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IDN Liaison Report
by Hong Xue Oct. 9, 2007

Oct. 9, 2007

The final outputs of the WG are now being presented at the ALAC wiki https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?alac_statement_for_the_icann_board_requ…. The WG is heartily appreciative for all the comments and suggestions from the users' community. New comments or revisions are still welcome. The public comment period is by October 13, 2007. After synchronizing all the inputs and finalizing the report, the WG will seek the approval of the ALAC for its submission to the Board at LA meeting.

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Re: [At-Large] APRALO Budget
by Nick Ashton-Hart Oct. 9, 2007

Oct. 9, 2007

Nirmol: Firstly, please be careful about sending emails to multiple lists. Your reply went to the global list, the ALAC committee (who are on the global list) and also to AP... Crossposting (and especially duplicate posting) is something that bothers many... With respect to the funding which ICANN provides for At-Large activities, the budget for that is drawn up by the staff of ICANN. We do want and ask for the input of the regions, and the ALAC, on what projects and activities should be priorities for the region and if there is any financial component and it is possible to quantify that, this is of course helpful. If regions or the ALAC wish to have budgets and get funding from other sources, that would of course be entirely up to the region. There is no budget for a specific region; ICANN doesn't budget in this way. We could, and it may make sense to do that going forward, but that hasn't been the case in the past. The largest portion of the At-Large budget is for the travel support provided to the community to attend ICANN meetings. This is sufficient to support 35 people from the community attending each ICANN International Meeting. This is made up of the ALAC (15) and the ALS representatives from the region which the given meeting is in make up the rest. If there are some meetings where less than 35 people attend, then this funding goes to a meeting where there are more people, or to other projects which the community proposes during the year - that sort of thing. As to timelines, regions and the ALAC are all free to propose ideas through December, really; I have to get serious about preparing a first draft in January. That said, having a set of priorities for work over the course of the coming year would be most helpful, and since the ALAC and the regional Secretariats are meeting in LA to do (amongst other things) just that, perhaps post-LA would be the most logical time to begin crafting a plan of activities that supports the macro-level strategy. Of course, the suggestion box is always open. I would much rather put together a budget draft that's heavily informed by the community's plans and strategy for action than to make one up on my own. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart On 8 Oct 2007, at 15:01, nirmol xxxx wrote: > Hi Raj, > > I havent heard on this myself except that I am a part of the Budget- > WG. > > In this regard I request all members to send their views on items > they intend us to consider in formulating the next Budget. > > Raj, please let me know who will be financing the budget or do we > have to undertake a study on sources of funding as well? I > understand that so far ICANN was funding the activities. > > Please also let us know the time line for the preparation of Budget. > > Nick, can you forward me the last budget and guidelines, if any, > with respect to the same prepared by ICANN or APRALO so far. > > We understand that the Budget is for the FY 2008-2009. > > John, please feel free to contact me on the above email to work on > this further. > > > > Regards, > > Nirmol > > > > > "Rajnesh D. Singh" <rajnesh(a)pacificit.org> wrote: > Hi John/Nirmol, > > Cheryl advised at the last teleconference that the ALAC budget process > is underway (or will be very soon). > > We need to get the APRALO submission finalised. Please let us know > status of your WG's work thus far, and what we need to do to get this > finalised. > > Just to revisit, APRALO will meet at: > (i) ICANN February 2008 meeting (likely to be in Delhi) > (ii) IGF 2008 (Delhi in November) > > Additionally, we need to consider presence at: > (i) APNG camp > (ii) APTLD meeting > (iii) APNIC meeting > > We also need to look at support for: > (i) APNG Camp 2008 > > > If anyone has suggestions for further meeting/event support, please > advise. > > -- > > Kind regards, > > Rajnesh D. Singh > > COO, PATARA www.patarapacific.com > Chair, ICANN Asia Pacific Regional At-Large Organisation > www.apralo.org > Chairman, Pacific Islands Chapter, Internet Society www.picisoc.org > President, IPv6 Forum Pacific Islands www.ipv6forumpacific.org > Director, Pacific Internet Technology Centre www.pacificit.org > > 310 Princes Road Tamavua Suva Fiji > Tel: +679 332 0606 Fax: +679 332 0800 > > Read my ramblings at http://singh-a-blog.blogspot.com/ > >

