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Re: [At-Large] [ALAC-Internal] Notice of Opening for Board Liaison Nominations Period
by Annette Muehlberg June 24, 2008

June 24, 2008

I second Wendy`s nomination too. Izumi, I agree, that one year is not enough and we should avoid further loss of knowledge and experience. I would like to underline, speaking from an ALAC and a regional perspective, that Wendy has been a great support for our work, giving insights and contributions and supporting outreach on our regional level. best greetings Annette > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Izumi AIZU" <iza(a)anr.org> > Gesendet: 24.06.08 12:32:36 > An: "Alan Greenberg" <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> > CC: ALAC internal list <alac-internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, At-Large writ small <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Betreff: Re: [ALAC-Internal] [At-Large] Notice of Opening for Board Liaison Nominations Period > I second Alan's nomination for Wendy, taking the lesson from > the last election in which we had to replace our able liaison > within 1 year. One year is not enough. > > izumi > > 2008/6/3 Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca>: > > I nominate Wendy Seltzer. > > > > Alan > > > > At 02/06/2008 08:14 AM, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: > >>Notice to: At-Large, ALS, RALO and ALAC Members. > >> > >>As required by Rule 9 of the Rules of Procedure of the At-Large Advisory > >>Committee, I hereby (at 1200 UTC on June 2nd 2008), open the nominations for > >>the position of the At-Large Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors. The > >>successful candidate will serve in this position from the end of the 2008 > >>ICANN Annual General Meeting, for a period of one (1) year. > >> > >>Nominations will close at 1800 UTC fourteen (14) days from today, 16th > >>June, 2008, and must be sent to the Public ALAC list. > >> > >>Nominees are required, per Rule 9.3, to accept their nomination (also to the > >>Public list) not less than seven (7) days from the close of nominations, or > >>1800 UTC on 23rd June, 2008. > >> > >>I shall announce the opening and closing dates and times for the votes, with > >>an "election summary and election call message to the Public List", > >>subsequent to June 23rd. > >> > >>Rules relating to this position include:- > >> > >>4.4 All liaisons serve for a term of one year starting from the > >>closure of an Annual General Meeting and ending at the closure of the > >>following Annual General Meeting. > >> > >>4.5 Liaisons shall be freely chosen by the ALAC, according to the > >>following criteria: > >> > >>4.6 They shall normally be persons who are current or former members > >>of the ALAC, or are anyway familiar with the activities and functioning of > >>ICANN and of the ALAC; > >> > >>4.7 They shall accept to serve on behalf of the AT LARGE COMMUNITY by > >>acting for the good of the entire Committee, working to bridge differences > >>and build consensus, but also recognizing difference and enabling different > >>opinions to be shared; > >> > >>4.8 They shall accept, while acting in their capacity as ALAC > >>representative, to put the collective views of the ALAC, always, in front of > >>their own. > >> > >> > >> > >> The complete Qualification Criteria found in Rules 4 and 5 of the Rules of > >>Procedure found at > >><https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi/ALAC%20ROP's%20Adopted%20October%202007 > >>.doc?action=attachments_download;page_name=rules_of_procedure;id=20071023183 > >>147-0-6223> > >>https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi/ALAC%20ROP's%20Adopted%20October%202007. > >>doc?action=attachments_download;page_name=rules_of_procedure;id=200710231831 > >>47-0-6223. > >> > >> > >> > >>Regards, > >> > >> > >> > >>Cheryl Langdon-Orr > >> > >>ALAC Chair, 2007-2008 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>ALAC mailing list > >>ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> > >>At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ALAC mailing list > > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > > > > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita > Kumon Center, Tama University, Tokyo > Japan > * * * * * > << Writing the Future of the History >> > www.anr.org > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC-Internal mailing list > ALAC-Internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-internal_atlarge-lists… > > ALAC Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac > At-Large Website: http://atlarge.icann.org > --

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Notice of Opening for Board Liaison Nominations Period
by Cheryl Langdon-Orr June 24, 2008

