November 2017 - At-Large - lists.icann.org

Weekly posting summary for at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by narten＠us.ibm.com Nov. 10, 2017

Nov. 10, 2017

Total of 9 messages in the last 7 days. script run at: Fri Nov 10 00:53:04 EST 2017 Messages | Bytes | Who --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 33.33% | 3 | 30.54% | 46626 | derek at aa419.org 22.22% | 2 | 38.29% | 58445 | joly at punkcast.com 11.11% | 1 | 10.81% | 16508 | dogwallah at gmail.com 11.11% | 1 | 7.62% | 11634 | narten at us.ibm.com 11.11% | 1 | 6.59% | 10060 | icann-list at sorehands.com 11.11% | 1 | 6.15% | 9383 | johnl at iecc.com --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 100.00% | 9 |100.00% | 152656 | Total

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WEBCAST WED/THU: Indigenous Connectivity Summit in Santa Fe #indiginet17
by Joly MacFie Nov. 8, 2017

Nov. 8, 2017

This is underway. A lot of expertise in the room. This is essentially North America oriented but a lot of it will be applicable elsewhere. ICANN was already raised during Kathy Brown's session. [image: livestream] <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/indigenet17>Today and tomorrow Wednesday/Thursday November 8-9 2017 the *Internet Society North America Regional Bureau*, the* Internet Society New Mexico Chapter*, <https://www.internetsociety.org/regions/north-america/>the *1st-Mile Institute* <http://www.1st-mile.org/>, <https://www.internetsociety.org/regions/north-america/>*New Mexico Techworks* <http://www.nmtechworks.com/>, and <https://www.internetsociety.org/regions/north-america/>the *First Mile Connectivity Consortium* <http://firstmile.ca/> present the first ever *Indigenous Connectivity Summit <https://www.internetsociety.org/events/indigenous-connectivity-summit/>*. This community-led forum will showcase success stories of Indigenous community networks in Canada, the United States and around the globe to help find solutions to improve Internet access for all. Themes include community development and sustainability. Speakers include *Kathy Brown*, CEO, Internet Society and *Senator Tom Udall*, Honorary Co-Host. The vent will be webcast live on the* Internet Society Livestream Channel <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/indigenet17>*. Santa Fe is MST, 2 hours ahead of NYC (UTC-7) *What: Indigenous Connectivity Summit <https://www.internetsociety.org/events/indigenous-connectivity-summit/>Where: Santa Fe, NMWhen: Wednesday/Thursday November 8-9 2017Agenda: https://www.internetsociety.org/events/indigenous-connectivity-summit/agenda <https://www.internetsociety.org/events/indigenous-connectivity-summit/agenda>Webcast: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/indigenet17 <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/indigenet17>Twitter: #indigenet17 http://bit.ly/indigenet17 <http://bit.ly/indigenet17>* Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/9561#respond> See all comments <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/9561#comments> *Permalink* http://isoc-ny.org/p2/9561 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- -

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Re: [At-Large] Godaddy & ICANN Compliance: Port 43 whois
by Bill Silverstein Nov. 7, 2017

Nov. 7, 2017

> An edited version of a post I made on the APWG. Certain parts have > been redacted to protect innocent victims. The rest is topical here. > > Certain parties at Godaddy were copied on the original. > > ============================================================== > > I'm not sure if here is anybody on list that can address this issue. I > have lodged an ICANN complaint on it, but this is extremely topical in > doing what we do, fighting fraud as this affects each of us. So I'll > share: > > http://blog.aa419.org/2017/09/08/an-open-letter-to-godaddy-whois-service/#O… > > I have reached out to folks in other communities fighting abuse. The > issue is global and complaints are sandbagged. > > To show what a harmful effect this has: > I have been trying to deal with both Godaddy and ICANN about GoDaddy's violation of the RAA requirements to provide port 43 access. The response from Godaddy is that you can go to the web site. ICANN's response is "However, please note that the registrar demonstrated to ICANN it was compliant with its Whois Service obligations at the time the complaint was received in accordance with Section 3.3.5 of the 2013 Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA) Additionally, please note, ICANN's authority is purely contractual, and limited to the RAA, the Registry Agreements (RA) and ICANNâs Consensus Policies." What crap! I had provided the proof, but they ignore it.

