear All, This is to remind you that At-Large's internal commenting period for the draft ALAC Statement in response to the Public Comment on the Preliminary Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures<https://community.icann.org/x/zIdYAw> will end today at 23:59 UTC. The draft, as well as pertinent resources for this Public Comment, can be found in its wiki workspace here: https://community.icann.org/x/zIdYAw. All At-Large members are welcome to comment on this draft. Nevertheless, comments submitted after 30 September 23:59 UTC will likely not be considered by the penholder(s) or incorporated in the final Statement. If you have input on the draft, please submit it in the wiki workspace using the comment function. You will need to log in to the wiki to use the comment function. If you don't have a login or have other issue using the wiki, kindly contact staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann<https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge>atlarge<https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @<https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge<https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>

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FW: [ALAC-Announce] CALL FOR COMMENTS: ALAC Statement on the Preliminary Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures
by Ariel Liang Sept. 23, 2015

Sept. 23, 2015

Fwd to the ALAC list From: Olivier Crepin Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com> Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 10:23 AM To: "at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ICANN GTLD WG list <gtld-wg(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC-Announce] CALL FOR COMMENTS: ALAC Statement on the Preliminary Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures [ I've modified the distribution & added both new gTLD WG list & ALAC list - when you reply, you might get a bounce from the new gTLD list if you're not in the WG but staff will do the magic to unlock you message ] Just a few notes: - the Preliminary Issues Report is long (147 pages) but needs to be read thoroughly. - the draft ALAC Statement addresses only those points which Carlton and I felt were important to address. If you see anything else in the Preliminary Issues Report that requires our attention, please flag it as soon as possible so we can add it. - I know that some in our community are saying: "no more new gTLDs / ban on new gTLD rounds", or "no more new gTLDs until we see a demonstration that the first round has served the public interest". Please note that the current issues report says that the default is that the program *will continue with a next round*. Having spent time on the gNSO council participating in the discussions, it is clear that there is a very strong pressure from Contracted Parties and some parts of the Non-Contracted parties (some of whom might be interested in being part of the next application round) that *want* a next round to take place *as soon as possible*. Unless you are ready to enter a trench war with the GNSO, I would not recommend that we ask for an outright indefinite ban on new gTLDs -- because since the working group will be a GNSO working group, we'll all end up being completely ignored from day 1. Carlton and I have therefore taken the stance that if there is going to be another round, *all* the issues identified in the issues report, and other issues we have pointed out, need to be both studied and resolved. Even that is going to be a very hard point to defend, but it is absolutely worth defending - if/when the working group gets under way, please take part in the WG. - If the At-Large Community would like next round of new gTLDs promoting applicants from developing economies, the ALAC might need to support a next round sooner rather than later. Kind regards, Olivier On 23/09/2015 14:07, ICANN At-Large Staff wrote: > Dear All, > > On behalf of the ALAC, Olivier Crepin-Leblond and Carlton Samuels have > developed the first draft ALAC Statement in response to the Public Comment on > the Preliminary Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures > <https://community.icann.org/x/zIdYAw> . The draft, as well as pertinent > resources for the Public Comment, can be found in its wiki workspace here: > https://community.icann.org/x/zIdYAw. All At-Large members are welcome to > comment on this draft. > > Please take a moment to review this draft and if you have input, please submit > it in the wiki workspace using the comment function by 30 September 2015. You > will need to log in to the wiki to use the comment function. If you don¹t have > a login or have other issue using the wiki, kindly contact > <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > > Inputs submitted in this mailing list will be transferred to the wiki > workspace for the penholder(s) to keep track of the community comments and > take them into consideration when finalizing the draft. > > Regards, > > Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine > and Terri Agnew > ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC > E-mail: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> www.facebook.com/icann > <http://www.facebook.com/icann> atlarge > <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> > Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> ICANNAtLarge > <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> >

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Selection of Pre-Dublin ALAC Leadership Training Program attendees
by Alan Greenberg Sept. 22, 2015

Sept. 22, 2015

As you will recall, the ALAC is allocated five positions in the Pre-Dublin Leadership Training Program (LTP). The leadership of each RALO was requested to identify two candidates. The ALAC is asked to identify a selection that is a mix of relatively new person needing training and ones with significant ICANN experience. AFRALO had previously asked that Seun Ojedeji be named in order to ensure timely visa processing for him. The ALAC and Liaisons to ICANN SO/ACs met in camera (with no outsiders) today to discuss the candidates and make a final selection. Those chosen were: APRALO: Maureen Hilyard EURALO: Yrjö Länsipuro LACRALO: Harold Arcos NARALO: Judith Hellerstein There is a possibility that Harold will not be able to obtain a visa in sufficient time to attend the LTP (or perhaps even the entire ICANN meeting). I will work with LACRALO leadership to consider alternatives if we discover that the visa issue for Harold cannot be overcome. Alan

