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WEBCAST JUL 22 – NARALO Post ICANN80 Readout
by Joly MacFie July 27, 2024

July 27, 2024

This is under way. Packed program. REAL TIME TEXT https://bit.ly/4cWc9PN On Monday, 22 July 2024 at 19:00-20:30 UTC the North American Regional At-Large Organization (NARALO) presents a Post ICANN80 Readout. PROGRAM Welcome & Introduction - Greg Shatan NARALO Chair Board Update - James Galvin, ICANN Org Board member ALA… Read on blog <https://isoc.live/18185/> or Reader <https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_ema…> [image: Site logo image] ISOC LIVE NOTICEBOARD <https://isoc.live> Read on blog <https://isoc.live/18185/> or Reader <https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_ema…> [image: ISOC LIVE] <http://isoc.live?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=1eec38606db9fe13c7f8424e…>On *Monday, 22 July 2024* at *19:00-20:30 UTC* the *North American Regional At-Large Organization <http://isoc.live?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=8e4a184cef85ea088c06c0bc…>* (NARALO) presents a *Post ICANN80 Readout <http://isoc.live?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=3068c78f6f794637732b257d…>* . *PROGRAM* *Welcome & Introduction - Greg Shatan* NARALO Chair *Board Update - James Galvin*, ICANN Org Board member *ALAC/At-Large sessions at ICANN80* *ALAC/At-Large Internal Meetings Overview - Greg Shatan* NARALO Chair *ALAC Joint Meeting with the GAC - Alan Greenberg*, NARALO member *At-Large Collaboration in New gTLD Program Outreach & Engagement Plan - Bob Ochieng*, ICANN org Senior Director, New gTLD Subsequent Procedures and Claire Craig, LACRALO ALAC member (15 mins) *Hot Topics at ICANN80* *New gTLD Program Next Round: Implementation Review Update - Jeff Neuman* , Founder and CEO JJN Solutions, LLC *Registration Request Service (RDRS) Update - Alan Greenberg*, NARALO member *Next Gen and DNS Women Update - Denise de Alcantara-Hochbaum*, NARALO member *Accountability: Independent Review Process Update - Greg Shatan*, NARALO Chair *ccNSO Update - Laura Margolis*, At-Large ccNSO liaison *High Level Government Meeting (HLGM) - Laurent Ferrali*, ICANN org, Government and IGO Engagement Senior Director *ALAC Joint Meeting with SSAC - Eduardo Diaz,* NARALO ALAC member *LIVESTREAM https://livestream.com/internetsociety/naralo-icann80 <http://isoc.live?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=db8df804ea837ca9203ea73e…>* *PARTICIPATE VIA ZOOM https://community.icann.org/x/MQASFQ <http://isoc.live?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=3068c78f6f794637732b257d…>* *REAL TIME TEXT https://bit.ly/4cWc9PN <http://isoc.live?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=cdac4d9e9640b7390543bad4…>* *TWITTER #NARALO #ICANN80* *MASTODON ICANN80 <http://isoc.live?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=1c3ef9a4547c1267e5c32632…>* *SIMULCASTS https://twitter.com/ISOC_Live <http://isoc.live?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=e58da969a8418cc7673ce25f…> https://www.twitch.tv/isoclive <http://isoc.live?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=61b8bc7277dcc9271551ce0e…> https://www.facebook.com/liveisoc/ <http://isoc.live?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=de963a051d5c99494ead7d04…>* *ARCHIVE https://archive.org/details/naralo-icann80 <http://isoc.live?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=eaf1c0b4722fc1ad7bc98c83…>* *** ISOC.LIVE is free community webcasting support service sponsored by the the Internet Society New York Chapter (ISOC-NY) - Big thanks to our July 2024 funder Vint Cerf *** - -- -------------------------------------- Joly MacFie +12185659365 -------------------------------------- -

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WEBCAST JUL 25 – ICANN80 Ghana Readout virtual meeting
by Joly MacFie July 25, 2024

July 25, 2024

Our second ICANN 80 report (following NARALO <https://isoc.live/18185/>) - here from an African viewpoint. Read on blog <https://isoc.live/18192/> or Reader <https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_ema…> [image: Site logo image] ISOC LIVE NOTICEBOARD <https://isoc.live/> [image: isoc.live] <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=4bcbb7c93046e0bbc4e0072…> On *Thursday, 25th July 2024*, at *18:30--20:00 UTC*, the *Ghana Domain Name Registry <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=308d742e391c378edb2308b…>* (GDNR), the *E-Governance/Internet Governance Foundation for Africa <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=526724471257956282139bc…>* (EGIGFA) , the *Association of African Universities <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=a47e19fc642b0855424f528…>* (AAU), and the *Internet Society Ghana Chapter <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=237117b7a6c47a9bb9d262e…>* (ISOC Ghana) will hold an I*CANN80 Ghana Readout virtual meeting <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=29f6f213711e762a4e5f0e7…>*, discussing insights and key takeaways from ICANN80 <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=3e5365fb4d2f6544e6d854f…> . *LIVESTREAM https://livestream.com/internetsociety/ghana-icann80 <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=6831402af1b33052f5fef10…>* *PARTICIPATE VIA ZOOM https://bit.ly/GhanaICANN80ReadOut <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=29f6f213711e762a4e5f0e7…>* *REAL TIME TEXT (see ISOC.LIVE)* *TWITTER #ICANN80 <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=338904ca04b6c44d1877d37…> @Ghanadomain @egigfa @AAU_67 @isocghana* *MASTODON #ICANN80 <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=ea6f3da600bf5c0076e23fe…>* *SIMULCASTS* *https://twitter.com/ISOC_Live <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=21920823511fec96054a65e…>* *https://www.twitch.tv/isoclive <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=2b7962efc8e1766f8f0d804…>* *https://www.facebook.com/liveisoc/ <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=3d9018117a804912e19b6b7…>* *ARCHIVE* *https://archive.org/details/ghana-icann80 <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=068e359f7ad21c02b5d07a4…>* *** ISOC.LIVE is free community webcasting support service sponsored by the the Internet Society New York Chapter (ISOC-NY) - Big thanks to our July 2024 funder Vint Cerf *** -- -------------------------------------- Joly MacFie +12185659365 -------------------------------------- - -- -------------------------------------- Joly MacFie +12185659365 -------------------------------------- -