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GNSO Liaison Report
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 9, 2007

Oct. 9, 2007

The GNSO and sub-groups have been quite active in the last month, and there will be a Council meeting on Thursday, October 11 addressing several issues. The major one from the ALAC's perspective is the Domain tasting issue which was undertaken at our request. A working group has been looking at what next steps should be taken and a report has been made to the GNSO Council (http://www.gnso.icann.org/drafts/gnso-domain-tasting-adhoc-outcomes-report-…) My hope (and expectation) is that the Council will decide to start a Policy Development Process (PDP) to address Domain Tasting with a relatively short time-line (reporting back prior to the New Delhi meeting in February 2008). In late September, ICANN Staff on a Draft IGO Domain Name Dispute Resolution Procedure (IGO = International Governmental Organizations) - http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/gnso-igo-drp-report-v2-28sep07.pdf. This is primarily aimed at how to handle disputed related related to new gTLDs which will be approved over the next years. For background on the IGO issue, see http://www.gnso.icann.org/issues/igo-names/issues-report-igo-drp-15jun07.pdf. In September the GNOS decided to form a short-term planning group to analyse and prioritize the policy issues raised in the report "Communication to GNSO on Policy Issues Arising from Transfer Review" before the Council further considers a PDP on any of the work discussed in the report. Council will decide how to proceed. For background on this, see the GNSO Review of Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy section of http://www.icann.org/transfers/. Since this is an issue relevant to domain registrants, and particularly to individual users, it will bear careful watching. Note that working group predates the RegisterFly problems. Alan

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ICANN-provided travel support for Liaisons to ACs, SOs, etc.
by Nick Ashton-Hart Oct. 8, 2007

Oct. 8, 2007

Dear All: As many of you know, several of the ALAC Liaisons to to other Advisory Committees and Bodies of ICANN do not require that the person chosen be a current member of the At-Large Advisory Committee. Since 'tis the season for selecting liaisons for the coming year, and since there are likely members of the community who may not be familiar with these matters, I thought I should send out a brief note. In the past, there have been serving liaisons - Bret Fausett, to the GNSO, and currently Hong Xue, for all IDN matters - who have been in this situation. ICANN has provided travel support for them to attend the face-to-face meetings necessary in order to be effective liaisons for the At-Large community, though there has never been any "official" policy related to this. Why is this, you might ask? Simply that ICANN wants the community to be able to appoint the best candidates to important liaison positions such as these. If there are members of the community who believe they have something to offer by volunteering for one of these posts, we would not want them to be discouraged simply because they cannot personally afford to pay to attend the ICANN meetings, and sometimes intercessional meetings, that their liaision brief would require. It should be emphasised that we have to look at these things on a case-by-case basis to at least some degree. We would expect, for example, that a person who was from outside the ALAC who wishes to serve in a liaison capacity which would require funding from ICANN to support would be someone who, for example: * Is clearly knowledgeable about the area they propose to be a liaison to - which would include having worked on the issues related to their proposed liaison role as a member of the At-Large community in an active way preceding their possible appointment; * Knows the people in the ICANN body to which they would be a liaison, preferably with relationships already in place with at least some of the main players; * Will commit to the time required to be effective in their new role - which would include measuring up to the standards required of liaisons in the ALAC's Rules of Procedure, reporting regularly to the community, working actively on At-Large policy working groups that relate to their liaison role or the body they are a liaison to, and the like; * Has been a part of the At-Large community and a participant in their RALO's work in a meaningful way (meaningful to their RALO at least, and hopefully meaningful to the whole of the community). I hope everyone understands that the above isn't meant to be carefully scrutinised as a precise criteria or anything like that, but rather to give a sense of what kind of person would be appropriate for receiving travel support for being a liaison - in some cases quite considerable funding. After all, the funds which are used to send a liaison to the necessary meetings and the like are coming from funds which would otherwise be spent on other members of the community - I feel sure that you all would want to feel that if such an appointment were made, that the person in the liaison role would be felt by the community to be providing 'value for money' to the whole community (to use a UK expression). As always, please feel free to ask questions. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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At-Large Advisory Committee Monthly Teleconference /AGENDA REMINDER
by Nick Ashton-Hart Oct. 8, 2007

