- At-Large - lists.icann.org

Re: [At-Large] ICANN meeting reform
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 10, 2008

June 10, 2008

Joly, Kieren and all, I don't know what the ability of ISOC-NY is for doing what I suggest on a global basis with multipul interoperative participation sites. But I am reasonably sure that C-Span, Turner, and perhaps Skype could together or in the case of Turner, do so rather nicely independantly. Skype may not be able to scale or have the flexable resources necessary independantly. I believe if ICANN ask ( Keiren ? ) Turner or had perhaps Vint Cerf contact George Soros, his old buddy get in touch with Ted Turner, this could be arranged. My point was ICANN should make this a common part of their preparations for every ICANN meeting well in advance. -----Original Message----- >From: WWWhatsup <joly(a)punkcast.com> >Sent: Jun 10, 2008 8:38 PM >To: Kieren McCarthy <kieren.mccarthy(a)icann.org> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN meeting reform > >There are several free video streaming + chat options that could give >some degree of participation. > >At isoc-ny we have used ustream.tv for our most recent public forum. > >Don't I recall Berkman operating some system at earlier meets? > >Joly > >http://isoc-ny.org > > > > > >At 19:46 2008-06-10, Kieren McCarthy wrote: >>I have to call you on that one Jeff. >> >>You give me the name and the phone number for someone that would be willing to provide the remote participation you suggest for no cost or low cost, and I promise you I will call them that very day and talk to them about the Cairo meeting in November. >> >> >> >>Kieren McCarthy >> >>General manager of public participation, ICANN >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey A. Williams >>Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:40 PM >>To: Brendler,Beau; At-Large Worldwide >>Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN meeting reform >> >>Beau and all, >> >> It has seems to me and all of our members for a number >>of years now, and almost sense the founding of ICANN, that >>ICANN meetings should all be avaliable to the extent possible >>to all whom would wish to participate but are unable to >>physically attend via satalite link and as many downlink >>locations throughout the globe as possible. I am sure and >>have been assured by a number of main stream media sources >>that such capability would and could be made avaliable >>if advance notice were provided by ICANN and a no-cost of >>low cost basis. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe(a)consumer.org> >>>Sent: Jun 10, 2008 11:43 AM >>>To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>Subject: [At-Large] ICANN meeting reform >>> >>>I imagine many of you have seen this. What do you think? Seems to me >>>that the RALOs and ALAC should register an official opinion on this, >>>probably in Paris. The report's also kind of an interesting read. >>> >>>Beau Brendler >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: ICANN News Alert [mailto:communications@icann.org] >>>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:05 PM >>>To: Brendler, Beau >>>Subject: ICANN News Alert -- Consultation on Proposals to Reform ICANN >>>Meetings >>> >>>ICANN News Alert >>>http://icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-09jun08-en.htm >>> >>>________________________________ >>>Consultation on Proposals to Reform ICANN Meetings >>>9 June 2008 >>> >>>At its meeting on May 29, 2008 the Board agreed to the release of a >>>paper on the reform of ICANN meetings that has been prepared by staff. >>> >>>The paper >>>(http://icann.org/en/meetings/meetings-reform-discussion-paper-16may08-e >>>n.pdf) asks the community to consider changes to the number of meetings >>>that ICANN holds and the location. >>> >>>To allow for better planning and economy, the paper asks the community >>>to consider that the number of meetings be reduced from three to two per >>>year. It is proposed that this change would commence from 2010. >>> >>>The paper also proposes that one of the two meetings be held in >>>locations that are transport hubs. The locations would need to be the >>>subject of a separate consultation, but would be rotated through the >>>existing ICANN predetermined regions. >>> >>>There has not been substantive change to meetings processes or the >>>frequency of the meetings since the organization's inception. The >>>purpose of this paper is to encourage debate on any matters to do with >>>meetings that the community may wish to raise, but to especially >>>consider issues concerning the frequency of meetings and their location. >>> >>>ICANN welcomes comments from the community on the matters raised in this >>>paper and any other comments that relate to the operation of meetings. >>> >>>In addition to on-line forums, consultations will also be held at the >>>Paris meeting directly with Committees and Councils and there will also >>>be the opportunity to comment via the public forum. >>> >>>*View Meetings Reform Discussion Paper: >>>http://icann.org/en/meetings/meetings-reform-discussion-paper-16may08-en >>>.pdf >>>*Send comments to: meeting-consultation-2008(a)icann.org >>>*View comments at: >>>http://forum.icann.org/lists/meeting-consultation-2008/ >>> >>>________________________________ >>> >>>Sign up for ICANN's Monthly Magazine: http://www.icann.org/magazine/ >>> >>> >>>This message was sent by: ICANN, 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 , Marina >>>del Rey, CA 90292-6601 >>> >>>Powered by iContact: http://freetrial.icontact.com >>> >>>Manage your subscription: >>>http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=10248929&l=6333&s=96FD&m >>>=152911&c=165637 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>*** >>>Scanned >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>ALAC mailing list >>>ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> >>>At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >>Regards, >> >>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) >>"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - >> Abraham Lincoln >> >>"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is >>very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt >> >>"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; >>liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by >>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." >>United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] >>=============================================================== >>Updated 1/26/04 >>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. >>div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. >>ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail >>jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com >>My Phone: 214-244-4827 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>ALAC mailing list >>ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >>At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >>ALAC mailing list >>ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >>At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > WWWhatsup NYC >http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com >--------------------------------------------------------------- > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [At-Large] ICANN meeting reform
by WWWhatsup June 10, 2008