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Review ATLAS II Recommendation 7 and 13
by Ariel Liang Sept. 22, 2015

Sept. 22, 2015

Dear All, During today¹s IANA Transition & ICANN Accountability WG <https://community.icann.org/x/nJVYAw> call, participants discussed ATLAS II Recommendation #7 and #13 and concluded that the ALAC needs to further review them. The goal is to understand what exactly the ALAC wants out of these two recommendations in relations to the organizational reviews of ICANN. Please follow the links to review the recommendations and the notes: Rec 7: https://community.icann.org/x/MJZCAw Rec 13: https://community.icann.org/x/PZZCAw Best Regards, Ariel Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>

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Liaison appointments for 2015-16
by Alan Greenberg Sept. 21, 2015

Sept. 21, 2015

Our current ALAC-appointed Liaisons are: GNSO: Olivier Crepin-Leblond ccNSO: Maureen Hilyard SSAC: Julie Hammer .mobi: Murray McKercher According to ALAC RoP 18.2, "By the decision of the ALAC, a current Appointee who is willing to continue in that role may be reconfirmed instead of initiating a new selection process." Following consultation with ALAC Members, I conclude that there is widespread agreement that we extend the appointment of all four Liaisons for the coming year. I will be asking that the ALAC make a formal decision on this at the ALAC meeting on Tuesday. If you will not be able to attend the meeting, please arrange with another ALAC member to vote on your behalf, and notify At-Large Staff of this arrangement. You may either instruct the proxy-holder how to vote, or you may allow them to vote as they wish (<http://tinyurl.com/ALAC-RoP-2013-04>http://tinyurl.com/ALAC-RoP-2013-04, Section 12.3) Alan

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Re: [ALAC] New gTLD Auction Proceeds Discussion Paper
by Alan Greenberg Sept. 17, 2015

Sept. 17, 2015

Thank you Eduardo. Ariel, please take note of Eduardo as penholder. At 17/09/2015 12:12 AM, Eduardo Diaz wrote: >I can volunteer for that. > >-ed > >On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:49 PM Alan Greenberg ><<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: >As you all know, there has been an ongoing discussion on how to use >the New gTLD Auction proceeds (currently almost US$60,000,000). There >were sessions discussing this in Buenos Aires. >The current plan is to have a drafting group create a charter for a >Cross-Community Working Group which will recommend how the proceeds >are to be used. As a prelude to this, a Discussion Paper has been >published and is now open for Public Comment. >As the ALAC has been very vocal on this subject, I believe that we >should issue a comment, even if it is only to say that the Discussion >Paper is a good start and that the ALAC will participate in the CWG. >We need a volunteer to take responsibility for drafting such a statement. >Alan >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list ><mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac >At-Large Online: <http://www.atlarge.icann.org>http://www.atlarge.icann.org >ALAC Working Wiki: ><https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL…>https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… >

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Use of Country and Territory Names/Codes as Top-Level Domains
by Alan Greenberg Sept. 17, 2015

Sept. 17, 2015

As you may know, there is a joint ccNSO-GNSO Cross-Community Working group on the use of country and territory names as Top Level Domains (CWG-UCTN). The CWG is soliciting input on the use of three-letter country codes - see https://community.icann.org/x/VIxYAw and https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg. Cheryl is the only active At-Large participant in the CWG. In general, the ALAC has taken the position that there should be no restrictions on the use of formal country/territory names for 2nd-level domain names, but had not considered their use as top-level domains in recent years. The three-letter codes were not available for assignment during the first round of new gTLDs. We are looking for a volunteer to, in consultation with Cheryl, review whether an ALAC statement is necessary and advisable, and if so to draft such a statement. Please redistribute this to your RALOs if you feel that appropriate. Alan

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New gTLD Auction Proceeds Discussion Paper
by Alan Greenberg Sept. 17, 2015

Sept. 17, 2015

As you all know, there has been an ongoing discussion on how to use the New gTLD Auction proceeds (currently almost US$60,000,000). There were sessions discussing this in Buenos Aires. The current plan is to have a drafting group create a charter for a Cross-Community Working Group which will recommend how the proceeds are to be used. As a prelude to this, a Discussion Paper has been published and is now open for Public Comment. As the ALAC has been very vocal on this subject, I believe that we should issue a comment, even if it is only to say that the Discussion Paper is a good start and that the ALAC will participate in the CWG. We need a volunteer to take responsibility for drafting such a statement. Alan

