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Dot Triple X to launch Search Engine
by Carlton Samuels Sept. 27, 2012

Sept. 27, 2012

...on top of success? To quote 'The top-level domain has 240,000 names registered since it launched last December. About 80,000 of those are defensive registrations to protect trademarks, Lawley said. The company's original forecast in its 2004 application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) for the .xxx TLD had 125,000 names registered in the first five years of .xxx, Lawley said.' http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/437553/_xxx_launch_porn_search_engi… - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

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CTU WCIT Preparatory Invite and Registration
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Sept. 27, 2012

Sept. 27, 2012

Dear All, I would like to invite you all to the Caribbean Telecommunications Union WCIT preparatory meeting that will be held in Trinidad and Tobago. I am attaching your Invitations. There are some who will attend on-site, and others remotely. Remote participation is extremely welcome. The objective is to give people the opportunity to discuss diverse perspectives relating to WCIT. For more information, visit: http://www.ctu.int/ Thank you and kind regards, Sala ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bevil Wooding <Bevil.Wooding(a)congresswbn.org> Date: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:35 PM Subject: CTU WCIT Preparatory Invite and Registration To: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro (salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro(a)gmail.com)" < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro(a)gmail.com> Find attached as discussed.**** ** ** ** ** BMW**** -----------------------------------**** Bevil M. Wooding**** *Chief Knowledge Officer* Congress WBN**** ** ** [M] +868 682-0627 ● [W]+868 663 5673 ● [F] +868 662 1750**** ** ** Ethical initiatives for Nations Development**** http://www.congresswbn.org**** ** ** ** ** -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851

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Re: [At-Large] ICANN News Alert -- Update on Registrar Accreditation Agreement Amendments
by "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" Sept. 27, 2012

Sept. 27, 2012

On 26 Sep 2012, at 11:35, Adam Peake <ajp(a)glocom.ac.jp> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:25 PM, "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" > <michele(a)blacknight.ie> wrote: >> >> On 26 Sep 2012, at 05:47, John R. Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> wrote: >> >>>> It is almost impossible these days to sign onto a mailing list or get >>>> a free id on some web site without clicking on a link in an e-mail. >>>> Yet apparently, you can register a domain name without such a nicety. >>> >>> Quite right. Mail verification is a solved problem. >> >> Yes and no >> >> it's solved only if you assume that all domain registrations are done via websites .. They're not >> >> > > What other methods are used? Several of the registrars take orders in person or over the phone In some countries credit cards etc., aren't that widely used .. > > Feeling like this will be a dense question, but I can only think of > ccTLDs using manual or semi-manual systems of completed forms sent by > email or fax (in themselves with the level verification being asked > built in). > > And do you know if there's a breakdown of how registrations are > completed by method (x % by web, x % by fax, x % other means?) I wouldn't have those figures - sorry > > Adam > > > >>> >>>> Phone verification is a lot more costly, >>> >>> I'm not sure I believe that. I use a variety of services that verify >>> transactions by calling my phone number and speaking a code number I have >>> to type into their web site. Given how low value some of the transactions >>> are, they can't be spending much on their IVR system. >>> >>>> Hopefully going forward, we will not make these kind of mistakes >>>> again. >>> >>> My, you're an optimist. >>> >>> R's, >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> At-Large mailing list >>> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >>> >>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >> Mr Michele Neylon >> Blacknight Solutions ♞ >> Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection >> ICANN Accredited Registrar >> http://www.blacknight.co >> http://blog.blacknight.com/ >> http://blacknight.cat >> http://mneylon.tel >> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >> US: 213-233-1612 >> Locall: 1850 929 929 >> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >> Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon >> ------------------------------- >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty >> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> At-Large mailing list >> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions ♞ Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.co http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.cat http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

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Re: [At-Large] ICANN News Alert -- Update on Registrar Accreditation Agreement Amendments
by "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" Sept. 27, 2012