June 10, 2008

There are several free video streaming + chat options that could give some degree of participation. At isoc-ny we have used ustream.tv for our most recent public forum. Don't I recall Berkman operating some system at earlier meets? Joly http://isoc-ny.org At 19:46 2008-06-10, Kieren McCarthy wrote: >I have to call you on that one Jeff. > >You give me the name and the phone number for someone that would be willing to provide the remote participation you suggest for no cost or low cost, and I promise you I will call them that very day and talk to them about the Cairo meeting in November. > > > >Kieren McCarthy > >General manager of public participation, ICANN > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey A. Williams >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:40 PM >To: Brendler,Beau; At-Large Worldwide >Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN meeting reform > >Beau and all, > > It has seems to me and all of our members for a number >of years now, and almost sense the founding of ICANN, that >ICANN meetings should all be avaliable to the extent possible >to all whom would wish to participate but are unable to >physically attend via satalite link and as many downlink >locations throughout the globe as possible. I am sure and >have been assured by a number of main stream media sources >that such capability would and could be made avaliable >if advance notice were provided by ICANN and a no-cost of >low cost basis. > >-----Original Message----- >>From: "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe(a)consumer.org> >>Sent: Jun 10, 2008 11:43 AM >>To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>Subject: [At-Large] ICANN meeting reform >> >>I imagine many of you have seen this. What do you think? Seems to me >>that the RALOs and ALAC should register an official opinion on this, >>probably in Paris. The report's also kind of an interesting read. >> >>Beau Brendler >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: ICANN News Alert [mailto:communications@icann.org] >>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:05 PM >>To: Brendler, Beau >>Subject: ICANN News Alert -- Consultation on Proposals to Reform ICANN >>Meetings >> >>ICANN News Alert >>http://icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-09jun08-en.htm >> >>________________________________ >>Consultation on Proposals to Reform ICANN Meetings >>9 June 2008 >> >>At its meeting on May 29, 2008 the Board agreed to the release of a >>paper on the reform of ICANN meetings that has been prepared by staff. >> >>The paper >>(http://icann.org/en/meetings/meetings-reform-discussion-paper-16may08-e >>n.pdf) asks the community to consider changes to the number of meetings >>that ICANN holds and the location. >> >>To allow for better planning and economy, the paper asks the community >>to consider that the number of meetings be reduced from three to two per >>year. It is proposed that this change would commence from 2010. >> >>The paper also proposes that one of the two meetings be held in >>locations that are transport hubs. The locations would need to be the >>subject of a separate consultation, but would be rotated through the >>existing ICANN predetermined regions. >> >>There has not been substantive change to meetings processes or the >>frequency of the meetings since the organization's inception. The >>purpose of this paper is to encourage debate on any matters to do with >>meetings that the community may wish to raise, but to especially >>consider issues concerning the frequency of meetings and their location. >> >>ICANN welcomes comments from the community on the matters raised in this >>paper and any other comments that relate to the operation of meetings. >> >>In addition to on-line forums, consultations will also be held at the >>Paris meeting directly with Committees and Councils and there will also >>be the opportunity to comment via the public forum. >> >>*View Meetings Reform Discussion Paper: >>http://icann.org/en/meetings/meetings-reform-discussion-paper-16may08-en >>.pdf >>*Send comments to: meeting-consultation-2008(a)icann.org >>*View comments at: >>http://forum.icann.org/lists/meeting-consultation-2008/ >> >>________________________________ >> >>Sign up for ICANN's Monthly Magazine: http://www.icann.org/magazine/ >> >> >>This message was sent by: ICANN, 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 , Marina >>del Rey, CA 90292-6601 >> >>Powered by iContact: http://freetrial.icontact.com >> >>Manage your subscription: >>http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=10248929&l=6333&s=96FD&m >>=152911&c=165637 >> >> >> >> >>*** >>Scanned >> >>_______________________________________________ >>ALAC mailing list >>ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >>At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >Regards, > >Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) >"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - > Abraham Lincoln > >"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is >very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt > >"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; >liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by >P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." >United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] >=============================================================== >Updated 1/26/04 >CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. >div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. >ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail >jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com >My Phone: 214-244-4827 > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org --------------------------------------------------------------- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com ---------------------------------------------------------------