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Re: [CPWG] REMINDER - Meeting invitation: At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group call on Wednesday, 24 July 2024 at 19:00 UTC
by Roberto Gaetano July 24, 2024

July 24, 2024

Hi all Sorry for having joined late - but the reason for my message is to acknowledge the MTS and LS initiative in running the test today. I have joined in my regular way on my default device, and joined in the interpretation mode on a different device to see the difference. IMHO the user experience was excellent. Of course, this may be just a test in a situation where most - if not all - speakers were speaking in English, maybe we need a larger test in which multiple languages are used by speakers - which I hope will be the “normal” way to run teleconferences. Kudos to staff. Looking forward to the next steps - and to more contributions in non-English language in teleconferences, to make use of the tools that ICANN is providing to improve multilingualism on the Internet. Cheers, Roberto On 24.07.2024, at 20:40, ICANN At-Large Staff via CPWG <cpwg(a)icann.org> wrote: EN - IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR FRENCH AND SPANISH INTERPRETATION FR - INFORMATIONS IMPORTANTES POUR LES PARTICIPANTS EN FRANCAIS ET ESPAGNOL ES - INFORMACIÓN IMPORTANTE PARA LOS PARTICIPANTES FRANCESES Y ESPAÑOLES Dear All, EN - IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR FRENCH AND SPANISH INTERPRETATION The Meetings Technical Services (MTS) and Languages Services (LS) Teams are running a preliminary test of the Zoom interpretation feature on community calls. As a first step, we are testing this feature on the CPWG call today * To listen to interpretation for this meeting, please join Zoom using Computer Audio. * Choose the language you will listen to from the Language Interpretation menu in the Zoom toolbar. * Participants who join via Zoom Phone Audio or Adigo Dial-Out will not have access to the interpretation for this session and will instead hear the main Zoom audio only. FR - INFORMATIONS IMPORTANTES POUR LES PARTICIPANTS EN FRANCAIS ET ESPAGNOL Les équipes des services techniques des reunions (MTS) et des services linquistiques (LS) effectuent un test préliminaire de la function di’interpretation Zoom sur les appels communautaires. Dans un premier temps, nous testons cette fonctionalité lors de l’appel CPWG aujourd’hui (c’est la meme fonction que pendant les reunion publiques de l’ICANN) * Pour écouter l’interprétation de cette reunion, veuillez rejoindre Zoom en utilisant l’audio ordinateur/tablette/telephone portable. Choisissez la langue que vous écouterez dans le menu “Interprétation” linquistique de la barre d’outils Zoom. Les participants qui rejoignent via ADIGO dial-out n’auront pas accès à l’interprétation de cette session et entendront uniquement l’audio principal de zoom (en Anglais) ES - INFORMACIÓN IMPORTANTE PARA LOS PARTICIPANTES FRANCESES Y ESPAÑOLES Los equipos de Servicios Técnicos de Reuniones (MTS) y Servicios de Idiomas (LS) estám realizando una prueba preliminar de la función de interpretatción de Zoom en llamadas comunitarias. Como primer paso, estamos probando esta función en la convocatoria del CPWG de hoy. Esta es la misma función que durante las reuniones públicas de l’ICANN) * Para escuchar la interpretación para esta reunión, únase a Zoom mediante Computer Audio * Elija el idioma que escucharà en el menu Interpretación de idiomas en la barra de herramientas de Zoom * Lost participantes que se unan a través de Zoom phone audio o Adigo dial-out, no tendrán acceso a la interpretación para esta session y, en su lugar, escucharán únicamente el audio principal de Zoom Dear All, The next At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call is scheduled for Wednesday, 24 July 2024 at 19:00 UTC for 90 mins, For other times: https://tinyurl.com/57wne37s [tinyurl.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tinyurl.com/57wne37s__;!!PtGJab4!5FH3Ni…> The agenda and call details can be found at: https://community.icann.org/x/ToBsFQ Zoom Room: https://icann.zoom.us/j/765717566?pwd=UTJCdWRSZVdJNEhOYW02OVBqQVQ1Zz09 [icann.zoom.us]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://icann.zoom.us/j/765717566?pwd=UTJCdWRSZ…> / Passcode: #CPWG2345* ZOOM WITH INTEGRATED INTERPRETATION (same as ICANN Public Meetings). Please note that to join French and Spanish interpretation, you need to join Zoom. ALL dial-outs by the operator will be for the English channel only. Real time transcription (RTT) available at (subject to availability): https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN__…> At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Wiki Space: https://community.icann.org/x/jYDpB If you have any questions, please contact At-Large staff at: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Thank you. 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Re: [Internet Policy] Re: Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure?
by Christopher Hawker July 24, 2024

