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VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT: At-Large Board Director - VOTE ROUND 2
by ICANN At-Large Staff March 19, 2014

March 19, 2014

Dear All, Tijani Ben Jemaa, Chair of the Board Member Selection Process Committee (BMSPC) 2014, has asked that VOTE ROUND 2 be held to select the Board Director (Seat #15) selected by ALAC/At-Large for 2015-2017 (to take their seat at the 2014 AGM). ***** Question: Who do you support to become the Board Director (Seat #15) selected by ALAC/At-Large for 2015-2017? Please select one candidate from the list below (Listed in alphabetical order of the family name): * Rinalia Abdul Rahim * Sébastien Bachollet * Alan Greenberg Procedure Please note that the poll for VOTE ROUND 2 will be open from Saturday, 22-March-2014 08:00 SGT (00:00 UTC) to Sunday, 23-March-2014 17:45 SGT (09:45 UTC). * Once open, electorates will receive Vote Credentials that contain links to BigPulse, the online platform, to cast your vote. * Staff will send reminders, as well as call electorates who haven’t voted before the poll closes. * VOTE ROUND 2 will be a simple majority: each electorate member chooses only one candidate for whom they will cast their vote. The candidate with the highest votes wins. * If one of the candidates has more than 50% of the votes cast, that candidate will be declared the winner. * If no candidate receives more than 50% of the votes cast, the candidate with the least number of votes is dropped, and a second vote with only 2 candidates starts on Sunday, 23 March at 18:45 SGT (10:45 UTC) and closes on Wednesday, 26 March at 14:00 SGT (06:00 UTC). This vote will also be a simple majority vote. The credentials will be sent on Sunday, 23 March at 18:45 SGT (10:45 UTC). At the closure of the vote poll, if one of the candidates has more than 50% of the votes cast, this candidate is declared the winner, and the Board Director selection process is completed. If not, a random tie breaking operation will be undertaken on Wednesday, 26 March at 15:30 SGT (07:30 UTC) The official announcement of the winner will be reported on Thursday, 27 March 2014. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Julia Charvolen ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>

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RE : VOTE RESULTS: At-Large Board Director - VOTE ROUND 1
by jjs March 19, 2014

March 19, 2014

Thank you Tijani for leading the process, and warm congratulations to Rinalia, Alan and Sébastien in reaching this stage of the selection! Jean-Jacques. -------- Message d'origine -------- De : ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> Date : 19/03/2014 2:10 (GMT+01:00) A : alac-announce(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org,At-Large Worldwide <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>,afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org,apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org,Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>,lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org,lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org,na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Objet : [At-Large] VOTE RESULTS: At-Large Board Director - VOTE ROUND 1 Dear All, The First Round vote of the Board Director (Seat #15) selection by ALAC/At-Large is now completed. The three most preferred candidates, listed in alphabetical order of the Family name, are the following: * Rinalia Abdul Rahim * Sébastien Bachollet * Alan Greenberg I would like to congratulate the 3 preferred candidates, and wish them good luck for the Second Round. I also would like to thank Evan Leibovitch and Jean-Jacques Subrenat for participating in the Board Seat 2014 process. They contributed to the consistency and the credibility of the selection process. Tijani BEN JEMAA BMSPC Chair _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org

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Conference: ICANN and Global Internet Governance: The Road to Sao Paulo, and Beyond, Singapore 21 March 2014
by William Drake March 16, 2014