2 1

Re: [At-Large] ICANN meeting reform
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 10, 2008

June 10, 2008

Beau and all, It has seems to me and all of our members for a number of years now, and almost sense the founding of ICANN, that ICANN meetings should all be avaliable to the extent possible to all whom would wish to participate but are unable to physically attend via satalite link and as many downlink locations throughout the globe as possible. I am sure and have been assured by a number of main stream media sources that such capability would and could be made avaliable if advance notice were provided by ICANN and a no-cost of low cost basis. -----Original Message----- >From: "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe(a)consumer.org> >Sent: Jun 10, 2008 11:43 AM >To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [At-Large] ICANN meeting reform > >I imagine many of you have seen this. What do you think? Seems to me >that the RALOs and ALAC should register an official opinion on this, >probably in Paris. The report's also kind of an interesting read. > >Beau Brendler > >-----Original Message----- >From: ICANN News Alert [mailto:communications@icann.org] >Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:05 PM >To: Brendler, Beau >Subject: ICANN News Alert -- Consultation on Proposals to Reform ICANN >Meetings > >ICANN News Alert >http://icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-09jun08-en.htm > >________________________________ >Consultation on Proposals to Reform ICANN Meetings >9 June 2008 > >At its meeting on May 29, 2008 the Board agreed to the release of a >paper on the reform of ICANN meetings that has been prepared by staff. > >The paper >(http://icann.org/en/meetings/meetings-reform-discussion-paper-16may08-e >n.pdf) asks the community to consider changes to the number of meetings >that ICANN holds and the location. > >To allow for better planning and economy, the paper asks the community >to consider that the number of meetings be reduced from three to two per >year. It is proposed that this change would commence from 2010. > >The paper also proposes that one of the two meetings be held in >locations that are transport hubs. The locations would need to be the >subject of a separate consultation, but would be rotated through the >existing ICANN predetermined regions. > >There has not been substantive change to meetings processes or the >frequency of the meetings since the organization's inception. The >purpose of this paper is to encourage debate on any matters to do with >meetings that the community may wish to raise, but to especially >consider issues concerning the frequency of meetings and their location. > >ICANN welcomes comments from the community on the matters raised in this >paper and any other comments that relate to the operation of meetings. > >In addition to on-line forums, consultations will also be held at the >Paris meeting directly with Committees and Councils and there will also >be the opportunity to comment via the public forum. > >*View Meetings Reform Discussion Paper: >http://icann.org/en/meetings/meetings-reform-discussion-paper-16may08-en >.pdf >*Send comments to: meeting-consultation-2008(a)icann.org >*View comments at: >http://forum.icann.org/lists/meeting-consultation-2008/ > >________________________________ > >Sign up for ICANN's Monthly Magazine: http://www.icann.org/magazine/ > > >This message was sent by: ICANN, 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 , Marina >del Rey, CA 90292-6601 > >Powered by iContact: http://freetrial.icontact.com > >Manage your subscription: >http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=10248929&l=6333&s=96FD&m >=152911&c=165637 > > > > >*** >Scanned > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

