January 2008 - At-Large - lists.icann.org

Venue Accessibility
by Evan Leibovitch Jan. 10, 2008

Jan. 10, 2008

Hello everyone, We've now found out that the hotels used for the Delhi ICANN meeting are outlandishy expensive: http://del.icann.org/hotels (BTW, the main conference location is IIRC the Taj Palace. Where is ALAC being put?) This has raised a question that has been bothering me for a while... It's one thing for ICANN to claim to want public participation; but is its process really accessible when locations are chosen that are so expensive? When was the last time that "cost to attend" was a factor when choosing an ICANN meeting venue? The Delhi venue may be inexpensive to those who live within India, but seemingly prohibitive to anyone else who's neither subsidized nor on an expense account. Even as a regional venue, that seems mind-bogglingly expensive. I ask, in part, because of the Summit and the need to have a venue (or perhaps ongoing ones) to which we can bring many people together for as little cost as possible. It would serve ICANN's financial interests -- not to mention those of attendees -- if at least one meeting per year was scheduled at a location that had a) a major air hub b) somewhat reasonable hotel rates (ie, not $450/night!) c) fairly flexible entry policies for attendees (preferably visa-free from many countries) (Thankfully -- by coincidence of timing -- Paris seems close to meeting those criteria. Arguably, LA was inexpensive and a major hub -- but as a last-minute venue, advance planning for it was difficult, as was getting visas for some.) As At-Large is the body charged with promoting public participation in ICANN, perhaps this (financial accessibility of meetings) is an issue of interest to us. Well, if it's not an issue to _us_, it certainly won't be an issue to gold-card constituency reps, or those who go at ICANN's expense to every meeting no matter how costly. In the case of the Summit, there is also a matter of keeping costs down for ICANN. I would hope that in moving forward -- if there is eventual wisdom seen in having the Summit as a biennial event -- that the target city be chosen for its accessibility to travellers. We owe it to those who are not completely subsidized -- as well as to potential outside Summit sponsors -- to deliberately choose financially accessible venues for these events. However, I don' t want to limit this as a Summit issue since the matter of accessibility should not only be an occasional concern. What does anyone else here think? Is this an At-Large issue? I'm rather surprised that it hasn't been raised before; perhaps one reason is because ALAC itself is always shielded from the financial inaccessibility of meetings. However, the ALSs and public that it supposedly leads and represents, on the whole, have no such luxury. - Evan (And, yes, I'm aware of teleconferencing and other mass participation mechanisms. But you all know that some of the real power brokering and alliance-building doesn't happen at formal meetings. While podcasts and such are important tools, they're no substitute for face-to-face.)

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Transcription of December ALAC Teleconference posted
by Nick Ashton-Hart Jan. 9, 2008

Jan. 9, 2008

Dear All: For those who wish to read it, the transcription of the December ALAC teleconference is now posted. There is also an MP3 of the meeting available for you if you prefer to listen to audio. These can be accessed at: https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?11_december_2007 Note that we will shortly be making audio recordings available via RealNetworks streaming, for those who do not wish to download large MP3s, or who have bandwidth challenges which makes this difficult. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Fwd: Development Cycle for Next Fiscal Year's Budget and Operations Plan
by Nick Ashton-Hart Jan. 9, 2008