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CCWG Accountability Face-to-face meeting in Los Angeles
by Alan Greenberg Sept. 16, 2015

Sept. 16, 2015

As you probably know, there will be a face-to-face meeting of the CCWG-Accountability in Los Angeles on 25-26 September 2015 (the end of next week). This meeting was only arranged last week and the time-line is very tight. Normally for such meetings, only the Members formally appointed by their AC/SOs is funded to attend. We expect all five ALAC Members to be present (Alan, Cheryl, Leon, Sebastien and Tijani). At the CCWG meeting held earlier today, it was announced that funding would be provided for one additional person from each SO/AC. I have consulted with the other CCWG Members as well as the ALAC Leadership Team. The two people who are CCWG Participants and have been the most active are Olivier Crepin-Leblond and Seun Ojedeji. Olivier's schedule will make it very difficult for him to participate in the full two-day meeting. Seun, despite past visa issues, does have a valid visa for the US and is available to travel if he can start travel planning immediately, so I believe that he is the logical additional person to represent us at the meeting. Alan

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Consensus Call: ALAC Statement on the Policy & Implementation Bylaws
by Alan Greenberg Sept. 16, 2015

Sept. 16, 2015

At our ALAC meeting, I was requested to draft and submit a statement on the Policy & Implementation Bylaws to be ratified by the Board. As requested, the statement sends exactly the same message has we have send to the two previous public comments the WG Recommendations. Specifically we have concerns about whether the GNSO can properly defend user and public interest if and when it may conflict with contracted party needs, and we have concerns that implementation of complex issues may take very long if there are multiple needs to revert to the GNSO for additional deliberations. Given the late timing of this statement, I asked that it be reviewed by those in At-Large most deeply involved in the process. Since we are supporting the recommended changes, but have concerns about the long-term implications, the statement take the form of formal advise to the Board that both of these concerns is that both issues be monitored to detect any negative implications. The statement is appended below. With this message, I am issuing a Consensus Call on this statement to end at 23:59 on Friday, 18 September 2015 at 23:59 UTC. In the absence of significant opposition, this statement will be deemed to be ratified. Alan ============= ALAC and At-Large representatives were very active in the Policy and Implementation Working Group and the ALAC supports the recommendations. The ALAC nonetheless has two concerns that have been raised throughout the WG processes. 1. GNSO processes allow participation from all communities, and so in theory can equitably balance all issues. However, given that contracted parties can be greatly impacted by GNSO policy decision outcomes, they have strong motivation to actively participate in policy development working groups, and are often well funded to do so. Those representing users and the public interest such as At-Large or non-commercial users' constituencies are less able to participate on the same level. Accordingly, it is possible for WG participation to be unbalanced. Moreover, within the GNSO Council, the Contracted House Stakeholder Groups acting in unison can block a super-majority approval of any prospective recommendation. As a result, the ALAC has concerns that if an issue were to arise where the public interest and the needs of users is in conflict with the needs of contracted parties, the GNSO may not be able to arrive at an equitable solution. 2. Although the principle of referring all policy-like issues encountered during implementation back to the GNSO for resolution supports the concept of the GNSO being the sole gTLD policy body, the ALAC is concerned that for complex implementations such as the new gTLD process and future directory services solutions, the number of such referrals may unreasonably elongate the overall implementation process. As stated above, the ALAC supports the recommended processes, but Advises the Board to carefully monitor both issues to ensure that user and public interests are appropriately considered and that the implementation of complex policy can be accomplished in reasonable time-frames.

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Blog on Board Comments to CCWG
by Rinalia Abdul Rahim Sept. 12, 2015

Sept. 12, 2015

Please find below link to Steve Crocker's blog on the Board's final comments to the CCWG. Best regards, Rinalia > > https://www.icann.org/news/blog/icann-board-submits-final-comments-to-ccwg-… > >

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Blog from Steve Crocker
by Rinalia Abdul Rahim Sept. 4, 2015

Sept. 4, 2015

Blog from Steve Crocker following the CCWG-Board meeting on 2 September 2015 UTC+2200. https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-through-the-last-mile Best regards, Rinalia

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At-Large: Part of the Private Sector? Part of Civil Society?
by Alan Greenberg Sept. 3, 2015