3 2

Summary Minutes ALAC teleconference 10 June 2008
by At-Large Staff June 10, 2008

June 10, 2008

Dear all, We uploaded the summary minutes, action items and audio recordings for today¹s ALAC teleconference. The summary minutes are also attached below. Besides English, you can also listen to the French and Spanish language recordings. In the future, you wil be able to replay the recordings of all meeting languages. https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?10_june_2008 Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Informal meeting without a quorum Meeting Minutes The minutes of the May meetings were accepted. Action Items The issue of list moderation will be carried over to the 24 June ALAC meeting. The moderation on the currently moderated list subscriber will be lifted. The Staff will send suggestions to the ALAC on how to get ALS applications, which have not been fully processed off the ALS applications list. Liaison Reports The IDN Liaison gave an update on IDN activities. The report can be found under: https://st.icann.org/idn-policy/index.cgi?liaison_monthly_report There were currently no new issues to be raised by the ccNSO liaison. She will put up a link to the new report once it is finished. Agenda for Board/ALAC meeting in Paris H Xue suggested putting the following issues on the agenda for the joint ALAC/Board meeting: * Briefing from the Board on the current situation of IDN ccTLDs * new gTLDs * ALAC review M El Bashir supported H Xue¹s suggestions. Agenda for 24 June ALAC meeting The following items will be part of the 24 June ALAC agenda: * Discuss the new navigation Structure of the At-Large Website * Discuss and work on 22 June 2008 OneDay Action Items. * Mechanisms for the development of ALAC Policy Statements * Discuss List Moderation Management * Reporting to the Board Meeting (June 26) on ALAC activities Next Meeting The next ALAC meeting will be on Sunday 22 June at the ICANN Paris meeting.

1 0

[Reminder] new gTLD Briefing Session @ Wed 11 Jun 13:30 – 14:30 ()
by Google Calendar June 10, 2008

June 10, 2008

alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, this is a reminder for Title: new gTLD Briefing Session Time: Wed 11 Jun 13:30 – 14:30 (Time zone: GMT (no daylight saving)) Where: Adigo Teleconference Calendar: Description: 1330 UTC. Please visit the following URL for details. There will also be an Adobe connect meeting room. https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?briefing_session_on_new_gtld_programme You can view this event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=cTEybTIyMTVvaWFoNGh1cz… You are receiving this courtesy email at the account alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future notifications for this event, decline this event. Alternatively, you can sign up for a Google account at http://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar.

1 0

Re: [At-Large] Bad domains McAfee study
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 9, 2008