June 24, 2008

Notice to: At-Large, ALS, RALO and ALAC Members. As required by Rule 9 of the Rules of Procedure of the At-Large Advisory Committee, I hereby (at 1200 UTC on June 2nd 2008), open the nominations for the position of the At-Large Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors. The successful candidate will serve in this position from the end of the 2008 ICANN Annual General Meeting, for a period of one (1) year. Nominations will close at 1800 UTC fourteen (14) days from today, 16th June, 2008, and must be sent to the Public ALAC list. Nominees are required, per Rule 9.3, to accept their nomination (also to the Public list) not less than seven (7) days from the close of nominations, or 1800 UTC on 23rd June, 2008. I shall announce the opening and closing dates and times for the votes, with an "election summary and election call message to the Public List", subsequent to June 23rd. Rules relating to this position include:- 4.4 All liaisons serve for a term of one year starting from the closure of an Annual General Meeting and ending at the closure of the following Annual General Meeting. 4.5 Liaisons shall be freely chosen by the ALAC, according to the following criteria: 4.6 They shall normally be persons who are current or former members of the ALAC, or are anyway familiar with the activities and functioning of ICANN and of the ALAC; 4.7 They shall accept to serve on behalf of the AT LARGE COMMUNITY by acting for the good of the entire Committee, working to bridge differences and build consensus, but also recognizing difference and enabling different opinions to be shared; 4.8 They shall accept, while acting in their capacity as ALAC representative, to put the collective views of the ALAC, always, in front of their own. The complete Qualification Criteria found in Rules 4 and 5 of the Rules of Procedure found at <https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi/ALAC%20ROP's%20Adopted%20October%202007 .doc?action=attachments_download;page_name=rules_of_procedure;id=20071023183 147-0-6223> https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi/ALAC%20ROP's%20Adopted%20October%202007. doc?action=attachments_download;page_name=rules_of_procedure;id=200710231831 47-0-6223. Regards, Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Chair, 2007-2008

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Re: [At-Large] Notice of Opening for Board Liaison Nominations Period
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 24, 2008

June 24, 2008

All, I also nominate Wendy Seltzer, and/or second Alans nominations of Wendy. -----Original Message----- >From: Wendy Seltzer <wendy(a)seltzer.com> >Sent: Jun 23, 2008 1:37 AM >To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca>, At-Large <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Cc: ALAC internal list <alac-internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Notice of Opening for Board Liaison Nominations Period > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Thank you Alan, I would be pleased to continue to serve the At-Large. > >- --Wendy > >Alan Greenberg wrote: >> I nominate Wendy Seltzer. >> >> Alan >> >> At 02/06/2008 08:14 AM, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: >>> Notice to: At-Large, ALS, RALO and ALAC Members. >>> >>> As required by Rule 9 of the Rules of Procedure of the At-Large Advisory >>> Committee, I hereby (at 1200 UTC on June 2nd 2008), open the nominations for >>> the position of the At-Large Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors. The >>> successful candidate will serve in this position from the end of the 2008 >>> ICANN Annual General Meeting, for a period of one (1) year. >>> >>> Nominations will close at 1800 UTC fourteen (14) days from today, 16th >>> June, 2008, and must be sent to the Public ALAC list. >>> >>> Nominees are required, per Rule 9.3, to accept their nomination (also to the >>> Public list) not less than seven (7) days from the close of nominations, or >>> 1800 UTC on 23rd June, 2008. >>> >>> I shall announce the opening and closing dates and times for the votes, with >>> an "election summary and election call message to the Public List", >>> subsequent to June 23rd. >>> >>> Rules relating to this position include:- >>> >>> 4.4 All liaisons serve for a term of one year starting from the >>> closure of an Annual General Meeting and ending at the closure of the >>> following Annual General Meeting. >>> >>> 4.5 Liaisons shall be freely chosen by the ALAC, according to the >>> following criteria: >>> >>> 4.6 They shall normally be persons who are current or former members >>> of the ALAC, or are anyway familiar with the activities and functioning of >>> ICANN and of the ALAC; >>> >>> 4.7 They shall accept to serve on behalf of the AT LARGE COMMUNITY by >>> acting for the good of the entire Committee, working to bridge differences >>> and build consensus, but also recognizing difference and enabling different >>> opinions to be shared; >>> >>> 4.8 They shall accept, while acting in their capacity as ALAC >>> representative, to put the collective views of the ALAC, always, in front of >>> their own. >>> >>> >>> >>> The complete Qualification Criteria found in Rules 4 and 5 of the Rules of >>> Procedure found at >>> <https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi/ALAC%20ROP's%20Adopted%20October%202007 >>> .doc?action=attachments_download;page_name=rules_of_procedure;id=20071023183 >>> 147-0-6223> >>> https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi/ALAC%20ROP's%20Adopted%20October%202007. >>> doc?action=attachments_download;page_name=rules_of_procedure;id=200710231831 >>> 47-0-6223. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr >>> >>> ALAC Chair, 2007-2008 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ALAC mailing list >>> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> >>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >> > > >- -- >Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org >Visiting Professor, Northeastern University School of Law >Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society >http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html >http://www.chillingeffects.org/ >https://www.torproject.org/ >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >iD8DBQFIX2DFuuui10VsrVERAhJzAJ0cQqGfNaUucEVayyRjde5ngY7DTwCfZPCA >DVL+KfEljgtAiEsL0zjVW/8= >=spLW >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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[Fwd: Re: [ga] BBC article]
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 24, 2008