Sept. 3, 2015

These two questions seem to be coming up regularly. The current draft proposal of the CCWG-Accountability refers to ICANN being leg by the "Private Sector (as opposed to the Public Sector - Governments), and includes us in the Civil society part of the private sector. Looking at definitions can be useful. There are many of both terms. The most common definition of the Private Sector says it is everything that is not funded or controlled by government. Many definitions even explicitly list individuals as part of it. That certainly includes us. Some definitions talk about three groups, the public sector, the private sector (referring to for-profit organizations) and the "Voluntary Sector". The latter certainly includes the formal parts of At-Large, but really leaves individuals, who are no longer part of ANY of the sectors. From my perspective, that means that if we are part of the "Private Sector", we better be explicitly listed as such. I would appreciate hearing how these terms are defined in other languages and cultures. The Wikipedia defines Civil Society as "aggregate of non-governmental organizations and institutions that manifest interests and will of citizens." Civil society includes the family and the private sphere, referred to as the "third sector" of society, distinct from government and business. The World Bank has a more detailed definition: the term civil society to refer to the wide array of non-governmental and not-for-profit organizations that have a presence in public life, expressing the interests and values of their members or others, based on ethical, cultural, political, scientific, religious or philanthropic considerations. Civil Society Organizations (CSOs) therefore refer to a wide of array of organizations: community groups, non-governmental organizations (NGOs), labor unions, indigenous groups, charitable organizations, faith-based organizations, professional associations, and foundations". In both definitions, Civil Society is listed as essentially being defines as groups of one form or another. By those definitions, At-large and our components parts are certainly civil society, but the individuals whose interests we defend are not part of civil society per se. Thoughts? Alan

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Re: [ALAC] [lac-discuss-en] At-Large: Part of the private sector? Part of Civil Society?
by Carlton Samuels Sept. 3, 2015