Jan. 9, 2008

Dear At-Large: I forward the below on behalf of Denise as I know this subject is one that many members of the community are interested in. As mentioned below, more information will be provided in due course by myself. Begin forwarded message: > From: Denise Michel <michel(a)icann.org> > Date: 8 January 2008 20:27:34 GMT+01:00 > To: Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org> > Subject: Development Cycle for Next Fiscal Year's Budget and > Operations Plan > > Please provide to the ALAC and RALOs. > > Thanks. > > --------------------------------- > Greetings At-Large Community. > > ICANN is beginning its development cycle for the Fiscal Year June > 2008- July > 2009 Operating Plan and Budget, and your input would be appreciated. > > I wanted to provide you with early information on this activity to > give you > ample opportunity to provide comments. You will receive a detailed > schedule > when it is finalized. Additionally, Nick Ashton-Hart will follow-up > with > At-Large-specific information on operations and budgets. > > Based on the June 2008 - July 2011 Strategic Plan, for which extensive > public comment was sought last year, and on the current operating > plans and > department budgets, ICANN staff will be developing an initial draft > Operating Plan and Budget to serve as a starting point for community > discussion during the ICANN meeting in New Delhi, which begins 10 > February. > The Board's Finance Committee oversees this work. > > ICANN will hold a series of consultations and take public comment on > its > Operating Plan and Budget through March (approximately), and then > staff will > incorporate the input, as appropriate, and a proposed Operating Plan > and > Budget will be available for further public comment until mid-May > (approximately). The Board is scheduled to consider and vote on the > Operating Plan and Budget in June. ICANN's next fiscal year begins > on 1 > July 2008. > > As noted, the specific timeline is being developed, but I wanted to > give you > advance notice of the general schedule that will be followed, and more > detailed information for At-Large will be forthcoming from Nick. > ICANN staff > looks forward to working with you on this endeavor. > > Regards, > Denise Michel > VP Policy Development > ICANN

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Re: [At-Large] Inviting Indian public to New Delhi meeting
by Hong Xue Jan. 9, 2008

Jan. 9, 2008

Per the list on APRALO webiste https://st.icann.org/asiapac/index.cgi?accredited_als, Internet Society Vasudhay Kutumbhkum (ISVK) is ONLY accredited ALS in India, though the few that's named are welcome to apply for accreditation to ALAC. On 1/9/08, Hakikur Rahman <email(a)hakik.org> wrote: > There are others: GIPI India, ISOC India (Chennai that I know), NIXI and > ERNET to name a few. > > Best regards, > Hakik > > > At 07:46 AM 1/9/2008, Hong Xue wrote: > > > There is one certified ALS in India, which is also a member of APRALO. The > local contact can either be the ALS or APRALO. > > Isn't it a new list? The name is interesting. > > Hong > > > > On 1/8/08, Wendy Seltzer <wendy(a)seltzer.com> wrote: > I recommend that ALAC make a concerted effort to invite a large number > of members of the Indian Internet-using public to the New Delhi meeting. > It would be very useful to hear how their concerns compare with those > we've heard so far, and to hear what new issues they raise. > > How might we find ways to contact the Indian Internet-using public? > --Wendy > > -- > Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org > Visiting Professor, Northeastern University School of Law > Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society > http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html > http://www.chillingeffects.org/ > https://www.torproject.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org > > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org

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Re: [At-Large] Inviting Indian public to New Delhi meeting
by Hakikur Rahman Jan. 9, 2008

Jan. 9, 2008

There are others: GIPI India, ISOC India (Chennai that I know), NIXI and ERNET to name a few. Best regards, Hakik At 07:46 AM 1/9/2008, Hong Xue wrote: > >There is one certified ALS in India, which is also a member of >APRALO. The local contact can either be the ALS or APRALO. > >Isn't it a new list? The name is interesting. > >Hong > > > >On 1/8/08, Wendy Seltzer <<mailto:wendy@seltzer.com>wendy(a)seltzer.com> wrote: >I recommend that ALAC make a concerted effort to invite a large number >of members of the Indian Internet-using public to the New Delhi meeting. >It would be very useful to hear how their concerns compare with those >we've heard so far, and to hear what new issues they raise. > >How might we find ways to contact the Indian Internet-using public? >--Wendy > >-- >Wendy Seltzer -- <mailto:wendy@seltzer.org>wendy(a)seltzer.org >Visiting Professor, Northeastern University School of Law >Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society ><http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html>http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html >http://www.chillingeffects.org/ ><https://www.torproject.org/>https://www.torproject.org/ > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list ><mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: <http://www.alac.icann.org>http://www.alac.icann.org >ALAC Independent: <http://www.icannalac.org>http://www.icannalac.org > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org >ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org

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Domain Tasting report
by Alan Greenberg Jan. 8, 2008

Jan. 8, 2008

As part of the Policy Development Process on Domain Tasting, the initial report summarizing the constituency statements has been issued. It can be found at http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/dock39ZTjlK35.doc. Alan