Oct. 8, 2007

Dear Members: Below please find the current status of the details associated with this month's teleconference. Members are reminded that it has been requested by colleagues that agendas not be revised less than 24 hours in advance of teleconferences. Note that Verizon will be used as the conference call provider, with the same access codes and dialin numbers, as the conference call provider that we are testing as a potential successor to Verizon has some issues to resolve before the staff feel comfortable with their managing the ALAC teleconferences (which are, due to the simultaneous interpretation requirements, the most technically complex of all ICANN teleconferences). The URL for the below can be found at: https://st.icann.org/alac/ index.cgi?9_october_2007 ALAC Monthly Teleconference for October 2007 Date: 9 October 2007 Time: 1330 UTC (for the time in various timezones click here) Summary Minutes: Meeting Summary 9 October 2007 Action Items: Action Items 9 October 2007 Transcription: Recording: 24 Hours after the meeting A G E N D A Agenda is in draft form until adopted by the Committee. Documents are linked for download next to the agenda items they belong to where available. Members are requested to refrain from inserting explanatory text next to the agenda item in the interests of readability. If you could simply create a new page and insert the link to that page next to the item in question, that would be most helpful Standing Agenda Items Adoption of the Agenda – 1 min Roll Call Apologies from Members (if any) - 1 min Adoption of the Minutes of the Previous Meeting - 2 mins Review of Action Items of the Previous Meeting - 5 mins Membership Matters Voting on NomCom Nominations Regional Activities In the interests of time, Members are requested to add any particular items relating to regional activities for which ALAC action is needed to the 'New Business' section of the agenda. Other matters of regions should be discussed on-list intercessionally. Liaison & Other Reports In the interests of time, Members are reminded of the Committee's resolution to converse on the reports of liaisons, Chair, and Staff online. IDN Report at IDN Policy Formation Policy Matters _Members are reminded to take note of the open public consultations. Please see http://www.icann.org/public_comment/ for the current list_ New gTLDS IDNs: ALAC Statement for the ICANN Board Request for Responses RAA Review WHOIS Services IPv4 - IPv6 Migration Non-Standing Agenda Items Other Matters From Previous Meetings Working Practices of the Committee Division of Labour / Subcommittees (from 28 June 2007 meeting) 9 October 2007 - Working Practices ALAC Rules of Procedure (ROP) way forward. Outreach & Related Activities LA ICANN meeting In the interests of time, Members are requested to review the agendas for the LA meetings in advance of the teleconference and confine comments to those which cannot be readily made via electronic mail New Business Introduction of New NomCom Appointees Officer and Liaison Elections Remote Participation Details Please join MR NICK ASHTON HART on OCT-09-2007 (Tuesday) at 01:30 PM UNIVERSAL TIME. CALL DATE: Oct-09-2007 (Tuesday) CALL TIME: 01:30 PM UNIVERSAL TIME DURATION: 1 hr PASSCODE: 7968438 LEADER: MR NICK ASHTON HART DIAL-IN NUMBERS: Country Toll Numbers Freephone/ Toll Free Number AUSTRALIA 61-2-8211-1396 1-800-758-196 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-80-003 0800-677-861 BELGIUM 32-1-150-0312 0800-4-9471 BRAZIL 0800-8912026 CHILE 1230-020-2453 CHINA* 10800-712-1202 10800-120-1202 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156439 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-16 DENMARK 45-7014-0239 8088-2100 FINLAND 358-106-33-149 0-800-1-12771 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-76 080-563-9909 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-76 080-563-9909 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-75-25-35 080-563-9909 GERMANY 49-69-2222-3198 0800-101-6627 GREECE 30-80-1-100-0674 00800-12-6609 HONG KONG 852-2286-5642 800-968-764 HUNGARY 06-800-17241 INDIA 000-800-852-1218 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3502 IRELAND 353-1-247-5274 1800-992-870 ISRAEL 1-80-9303035 ITALY 39-02-3601-0953 800-985-849 JAPAN 81-3-5539-5164 0034-800-40-0719 LUXEMBOURG 352-27-000-1351 MALAYSIA 1-800-80-8124 MEXICO 001-866-627-0579 NETHERLANDS 31-20-718-8530 0800-023-4392 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4646 0800-447-834 NORWAY 47-21-59-00-49 800-15497 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072083 POLAND 00-800-1211184 PORTUGAL 8008-12439 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-9873011 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9208 800-120-4284 SLOVAK REPUBLIC 421-2-322-422-16 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-93384 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1062 00798-14800-6326 SPAIN 34-91-414-40-78 800-098-194 SWEDEN 46-8-505-96-328 0200-897-068 SWITZERLAND 41-44-580-4210 0800-000-782 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7358 00801-137-694 THAILAND 001-800-1206-65092 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9016 0800-279-3590 UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3216 0800-279-3590 UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2116 0800-279-3590 UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7950-6551 0800-279-3590 UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1416 0800-279-3590 URUGUAY 000-413-598-3431 USA 1-210-795-1143 866-297-1588 VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-2797 *Access to your conference call will be either of the numbers listed, dependent on the participants' local telecom provider Restrictions may exist when accessing freephone/toll free numbers using a mobile telephone. PASSCODE: 7968438 -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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The ALAC seat on the .MOBI policy advisory board
by John L Oct. 7, 2007