Sept. 3, 2015

Alberto: Oh yes. I readily acknowledge it might take some effort in thinking to connect Argentine definitions of a 'user' in law which, in evidence, you so enthusiastically embraced to the discriminatory - and ,IMHO - shabby intent of the attack on Lance Hinds' work and welfare. In our corner of the world and purely on exercising the rule of reason, this would be clear evidence of intellectual dishonesty. It was a teachable moment. I shall take the time to catalog the evidence of similar transgressions on reason and judgment in due course. Watch this this space. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:48 PM, <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> wrote: > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject: Re: At-Large: Part of the private sector? Part of Civil Society? > From: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org > > Dear Carlton, regret your mistake, this is the box of apples and pears > have brought. > Apologies to the rest of the list. > Best regards > > > Alberto Soto > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: > lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of > carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com > Posted on: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 4:19 pm > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC < > alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] At-Large: Part of the private sector? Part > of Civil Society? > > > > > [[Translated text (en -> en) -]] > > > Subject: Re: At-Large: Part of the private sector? Part of Civil Society? > From: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com > > > Alberto: > Here it is, presumably, citing Argentina law: > > > > > '* In Argentina, the Law on Consumer Protection, says in Article 1. This > law aims to protect consumers or users. consumer considers the natural or > legal person who acquires or uses, for free or for consideration, goods or > services as an end in themselves or their family or social group. * > > > > > * Here and throughout the world, the end user has two defenders. One for > when you have problems with products or services; and to defend their > interests within ICANN. '* > > > > > It would have been helpful if this bit of scholarship was exerted > belonging to the charges against Lance Hinds in the last elections [in] > LACRALO action. > > > > > I guess you see the ALS Iberoamericana as a defender of consumer and user > rights ICANN, yes? > > > > > So now, under Argentine law, consumers and users are defined and co- > recognized as both "natural and legal persons". Think about the > amount of pain > I could have saved ourselves a little demonstration of leadership? You > I could have saved all of us to hear from the dullard world > which often disguise opinion as reported in LACRALO. > > > > > That view of the dullard originated in Argentina makes me doubly sure > what happened in this election was a conspiracy failed and appearance > ignorance. > > > > > Ritz-Carlton Samuels > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Cell: 876-818-1799 > * Strategy, Planning, Government, evaluation and delivery * > ============================= > > > > > On Mon, August 31, 2015 at 8:12 pm, Alberto Soto < > asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Alan, I did a semantic analysis, using the dictionary of the Royal > > Spanish Academy. > > > > Public Sector: all public organizations and agencies, organizations and > > companies subject to them. > > > > Private Sector: That is not public or state property, but belongs to > > individuals. > > > > Society: natural grouping of people agreed that unit are different from > > each of the individuals, in order to meet, through mutual cooperation, > all > > or any of the purposes of life. > > > > Civil society, private sector, citizens and society relationships and > > private activities. > > > > In the Latin world, we have two large sectors: the public sector > > (government) and the (non-governmental) Private Sector. In the latter > > enters the civil society and non-governmental sectors all we know. > > > > This is quite consistent with the definition of the World Bank. Although > I > > agree that it should include the end user. > > > > In Argentina, the Law on Consumer Protection says in his article 1. This > > law aims to protect consumers or users. consumer is considered to the > > natural or legal person who acquires or uses, free of charge or for > > consideration, goods or services as an end in themselves or for their > > family or social group. > > > > Here and all over the world, the end user has two defenders. One for when > > you have problems with goods or services; and we to defend their > interests > > within ICANN. > > > > But in my opinion, again, the end user must appear as such when the > > components of civil society are described. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Alberto > > > > > > > > *De:* alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: > > alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] *En nombre de *Alan Greenberg > > *Enviado el:* lunes, 31 de agosto de 2015 12:59 p. m. > > *Para:* ALAC <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > *Asunto:* [ALAC] At-Large: Part of the Private Sector? Part of Civil > > Society? > > > > > > > > These two questions seem to be coming up regularly. The current draft > > proposal of the CCWG-Accountability refers to ICANN being leg by the > > "Private Sector (as opposed to the Public Sector - Governments), and > > includes us in the Civil society part of the private sector. > > > > Looking at definitions can be useful. There are many of both terms. > > > > The most common definition of the Private Sector says it is everything > > that is not funded or controlled by government. Many definitions even > > explicitly list individuals as part of it. That certainly includes us. > > > > Some definitions talk about three groups, the public sector, the private > > sector (referring to for-profit organizations) and the "Voluntary > Sector". > > The latter certainly includes the formal parts of At-Large, but really > > leaves individuals, who are no longer part of ANY of the sectors. > > > > From my perspective, that means that if we are part of the "Private > > Sector", we better be explicitly listed as such. > > > > I would appreciate hearing how these terms are defined in other languages > > and cultures. > > > > > > The Wikipedia defines Civil Society as "aggregate of non-governmental > > organizations and institutions that manifest interests and will of > > citizens." Civil society includes the family and the private sphere, > > referred to as the "third sector" of society, distinct from government > and > > business. > > > > The World Bank has a more detailed definition: the term civil society to > > refer to the wide array of *non-governmental and not-for-profit > > organizations that have a presence in public life, expressing the > interests > > and values of their members or others, based on ethical, cultural, > > political, scientific, religious or philanthropic considerations. Civil > > Society Organizations (CSOs) therefore refer to a wide of array of > > organizations: community groups, non-governmental organizations (NGOs), > > labor unions, indigenous groups, charitable organizations, faith-based > > organizations, professional associations, and foundationsâ€ .* > > > > In both definitions, Civil Society is listed as essentially being defines > > as groups of one form or another. By those definitions, At-large and our > > components parts are certainly civil society, but the individuals whose > > interests we defend are not part of civil society per se. > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > [image: Avast logo] <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > > > El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrÃ³nico en > > busca de virus. > > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ALAC mailing list > > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > > ALAC Working Wiki: > > > https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… > > > > > > > > > > > > [[--Original text (es) > http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/aa92c1f066.html > --]] > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > >

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Re: [ALAC] [lac-discuss-es] At-Large: Parte del sector privado? Parte de la Sociedad Civil?
by Alberto Soto Sept. 3, 2015