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WEBCAST TODAY: Europe Regional Internet and Development Dialogue 2017 #RIDD
by Joly MacFie Nov. 7, 2017

Nov. 7, 2017

This is under way. Excellent keynote from Michael Boni. [image: livestream] <https://livestream.com/internetsociety2/riddeurope> .Today, *Tuesday November 7 2017*, the* Internet Society's European Regional Bureau <http://www.isoc.org/regions/europe/>*, *CEPS <https://www.ceps.eu/>*, and the *Committee of the Regions <http://cor.europa.eu/>* are hosting the *Europe Regional Internet and Development Dialogue 2017 <https://www.internetsociety.org/events/ridd/europe/2017/>* in Brussels, Belgium. The theme is 'Will the Internet Benefit All Europeans?'. The Internet is transforming Europe’s rich cities. The metropolises benefit from high speed connections and are the site of most start-ups and new tech jobs. But what are the consequences of this transformation? And what will happen to less populated regions and disadvantaged urban fringes? Speakers include MEP *Michal Boni* and *Vint Cerf*. The day-long event will be webcast via the *Internet Society Livestream Channel <https://livestream.com/internetsociety2/riddeurope>*. Brussels is UTC+1 = 6 hours ahead of NYC *What: Europe Regional Internet and Development Dialogue 2017 <https://www.internetsociety.org/events/ridd/europe/2017/>Where: Brussels, BelgiumWhen: 9:30am-5pm | 08:30-16:00 UTCAgenda: https://www.internetsociety.org/events/ridd/europe/2017/agenda <https://www.internetsociety.org/events/ridd/europe/2017/agenda>Webcast: https://livestream.com/internetsociety2/riddeurope <https://livestream.com/internetsociety2/riddeurope>Twitter: #RIDD http://bit.ly/2zpktpv <http://bit.ly/2zpktpv>* Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/9554#respond> See all comments <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/9554#comments> *Permalink* http://isoc-ny.org/p2/9554 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- -

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Godaddy & ICANN Compliance: Port 43 whois
by Derek Smythe Nov. 5, 2017