March 16, 2014

Hello, If interested, please see the below. Apologies if you receive this from more than one mail list. ------ "ICANN and Global Internet Governance: The Road to São Paulo, and Beyond" A conference to be held on Friday 21 March 2014 at the ICANN 49 meeting venue, the Raffles City Convention Centre, Singapore, in the Olivia Room, from 10:00 to 18:00. Organized by the NonCommercial Users Constituency (NCUC) of the Generic Names Supporting Organization, with the generous support of ICANN. Logistical information, conference registration (important!) and the program are now online at http://www.ncuc.org/singapore2014/ We very much want this to be an inclusive cross-community dialogue, so we hope people will consider attending, either in person or remotely, and please do share this with potentially interested colleagues. We are compiling some background materials related to the session topics for addition to the web site, and personal/organizational written inputs would be very much welcome. Overview of the meeting 10:00-10:15 Welcome and Overview 10:15-10:45 Update on the Sao Paulo Meeting 10:45-12:00 Panel 1 - Setting the Scene: Overview of Recent Agenda-Setting Initiatives 12:00-13:00 Lunch 13:00-14:15 Panel 2 - Internet Governance Principles 14:15-15:45 Panel 3 - Roadmap for Ecosystem Evolution: Globalization 15:45-16:00 Coffee break 16:00-17:30 Panel 4 - Roadmap for Ecosystem Evolution: Institutional Innovation 17:15-17:45 Keynote Assessment by Larry Strickling, Asst. Secretary of Commerce, Government of the United States 17:45-18:00 Concluding Observations 18:00-19:30 Reception with Fadi Chehadé, CEO of ICANN Thanks, Bill *********************************************** William J. Drake International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, ICANN, www.ncuc.org william.drake(a)uzh.ch (direct), wjdrake(a)gmail.com (lists), www.williamdrake.org ***********************************************

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VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT: At-Large Board Director - VOTE ROUND 1
by At-Large Staff March 15, 2014

March 15, 2014

Dear All, Tijani Ben Jemaa, Chair of the Board Member Selection Process Committee (BMSPC) 2014, has asked that the first round of vote for the selection of the Board Director selected by At-Large (Seat #15) be held to reduce the number of Candidates from five (5) to three (3) only. ***** Question: Please rank all 5 candidates (listed in alphabetical order of surname) from the most preferred to the least preferred (1 is the most preferred and 5 is the least preferred). * Rinalia Abdul Rahim * Sébastien Bachollet * Alan Greenberg * Evan Leibovitch * Jean-Jacques Subrenat ***** * Please note that the poll for VOTE ROUND 1 will be open from 16-March-2014 00:00 UTC to 17-March-2014 23:59 UTC: > * Once