June 9, 2008

Wendy and all, I agree. Registries should not be held accountable for "Content". They are in part at least responsible for DNS configuration as such is a safty and security issue. Which was what this Mcafee study was all about. From my and our members experiance and to a great extent, our independant study, your accurate in that older DN's "Tend", but are all not necessarly less "infested" or "Dangerous" than newer DN's. Dot info domain names are far too often more "Dangerous" from a DNS configuration stand point than most, other than .cn .hu, .ca, .it, .co.uk, com.za, .com.au, .in and .ru, and more recently, .us. -----Original Message----- >From: Wendy Seltzer <wendy(a)seltzer.com> >Sent: Jun 9, 2008 12:23 PM >To: "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe(a)consumer.org> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Bad domains McAfee study > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >I'm not Afilias, but I'd tend to say that domain name doesn't equal >content, and a registry is not and should not be responsible for >domains' uses. > >I'm not sure this study is any more representative or useful than "older >sites tend to be less infested than newer ones" or "URLs that start with >WWW differ from those that don't." > >- --Wendy > >Brendler, Beau wrote: >> Thanks, Jaqueline, that's interesting. I'd also be really interested to >> hear Afilias' response to this characterization of .info. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] >> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:33 PM >> To: Brendler, Beau >> Cc: At-Large Worldwide >> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Bad domains McAfee study >> >> Hi Beau >> There's been some discussion on the cc lists about this as you can >> imagine. >> Here's the .hk response to the media: >> >> We are very surprised to learn about the research findings from McAfee. >> In fact, in a meeting organized by Anti-Phishing Working Group last week >> in Tokyo Japan, Hong Kong Domain Name Registration (HKDNR) was invited >> to present its best practice in combating suspicious websites. We are >> trying to get in touch with the research author to gain more insights >> into this research and the findings. The research report shows the >> figures and analysis of the whole of last year. In particular, the >> report claimed that 9.9 million websites have been tested. It is >> suspected that most of the malicious sites were tested several months >> ago and no long exist. >> >> HKDNR is committed to providing a safe Internet environment for the >> community and has put in place various measures against suspicious >> websites. We have been working closely with Office of the >> Telecommunications Authority (OFTA), Hong Kong Police and Hong Kong >> Computer Emergency Response Team Coordination Centre (HKCERT) to monitor >> and control the situation. In August last year, in conjunction with the >> list of suspicious domains provided by OFTA, we suspended over 10,000 >> domains in regard. Following that initiatives, the situation with '.hk' >> related suspicious websites has been greatly improved. >> >> We actively review our systems and domain name registration procedures >> and policies. Particularly, we have more stringent documentary >> requirements to combat suspicious websites registered overseas in order >> to catch up with the fast-changing Internet world. We also want to call >> for the general community to be aware of the issue and report to related >> authorities whenever they have queries accessing a web site. >> >> >> Brendler, Beau wrote: >>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24966835?GT1=43001 >>> >>> "McAfee found the most dangerous domains to navigate to are ".hk" >>> (Hong Kong), ".cn" (China) and ".info" (information)." >>> >>> Apologies if you've seen this already. >>> >>> BB >>> > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >iD8DBQFITYNEuuui10VsrVERAqc+AJ96GWQ9v+NDJWId5c8LWCLnZopX2gCfbMuT >bnubsA10ZEEcJI2Fcvya3D8= >=q+cj >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org

1 0

Re: [At-Large] ALAC and AtLarge and france at large
by Jacqueline A. Morris June 9, 2008