Nov. 5, 2017

An edited version of a post I made on the APWG. Certain parts have been redacted to protect innocent victims. The rest is topical here. Certain parties at Godaddy were copied on the original. ============================================================== I'm not sure if here is anybody on list that can address this issue. I have lodged an ICANN complaint on it, but this is extremely topical in doing what we do, fighting fraud as this affects each of us. So I'll share: http://blog.aa419.org/2017/09/08/an-open-letter-to-godaddy-whois-service/#O… I have reached out to folks in other communities fighting abuse. The issue is global and complaints are sandbagged. To show what a harmful effect this has: Consider bogus courier (removed - revealing this leads to innocent victims losing their privacy) This domain is being used in international fraud targeting companies and consumers by an international Cameroonian syndicate. While local distinct members have been identified in law enforcement related operations, this blew into the international sphere. Many domains in this syndicate have been documented, all evidence fully captured for LE, in ongoing efforts since Thursday evening. A glimpse: http://www.angloamericanplatinum.com/media/press-releases/2016/17-11-2016.a… We were working hard at this, when we hit (removed-domain) on Godaddy - a simple issue of not being able to capture a "standards compliant" port 43 whois output format, something supposedly well defined as per ICANN policy that should be available, yet this became a time wasting stumbling block. It took me about 2 hours to get a usable format of whois for this domain. That's how stupid it gets ... (removed-domain) has been scamming and piling up victim companies and consumers since 2016. The targets (each separate) are in: 2016: Vietnam - 1 ton of waste paper Malaysia- 1 ton of waste paper USA - 100 GRAM Discrete parcel (Drug scam?) USA - 300 Kg lobster tail USA - 1.35 tons of skin care products Armenia - 1 ton nuts Thailand - 20ft container of seafood 2017: Ukraine - 5kg Wooden pellets Russia - 2500 reams of paper * Brussels - 2 x 40ft containers of wooden pellets USA - not much info, except from somebody selling "Legal Marijuana". USA - 1 oz purple kush India - 18 tons (20ft container) of ??? Turkey - 50 tons of old newspapers India - 25 tons of waste corrugated paperboard Dubai - 2kgs of red lentils, chick peas, mung beans USA - 50kg crayfish USA - Yacht Saudi Arabia - 10kgs round mullet Fiji - 5 cartons of BIC gas lighters, 1000 pcs/carton India - 2600 reams of paper * * https://www.doubleapaper.com/nl/fraud-alert Each scam leads to another fake supplier and more of these fake couriers. This is akin to "How long is a piece of string?". So now that we know how this $3 bill domain is being abused, we look at it's whois after much effort at getting it only to find another domain attributable to the same party, but suddenly in Thailand, shut down for involvement in paper scams. (removed-domain states an Indian address) While there is "so much concern for the privacy" of the owners of (removed-domain), the owners of this domain do not have any problem trivially leaking personal details of their targets onto the web. Simply search for (removed) and follow the directory up ... enough said. It's also the last issue on tel nr (removed), that leads to alerts such as: https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/pubs/pressreleases/extortion_scam.htm I hope this sheds some light on which fight being fought by very few volunteers, is being hampered by ill advised non-policy conforming registrars blocking of whois details. It's not always LE that opens the "can of worms". LE deals with the result (hopefully) once it's made clear it is a "can of worms". But if LE is not shown the evidence and relevance, they have nothing to go on and it did not happen. Yet tell that to these parties targeted and exposed internationally. Sadly most such cases gather dust at local police stations or like. Yet the victim may be a mom-and-pop shop business, the livelihood of the owners and all associated with them destroyed by the scam. Privacy and protecting privacy is a delicate balancing act between protection and disclosure, very ill understood. I had some discussions with numerous expert who failed to understand how due diligence down to whois level protects all. In this case I used the loan scam nest from Benin as an example. Whois details were vital to untangling this nest and mess. They were either shocked or did a quick pass-the-buck exercise. Luckily EU Registrars did a stellar job mitigating the Benin nest, devastating it. But what about next time? I shudder to think we encounter such a nest on Godaddy. =============================== Hopefully this makes the people here think of exactly what effect whois, or the inability of obtaining whois details, has in a real world environment. Sweeping problematic whois under the carpet of blanket privacy in an environment where policies are weakly enforced, is a recipe for a bloodbath. We're already seeing the effects at one such US registrar who have become the go-to registrar for badness in the domain space. Derek Smythe Artists Against 419 http://www.aa419.org

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Weekly posting summary for at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by narten＠us.ibm.com Nov. 3, 2017

Nov. 3, 2017

Total of 9 messages in the last 7 days. script run at: Fri Nov 3 00:53:03 EDT 2017 Messages | Bytes | Who --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 22.22% | 2 | 35.96% | 127432 | salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com 22.22% | 2 | 23.09% | 81827 | sala at pasifikanexus.nu 11.11% | 1 | 20.33% | 72026 | vanda at scartezini.org 11.11% | 1 | 9.21% | 32655 | joly at punkcast.com 11.11% | 1 | 5.29% | 18741 | carlton.samuels at gmail.com 11.11% | 1 | 3.25% | 11524 | narten at us.ibm.com 11.11% | 1 | 2.87% | 10163 | derek at aa419.org --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 100.00% | 9 |100.00% | 354368 | Total