open, electorates will receive Vote Credentials that contain links to > BigPulse, the online platform to cast your vote. > * Staff will send reminders, as well as call electorates who haven¹t voted > before the poll closes. * VOTE ROUND 1 will be a Preferential Instant Run-off: The three (3) candidates with the lowest scores (i.e. most preferred) are selected for VOTE ROUND 2. * If two candidates are distinctly placed 4th and 5th with the two highest scores (i.e. least preferred), VOTE ROUND 1 will be completed. * VOTE ROUND 1 will continue if a tie occurs. A tie means: a) 2 or more candidates have the same score for the 3rd place; b) 3 or more candidates have the same score for the 2nd place; c) 4 or more candidates have the same score for the 1st place; or d) The 5 candidates have the exact same score (which is very unlikely). In any of the above 4 cases, a TIE-BREAKING VOTE will be held for the tied candidates only. > * The poll for the TIE-BREAKING VOTE will be open from 18-March-2014 03:00 UTC > to 21-March-2014 23:59 UTC. Once open, electorates will receive Vote > Credentials. > * TIE-BREAKING VOTE will also be a Preferential Instant Run-off. > * If the tie is broken, VOTE ROUND 1 will be completed. > * If a tie still exists, a in-person draw will take place in Singapore to > break the tie on 23-March-2014 01:15-01:45 UTC (09:15-09:45 SGT). VOTE ROUND 1 > will be then completed. * After the completion of VOTE ROUND 1, VOTE ROUND 2 will start at 23-March-2014 09:15 UTC (17:15 SGT). Electorates will receive instructions soon. * For information about the candidates, including the community call and Q&A with the candidates, please see https://community.icann.org/x/0CDRAg <https://community.icann.org/x/0CDRAg> . * To convert time, please visit http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html> . * If you have questions about the VOTE ROUND 1 procedure and/or need assistance with BigPulse, please contact At-Large Staff at staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <applewebdata://68497759-1B04-4F9B-84B7-B9445B8F305F/Regards,%20Heidi%20Ullr ich,%20Silvia%20Vivanco,%20Matt%20Ashtiani,%20Ariel%20Liang,%20Gisella%20Gru ber,%20Nathalie%20Peregrine%20and%20Julia%20Charvolen%20ICANN%20Policy%20Sta ff%20in%20support%20of%20ALACmailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> . Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Julia Charvolen ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org%3cmailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <applewebdata://68497759-1B04-4F9B-84B7-B9445B8F305F/Regards,%20Heidi%20Ullr ich,%20Silvia%20Vivanco,%20Matt%20Ashtiani,%20Ariel%20Liang,%20Gisella%20Gru ber,%20Nathalie%20Peregrine%20and%20Julia%20Charvolen%20ICANN%20Policy%20Sta ff%20in%20support%20of%20ALACmailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>