June 9, 2008

More problems than that - how do you propose that ALL users get a chance to participate? Web polls and such tools are not sufficient to reach the vast majority of users in the developing world, or do you want to continue to leave us out? Jacqueline Dominik Filipp wrote: > > As a necessary prerequisite, assume that the at-large has a voting > power. As I already elaborated on this a little on the GA, I see one > possibility in establishing a quantifiable public input in form of > online surveys, straw polls, polling booths, etc. accessible to everyone > interesting in issues upon subscription/registration to a specific list > and possibly some other basic verification mechanisms. Prior to public > voting there will be some sufficient room for public deliberation and > various discussions on issues similarly as it is now on the lists. This, > however, opens some questions, for instance, how to consolidate the > 'public result' (gathered after counting up the final public survey > votes) when it is in contradiction with a significant or apparent fact > questioning the effectiveness of the public result. But I think this is > not as impassable problem as it might seem at first glance and, in my > opinion, can be overcome. > > > Dominik > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey A. Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:49 PM > To: Dominik Filipp; Jacqueline Morris; dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com; > aheineman(a)ntia.doc.gov > Cc: At-Large Worldwide; alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca; bev(a)pcna.ca; > icann-list(a)sorehands.com; BClist(a)bizconst.org; namecritic(a)blogs.pn; > Brenbe(a)consumer.org; bfausett(a)internet.law.pro; CWallace(a)cygnacom.com; > carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm; cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au; > dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com; dave(a)farber.net; denise.michel(a)icann.org; > derek(a)aa419.org; dpefeva(a)isoc.bg; Dominik Filipp; > elisabeth.porteneuve(a)cetp.ipsl.fr; enoss(a)tucows.com; > frederic.teboul(a)icann.org; ssene(a)ntia.doc.gov; cgomes(a)verisign.com; > iza(a)anr.org; jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com; jefsey(a)club-internet.fr; > jpalmer(a)american-webmasters.net; kp2007(a)friscotx.com; > matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org; mike(a)palage.com; michele(a)blacknight.ie; > Jeff.Neuman(a)neustar.us; jnevett(a)networksolutions.com; > nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org; Paul.Paray(a)CNA.COM; patrick(a)vande-walle.eu; > twomey(a)icann.org; robert(a)privaterra.org; roberto(a)icann.org; > ross(a)tucows.com; stacy.burnette(a)icann.org; sebastien.bachollet(a)isoc.fr; > roessler(a)does-not-exist.org; vb(a)bertola.eu; wendy(a)seltzer.com; > joly(a)punkcast.com > Subject: Re: [At-Large] ALAC and AtLarge and france at large > > Dominik and all, > > The more important problem with the ALAC and the ALS'es is that of > accountability and transparency. > Not only too ICANN but unto themselves. Only 15 voting members in the > ALAC?! How is that possible? > How is such legitimate to users? How is such accountable to users? > Frankly, it isn't accountable, nor ligitimate/transparent. It is of > course *possible* if those that have the control of the servers for list > forums and other underpennings are not themselves honest, transparent, > and ethically accountable. > > If each user that is a participant of any ALS and/or the ALAC cannot > vote on any issue, there is little or no accountability. If any user > that is a participant to any ALS or the ALAC cannot vote and freely > participate on any ALS or ALAC forum uninhibited, there is little or no > transparency nor accountability. > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >> Sent: Jun 6, 2008 8:59 AM >> To: Jacqueline Morris <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com>, >> dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com >> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ALAC and AtLarge and france at large >> >> Jacqueline, >> >> Danny is talking about principal things. The fact is that at-large in >> its current status should be advocating the wide user community, which >> is over 99% of all people/bodies recognized as Internet stakeholders. >> The fact that this vast majority has no representative voting seats is >> simply unacceptable, dishonesting and a failure of the commitment given >> > > >> to the public community. That is, every efforts not targeted this >> direction is just tacit collaboration in making up this cover-up and an >> > > >> extension of the agony. >> >> The fact that you have managed something in the air is, sorry, nearly >> nothing in comparison to the great loss of real and representative >> voting power. I am sorry but without this all this are just toothless >> toys for children playing in the sand. Jacqueline and some others, I >> don't diminish all the efforts and the sincerity you have invested into >> > > >> it but realize that the basic priorities are upside down. I absolutely >> cannot understand how the ALAC and the ALS'es can accept such a >> subordinate and undignified position! Doing this is unfair and >> unaccountable and just covering the real goals being pursued behind the >> > > >> scenes. We know all what they are like. But have no courage to speak >> them out loudly. That's the tragedy of the at-large. >> >> And the results? The ALAC was not even able to advocate its own >> position on domain tasting held previously. Is this a proper advisory >> committee behavior? Isn't it funny? A committee that is first 'advised' >> > > >> what it should advise? Just a masquerade. >> >> And the classical bread and circuses. Nothing else yet. >> >> That is my pretty honest opinion. >> >> >> Dominik >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacqueline >> Morris >> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:49 PM >> To: dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com >> Cc: At-Large Worldwide >> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ALAC and AtLarge and france at large >> >> Hey Danny >> I am not ashamed at all. We have successfully managed to get ICANN >> issues in the air in Trinidad and Tobago and in a large part of the >> Caribbean that wasn't involved at all, thanks to this current >> > structure. > >> I think you meant to refer to the earlier "part-global" elections, as >> many many Internet users were left out. We went over this a lot a year >> ago. Those elections were not at all representative, IMO. So I think >> your structure was not good as I think it is intrinsically unfair to >> developing countries, and you think the current one is not good. >> Makes no sense fighting for a structure that doesn't exist, got >> scrapped and doesn't have support from at least half of the involved >> > users. > >> The logical thing is to work towards a structure that works for us >> both, and stop trying to beat a very very dead cow back to life. >> Jacqueline >> >> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >> >>> It's pathetic, and an insult to every At-Large member that voted in >>> >> the earlier global elections. You should all be ashamed. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.ican >> n >> .org >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.ican >> n.org >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> > > Regards, > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) > "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - > Abraham Lincoln > > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very > often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." > United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] > =============================================================== > Updated 1/26/04 > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. > div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. > ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail > jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827 >