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Petscams and domains
by Derek Smythe Nov. 2, 2017

Nov. 2, 2017

Worthwhile sharing as this touches on the heart of published ICANN policies: https://wtop.com/animals-pets/2017/10/delta-probe-uncovers-criminal-scheme-… This investigation will lead to mass abuse of domains, used to defraud thousands of people. Steve Baker of the US Better Business Bureau also did an international investigation and uncovered a massive can of worms. He addressed the pet scam side of it here: https://www.bbb.org/puppyscam/ Essentially the pet scam has trashed the legitimate portion of the pet sales sector of the internet. This despite the relevant registrars being made aware of the malicious domains with fake registration details and/or proxy abuse. It even led to one unsuccessful Compliance complaint, not really looked at by Compliance and closed where the registrar blatantly lied to protect themselves, despite whois data clearly belying said registrar's claims of innocence. If certain registrars had really applied policies and lived up to it, we would not have seen the scourge of illegal activities and gross violation of third party rights in actionable harm. Derek Smythe Artists Against 419 http://www.aa419.org

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GNSO New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG Face-to-Face Session II - Work Track 5 on Geographic Names at the Top Level
by Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro Nov. 1, 2017

Nov. 1, 2017

- Event Feed - [image: user.profile.name] Profile <https://meetingapp.icann.org/icann60/user/edit> - UPCOMING SCHEDULE - Joint Meeting: ICANN Board & ASO/NRO in 3 hours *Hall 4 <https://meetingapp.icann.org/icann60/agenda/278774/1366976> - At-Large APRALO General Assembly Part 1 in 3 hours *Hall B, Sec. A (ALAC) <https://meetingapp.icann.org/icann60/agenda/278774/1367074> - GNSO-Registries Stakeholder Group (RySG) Geo TLD Group Sharing Session in 3 hours Capital Suite 14 <https://meetingapp.icann.org/icann60/agenda/278774/1367046> - GNSO New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG Face-to-Face Session II - Work Track 5 on Geographic Names at the Top Level in 3 hours *Hall B, Sec. B/C (GNSO) <https://meetingapp.icann.org/icann60/agenda/278774/1366920> YOUR FAVORITESSchedule <https://meetingapp.icann.org/icann60/agenda/list/user/day>Sponsors <https://meetingapp.icann.org/icann60/companies/user>Notes <https://meetingapp.icann.org/icann60/user/notes>Documents <https://meetingapp.icann.org/icann60/documents/user>Messages <https://meetingapp.icann.org/icann60/chat_inbox> Log Out GNSO New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG Face-to-Face Session II - Work Track 5 on Geographic Names at the Top Level DATE & TIME Wednesday, November 1 08:30 - 12:00 LOCATION *Hall B, Sec. B/C (GNSO) <https://meetingapp.icann.org/icann60/maps/278784/32879/session/1366920> TRACKS - Working Group / Review Team <https://meetingapp.icann.org/icann60/agenda/278774/groups/282582> - GNSO (Generic Names Supporting Organization) <https://meetingapp.icann.org/icann60/agenda/278774/groups/282588> Remove From Your Schedule Add Your Notes Tweet about this session <https://twitter.com/share?text=I%27m%20attending%20GNSO%20New%20gTLD%20Subs…> DESCRIPTION GNSO New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group Face-to-Face Meeting: This is a face-to-face meeting of the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group’s Work Track 5 on Geographic Names at the Top Level. This PDP Working Group is tasked with calling upon the community’s collective experiences from the 2012 round of the New gTLD Program to determine what, if any changes may need to be made to the existing oNew gTLD policy recommendations from 8 August 2007. Those who are interested in providing their input into new gTLD policy recommendations for subsequent procedures are encouraged to attend. Wiki agenda page: https://community.icann.org/x/qCIhB - Staff Leader: Steve Chan Staff Facilitator: Emily Barabas PARTICIPATION LINKS Adobe Connect Link: https://participate.icann.org/abu60-hallbc English Audio Stream: http://stream.icann.org:8000/abu60-hallbc-en.m3u On 31 Oct 2017 13:38, "Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro" <sala(a)pasifikanexus.nu> wrote: Dear All, 1. Noting that the WT5 Track is on November 1 and post Tatiana's call on the NCSG listserv for those who are interested to join the discussions, I signed up. 2. There is no archived mailing list as the work of the WT5 will commence on the November 1. I also sought clarification from Martin, the co-chair of the WT5 where there were any archived discussions with which to catch up on. 3. A friend on the GAC recently posted a picture at Abu Dhabi stating that the GAC had published another consensus statement on the AMAZON. I am still waiting to see the actual published statement. 