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NTIA Announces Intent to Transition Key Internet Domain Name Functions
by Roberto Gaetano March 15, 2014

March 15, 2014

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/press-release/2014/ntia-announces-intent-transition- key-internet-domain-name-functions "NTIA has informed ICANN that it expects that in the development of the proposal, ICANN will work collaboratively with the directly affected parties, including the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the Internet Society (ISOC), the Regional Internet Registries (RIRs), top level domain name operators, VeriSign, and other interested global stakeholders." I guess the Internet users are included in the "other" above. LLLLLLLL On the other hand, this is not the time to complain, but to welcome this step, and be ready to be part of the process that will drive the change JJJJJJJJ R.

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Re: [At-Large] [lac-discuss-en] Venezuela calls ISOC Internet freedom - URGENT
by José Ovidio Salgueiro March 14, 2014

March 14, 2014

Dificilmente la opinion de una ONG pueda considerarse ingerencia internacional. Unasur, OEA, ONU y los demas organismos haran lo que consideren pertinente y otras organizaciones harán lo mismo. De eso se trata la libertad de expresion. O me equivoco? Aclaro que soy venezolano y tengo una opinion muy formada de lo que sucede. Sin embargo, esta opinion que manifiesto aqui esta basada solamente en principios basicos de derechos humanos y libertad de expresion JOS El mar 14, 2014 6:00 p.m., <iplazp(a)gmail.com> escribió: > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject: Re: Venezuela calls ISOC Internet freedom - URGENT > From: iplazp(a)gmail.com > > Greetings, I have work to do ... > > > Just a comment. No international Organization which in addition has > historically refused to multilateral governance has any right > to intervene and ignoring the national public powers. > > > "1. Orders Reverse locks to websites, until there > due process with sufficient guarantees of autonomy, independence and > impartiality of the officials or judges who make decisions about > it. " > > > You do not have the right to pass ISOC above organizations > multilateral and UNASUR, UN, CELAC, OAS where only three passes > They ignored the national powers and sovereign. > > > Paraphrasing dirn message: we have right to ignore the powers > publiucos elected democratic elections in 18, four recent, because > yhan not been constructed infrastructure {cmo, cmo,, gives us the > wins .. there infrastructure with millions of users that the network > collapse > because there democratization service ..! which inconsistency! > > > Ah, using the methodology of teaching quines ISOC Venezuela, the fifth > chose? for what? ensure multilateral form of governance Internet? .. > > > with appreciation, and a little annoyed ... to work to work because if > you do not > guarimbear takes ... is one of the messages of the guys that are not > oposin have to study .. certainly insist that they grew canaimitas > universavilizar connect ... the service is not the same as > infrastructure for elite .. Yesterday I miss telling digital TV .. > > > To Victoria ... Venezuela always respected > > > > > The March 14, 2014, 10:02 AM, Erick Iriarte Ahon > <eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org> wrote: > > > > Disculpa: Mensaje a multiples listas en un solo mensaje. Mensaje que no > es > > off topic a ninguna de las listas. > > > > Nota Personal: > > Con este comunicado de ISOC Venezuela, ya son dos comunicados de > Capitulos > > de ISOC > > (ISOC Peru: Comunicado ISOC Peru sobre situacion de internet en venezuela > > #internetlibre #venezuelalibre #isoc http://pic.twitter.com/DedTVk5UlRy > > el de ISOC Venezuela). Seguiran Callando todos aquellos involucrados en > > internet esperando que recien ocurra en sus paises > > > > Fuente: https://www.facebook.com/ISOC.Venezuela/posts/10152037054548403 > > > > ---- > > > > ISOC Venezuela llama a la libertad de Internet > > > > > > En Caracas, a los trece (13) días del mes de marzo de 2014. > > > > La Sociedad Internet Venezuela (ISOC Venezuela), preocupada por las > > restricciones al Internet durante los últimos meses en Venezuela, hace un > > llamado a la libertad del Internet y al respeto y la promoción del > derecho > > a la libertad de expresión a través de esta plataforma global de > > comunicación. > > > > La Comisión Nacional de Telecomunicaciones (CONATEL) ha ordenado bloqueos > > sobre el sistema DNS afectando los nombres de dominio de algunos sitios > > web, entre los cuales destacan aquellos que informan sobre la cotización > de > > divisas extranjeras. Estos bloqueos se han ordenado sin cumplimiento del > > previo proceso administrativo o judicial, con garantías