July 24, 2024

For correction, I did not ask that question. I quoted David Sarokin’s email in my reply. Please do read thoroughly to avoid misquoting someone. To my knowledge, Microsoft Defender played no part in this outage so I'm not sure why it's being raised. Windows acted as it was supposed to, detected a security issue and crashed to prevent potential damage. The issue isn't with the OS here, it's with the third-party application. Crowdstrike also released a known working workaround to get systems back online so there is no need to restart "as much as 15 times" to restore systems. This workaround had been (to my knowledge) communicated to all of their clients. Regards, Christopher Hawker ________________________________ From: ADEGBOYEGA OYESANYA <aaoyesanya(a)live.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2024 7:56 AM To: philip virgo via InternetPolicy <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org>; Christopher Hawker <chris(a)thesysadmin.au>; David Sarokin <sarokin(a)gmail.com>; philip virgo <virgo.philip(a)outlook.com> Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele(a)blacknight.com>; Antony Van Couvering <avc(a)avc.vc>; At-Large Worldwide <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] [At-Large] Re: Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure? According to Chris Hawker, "How about designing Windows so that an inadvertent call to a null-value address leads to some result *other than* a BSOD. A simple error message would suffice. Is that doable?" Answer: Microsoft Operating Systems are equipped with Microsoft Defender built in Microsoft Security, once activated it acts as, antivirus, malware detector/notifier/blocker, spyware detector etc..etc it notifies you about malwares and malicious programs that can cause harm to you computer, it notifies and protects you and your computer from various suspicious attacks on the internet and on your intranet. System Administrators and individuals use this features and other firewalls to protect systems and deny unauthorized access to Microsoft Operating Systems. Other antivirus products and programs are also used. That is why I said initially and I repeat again, this global "BSOD" outage needs critical and strategic analysis. We really need to actually identify the cause, it will help us in future. THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS WORLDWIDE TECHNICAL ISSUE. Which error or bug in the Crowdstrike program caused it? On which system did it start? Which country/ state/city? What time? Our solution to this problem right now is restarting, (Microsoft Corporation recommends restarting as much as 15 times, rebooting systems and troubleshooting "This Works"). Luckily we have amazing Systems Administrators and Technology personnel worldwide doing a wonderful job restoring systems. Adegboyega Oyesanya President ComputerLab Incorporation ________________________________ From: InternetPolicy <internetpolicy-bounces(a)elists.isoc.org> on behalf of philip virgo via InternetPolicy <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2024 3:56 AM To: Christopher Hawker <chris(a)thesysadmin.au>; David Sarokin <sarokin(a)gmail.com> Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele(a)blacknight.com>; Sivasubramanian M via InternetPolicy <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org>; Antony Van Couvering <avc(a)avc.vc>; At-Large Worldwide <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] [At-Large] Re: Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure? Would it be acceptable to include this e-mail trail (edited to remove personal e-mail addresses and other identifying information) as an appendix to a blog on the theme “When a digital butterfly flaps it wings” for a political audience. I will also be seeking peer reviewers for a succinct set of draft high level, non-technical recommendations and to be able to refer credible professional/technical recommendations. P.S. I have been bemused since I joined ISOC in 1995 by the apparently widespread acceptance of coding practices which were a firing offence when I was trainee programmer/analyst in 1968/9 …. e.g. unclosed loops and decision points which do not lead to failsafe and relatively easy recovery … akin to those built in to cater to for restarts in the middle of a task because of hardware/comms failure. I naively expected the issues to be addressed during the widespread audits that took place during the run up to Y2K but …. I still like the definition of the IETF as “a relay team trying to keep one lap ahead of disaster”. From: InternetPolicy <internetpolicy-bounces(a)elists.isoc.org> On Behalf Of Christopher Hawker via InternetPolicy Sent: Monday, July 22, 2024 2:10 PM To: David Sarokin <sarokin(a)gmail.com> Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele(a)blacknight.com>; Sivasubramanian M via InternetPolicy <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org>; Antony Van Couvering <avc(a)avc.vc>; At-Large Worldwide <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] [At-Large] Re: Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure? Hi David, [Note: I got some information wrong. It wasn't trying to access 0x0, rather it was trying to access "NULL + 0x9c = 0x9c" which is an invalid region in memory. The end result is the same, in that the application was accessing an invalid memory region.] Your suggestion of a fix puts the responsibility on the upstream software providers. Yes, because IMO it's the responsibility of the software vendors (Crowdstrike in this case) to ensure their application has been tested for compatibility with Windows, or any other OS on which their applications run. I wonder if there's a downstream option as well. How about designing Windows so that an inadvertent call to a null-value address leads to some result *other than* a BSOD ... How about designing Windows so that an inadvertent call to a null-value address leads to some result *other than* a BSOD. A simple error message would suffice. Is that doable? Windows crashing and throwing a BSOD is by design - if an application attempts to access an invalid memory region, it treats this as a security threat and intentionally crashes to mitigate any potential security issue (because an application shouldn't be trying to access an invalid memory region in the first place). where/how did you learn of the technical details of the crash? There's plenty online. Hint: search for "Crowdstrike null pointer". Normally, any reasonable developer would implement checks to prevent this. Regards, Christopher Hawker ________________________________ From: David Sarokin <sarokin(a)gmail.com<mailto:sarokin@gmail.com>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2024 10:18 PM To: Christopher Hawker <chris(a)thesysadmin.au<mailto:chris@thesysadmin.au>> Cc: ADEGBOYEGA OYESANYA <aaoyesanya(a)live.com<mailto:aaoyesanya@live.com>>; Sivasubramanian M <6.internet(a)gmail.com<mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>>; Sivasubramanian M via InternetPolicy <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org<mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org>>; Antony Van Couvering <avc(a)avc.vc<mailto:avc@avc.vc>>; Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele(a)blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>; At-Large Worldwide <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] [At-Large] Re: Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure? Christopher Hawker wrote: A simple solution to this issue would have been to implement a check for null values. If it detects null then do this, otherwise do that. It's a very easy fix. Thanks for that explanation...I was wondering what the actual problem was. Your suggestion of a fix puts the responsibility on the upstream software providers. I wonder if there's a downstream option as well. How about designing Windows so that an inadvertent call to a null-value address leads to some result *other than* a BSOD. A simple error message would suffice. Is that doable? Also, where/how did you learn of the technical details of the crash? I had been looking for that sort of info, but didn't see any obvious source in the news articles I scanned. Thanks again... On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 1:07 AM Christopher Hawker via InternetPolicy <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org<mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org>> wrote: So to me a global blue screen requires more critical research as to what caused it? and why it happened on multiple systems? at the same time? It was a null pointer in the C++ programming language that caused this crash. Address 0x0 represents no value (aka a null value). The Falcon application attempted to access this address for a value and because no value existed, it caused the crash. A simple solution to this issue would have been to implement a check for null values. If it detects null then do this, otherwise do that. It's a very easy fix. I find it hard to believe that 1 program can cause the blue screen to occur on multiple systems on the internet at the same time. It's actually very possible - all it takes is for one person to push an update with bad code and for companies to automatically accept these updates without testing. We are far too trusting of the applications that can access our devices and networks. Regards, Christopher Hawker ________________________________ From: InternetPolicy <internetpolicy-bounces(a)elists.isoc.org<mailto:internetpolicy-bounces@elists.isoc.org>> on behalf of Sivasubramanian M via InternetPolicy <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org<mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2024 2:56 PM To: ADEGBOYEGA OYESANYA <aaoyesanya(a)live.com<mailto:aaoyesanya@live.com>> Cc: Sivasubramanian M via InternetPolicy <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org<mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org>>; Antony Van Couvering <avc(a)avc.vc<mailto:avc@avc.vc>>; Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele(a)blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>; At-Large Worldwide <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] [At-Large] Re: Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure? On Sun, 21 Jul, 2024, 03:50 ADEGBOYEGA OYESANYA, <aaoyesanya(a)live.com<mailto:aaoyesanya@live.com>> wrote: Let us critically examine and explain the error message got on systems affected during the outage. We all know it is not an Internet Down situation. This is a System down situation affecting multiple systems at the same time. When we troubleshoot crashed systems, the reason for system crash defers, it varies. To me this is beyond Crowdstrike and we need to do more research into it. The blue screen of death means the system has crashed. The Operating System that controls all other applications and all other applications no longer works. In this case you have to manually reboot and troubleshoot, it could be caused by, power failure, power fluctuations, power surge, hardware failure or operating system failure, If 1 application "Crowstrike" has issues, the operating system will still run, but the crowstrike program will not launch and (if it needs an update you will get an alert/notification) I find it hard to believe that 1 program can cause the blue screen to occur on multiple systems on the internet at the same time, each system has its own level of protection, and if multiple corporations use Crowstrike an update/update will be done at different times. Having worked on Microsoft Operating Systems for a long time, I know that the systems are reliable, dependable, effective, efficient and rugged. So to me a global blue screen requires more critical research as to what caused it? and why it happened on multiple systems? at the same time? Yes, more critical research is needed on what caused the crowdstrike Microsoft issue; and definitely far more research needed on the machines and systems we built since James Watt invented the steam engine whether or not this falls within the mandate of the Internet Policy team and/or within ICANN's remit. Best regards, Adegboyega Oyesanya President ComputerLab Incorporation ________________________________ From: InternetPolicy <internetpolicy-bounces(a)elists.isoc.org<mailto:internetpolicy-bounces@elists.isoc.org>> on behalf of Sivasubramanian M via InternetPolicy <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org<mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org>> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2024 9:09 AM To: Antony Van Couvering <avc(a)avc.vc<mailto:avc@avc.vc>> Cc: internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org<mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org> <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org<mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org>>; Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele(a)blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>; at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] [At-Large] Re: Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure? "This was not an Internet outage or shutdown. There was no loss of connectivity. The networks all continued to work. Data continued to flow" Correct. Due to this rationale, it is not an Internet problem? It is an Internet problem, and more than an Internet problem - a Technology problem. If this were the pre-Internet early 1970s with computers on the airplanes and airports running today's Microsoft O/S secured by Crowdstrike, not all computers would have been almost simultaneously been updated, and this wouldn't have been a problem of massive geographical scale. As Dan and Olaf acknowleges, "deploying software on Internet scale, in particular updates, can cause issues on a massive scale"; Also the "inter-reliance of systems and services" came to us bundled with the Internet. If our world is a world of "complex, interconnected systems", we have been careless about adopting and implementing these technologies, especially the Internet technologies. On the cloud, the crowdstike update could be done remotely, but the fix requires physical access - to one computer or another in a sequence ??? And, why does Security invariably brings about a Security issue of a totally different kind, especially on the Internet? Apart from diversity and redundancy (not merely five operating systems on a A 380, five different hardware architectures, alternating between analog and digital, five different communication systems from five different vendors across technogies, with a capacity to shut everything out and put the hands on the controls), we need something else - what I would call "backward functionality" as