Oct. 7, 2007

When the .MOBI domain was set up, they established a policy advisory board to give them advice on managing the domain. Along with the various industry people there's an NCUC seat currently held by Milt Mueller, a general user seat held by Vittorio, and an ALAC seat held by me. (The differnence between the ALAC seat and the user seat is pretty vague, as I recall Vittorio and I originally flipped a coin to decide who'd be which one.) The members are reappointed annually, so I'm asking the ALAC if they're willing to have me continue. The PAB is a low-intensity operation. We have a conference call every month or so, and the occasional meeting, sometimes at an ICANN meeting, sometimes not. What I've done as the ALAC rep is to add requirements to .MOBI email to include the current best practices to discourage abuse and to allow more accurate spam filtering. I have also, with less success, argued against ad-filled parked pages since for most users those are worth than useless, particularly on plans where you pay by the bit for each page you retrieve. Unless someone else has a deep interest in mobile telephony, I'd be happy to stay on for another year. Regards, John Levine, johnl(a)iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.

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What is a bottom -up process
by Robert Guerra Oct. 5, 2007

Oct. 5, 2007

There's been some discussion about bottom-up processes and how they are done both at ICANN and elsewhere. Activists, Civil Society and/or NGO's tend to have a far broader interpretation of bottom-up consultation processes. Ongoing communication, engagement and attempt at consensus is one model - imposing a process and outcome a-priori is another model. Where does ALAC stand? Does it agree with the staff position or does it instead favor those put forward by CIRA, NCUC and others ? ref: http://cira.ca/news-releases/201.html It seems to me that public statements from ICANN - both at meetings and on several lists - seem to indicate that there's a bit of a gulf between how ICANN and ALAC. But, that' just my reading of the situation. Perhaps i'm wrong .. ? Instead of getting into a debate about how things have, or not , been done in the past - let me suggest we address the issue head on at our upcoming LA ALAC meeting. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra(a)privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377

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Re: [At-Large] ALAC Positions open for nominations 2007-2008
by Guru＠ITfC Oct. 5, 2007