Sept. 3, 2015

Estimado Carlton, lamento tu equivocación, este es el cajón de manzanas, y has traído peras. Disculpas al resto de la lista. Saludos cordiales Alberto Soto -----Mensaje original----- De: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Enviado el: miércoles, 2 de septiembre de 2015 4:19 p. m. Para: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] At-Large: Parte del sector privado? Parte de la Sociedad Civil? [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: At-Large: Parte del sector privado? Parte de la Sociedad Civil? De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Alberto: Aquí está, presumiblemente, citando la ley argentina: '* En Argentina, la Ley de Protección al Consumidor, dice en su artículo 1. Este ley tiene por objeto proteger a los consumidores o usuarios. consumidor se considera a la persona física o jurídica que adquiere o utiliza, de forma gratuita o por consideración, bienes o servicios como un fin en sí mismos o para su familia o grupo social. * * Aquí y en todo el mundo, el usuario final tiene dos defensores. Uno para cuando tiene problemas con productos o servicios; y para defender sus intereses dentro de ICANN. '* Hubiera sido tan útil si este bit de beca fue ejercida perteneciente a la acusación en contra de Lance Hinds en las últimas elecciones [en] acción en LACRALO. Supongo que usted ve el ALS Iberoamericana como defensor de los consumidores y usuarios los derechos de la ICANN, sí? Así que ahora, en el derecho argentino, los consumidores y los usuarios son co-definidos y son reconocidos como los dos "personas naturales y jurídicas". Piense en la cantidad de dolor que podría haber salvado a nosotros mismos con una pequeña demostración de liderazgo? Usted podría haber salvado a todos nosotros de escuchar la opinión de la dullard del mundo que suelen enmascararse opinión en cuanto informado en LACRALO. Ese punto de vista de la dullard originó en Argentina me hace doblemente seguro de que lo que ocurrió en esa elección fallida fue una conspiración y con apariencia de ignorancia. Ritz-Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Lun, 31 de agosto 2015 a las 8:12 de la tarde, Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> escribió: > Dear Alan, I did a semantic analysis, using the dictionary of the Royal > Spanish Academy. > > Public Sector: all public organizations and agencies, organizations and > companies subject to them. > > Private Sector: That is not public or state property, but belongs to > individuals. > > Society: natural grouping of people agreed that unit are different from > each of the individuals, in order to meet, through mutual cooperation, all > or any of the purposes of life. > > Civil society, private sector, citizens and society relationships and > private activities. > > In the Latin world, we have two large sectors: the public sector > (government) and the (non-governmental) Private Sector. In the latter > enters the civil society and non-governmental sectors all we know. > > This is quite consistent with the definition of the World Bank. Although I > agree that it should include the end user. > > In Argentina, the Law on Consumer Protection says in his article 1. This > law aims to protect consumers or users. consumer is considered to the > natural or legal person who acquires or uses, free of charge or for > consideration, goods or services as an end in themselves or for their > family or social group. > > Here and all over the world, the end user has two defenders. One for when > you have problems with goods or services; and we to defend their interests > within ICANN. > > But in my opinion, again, the end user must appear as such when the > components of civil society are described. > > > > Regards > > > > Alberto > > > > *De:* alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: > alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] *En nombre de *Alan Greenberg > *Enviado el:* lunes, 31 de agosto de 2015 12:59 p. m. > *Para:* ALAC <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > *Asunto:* [ALAC] At-Large: Part of the Private Sector? Part of Civil > Society? > > > > These two questions seem to be coming up regularly. The current draft > proposal of the CCWG-Accountability refers to ICANN being leg by the > "Private Sector (as opposed to the Public Sector - Governments), and > includes us in the Civil society part of the private sector. > > Looking at definitions can be useful. There are many of both terms. > > The most common definition of the Private Sector says it is everything > that is not funded or controlled by government. Many definitions even > explicitly list individuals as part of it. That certainly includes us. > > Some definitions talk about three groups, the public sector, the private > sector (referring to for-profit organizations) and the "Voluntary Sector". > The latter certainly includes the formal parts of At-Large, but really > leaves individuals, who are no longer part of ANY of the sectors. > > From my perspective, that means that if we are part of the "Private > Sector", we better be explicitly listed as such. > > I would appreciate hearing how these terms are defined in other languages > and cultures. > > > The Wikipedia defines Civil Society as "aggregate of non-governmental > organizations and institutions that manifest interests and will of > citizens." Civil society includes the family and the private sphere, > referred to as the "third sector" of society, distinct from government and > business. > > The World Bank has a more detailed definition: the term civil society to > refer to the wide array of *non-governmental and not-for-profit > organizations that have a presence in public life, expressing the interests > and values of their members or others, based on ethical, cultural, > political, scientific, religious or philanthropic considerations. Civil > Society Organizations (CSOs) therefore refer to a wide of array of > organizations: community groups, non-governmental organizations (NGOs), > labor unions, indigenous groups, charitable organizations, faith-based > organizations, professional associations, and foundationsâ€.* > > In both definitions, Civil Society is listed as essentially being defines > as groups of one form or another. By those definitions, At-large and our > components parts are certainly civil society, but the individuals whose > interests we defend are not part of civil society per se. > > > Thoughts? > > Alan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrÃ³nico en > busca de virus. > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: > https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/9d931aeee2.html --]] --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Fwd: [council] FW: ICANN News Alert -- Preliminary Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures
by Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Sept. 2, 2015