distinct from backward compatibility between versions of software or hardware. If the computer on the airplane wired to the "fly by wire" doesn't work, God forbid, mid-air, does the airplane's controls fall back to the foot pedal and mechanical levers and are there enough of these mechanical components left for the pilot to flip a switch here, flip a switch there, rotate a wheel with his foot doing something else and a copilot operating a few cables and a radio? Does the airline or the hotel have paper and ink on the table to write down the name of the passenger or guest and put them on the plane? Are there flip switches to the lights on the runway or on the traffic lights on the street? (This is very, very, very pertinent to the "Internet" issue raised here: "On July 14, 2013, India shut its state-run telegram service" Why? Because we have computers and the Internet? Sivasubramanian M [Sent by a Verified sender]<https://wallet.unumid.co/authenticate?referralCode=YQmHX1HBGdde> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 5:16 PM Antony Van Couvering via At-Large <at-large(a)icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> wrote: Insofar as whereinso exists hereinbelow, whosoever as as may have spoken to whomsoever listens now explains that as wherasheretobefore Microsoft gained lots of market share, now asne’ertillnow we as noone everhereinbefore blame them throughoutaround and thoroughly forevermore so they should pay the damages notusnoteverus. On Jul 19, 2024, at 15:36, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via At-Large <at-large(a)icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> wrote: Which still doesn’t answer the question asked Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Hosting & Domains https://www.blacknight.com<https://www.blacknight.com/> @mneylon Sent from mobile so typos and brevity are normal On 19 Jul 2024, at 22:51, Cody Tippie <cody.tippie(a)outlook.com<mailto:cody.tippie@outlook.com>> wrote: [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. Michele Neylon, Incidence relational to Crowdstrike runs concurrent with examination as to that of Cyberespionage or simply to oligarchic competitioning. Crowdstrike was ranked first by that of the Gartner, seconded to Microsoft and to similar basis of relation to that of Forester Wave Cloud Workload Security Q1 2024. Wheresoin Microsoft has been steadily gaining with regard to that of Platform security technologies therein to the overtaking or ousting of capabilities typically offered by a diveristy of otherwise service providers and competitors; leveraging any such security therein directly integrated or built into such stated Technology providers platform. With any such outages occurring across that of the Security provider Crowdstrike itself; such forces firms to therein migrate to otherwise service providers; or to that of platform hosted services which can offer similar and integrated reliability and services that therein outcompete basis as to that of which smaller firms solutions and security providers provide. Per the WEF Global Risk Report 2024; consolidation of technological power was a merging basis of concern with relation to that of certain strata in or across society. https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-risks-report-2024/ [https://www.weforum.org/weforum.jpg]<https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-risks-report-2024/> Global Risks Report 2024 | World Economic Forum<https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-risks-report-2024/> The Global Risks Report 2024 from the World Economic Forum explores some of the most severe risks we may face over the next decade. Read the report to learn more. www.weforum.org<http://www.weforum.org/> Best Regards, Cody Ryan Tippie ________________________________ From: InternetPolicy <internetpolicy-bounces(a)elists.isoc.org<mailto:internetpolicy-bounces@elists.isoc.org>> on behalf of Michele Neylon - Blacknight via InternetPolicy <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org<mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org>> Sent: Friday 19 July 2024 16:44 To: Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano(a)hotmail.com<mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com>> Cc: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan(a)unam.mx<mailto:apisan@unam.mx>>; At Large <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; InternetPolicy(a)elists.isoc.org<mailto:InternetPolicy@elists.isoc.org> <InternetPolicy(a)elists.isoc.org<mailto:InternetPolicy@elists.isoc.org>> Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] [At-Large] Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure? Insurance maybe? I doubt that CrowdStrike or anyone else will accept liability Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Hosting & Domains https://www.blacknight.com<https://www.blacknight.com/> @mneylon Sent from mobile so typos and brevity are normal On 19 Jul 2024, at 21:42, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano(a)hotmail.com<mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com>> wrote: [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. <off topic> Any idea on who is going to pay for the damages? Cheers, R. On 19.07.2024, at 22:16, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via At-Large <at-large(a)icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> wrote: Yeah Software NOT internet related at all Those of us who don’t use that company’s products weren’t impacted at all Though I am glad I wasn’t flying with Ryanair today! Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Hosting & Domains https://www.blacknight.com<https://www.blacknight.com/> @mneylon Sent from mobile so typos and brevity are normal On 19 Jul 2024, at 20:18, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch via At-Large <at-large(a)icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> wrote: [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. Amazingly it still takes some effort to know what is and what is not an Internet issue. Better read this brief, clear text from ISOC, by Olaf Kolkmann and Dan York: https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2024/07/global-tech-outage-demonstrate… Alejandro Pisanty [https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/outage-ATM-scree…]<https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2024/07/global-tech-outage-demonstrate…> Global Tech Outage Demonstrates Need for Resiliency in Software Systems - Internet Society<https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2024/07/global-tech-outage-demonstrate…> www.internetsociety.org<http://www.internetsociety.org/> Today's global outage of many systems was not an Internet outage, but it demonstrates the need for greater resilience in all our technical systems. ________________________________ De: Sivasubramanian M via At-Large <at-large(a)icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> Enviado: viernes, 19 de julio de 2024 05:59 a. m. Para: at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org<mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org> Asunto: [At-Large] Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure? 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Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure?
by Sivasubramanian M July 22, 2024