Sept. 27, 2012

On 26 Sep 2012, at 15:52, Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> wrote: > On 26 September 2012 06:24, "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" < > michele(a)blacknight.ie> wrote: > > >>> Good point. Still more costly than nothing, especially for a smaller >>> registrar with a low volume, and also for those who handle >>> out-of-country registrations. But by more expensive, I suspect we are >>> still talking pennies in most cases. >> >> No - it's quite a lot more. Stuart Lawley gave some numbers which I think >> were in the region of $7 / domain. >> You can probably do it for a lower price if you are only dealing with your >> home market, but the internet is global .. >> > > The internet may be global, but situations in which a local vendor (or a > foreign vendor with a local presence/partner) has an advantage are hardly > unique to the domain selling biz. Not everything in business can be done by > remote control, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. > > >> As you all know there are several regions of the world that are not >> particularly well served in terms of registrars etc., > > If ICANN / LEA push the phone verification too far then they'll be widening >> the digital divide .. >> > > On the contrary, by your account such a move would encourage more > opportunities for local or regional registrars in areas currently served > only by foreigners. No it wouldn't If there aren't registrars serving a particular area directly there's usually a reason for it ie. it's not economically attractive / viable > > Hmm... improve A&T while promoting domestic industries... you may be onto > something. Some countries have been trying to do this, but they've managed to get it completely backwards eg. Kazakstan that now requires all nameservers to be physically in country - so much for redundancy! > > - Evan > > > > >> >>> >>> >>>>> Hopefully going forward, we will not make these kind of mistakes >>>>> again. >>>> >>>> My, you're an optimist. >>> >>> Not really. Just trying to put a good twist on a very sad story. And >>> I kinda like the concept of moving forward and making NEW stupid >> mistakes... >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>>> R's, >>>> John >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> At-Large mailing list >>>> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >>>> >>>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> At-Large mailing list >>> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >>> >>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >> Mr Michele Neylon >> Blacknight Solutions ♞ >> Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection >> ICANN Accredited Registrar >> http://www.blacknight.co >> http://blog.blacknight.com/ >> http://blacknight.cat >> http://mneylon.tel >> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >> US: 213-233-1612 >> Locall: 1850 929 929 >> Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon >> ------------------------------- >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty >> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> At-Large mailing list >> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> > > > > -- > Evan Leibovitch > Toronto Canada > > Em: evan at telly dot org > Sk: evanleibovitch > Tw: el56 > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions ♞ Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.co http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.cat http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

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Message for ALS in Mali!
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Sept. 27, 2012

Sept. 27, 2012

Dear All. It is with great pleasure that we wish the ALS in Mali, ISOC Mali warm congratulations as you celebrate the 52nd anniversary of your independence this September 22. Happy Independence day! Best Regards, -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851

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LAC IGF webcast archive
by Joly MacFie Sept. 27, 2012

Sept. 27, 2012

Unfortunately some of the English audio feed from from the LACIGF was too distorted to get too much but most of it is ok. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/fgicolombia-english/videos The Spanish is not so bad and includes video. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/fgicolombia/videos If anyone can link one to the other to the name of the session, I could d/l and make a coherent english archive. j On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Carlton Samuels > <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> [BTW, there was a wide-ranging discussion on the issue here at the LACIGF. >> We had a long argy bargy to decide definition.] >> -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -

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How Neutral is the Net?
by Carlton Samuels Sept. 26, 2012

Sept. 26, 2012

...here's a helpful pictorial to answer..... http://netneutralitymap.org/ - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

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Re: [At-Large] ICANN News Alert -- Update on Registrar Accreditation Agreement Amendments
by "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" Sept. 26, 2012