Sept. 2, 2015

Dear ALAC, as you'll see below, the public comment period for the Preliminary Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures, marking the start of the process looking at the first round of new gTLD applications to prepare for a next round, has been released. There was discussion in the GNSO Council on the length of the comment period. After discussion in our last monthly conference call, I relayed the ALAC's wishes to have a long comment period closing *after* the Dublin meeting so as to allow for discussion in Dublin. This was not followed, although the next GNSO call might extend this. I shall reiterate the ALAC's wish for a longer public comment period. Kind regards, Olivier -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [council] FW: ICANN News Alert -- Preliminary Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 06:06:55 +0000 From: Steve Chan <steve.chan(a)icann.org> To: council(a)gnso.icann.org <council(a)gnso.icann.org> Dear Councilors, This message is to inform you that the Preliminary Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures has been published for public comment. The current close date is 10 October 2015, although the length of the public comment period will be a topic for discussion during the upcoming GNSO Council meeting. Best, Steve *Steven Chan* Sr. Policy Manager *ICANN *12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan(a)icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org> direct: +1.310.301.3886 mobile: +1.310.339.4410 tel: +1.310.301.5800 fax: +1.310.823.8649 From: ICANN News Alert <communications(a)icann.org <mailto:communications@icann.org>> Reply-To: ICANN News Alert <communications(a)icann.org <mailto:communications@icann.org>> Date: Monday, August 31, 2015 at 5:51 PM To: Steve Chan <steve.chan(a)icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org>> Subject: ICANN News Alert -- Preliminary Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures ICANN News Alert ICANN <http://www.icann.org/> News Alert https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-08-31-en ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Preliminary Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures 31 August 2015 *Forum Announcement:* Public Comment Period opens on *Date:* 31 August 2015 *Categories/Tags:* Policy Processes *Purpose (Brief):* This public comment proceeding is being opened to obtain community input on the Preliminary Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures. *Public Comment Box Link:* https://www.icann.org/public-comments/new-gtld-subsequent-prelim-2015-08-31… This message was sent to steve.chan(a)icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org> from: ICANN News Alert | communications(a)icann.org <mailto:communications@icann.org> | ICANN | 12025 Waterfront Drive Suite 300 | Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 Email Marketing by iContact - Try It Free! <http://www.icontact.com/a.pl/144186> Manage Your Subscription <http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=13773709&l=6333&s=6C1A&m=97…>

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Re: [ALAC] At-Large: Part of the Private Sector? Part of Civil Society?
by Carlton Samuels Sept. 2, 2015

Sept. 2, 2015

Alberto: Here you are, presumably citing Argentine law: '*In Argentina, the Law on Consumer Protection says in his article 1. This law aims to protect consumers or users. consumer is considered to the natural or legal person who acquires or uses, free of charge or for consideration, goods or services as an end in themselves or for their family or social group.* *Here and all over the world, the end user has two defenders. One for when you have problems with goods or services; and we to defend their interests within ICANN.'* It would have been so useful if this bit of scholarship was brought to bear pertaining the accusation against Lance Hinds in the latest election [in] action in LACRALO. I take it you see the Ibero-American ALS as a defender of consumer and user rights in ICANN, yes? So now, in Argentine law, consumers and users are co-defined and are recognized as both "natural and legal persons". Think how much grief we could have saved ourselves with a little demonstration of leadership? You could have saved all of us listening to the dullard's view of the world that often masquerade as informed opinion in LACRALO. That the dullard's view originated in Argentina makes me doubly sure that what transpired in that botched election was a conspiracy under colour of ignorance. -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> wrote: > Dear Alan, I did a semantic analysis, using the dictionary of the Royal > Spanish Academy. > > Public Sector: all public organizations and agencies, organizations and > companies subject to them. > > Private Sector: That is not public or state property, but belongs to > individuals. > > Society: natural grouping of people agreed that unit are different from > each of the individuals, in order to meet, through mutual cooperation, all > or any of the purposes of life. > > Civil society, private sector, citizens and society relationships and > private activities. > > In the Latin world, we have two large sectors: the public sector > (government) and the (non-governmental) Private Sector. In the latter > enters the civil society and non-governmental sectors all we know. > > This is quite consistent with the definition of the World Bank. Although I > agree that it should include the end user. > > In Argentina, the Law on Consumer Protection says in his article 1. This > law aims to protect consumers or users. consumer is considered to the > natural or legal person who acquires or uses, free of charge or for > consideration, goods or services as an end in themselves or for their > family or social group. > > Here and all over the world, the end user has two defenders. One for when > you have problems with goods or services; and we to defend their interests > within ICANN. > > But in my opinion, again, the end user must appear as such when the > components of civil society are described. > > > > Regards > > > > Alberto > > > > *De:* alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: > alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] *En nombre de *Alan Greenberg > *Enviado el:* lunes, 31 de agosto de 2015 12:59 p. m. > *Para:* ALAC <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > *Asunto:* [ALAC] At-Large: Part of the Private Sector? Part of Civil > Society? > > > > These two questions seem to be coming up regularly. The current draft > proposal of the CCWG-Accountability refers to ICANN being leg by the > "Private Sector (as opposed to the Public Sector - Governments), and > includes us in the Civil society part of the private sector. > > Looking at definitions can be useful. There are many of both terms. > > The most common definition of the Private Sector says it is everything > that is not funded or controlled by government. Many definitions even > explicitly list individuals as part of it. That certainly includes us. > > Some definitions talk about three groups, the public sector, the private > sector (referring to for-profit organizations) and the "Voluntary Sector". > The latter certainly includes the formal parts of At-Large, but really > leaves individuals, who are no longer part of ANY of the sectors. > > From my perspective, that means that if we are part of the "Private > Sector", we better be explicitly listed as such. > > I would appreciate hearing how these terms are defined in other languages > and cultures. > > > The Wikipedia defines Civil Society as "aggregate of non-governmental > organizations and institutions that manifest interests and will of > citizens." Civil society includes the family and the private sphere, > referred to as the "third sector" of society, distinct from government and > business. > > The World Bank has a more detailed definition: the term civil society to > refer to the wide array of *non-governmental and not-for-profit > organizations that have a presence in public life, expressing the interests > and values of their members or others, based on ethical, cultural, > political, scientific, religious or philanthropic considerations. Civil > Society Organizations (CSOs) therefore refer to a wide of array of > organizations: community groups, non-governmental organizations (NGOs), > labor unions, indigenous groups, charitable organizations, faith-based > organizations, professional associations, and foundations”.* > > In both definitions, Civil Society is listed as essentially being defines > as groups of one form or another. By those definitions, At-large and our > components parts are certainly civil society, but the individuals whose > interests we defend are not part of civil society per se. > > > Thoughts? > > Alan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en > busca de virus. > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: > https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… >