June 24, 2008

All, FYI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [ga] BBC article Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:34:20 -0700 From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com> Organization: IDNS and Spokesman for INEGroup To: chris(a)seo.pn CC: Richard Henderson <richardhenderson(a)ntlworld.com>, ga(a)icann.org References: <000601c8d644$51076b20$0301a8c0@dell9bab70212c> <01ea01c8d64a$36464d00$0201a8c0@namecritic> Chris and all, There should never have been any restriction on any string as a TLD from being created. There should be restrictions in how that TLD registry can behave and registrars in how they manage registrations. ICANN's only other role is in regards to the use of Domain Names that act in an abusive manner if what is abusive is clearly defined and made part of the RAA contracts in a clear and concise manner. This article has some bothersome information provided in quotes from Mr. Twomey whom seem still rather ignorant as to how the Internet actually works in regards to the DNS vis vi IP address translation and how Domain Names can and are now being used to commit criminal activity largely as a result of lack of oversight by Registries and ICANN itself. Domain name hijacking and reverse Domain Name hijacking as well as "Zombieing" of domain names for various nefarious purposes are increasing exponentially largely to poor stuartship by ICANN and the Registries. What also amazed me in a way was the deflection answer Mr. Twomey gave in regards to the .XXX GTLD. chris(a)seo.pn wrote: > I like this part; The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and > Numbers (Icann), which acts as a sort of regulator for the net as well > as overseeing the domain name system, has been working towards opening > up net addresses for the last three years.What sort of regulator? > > The move could yet be blocked as the independent arbitration panel can > reject domains based on "morality or public order" grounds. > > How will the independent arbitrators be chosen? > > While companies will be able to secure domain names based on their > intellectual property easily, some domain names could become subject > to contention and a bidding war. Dr Twomey said: "If there is a > dispute, we will try and get the parties together to work it out. But > if that fails there will be an auction and the domain will go to the > highest bidder." > > What happened to first-come first-served? Does this mean that current > tld holders in other roots will have to bid on their own tlds they > created long before this, in anticipation of this very thing > happening? Is ICANN lining things up to repeat the dot biz fiasco > where any company with a lot of money can just steal already owned > TLDs? > > Chris McElroy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Henderson > To: ga(a)icann.org > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:50 PM > Subject: [ga] BBC article > Would anyone like to evaluate this news article form the > BBC in > UK? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7468855.stm Basically, > has the reporter summarised an accurate picture of what > ICANN is committing to bring into effect? best > wishes, Richard Henderson > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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ICANN Asked To Shut Down "Worst" Chinese Registrar
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 24, 2008

June 24, 2008

All, Seems ICANN's review process of non-US registrars has shown some weaknessess and lack of good a proper oversight. Only the "Worst" Chinese registrars?! Hummmm? Anti-spam service Knujon has released reports highlighting how certain registrars in the US and abroad have consistently failed to live up to certain WHOIS-related obligations under ICANN's Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA) specifically, the http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/05/most_spam_sites_tied_to_… requirement that people or company registering domains provide valid contact information. Now the firm is http://www.thestandard.com/Will-ICANN-take-action-against-worst-Chinese-reg… requesting that ICANN shut down the worst alleged offender, Xinnet Bei Gong Da Software. According to Knujon, none of the WHOIS records in a sample of 11,000 alleged spam sites registered through Xinnet and reported by Knujon to ICANN's Whois Data Problem Report System were corrected in a six-month period ending in May 2008 and the Chinese registrar continues to register about 100 spam sites per day. In many cases, http://weblog.infoworld.com/stratdev/archives/XinNet_failuretocomply.pdf says the Knujon document (PDF), Xinnet does not have 'any Whois record data for review while the sites are still active' and the spam sites further promote 'seal abuse' by posting bogus BBB, Verisign, and other trusted industry seals. ICANN says it is investigating. ICANN has just posted a http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-18jun08-en.htm draft revised RAA that is open for public comment until August 4. However, the wording of Section 3.7.8, governing registrars' obligations to check and correct domain owners' contact information, hasn't changed. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Bulgaria moves to register Cyrillic Internet domain
by Dessi Pefeva June 24, 2008