4. In any event, noting that the WT5 will seek to focus on *the treatment of geographical names at the Top Level.* 5. Below in "blue" is the first email, I sent the Mailing List on WT5. All discussions are archived and publicly available via http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5/ <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5/> 6. Given that November 1, 2017 is almost at the door, I decided to send the email and to also show you a "copy" of what I sent. 7. If from my list, you feel that there are other things, I should read up on, that transpired, please let me know. 8. I would also be interested to see previous ALAC statements on the "geographical names" issue, or perhaps you could point me to a link and I could browse through. [Dev and Carlton???] Feel free to email me off list. Dear All, Warm Greetings from Fiji! I trust that you are all well at the ICANN 60 meeting in Abu Dhabi. I note that there is a meeting on November, 1st for Work Track 5 (WT5) of the GNSO Subsequent Procedures PDP WG. Thank you Martin for opening the call for Volunteers in your capacity as co-Leader for WT5. As a matter of introduction, my name is Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro and usually called Sala. Many years ago, I served on the ALAC. I am a member of the At Large Community by virtue of my membership of two accredited At Large Organizations one an ISOC Chapter and the other the South Pacific Computer Society. I am also a member of the Non Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG). I currently serve on the Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) that assists the IGF Secretariat and Host Governments in convening the Internet Governance Forums. 1. I come with an open mind to learn from each of you on the Track and also to exchange views and seek ways to focus on the treatment of geographic names at the top-level. 2. I was wondering what subsequently transpired following the* Independent Review * ICDR No. 01-16-0000-7056 in July 2017 via International Dispute Resolution between Amazon and ICANN, post the Review <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irp-amazon-final-declaration-11…> . 3. Noting the ICANN Board Resolution <https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2017-09-23-en#2.e> on the 23rd of September, 2017 and the Resolution Text <https://features.icann.org/consideration-amazon-eu-s%C3%A0rl-v-icann-indepe…> . 4. Historical Overview <http://aodigitalhub.com/2017/10/23/icann-reconsider-amazon-domain-applicati…> by David Stone on the Amazon saga. 5. Noting that one of the pillars and core of Amazon's Argument lies in the interpretation of the TRIPS Agreement where they argue that there can be no "false claims" to geographical names. 6. Clearly, there are many things to learn from each other in the Work Track, noting that interest in this topic and divergent views express across the ICANN community. 7. On this list, I personally do not represent the views of the constituencies, I belong to and so the views expressed in this Track will largely be my personal views unless otherwise expressed. Community views obviously will need endorsement from within the communities. 8. I am looking forward to the calls and dialogue that will focus on the treatment of geographic names on the top level. 9. If there are any key things I have missed that you think would be worth reading, please let me know. 10. Have a good day or evening wherever in the world you are. :) Kind Regards, Sala Many thanks, Sala -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro Director Pasifika Nexus P.O Box 17862 Suva *FIJI* Cell: +679 7656770 Tel: +679 3362003 <+679%20336%202003> E: sala(a)pasifikanexus.nu Website: www.pasifikanexus.nu

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