Sept. 26, 2012

On 26 Sep 2012, at 05:47, John R. Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> wrote: >> It is almost impossible these days to sign onto a mailing list or get >> a free id on some web site without clicking on a link in an e-mail. >> Yet apparently, you can register a domain name without such a nicety. > > Quite right. Mail verification is a solved problem. Yes and no it's solved only if you assume that all domain registrations are done via websites .. They're not > >> Phone verification is a lot more costly, > > I'm not sure I believe that. I use a variety of services that verify > transactions by calling my phone number and speaking a code number I have > to type into their web site. Given how low value some of the transactions > are, they can't be spending much on their IVR system. > >> Hopefully going forward, we will not make these kind of mistakes >> again. > > My, you're an optimist. > > R's, > John > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions ♞ Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.co http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.cat http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

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Re: [At-Large] ICANN News Alert -- Update on Registrar Accreditation Agreement Amendments
by Alan Greenberg Sept. 26, 2012

Sept. 26, 2012

At 26/09/2012 08:46 AM, Eduardo Diaz wrote: >In some instances (i.e. whoever wants to fake their info) email and >telephone verification will be valid just up to the moment the domain gets >registered. Both email and telephone can be made bogus after that. Just >like Yellow Pages books, once they are published they are already >obsolete. > >You can have all the rules in place to try to "verify" who you are by >chequing Email & Tel at the moment of registration but in going forward who >knows who you are if these are not valid anymore. All true. But verification does cover a large subset of issues where deception is not part of the plan, and for those where it is, it complicated the process. >What about using a third party certifier before being able to register a >domain? Kind of a global domain passport? Is this something that can be >considered? I'm not party to the discussions, but my take is that it is certainly possible and would also increase the cost and delay of registering a name (particularly your first one) very significantly. Just think of the effort and cost of getting a certificate for certifying a web site. Whether it is worth that or not, another question. Alan >-ed

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Re: [At-Large] Fwd: ICANN News Alert -- Update on Registrar Accreditation Agreement Amendments
by Alan Greenberg Sept. 26, 2012