June 24, 2008

I am happy to announce that the Bulgarian government has shown officially its intent to register the .?? (.bg in Cyrillic) domain. They did it in a letter, sent yesterday to ICANN's President Paul Twomey. This is due also thanks to the efforts of ISOC-Bulgaria. Bulgarian President, Prime Minister, Foreign Minister, and the Minister of ITC are all members of ISOC. They have talked on a number of times in the past six months with ISOC.bg on these issues. Obviously the conversations have been fruitful. See more information here: http://uk.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUKL2360195920080623 And this is the official press-release from the ITC Agency: Bulgaria has requested the registration of a Cyrillic top level domain (TLD) from _ICANN_ <http://www.icann.org/>. The letter from the chairman of the Bulgarian State Agency for Information Technologies and Communicatoins (_SAITC_ <http://www.daits.government.bg/>) Plamen Vatchkov to the president of ICANN Paul Twomey was delivered today, June 23^rd , 2008, in Paris via the Bulgarian representative to the Governmental Advisory Committee of ICANN, and was distributed for information only in Geneva where the ITU is headquartered. Thus Bulgaria requested the fast track for implementation of its own Cyrillic IDNs. In the letter to the ICANN President, the SAITC chairman informs the authoritative international organization, dealing with assigned names and numbers, that Bulgaria has decided to register and maintain the country code .?? (bg in Cyrillic) Further in the letter, SAITC chairman informs that the discussion on using Cyrillic domain names was initiated by the President of Bulgaria Georgi Parvanov during the visit of the Russian President Putin and the then vice-prime minister, and now President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev during their visit in January 2008 in Sofia. The question was also discussed during meetings of Bulgarian Prime Minister Sergei Stanishev with the Russian counterparts, as well as during talks between foreign ministers Ivailo Kalfin and Sergei Lavrov. Last week, Russian President Medvedev announced in Moscow, that the issue of Cyrillic domain names is an important one, and on his political agenda. "We believe that the initiative, which we discussed with our Russian friends in the last months, is a clear fact about the importance which Bulgaria has in the world Internet. It is an example not only about the historical meaning of the Cyrillic alphabet in the world arena, but also about the fact that through Bulgaria it became an official alphabet of the European Union. By sending this letter to Dr. Twomey -- ICANN's president and my friend, SAITC expresses not only the wish, but the readiness to put the Cyrillic IDNs on the Internet map", says Plamen Vatchkov. "There's nothing more natural than the proposed domain to be the country code, which is already known and accepted in the country itself. Creating domains in scripts, different from the Latin, is the next big step in the development of the Internet, which will allow millions of people who don't use English to have easier access to the Global Net resources". SAITC is organizing a meeting later this year in Sofia, where all countries, using Cyrillic will be invited - Belarus, Bulgaria, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Macedonia, Mongolia, Russia, Serbia, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Ukraine. The meeting will be dedicated to discussion about IDNs. for more information: Press Center phone +359-2-9492368 "Ekaterina Popova" <epopova(a)daits.government.bg <mailto:epopova@daits.government.bg>> /Ms. Dessi Pefeva, Internet Society - Bulgaria/

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Marshall Islands internet service disrupted by botnet attack
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 24, 2008

June 24, 2008

All, Durring the Paris meeting seems that Internet security is failing... http://www.circleid.com/posts/cyberattack_marshall_islands_email/ http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080624/tc_afp/marshallsinternet_080624104236 > Email communication in the Marshall Islands was paralysed Tuesday after > hackers launched a "zombie" computer attack on the western Pacific > nation's only Internet service provider, AFP reports. The attack > started early Tuesday, in which hackers used zombie computers to flood > country's only Internet service provider with spam emails, causing > a complete shutdown of email traffic into the nation of around 55,000 > people. There are some ideas in http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/cyb/cybersecurity/projects/botnet.html that can help, to some extent. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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FW: interesting link on Icann
by Thompson, Darlene June 23, 2008