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Re: [At-Large] RES: Venue Accessibility
by Kieren McCarthy Jan. 8, 2008

Jan. 8, 2008

May I mention again the online meeting participation website for the Delhi meeting, found at http://del.icann.org. If people have suggestions for improvement over previous sites, please raise them now as time gets very tight just prior to a meeting. If you go to the main participation site at http://public.icann.org you will see I have set up a discussion forum where you can thrash about ideas. Kieren -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> To: <jsalgueiro(a)cantv.net> Sent: 1/3/2008 6:22:04 AM Subject: Re: [At-Large] RES: Venue Accessibility On 2007-12-30 11:01:14 -0400, Josè Ovidio Salgueiro A. wrote: > This is true. But when everyone of us was appointed to their > possitions we already new the time we had to devote to ICANN so I > don`t see why we should complaint now Because this isn't just about your precious time, but about the possibility to bring a broader public into these meetings. The Internet at large, you know... Sure, ICANN staff will ultimately take care of travel arrangements for ALAC members and other appointees, modulo the usual little signals such as not being put into the same hotel as the board members. But what do you do about others who are members of this community, might have valuable insights to contribute, and for sure won't cough up $500 per night in terms of hotel expenses -- either out of their own pocket, or out of an expense account? -- Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org

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How can would-be ALSs contact us?
by Wendy Seltzer Jan. 3, 2008

Jan. 3, 2008

The email address, committee(a)alac.icann.org, is listed on the ALAC site: <http://www.alac.icann.org/> "To contact the ALAC send an email to committee(a)alac.icann.org." Unfortunately, when I try to email it, I get a "user unknown" response. While I know ALAC is largely unknown to the outside world, I would hope we at least have a working address toward which to point newcomers. Thanks, --Wendy -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:12:47 -0500 (EST) From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mail.seltzer.org (Mail Delivery System) To: wendy(a)seltzer.org This is the mail system at host mail.seltzer.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system <committee(a)alac.icann.org>: host pechora.icann.org[208.77.188.38] said: 550 5.1.1 <committee(a)alac.icann.org>... User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command) -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org Visiting Professor, Northeastern University School of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/

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Small business domain name hijack via gmail
by Brendler, Beau Jan. 2, 2008

Jan. 2, 2008

Interesting and unfortunate tale on several fronts, including the usefulness of WHOIS: <http://www.davidairey.co.uk/google-gmail-security-hijack/> Maybe we can help this guy somehow? Note especially these paragraphs: "Where can I get help with domain name disputes? This is the stage I'm at now, weighing up my options before it comes to paying legal fees. This is also where I'm calling on your valued help. I know that many of you are much more clued up on this than I am, and if you can spare some advice in the comments here I'd be very appreciative. In my email communications with GoDaddy (the company where my .com domain name is now registered), a representative had this to say: Should we receive notice of a pending dispute from a court or arbitration forum, we will lock the domain name so it cannot be transferred or have the registrant information modified. Likewise, when we receive a decision from the legal body, we will update the domain name accordingly. They then directed me to the WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organization, domain.disputes(a)wipo.int) So I looked into this organisation's website, and in particular, the section on domain name dispute resolution resources. There's a FAQ section which provides information on a number of items, including the following: How do I file a dispute? How much will it cost and who pays? Can damages be awarded? To cut a long story short, it seems I have to pay a minimum of $1500 for the pleasure of initiating a court case. All fees are listed here. As for how long the process lasts, this information isn't very obvious on the WIPO website, so at present I'm unsure. What should I do? >From what I understand, the only option is to proceed with legal action (again, I'm not paying the thief one penny). Do you know any different? Do I have a good case to proceed with? Is there any other information available online about the pirate who is blackmailing me? If you can provide any of these answers, it would mean a lot." -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Zittrain [mailto:zittrain@law.harvard.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 2:04 PM To: stopbadware-workinggroup(a)eon.law.harvard.edu Subject: [stopbadware-workinggroup] gmail hack An awful tale, beginning with a gmail hack and ending with a domain name hijacking. Fascinating. <http://www.davidairey.co.uk/google-gmail-security-hijack/> *** Scanned

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