July 22, 2024

"it is a very, very uncomfortable illustration of the fragility of the world's core Internet infrastructure" said Ciaran Martin, Professor of Oxford's Blavatnik School of Government and former head of UK national cyber security center...

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Re: [Internet Policy] Re: Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure?
by Sivasubramanian M July 22, 2024

July 22, 2024

On Sun, 21 Jul, 2024, 03:50 ADEGBOYEGA OYESANYA, <aaoyesanya(a)live.com> wrote: > Let us critically examine and explain the error message got on systems > affected during the outage. We all know it is not an Internet Down > situation. This is a System down situation affecting multiple systems at > the same time. When we troubleshoot crashed systems, the reason for system > crash defers, it varies. To me this is beyond Crowdstrike and we need to do > more research into it. The blue screen of death means the system has > crashed. The Operating System that controls all other applications and all > other applications no longer works. In this case you have to manually > reboot and troubleshoot, it could be caused by, power failure, power > fluctuations, power surge, hardware failure or operating system failure, If > 1 application "Crowstrike" has issues, the operating system will still run, > but the crowstrike program will not launch and (if it needs an update you > will get an alert/notification) I find it hard to believe that 1 program > can cause the blue screen to occur on multiple systems on the internet at > the same time, each system has its own level of protection, and if multiple > corporations use Crowstrike an update/update will be done at different > times. Having worked on Microsoft Operating Systems for a long time, I know > that the systems are reliable, dependable, effective, efficient and rugged. > So to me a global blue screen requires more critical research as to what > caused it? and why it happened on multiple systems? at the same time? > Yes, more critical research is needed on what caused the crowdstrike Microsoft issue; and definitely far more research needed on the machines and systems we built since James Watt invented the steam engine whether or not this falls within the mandate of the Internet Policy team and/or within ICANN's remit. > Best regards, > Adegboyega Oyesanya > President > ComputerLab Incorporation > ------------------------------ > *From:* InternetPolicy <internetpolicy-bounces(a)elists.isoc.org> on behalf > of Sivasubramanian M via InternetPolicy <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2024 9:09 AM > *To:* Antony Van Couvering <avc(a)avc.vc> > *Cc:* internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org>; > Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele(a)blacknight.com>; > at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Internet Policy] [At-Large] Re: Fragility of the World's > Internet Infrastructure? > > "This was not an Internet outage or shutdown. There was no loss of > connectivity. The networks all continued to work. Data continued to flow" > Correct. Due to this rationale, it is not an Internet problem? It is an > Internet problem, and more than an Internet problem - a Technology problem. > If this were the pre-Internet early 1970s with computers on the airplanes > and airports running today's Microsoft O/S secured by Crowdstrike, not all > computers would have been almost simultaneously been updated, and this > wouldn't have been a problem of massive geographical scale. As Dan and Olaf > acknowleges, "deploying software on Internet scale, in particular updates, > can cause issues on a massive scale"; Also the "inter-reliance of systems > and services" came to us bundled with the Internet. If our world is a > world of "complex, interconnected systems", we have been careless about > adopting and implementing these technologies, especially the Internet > technologies. On the cloud, the crowdstike update could be done remotely, > but the fix requires physical access - to one computer or another in a > sequence ??? And, why does Security invariably brings about a Security > issue of a totally different kind, especially on the Internet? > > Apart from diversity and redundancy (not merely five operating systems on > a A 380, five different hardware architectures, alternating between analog > and digital, five different communication systems from five different > vendors across technogies, with a capacity to shut everything out and put > the hands on the controls), we need something else - what I would call > "backward functionality" as distinct from backward compatibility between > versions of software or hardware. If the computer on the airplane wired to > the "fly by wire" doesn't work, God forbid, mid-air, does the airplane's > controls fall back to the foot pedal and mechanical levers and are there > enough of these mechanical components left for the pilot to flip a switch > here, flip a switch there, rotate a wheel with his foot doing something > else and a copilot operating a few cables and a radio? Does the airline or > the hotel have paper and ink on the table to write down the name of the > passenger or guest and put them on the plane? Are there flip switches to > the lights on the runway or on the traffic lights on the street? > > (This is very, very, very pertinent to the "Internet" issue raised here: > "On July 14, 2013, India shut its state-run telegram service" Why? > Because we have computers and the Internet? > > Sivasubramanian M > > > Sent by a Verified > [image: Sent by a Verified sender] > <https://wallet.unumid.co/authenticate?referralCode=YQmHX1HBGdde> > sender > > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 5:16 PM Antony Van Couvering via At-Large < > at-large(a)icann.org> wrote: > > Insofar as whereinso exists hereinbelow, whosoever as as may have spoken > to whomsoever listens now explains that as wherasheretobefore Microsoft > gained lots of market share, now asne’ertillnow we as noone > everhereinbefore blame them throughoutaround and thoroughly forevermore so > they should pay the damages notusnoteverus. > > On Jul 19, 2024, at 15:36, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via At-Large < > at-large(a)icann.org> wrote: > > Which still doesn’t answer the question asked > > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Hosting & Domains > https://www.blacknight.com > @mneylon > Sent from mobile so typos and brevity are normal > > On 19 Jul 2024, at 22:51, Cody Tippie <cody.tippie(a)outlook.com> wrote: > > > > *[EXTERNAL EMAIL]* Please use caution when opening attachments from > unrecognised sources. > Michele Neylon, > > Incidence relational to Crowdstrike runs concurrent with examination as to > that of Cyberespionage or simply to oligarchic competitioning. Crowdstrike > was ranked first by that of the Gartner, seconded to Microsoft and to > similar basis of relation to that of Forester Wave Cloud Workload Security > Q1 2024. Wheresoin Microsoft has been steadily gaining with regard to that > of Platform security technologies therein to the overtaking or ousting of > capabilities typically offered by a diveristy of otherwise service > providers and competitors; leveraging any such security therein directly > integrated or built into such stated Technology providers platform. > > With any such outages occurring across that of the Security provider > Crowdstrike itself; such forces firms to therein migrate to otherwise > service providers; or to that of platform hosted services which can offer > similar and integrated reliability and services that therein outcompete > basis as to that of which smaller firms solutions and security providers > provide. > > Per the WEF Global Risk Report 2024; consolidation of technological power > was a merging basis of concern with relation to that of certain strata in > or across society. > > https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-risks-report-2024/ > <https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-risks-report-2024/> > Global Risks Report 2024 | World Economic Forum > <https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-risks-report-2024/> > The Global Risks Report 2024 from the World Economic Forum explores some > of the most severe risks we may face over the next decade. Read the report > to learn more. > www.weforum.org > > > > Best Regards, > Cody Ryan Tippie > ------------------------------ > *From:* InternetPolicy <internetpolicy-bounces(a)elists.isoc.org> on behalf > of Michele Neylon - Blacknight via InternetPolicy < > internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org> > *Sent:* Friday 19 July 2024 16:44 > *To:* Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano(a)hotmail.com> > *Cc:* Alejandro Pisanty <apisan(a)unam.mx>; At Large < > at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>; InternetPolicy(a)elists.isoc.org < > InternetPolicy(a)elists.isoc.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Internet Policy] [At-Large] Fragility of the World's > Internet Infrastructure? > > Insurance maybe? > I doubt that CrowdStrike or anyone else will accept liability > > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Hosting & Domains > https://www.blacknight.com > @mneylon > Sent from mobile so typos and brevity are normal > > On 19 Jul 2024, at 21:42, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > *[EXTERNAL EMAIL]* Please use caution when opening attachments from > unrecognised sources. > <off topic> > > Any idea on who is going to pay for the damages? > Cheers, > R. > > > > On 19.07.2024, at 22:16, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via At-Large < > at-large(a)icann.org> wrote: > > Yeah > Software NOT internet related at all > Those of us who don’t use that company’s products weren’t impacted at all > Though I am glad I wasn’t flying with Ryanair today! > > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Hosting & Domains > https://www.blacknight.com > @mneylon > Sent from mobile so typos and brevity are normal > > On 19 Jul 2024, at 20:18, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch via At-Large < > at-large(a)icann.org> wrote: > > > > *[EXTERNAL EMAIL]* Please use caution when opening attachments from > unrecognised sources. > > Amazingly it still takes some effort to know what is and what is not an > Internet issue. Better read this brief, clear text from ISOC, by Olaf > Kolkmann and Dan York: > > > > https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2024/07/global-tech-outage-demonstrate… > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > <https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2024/07/global-tech-outage-demonstrate…> > Global Tech Outage Demonstrates Need for Resiliency in Software Systems - > Internet Society > <https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2024/07/global-tech-outage-demonstrate…> > www.internetsociety.org > Today's global outage of many systems was not an Internet outage, but it > demonstrates the need for greater resilience in all our technical systems. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *De:* Sivasubramanian M via At-Large <at-large(a)icann.org> > *Enviado:* viernes, 19 de julio de 2024 05:59 a. m. > *Para:* at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org > *Asunto:* [At-Large] Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure? > > "it is a very, very uncomfortable illustration of the fragility of the > world's core Internet infrastructure" said Ciaran Martin, Professor of > Oxford's Blavatnik School of Government and former head of UK national > cyber security center... > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list -- at-large(a)icann.org > To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave(a)icann.org > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your > personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance > with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and > the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You can > visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or > configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or > disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list -- at-large(a)icann.org > To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave(a)icann.org > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your > personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance > with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and > the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You can > visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or > configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or > disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. > > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list -- at-large(a)icann.org > To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave(a)icann.org > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your > personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance > with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and > the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You can > visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or > configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or > disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list -- at-large(a)icann.org > To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave(a)icann.org > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your > personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance > with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and > the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You can > visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or > configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or > disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. > >