June 23, 2008

Hi all, Below is a link to the article that came out today on new gTLDs. Its not totally accurate but here it is. D ________________________________ From: Bev [mailto:bev@pcna.ca] Sent: Mon 6/23/2008 5:03 PM To: Thompson, Darlene; 'Gareth Shearman' Subject: interesting link on Icann http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7468855.stm <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7468855.stm>

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gtld procedure and morality and public order
by Annette Muehlberg June 23, 2008

June 23, 2008

hi, this might be helpful to understand the gtld procedure (and our trouble with the category of morality and public order). http://gnso.icann.org/correspondence/gtld-process-simplified-10apr08.pdf best annette

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Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 22, 2008

June 22, 2008

Dominik, Evan, and all, I understood that the context to which you refer Dominik is one possible meaning. But not the only one. Still, my questions stand as relevant in any context, which is why I posed them in the manner in which I did. Users can only represent themselves as whom and what they are in the manner they are most familier with even if that manner is offensive to other users irrespective of context. Parsing or attributing context to a particular meaning in any language can be difficult, often misunderstood, and frequently malinged improperly. -----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Sent: Jun 22, 2008 6:53 AM >To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com>, alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review > >Jeff, > >Evan's wording is ok. I see it in the context 'what would happen if' in >connection with other posts on this thread. > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeffrey A. Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:09 AM >To: Dominik Filipp; alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Cc: NA Discuss >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review > >Dominik and all, > > I am not sure how the summit organizers could endanger the ALAC or the >RALO's any worse than they have endangered themselves already. I am >also clearly sure the statement on the ALAC review is significantly >flawed as to user participation and representation on the ICANN Bod as >it does not reflect the known users desires and reasonable rights via >the OECD declaration posted earlier, nor accomplish ICANN's mission re >the MOU. > >Again for OECD declaration see: >http://thepublicvoice.org/events/seoul08/seoul-declaration.pdf >Note: I and our members fully support the principals of this declaration >and believe that it largely can and should apply to ICANN. > > Further I am more than a bit baffled by Evan's meaning by stating >"improper comments by some individuals". What "improper comments by >some individuals" is he referring to, and how could their be such >statements in the first place, unless he is just stating his own >personal opinion as if it were gospel or even actually authoritative to >stakeholder/users everywhere, which obviously such cannot be true? >Evan, can you clarify please? Please bare in mind that if you answer >directly, and regardless of your answer, casting false aspersions upon >others, however indirectly, is in and of itself often times considered >"improper" or not "appropriate" in legal parlance. >And if done so publicly is considered civil defamation. > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >>Sent: Jun 22, 2008 1:02 AM >>To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >>Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review >> >>Evan, >> >>I am not suggesting anything about At-Large itself let alone the >>importance of the summit. >> >>The only thing I am sugesting is a view how the summit organizers who >>could 'endager' the summit are looking at At-Large. That is what I have >>understood from the remark. >> >>To clarify my point further I am appending another remark from the post >> >>"the ensuing reaction to the report, might be grounds for staff and >>board to rethink support for the summit at this time" >> >>I am optimistic :-) >> >>Dominik >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] >>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:48 AM >>To: Dominik Filipp >>Cc: Robert Guerra; NA Discuss >>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review >> >>Dominik Filipp wrote: >>>> that being that a negative response by At-large to the review could >>>> endanger the summit being ok'd >>>> >>> >>> Does it mean if At-Large baby will not be obedient it will be >>punished? >>> If so, I would then fully understand why the ALAC voted as it voted. >>> >>I think it is grossly unfair to suggest that most of the people here >are >>acting this way. Some of the stronger supporters of strong NARALO >>naction on this issue have also been key organizers of the Summit. >> >>IMO the Summit is a *necessary* activity of ICANN if it is to prove to >>outsiders (and especially the US government) that it at least is >>minimally serious about multi stakeholder involvement. If they can the >>Summit because of improper comments by some individuals, well than that >>doubly proves that ICANN does not really care about having an educated >>and active At-Large. I prefer to stay optimistic until proven >otherwise. >> >>- Evan >> >> >>------ >>NA-Discuss mailing list >>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-list >s.icann.org >> >>Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>------ > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) 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