Sept. 26, 2012

Carlton, there is a lesson to be learned from the continued problems with item 10 (verification of both e-mail and telephone numbers), and I hope the Board and new CEO are paying attention. According to the report, registrars are now saying that they will do one but not both. Law enforcement wants both. It is worth considering how we got ourselves into this predicament. It is almost impossible these days to sign onto a mailing list or get a free id on some web site without clicking on a link in an e-mail. Yet apparently, you can register a domain name without such a nicety. If we (we being ICANN) had not ignored the issue of Whois validation for so long, the trivial e-mail verification would have been done for longer than many of us can remember. Now we are at the stage where we need to beg to have done what the rest of the world considers business as usual. Phone verification is a lot more costly, and it is natural that registrars are reluctant to make this investment, particularly as noted in the other document, under the current rules, where some registrars could avoid having to do this for up to five years, giving them a significant advantage. But if ICANN had paid even a modicom of attention to these problem long ago: - we would not be negotiating just phone verification as e-mail would have already been addressed - when we VERY PAINFULLY modified the RAA in 2008/9, we ignored AGAIN the issue of making future contracts effective in far less than 5 years. Hopefully going forward, we will not make these kind of mistakes again. The historian Barbara Tuchman, in a book I can recommend, "The March of Folly: From Troy to Vietnam", defines "folly" as: - an actions clearly contrary to the self-interest of those group pursuing the them; - carried out by a group or succession of people and not just the act of a single lunatic; - people at the time understood the error and gave valid alternatives. Clearly ICANN has been guilty of Folly. Perhaps we will stop. (And of course, At-Large should be a large part of that solution.) Alan At 25/09/2012 07:40 PM, *Carlton Samuels wrote: >So here we are. What do we know? And, when did we know it? > >Under the label 'Current Situation and Recent Developments' in the *RAA >Negotiations Update* document, it says: > > "six additional negotiating sessions, including two all-day in-person >meetings held in Washington DC (one of which was attended by Governmental >Advisory Committee members and representatives from the law enforcement >representatives)...........the negotiations since Prague has largely >focused on the key areas of Whois verification and data retention, which >are part of 12 GAC/law enforcement recommendations." > >In case you missed the significance, there is further contextualization: > >"I >n Prague, we highlighted four critical elements of the law enforcement >recommendations: >(1)verification / validation of Whois data; >(2)enhanced collection of information related to registrants (data retention); >(3)clarification of registrar responsibility regarding resellers and >privacy/proxy services; >and >(4)creation of contacts for reports of domain name abuse. > >The ALAC and At-Large have certainly not been mute on said 'critical >elements'. And while the ALAC is also on record demanding transparent >negotiations if only because of the pivotal role the RAA plays in consensus >policy development, I personally do not have any the current information >regarding At-Large/ALAC dispositions at these sessions. All things being >equal, it appears the At-Large [and the ALAC] were treated like unloved >country cousins on your father's side, thrice removed. > >I'm pleased to hear negotiations have progressed in certain areas. See the >Summary of Negotiations Status. Look closely at Item #10: Registrar >Validation of Registrant Data. Apply the stoplight status here and >contextualize what this means. > >I have attached both documents for ease of access. > >- Carlton Samuels > [Chair, At-Large WHOIS WG] > > >============================== >Carlton A Samuels >Mobile: 876-818-1799 >*Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* >============================= > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: ICANN News Alert <communications(a)icann.org> >Date: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:56 PM >Subject: ICANN News Alert -- Update on Registrar Accreditation Agreement >Amendments >To: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com > > >** > [image: ICANN] <http://www.icann.org/> News Alert > >http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-5-24sep12-en.htm >------------------------------ >Update on Registrar Accreditation Agreement Amendments > >24 September 2012 > >In advance of the ICANN meeting in Toronto, ICANN and the Registrars are >posting two documents on the status of negotiations of amendments to the >Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA). Since Prague, significant progress >has been made, though certain key issues remain open. There were six >negotiation sessions, including a full day session with participants from >the Governmental Advisory Committee and representatives of law enforcement. >As reported earlier, there is agreement in many areas, including nearly all >law enforcement recommendations. In the two remaining recommendations still >under discussion, ICANN and the registrars are much closer to reaching a >negotiated position on Whois verification and data retention. > >On Whois verification, a framework for improving Whois accuracy has been >developed, however, ICANN and the registrars still have not reached >agreement on the number of fields that are to be verified. > >On data retention, discussion among law enforcement representatives, >registrars and ICANN indicates there is agreement in principle on a >two-tiered retention schedule to account for differing data privacy >obligations. More detail on each of these items, as well as status of >negotiations on the other law enforcement requests, are provided in the >documents posted today: > >*RAA Negotiation >Update<http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/negotiations-update-24sep1…> >:* A memo providing detail on the negotiations since the Prague meeting and >providing some questions for further community input. > >*Summary Chart of Status of >Negotiations<http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/negotiations-status-summar…> >:* Detailed status of negotiation on each of the 12 law enforcement >requests, noting the remaining items remaining for discussion. Key requests >from Registrars and ICANN for additional terms in the RAA are also >identified at the end of the chart. > >Because the negotiations have been focused on these key areas, ICANN and >the Registrars have not yet reached a fully negotiated agreement on all >terms and provisions within the RAA. When available, a full draft will be >posted for public comment. Until that time, ICANN and the Registrars >welcome feedback on the discussion topics identified in the summary memo to >help inform the community discussions in Toronto. Comments can be forwarded >to the RAA Negotiations Status >Wiki<https://community.icann.org/display/RAA/Negotiations+Between+ICANN+and+Regi…> >. > >Content-Type: application/pdf; name="Negotiations-update-24sep12-en.pdf" >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="Negotiations-update-24sep12-en.pdf" >X-Attachment-Id: f_h7jn3jpl0 > >Content-Type: application/pdf; > name="Negotiations-status-summary-24sep12-en.pdf" >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="Negotiations-status-summary-24sep12-en.pdf" >X-Attachment-Id: f_h7jn3yky1 > >_______________________________________________ >At-Large mailing list >At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org

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