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Re: Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure?
by Michele Neylon - Blacknight July 20, 2024

July 20, 2024

Which still doesn’t answer the question asked Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Hosting & Domains https://www.blacknight.com @mneylon Sent from mobile so typos and brevity are normal On 19 Jul 2024, at 22:51, Cody Tippie <cody.tippie(a)outlook.com> wrote: [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. Michele Neylon, Incidence relational to Crowdstrike runs concurrent with examination as to that of Cyberespionage or simply to oligarchic competitioning. Crowdstrike was ranked first by that of the Gartner, seconded to Microsoft and to similar basis of relation to that of Forester Wave Cloud Workload Security Q1 2024. Wheresoin Microsoft has been steadily gaining with regard to that of Platform security technologies therein to the overtaking or ousting of capabilities typically offered by a diveristy of otherwise service providers and competitors; leveraging any such security therein directly integrated or built into such stated Technology providers platform. With any such outages occurring across that of the Security provider Crowdstrike itself; such forces firms to therein migrate to otherwise service providers; or to that of platform hosted services which can offer similar and integrated reliability and services that therein outcompete basis as to that of which smaller firms solutions and security providers provide. Per the WEF Global Risk Report 2024; consolidation of technological power was a merging basis of concern with relation to that of certain strata in or across society. https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-risks-report-2024/ [https://www.weforum.org/weforum.jpg]<https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-risks-report-2024/> Global Risks Report 2024 | World Economic Forum<https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-risks-report-2024/> The Global Risks Report 2024 from the World Economic Forum explores some of the most severe risks we may face over the next decade. Read the report to learn more. www.weforum.org Best Regards, Cody Ryan Tippie ________________________________ From: InternetPolicy <internetpolicy-bounces(a)elists.isoc.org> on behalf of Michele Neylon - Blacknight via InternetPolicy <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org> Sent: Friday 19 July 2024 16:44 To: Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano(a)hotmail.com> Cc: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan(a)unam.mx>; At Large <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>; InternetPolicy(a)elists.isoc.org <InternetPolicy(a)elists.isoc.org> Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] [At-Large] Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure? Insurance maybe? I doubt that CrowdStrike or anyone else will accept liability Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Hosting & Domains https://www.blacknight.com @mneylon Sent from mobile so typos and brevity are normal On 19 Jul 2024, at 21:42, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano(a)hotmail.com> wrote: [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. <off topic> Any idea on who is going to pay for the damages? Cheers, R. On 19.07.2024, at 22:16, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via At-Large <at-large(a)icann.org> wrote: Yeah Software NOT internet related at all Those of us who don’t use that company’s products weren’t impacted at all Though I am glad I wasn’t flying with Ryanair today! Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Hosting & Domains https://www.blacknight.com @mneylon Sent from mobile so typos and brevity are normal On 19 Jul 2024, at 20:18, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch via At-Large <at-large(a)icann.org> wrote: [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. Amazingly it still takes some effort to know what is and what is not an Internet issue. Better read this brief, clear text from ISOC, by Olaf Kolkmann and Dan York: https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2024/07/global-tech-outage-demonstrate… Alejandro Pisanty [https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/outage-ATM-scree…]<https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2024/07/global-tech-outage-demonstrate…> Global Tech Outage Demonstrates Need for Resiliency in Software Systems - Internet Society<https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2024/07/global-tech-outage-demonstrate…> www.internetsociety.org Today's global outage of many systems was not an Internet outage, but it demonstrates the need for greater resilience in all our technical systems. ________________________________ De: Sivasubramanian M via At-Large <at-large(a)icann.org> Enviado: viernes, 19 de julio de 2024 05:59 a. m. Para: at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org Asunto: [At-Large] Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure? "it is a very, very uncomfortable illustration of the fragility of the world's core Internet infrastructure" said Ciaran Martin, Professor of Oxford's Blavatnik School of Government and former head of UK national cyber security center... _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list -- at-large(a)icann.org To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave(a)icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list -- at-large(a)icann.org To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave(a)icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

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Re: [Internet Policy] Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure?
by Hank Nussbacher July 19, 2024