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Fwd: Public Comment: Preliminary Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures
by Carlton Samuels Sept. 1, 2015

Sept. 1, 2015

For those of you who care about what should happen in the event another round of gTLDs is forked by ICANN, this Preliminary Issues Report on Subsequent Procedures would be very important. It also a signal it is time for you to get engaged in this process. I have read the Executive Summary and gone straight to the details of matters that were of particular interest to me and in my estimation, the folks whose interests I advocate; developing country economies and social systems where the Internet is about social and economic development and could be our final game changer. I hope my friend and our colleague Evan Leibovitch is taking note here too. For although he has decreased his activities due to changes in his circumstances, his voice and consistent advocacy for positions that impact us still rings in my head on several of the matters raised in the Report. The domain name market remains largely the province of the dominant economies. Developing economies are still largely excluded by one or other barriers, some of them finely tuned for preference and aided and abetted, consciously and unconsciously, by ICANN policies. The Report groups the matters in five (5) broad categories which is quite useful in digesting. But speaking directly to those of us from developing economies and informed by my experience as Co-Chair of the Applicant Support Working Group in the last round, I urge you read closely the details of matters raised in: 4.2.3 - Competition, Consumer Trust and Choice 4.2.4 - Community Engagement 4.2.5 - Applicant Guide Book (AGB) 4.2.6 - Clarity of Application Process 4.2.7 - Application Accessed in Rounds 4.2.10 - Application Fees 4.2.11 - Communications 4.2.14 - Support for Applicants from Developing Countries 4.2.15 - Different TLD Types 4.2.17 - Variable Fees 4.3.5 - Registrar Discrimination 4.3.9 - Global Public Interest 4.4.5 - Community Applications You will find the report (in English) here: http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/new-gtlds/subsequent-procedures-prelim-issu… Please ensure if you have comments you record them in the areas provided by the At-Large or GNSO. -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= Dear All, This is to let you know that the Public Comment on the Preliminary Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures has now gone live: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/new-gtld-subsequent-prelim-2015-08-31… The dates of the Public Comment will be 31 August 2015 — 10 October 2015 23:59 UTC. During this period, anyone can submit comment via comments-new-gtld-subsequent-prelim-31aug15(a)icann.org. As an advisory committee of ICANN, the ALAC submits Statements on Public Comment and advises on policy matters related to the interest of Internet users worldwide. Not just limited to the 15 ALAC members, members from the wider At-Large community are welcome to draft a Statement on behalf of the ALAC. If you are interested in drafting an ALAC Statement on this Public Comment, kindly contact staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. At-Large Staff will follow up and help you understand the procedure. Additionally, the wiki workspace for developing a potential ALAC Statement is here: https://community.icann.org/x/zIdYAw. All pertinent resources for this public comment can also be found there. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> _______________________________________________

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