Oct. 5, 2007

Resending, since does not appear to have reached the list (Izumi, I had sent the mail below on 3 oct, but has not reached the list .... Is the list moderated? Would you know. Else can I request you to forward this mail to the ALAC list pls) Thanks Guru -----Original Message----- From: Guru@ITfC [mailto:guru@itforchange.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:59 PM To: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: RE: [At-Large] ALAC Positions open for nominations 2007-2008 Hi, "ALAC is responsible for considering and providing advice on the activities of ICANN, as they relate to the interests of individual Internet users". Would the interests of users all over the world be the same or even necessarily similar? Take the .xxx gtld issue. For some the issue is of censorship and how nobody should be prevented from applying and getting the gtld they want, while for others, cultural sensitivities require the prohibition of some phrases. Same logic for .abortion or .childpornography. Historically, many of these debates have been settled within national or sub-national boundaries while the internet is not so bound. Does ALAC also provide / need to provide 'users diverse perspectives' to ICANN? This thinking of some universal "expertise" or 'best person' transcending all ethnicities/origins/cultures/regions seems to smell of ethnocentrism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocentrism) Is not negotiating diverse and even conflicting interests of different groups (of users) essentially a political process? One which even subsumes definitions of 'expertise' Looking at the sets of ALAC representatives I do hope that collectively they are reasonably conversant with the needs/issues of the different constituencies comprising 'users'. That brings me to a second question - how do we define an 'internet user' - only those who are logged in today? Or do we have a broader definition? I am sure other members of this list will have valuable responses to this question. Guru -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:00 PM To: Robert Guerra Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] ALAC Positions open for nominations 2007-2008 Robert Guerra wrote: > - It seems that the chair position is rotating from one region to > another. That's not a bad idea. Perhaps we should institutionalize > that ...? Now more than ever, having the right person for the job must override political showmanship. It's one thing to encourage and welcome diversity, quite another to legislate it. And the last thing ALAC needs right now is a new formal obstacle to recruiting the best candidates. - Evan _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org

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Cross-posting: Was: [NA-Discuss] At-Large Summit update
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 4, 2007

Oct. 4, 2007

Folks, can we PLEASE stop cross posting? If I understand correctly, the NARALO list should be for things directly concerned with the NA RALO. The At-Large list is for world-wide issues. If NA people want to participate in the wider list, they should subscribe to it. Alan At 04/10/2007 02:56 PM, Michael Maranda wrote: >Though I am focussed on family matters the next month or so, and not >attending LA, I remain supportive of the Summit concept, and I dont >view the idea as "dead". The question is really whether this is a >compelling concept for us within At Large. > >I believe that we can still explore making the case of the value of >this to ICANN and beyond, > >Be well > >MM > >On 10/4/07, Ross Rader <ross(a)tucows.com> wrote: > > Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > > > > We have been recently informed by Nick that the Summit, as it is > > > presently developed as described at > > > http://www.icannwiki.org/wiki/At-Large_Global_Summit > > > http://www.icannwiki.org/wiki/ICANN_Ensemble > > > is officially dead, by decree of ICANN staff. No staff support will be > > > offered and no funding would be made available for anyone to attend. > > > > That shouldn't necessarily kill the idea. What was the total travel > > subsidy budget? It should be possible to solicit meeting sponsors to > > help cover some of these costs. As far as staff support goes, I'm > > certain that this shortfall can be made up from within the community. It > > would be really cool if ICANN helped out with this (I'd almost consider > > it part of their mandate, but that's another story) but they aren't. So > > let's make it happen anyways. > > > > I'm not 100% up on the events this far, but as far as I can see, this is > > just a plan to have an ALAC meeting at the ICANN meeting writ large. If > > they are able to accomodate the GNSO Public Forum, then they should be > > able to accomodate this on similar terms (i.e. space, staff support, etc.) > > > > -r > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ALAC mailing list > > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org > > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org > > > > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Executive Director, CTCNet Chicago Chapter >Co-Founder, Chicago Digital Access Alliance >Co-Chair, Illinois Community Technology Coalition >President, Association For Community Networking > >Support the efforts of the Chicago Digital Access Alliance: >http://www.digitalaccessalliance.org > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… >Visit the NA-RALO Wiki at https://st.icann.org/naralo/ >------

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Welcome New NomCom Appointees to the At-Large Advisory Committee
by Nick Ashton-Hart Oct. 2, 2007

Oct. 2, 2007

On behalf of the Staff, please welcome the 2008 Nominating Committee appointments to the At-Large Advisory Committee: Hue Nguyen (Vietnam - Asia) Vanda Scartezini (Brazil - Latin America and the Caribbean) Fatimata Sylla (Senegal - Africa) They replace Siavash Shahshahani (Iran - Asia), Jacqueline Morris (Trinidad & Tobago - Latin America and the Caribbean Islands), and Alice Wanjira-Munyua (Kenya - Africa) respectively. I hope you will all give them a good welcome - and extend your thanks for the service of those who are departing from the ALAC. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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