de derecho a la > > defensa y debido proceso. > > > > Asimismo, el Presidente de la República ordenó expresamente que se sacara > > de la grilla de programación de televisión por cable y de internet al > canal > > de noticias colombiano NTN24. Esta medida se tomó de forma arbitraria y, > > nuevamente, sin el debido proceso ni garantías de derecho a la defensa. > > > > Paralelamente, la Internet en Venezuela se ve seriamente afectada por > > deficiencias en la infraestructura de la red que la soporta, debido a > falta > > de inversión y mantenimiento. Esto ocasiona que en algunos casos se > generen > > colapsos en la red en sitios o servidores. > > > > Un evento de interrupción total del servicio de Internet ocurrió en el > > Estado Táchira, que de acuerdo al comunicado de la empresa responsable > fue > > producto de problemas asociados con infraestructura y falta de energía > > eléctrica. El mencionado comunicado se produjo después de más de 72 horas > > de la ocurrida la suspensión, lo que generó mucha desconfianza entre los > > usuarios y clientes del servicio dada la coyuntura en que se produjo y la > > demora en restablecerlo. > > > > Finalmente, han existido ataques por parte de hackers contra sitios web > > gubernamentales a través de denegaciones de servicio. Esto ocasiona un > > mayor colapso en el sistema ya deficiente de Internet. > > > > La Libertad de Expresión es un Derecho Humano fundamental para la > > democracia. Este derecho está consagrado en numerosos instrumentos > > internacionales de derechos humanos, entre los cuales destaca el artículo > > 19 del Pacto Internacional de Derechos Civiles y Políticos de Naciones > > Unidas, y, de la misma forma está consagrado en los artículos 57 y 58 de > la > > Constitución de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela. > > > > La Internet es un instrumento para el ejercicio de este derecho, y por > > ende instrumento de la democracia. La Internet nos permite acceder a > > información de interés, el libre ejercicio de la libertad de culto y de > > credo político. > > > > El Estado venezolano tiene la obligación de respetar la libertad en > > Internet como un medio de comunicación y garantizar el acceso a Internet > de > > calidad en el territorio nacional. > > > > Cualquier forma de bloqueo u obstaculización por razones políticas o > > económicas; bajo premisas de seguridad nacional, sin un debido proceso > > fundamentado en el respeto irrestricto de los derechos humanos, es ajeno > a > > la vida democrática de cualquier país. > > > > En estos momentos, Venezuela atraviesa una situación de crisis política y > > social, y cuenta con pocos medios de comunicación independientes que > > transmitan información acerca de los hechos que suceden diariamente. Esto > > ha generado un mayor tráfico en Internet, el cual se ha visto > obstaculizado > > por la deficiente infraestructura que soporta la Red y por la falta de > > neutralidad de la misma. Es importante que el Estado pueda garantizar un > > acceso a Internet de calidad a escala nacional. > > > > En este sentido exhortamos al Estado venezolano a que: > > > > 1. Revierta las ordenes de bloqueos a los sitios web, hasta tanto exista > > un debido proceso, con suficientes garantías de autonomía, independencia > e > > imparcialidad de los funcionarios o jueces que tomen las decisiones sobre > > ello. > > 2. Garantice neutralidad en la red, y en este sentido se abstenga de > tomar > > acciones que obstaculicen las visitas a determinados contenidos en el > web o > > la rapidez del acceso a determinados contenido en internet. > > 3. Garantice que exista un acceso a Internet de calidad en toda > Venezuela, > > promoviendo la diversidad y competencia de proveedores a lo largo y ancho > > de la Nación. > > > > En Caracas, a los trece (13) días del mes de marzo de 2014. > > _______________________________________________ > > La lista Alc-cmsi recoge información, opiniones y aportes de > > organizaciones y personas de sociedad civil en ALC interesadas en > políticas > > de TIC. Solicitamos no replicar estos mensajes en otras listas y/o > personas > > que no hagan parte de la misma, al menos que el remitente original lo > > exprese de manera directa > > _______________________________________________ > > Info y opciones: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/alc-cmsi > > Cancelar suscripcion: enviar email a alc-cmsi-unsubscribe(a)gn.apc.org > > > > > > > > > We are one of New Worlds: Life, Peace, Happiness and Love > > > Irene Power Plaz > Center of Scientific Studies > http://sedlc.ivic.gob.ve/edlc/estudio_de_la_ciencia/ > Iplazp(a)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > > > [[--Original text (es) > http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/7f12fa55ae.html > --]] > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > >

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Weekly posting summary for at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten March 14, 2014

March 14, 2014

Total of 10 messages in the last 7 days. script run at: Fri Mar 14 00:53:02 EDT 2014 Messages | Bytes | Who --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 20.00% | 2 | 22.07% | 18394 | joly at punkcast.com 20.00% | 2 | 16.72% | 13934 | salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com 10.00% | 1 | 11.46% | 9554 | wjdrake at gmail.com 10.00% | 1 | 10.85% | 9047 | vanda at uol.com.br 10.00% | 1 | 10.17% | 8478 | ajp at glocom.ac.jp 10.00% | 1 | 10.11% | 8430 | eiriarte at alfa-redi.org 10.00% | 1 | 10.09% | 8408 | narten at us.ibm.com 10.00% | 1 | 8.52% | 7103 | mcknight.glenn at gmail.com --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 100.00% | 10 |100.00% | 83348 | Total

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periodista informa que conatel pide bloquear acceso a youtube y twitter en venezuela - chau internetlibre?
by Erick Iriarte Ahon March 13, 2014

March 13, 2014

Hola a todos la situacion en venezuela, tiene que ver mucho con la teoria de que se puede balcanizar el internet al tener que cumplirse las normas de manera local (que las leyes estan para cumplirse, de eso no hay duda), y que pasa cuando esas normas contravienen #ddhh o al menos conceptualizaciones generales como el internetlibre. A quien se tiene que hacer caso? Este es el futuro de internet en America Latina? Esto es el relato del periodista Alfredo Meza (@alfredomeza) 2h ago @alfredomeza Esta mañana se celebró la reunión entre los proveedores de servicio de Internet y Conatel. Comentaré varios detalles de lo que allí se habló 2h ago @alfredomeza Liquidada la independencia de la radio y la televisión el Gobierno instruyó a Conatel para que decida qué se puede o no consultar en la web 2h ago @alfredomeza Hasta este momento Conatel ordenaba a proveedores de servicio (ISP) bloquear aquellas páginas que informaban la cotización del dólar negro 2h ago @alfredomeza ahora se ha puesto la meta de censurar todo aquel contenido noticioso que afecte la imagen del gobierno, pero tienen un problema 1h ago @alfredomeza Conatel actualmente no controla si los proveedores de servicio cumplen las órdenes de bloquear páginas. 1h ago @alfredomeza Conatel ha comunicado a los proveedores de servicio que desea automatizar el control sobre las órdenes de bloquear páginas web 1h ago @alfredomeza ¿Qué significa automatizar el control?Conatel podrá revisar el sistema de los proveedores de servicio para verificar que cumplan lo ordenado 1h ago @alfredomeza En la reunión con los proveedores servicio de Internet (ISP) Conatel habló de restringir el acceso a Youtube y Twitter, pero eso es difícil 1h ago @alfredomeza Es complicado controlar Youtube y Twitter, explicaron las fuentes, por la forma como están configurados esos servicios. Pero gobierno quiere 1h ago @alfredomeza Insisto: son planes que se ventilaron en reunión de hoy. Forma de implementarlos será motivo de reuniones pequeñas para evitar filtraciones 1h ago @alfredomeza Empresas proveedoras de Internet están de manos atadas. Desobedecer al regulador implica que les revoquen habilitación. Y eso es un negocio Erick Iriarte

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Women's Rights What Have We Achieved?
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro March 10, 2014

March 10, 2014

Dear All, Here is a link to an article on the Guardian on Women's Rights What Have We Achieved? http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2014/ma… It contains reflections from some women across the world. Kind Regards, Sala

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Sunday March 8 is International Womens Day - the Internet Society is celebrating Women in Tech
by Joly MacFie March 8, 2014

March 8, 2014

If you are interested in this topic, please view our recent video<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6300>, and take particular note of the many resources available via the National Center for Women & Information Technology <http://www.ncwit.org/> joly posted: "This Sunday, March 8 2014, is International Women's Day and this year's theme is "Equality for women is progress for all". To mark the occasion Internet Society President & CEO Kathy Brown, and Trustees Desiree Miloshevic, Theresa Swinehart and Narell" [image: International Women's Day]This Sunday, March 8 2014, is International Women's Day <http://www.internationalwomensday.com/> and this year's theme is "*Equality for women is progress for all*". To mark the occasion Internet Society President & CEO *Kathy Brown*, and Trustees *Desiree Miloshevic*, *Theresa Swinehart* and *Narelle Clark*, have posted Weaving Women of the World into the Global Tapestry of Modern Digital Life<http://www.internetsociety.org/node/191121>an article around the importance of women in ICT. The article highlights several initiatives across the ISOC community that support women interested in technology careers and bring Internet access and training to women around the world. Here at ISOC-NY we actively support local organizations who actively recruit girls into computer science, such as the New York City Foundation for Computer Science Education <http://csnyc.org/> (CSNYC) and Girls Who Code <http://girlswhocode.com/>. We have also lent international assistance to the ITU's Tech Needs Girls <http://www.techneedsgirls.org/> campaign. If you have a story about, or would like to pay tribute to, women in tech - the Internet Society has an open call for related anecdotes, links, media etc at Inspiring Change: Celebrating Achievements of Women in Tech<http://www.internetsociety.org/inspiring-change-celebrating-achievements-wo…> Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6373#respond> See all comments<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6373#comments> *Permalink* http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6373 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -

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