July 19, 2024

On 19/07/2024 17:57, David Sarokin via InternetPolicy wrote: Once a computer is BSoD (Blue Screen of Death), it becomes a doorstopper. It can't be booted up. No rollback possible. Regards, Hank > I'm not especially tech-savvy, but I thought when companies push out a > software update, they generally include an option to roll-back the > update for precisely the reason that something could go wrong with the > latest version. > > Am I mistaken about this? Why can't CrowdStrike roll back to its > earlier version as a quick fix? > > David in DC > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 8:03 AM Marshall Eubanks via InternetPolicy > <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org> wrote: > > Is this referring to the CrowdStrike / Windows outage? > > https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-windows-outage-crowdstrike-global-it-… > > I have seen numerous reports of airline flights deplaning because > they cannot take off. > > Regards > Marshall Eubanks > Space Initiatives inc > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 8:00 AM Sivasubramanian M via > InternetPolicy <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org> wrote: > > "it is a very, very uncomfortable illustration of the > fragility of the world's core Internet infrastructure" said > Ciaran Martin, Professor of Oxford's Blavatnik School of > Government and former head of UK national cyber security center... > _______________________________________________ > To view your Internet Society subscriptions or unsubscribe, > log into your member profile at > https://community.internetsociety.org/, select your profile > picture and then My Groups. Select the Edit icon for Internet > Policy and check the Leave Group box, then Save. Changes may > take up to 3 hours to take effect. > - > View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: > https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/ > > _______________________________________________ > To view your Internet Society subscriptions or unsubscribe, log > into your member profile at > https://community.internetsociety.org/, select your profile > picture and then My Groups. Select the Edit icon for Internet > Policy and check the Leave Group box, then Save. Changes may take > up to 3 hours to take effect. > - > View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: > https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/ > > > _______________________________________________ > To view your Internet Society subscriptions or unsubscribe, log into your member profile at https://community.internetsociety.org/, select your profile picture and then My Groups. Select the Edit icon for Internet Policy and check the Leave Group box, then Save. Changes may take up to 3 hours to take effect. > - > View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/

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WEBCAST JUL 15 – The Royal Society – Celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Internet
by Joly MacFie July 15, 2024

July 15, 2024

This is the second i50 event, the first being the May 19 IEEE Milestone <https://isoc.live/17910/> . Now it's the ACM's turn, with The Royal Society hosting. Again, a high powered lineup of top speakers, this time focusing more on academics, but also including Doreen Bogdan-Martin of the ITU, and Maarten Botterman of GFCE/ICANN. What both events do have in common is the People Centered Internet and its co-founders, Vint Cerf and Mei Lin Fung. Read on blog <https://isoc.live/18150/> or Reader <https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_ema…> [image: Site logo image] ISOC LIVE NOTICEBOARD <https://isoc.live/> <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=8b885fa444ec8c2d6ff21d2…>On Monday July 15 2024 from 1pm-7pm BST (12:00-18:00 UTC) The Royal Society <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=624efcbd17c03af84c99879…> and the Association for Computing Machinery <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=16165fec6ebd6d2201e914c…> (ACM) will be *Celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Internet <https://royalsociety.org/science-events-and-lectures/2024/07/celebrating-th…> *in London, UK. The event will be opened by the co-inventor of the Internet *Dr Vint Cerf* and will feature a series of panels with eminent speakers that will look back at what the Internet has achieved in the last fifty years and focus on the next generation of the Internet and AI, and is supported by the *Web Science Trust <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=6ad29b4014bbba892e439d1…>, People-Centered Internet <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=ae1b16de67d88a3fe3267ad…>, Digital Enlightenment Forum <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=03945f76530ab6d0ed558a5…>, The Digital Humanism Initiative <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=1fce83ac88ead35285e0504…>,* and the *Web Science Institute* <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=fb02a95f8bf3cd42876ae71…>, University of Southampton, UK. *PROGRAMME* (All times BST = UTC+1) *13:00 Welcome* *Areeq Chowdhury*, Head of Policy, Data and Digital Technologies, The Royal Society *Prof. Yannis Ionnidis*, President, ACM *Prof. Dame Wendy Hall*, University of Southampton / Web Science Trust *13:05 Opening Speech / Conversation* *Dr. Vint Cerf*, Vice President / Chief Internet Evangelist, Google *Mei Lin Fung*, Chair / Co-founder, People-Centred Internet *13:45 Panel 1: The Internet as an Infrastructure* *Prof. Andrew Ellis*, Aston University *Prof. Dimitra Simeonidou*, University of Bristol *Maarten Botterman*, Board Director, ICANN *Prof. Gaven Smith*, The University of Manchester Chair: *Sir David Payne*, Professor of Photonics, University of Southampton *15:15 Panel 2: The Internet as a Facilitator of Opportunity* *Doreen Bogdan-Martin*, Secretary General, International Telecommunications Union (ITU) *Prof. Jim Hendler*, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI) *Alan Kay*, Computer Science Pioneer *Prof. Bitange Ndemo*, Kenya's Ambassador to Belgium and EU Chair: *Mei Lin Fung*, Chair / Co-founder, People-Centred Internet Respondent: *Dr. Vint Cerf* *Panel 3: The Internet and Society* *Prof. Noshir Contractor*, Northwestern University *Prof. Victoria Nash*, Oxford Internet Institute *Prof. Sir Nigel Shadbolt*, University of Oxford *Prof. Hannes Werthner*, Vienna University of Technology Chair: *Dame Wendy Hall,* Regius Professor of Computer Science, University of Southampton / Trustee, Web Science Institute / Director, Web Science Trust Respondent: *Dr. Vint Cerf* *Closing Remarks* Dr. Vint Cerf, Vice President / Chief Internet Evangelist, Google *LIVESTREAM https://youtu.be/ltF5uWB9Wg0 <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=6c9dc03fa8e7c4387410708…>* *REGISTER VIA EVENTBRITE https://bit.ly/4cW77lZ <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=00db1a310b08b63012ad757…>* *REAL TIME TEXT (see ISOC.LIVE <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=8b885fa444ec8c2d6ff21d2…>)* *TWITTER #i50 <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=fd5230a5decaf1fb4ad6e57…> @royalsociety @TheOfficialACM @PCI_Initiative @vgcerf @websciencetrust Digital Enlightenment Forum @DigHumTUWien @sotonWSI* *MASTODON #i50 <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=bc56acbf22ca9f1a9823ea0…> @mastodon.acm.org <http://mastodon.acm.org/>* *ARCHIVE* *https://archive.org/details/uk-i50 <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=ad68edde3751455ac4886f2…>* *** ISOC.LIVE is free community webcasting support service sponsored by the the Internet Society New York Chapter (ISOC-NY) - Big thanks to our July 2024 funder Vint Cerf *** -- -------------------------------------- Joly MacFie +12185659365 -------------------------------------- -

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