5 13

[Reminder] ALAC Monthly Teleconference @ Tue 10 Jun 13:30 – 15:00 ()
by Google Calendar June 9, 2008

June 9, 2008

alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, this is a reminder for Title: ALAC Monthly Teleconference Time: Tue 10 Jun 13:30 – 15:00 (Time zone: GMT (no daylight saving)) Calendar: Description: Please see https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?2008 for all meeting agendas, minutes, recordings and other details of ALAC's meetings. Start time 1330 UTC. You can view this event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=NmFwMmlsdWNodmR1aXA0ZH… You are receiving this courtesy email at the account alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future notifications for this event, decline this event. Alternatively, you can sign up for a Google account at http://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar.

1 0

Re: [At-Large] ALAC and AtLarge and france at large
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 8, 2008

June 8, 2008

Izumi and all, Of course your quite right Izumi. And thank you for confirming our members long ago proposal and position. Well done! We also must all try to realize although there are "pockets" of limited connectivity or no connectivity at all, ICANN, nor the ALS'es or the ALAC can take responsibility for such. And it is the host country where either limited connectivity or no connectivity to correct or address such. As such, those folks are either not users at all, or are marginalized by poor governmental and private sector stuartship of their own countrymen. Another concern that you did not touch upon are those that due to their countries political positions, they do not allow their Internet users to participate in a meaningful way in user based organizations. So again, this is not ICANN or the ALS'es/ALAC's problem to solve, but can work if diligent, to lesson or eliminate such restrictions on a case by case basis. But such efforts are expensive in terms of finances and personal individual dedication. Something I myself haven't seen or heard of demonstrated by either ICANN nor the ALS'es/ALAC members other than yourself. However given that the ALAC and the ALS'es are having trouble financing it's members to attend meetings, or generate it's own finances, this comes a no surprise what so ever. -----Original Message----- >From: Izumi AIZU <iza(a)anr.org> >Sent: Jun 8, 2008 7:33 PM >To: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] ALAC and AtLarge and france at large > >I like to point out that web tools will not provide "fair representation" >globally. > >There are many areas and regions where still access is >a big problem, many are using only dial-ups and they are expensive. >Norbert Klein from Cambodia has always pointed out this issue. >I am now working on the remote island and mountain areas access >problem both home in Japan and to some degree for Nepal. > >So when "massive" campaign is employed, they are usually voices >from developed regions with good connectivity, yet other people will be >very much left out. > >I am in favor of using web tools, however, to be a good reference >tool and out-reach means. They can be a good complementary >tool, but not a simple alternative to the ALS/RALO/ALAC process >per se. I hope people all agree with this. > >Of course, current ALAC-RALO-ALS framework is not perfect >and does not solve the access issue, but we have to be very >cafeful. > >One of the reasons why the current structure was proposed was >the reflection of the "global" election where some countries >such as mine, Japan, seemed to dominate the regional membership >since the government and industry effectively organized the >targeted campaign and there was no means to stop that that time. > >AND also after the AtLarge Directors were elected from five regions, >most of them lost contact with the consituencies, or the very people >who voted and elected them, since >a) ICANN destroyed all the memebrship data and communication >means, >b) most, if not all, directors didn't or couldn't maintain the >communication with the consituencies constantly, >and >c) there were no effective mechanism to guarantee that within ICANN > >So there was some empahsis on "informed participation" than >"mechanical representation" at that time. > >I do not intend to say "keep the status quo" at all, but while AtLarge >or ALAC is under the review now, I think it might be good to take >some old lessons from the past to create the new future. > >best, > >izumi > > >2008/6/9 Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk>: >> Agreed. >> >> Dominik >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] >> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:10 PM >> To: Dominik Filipp >> Cc: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com; At-Large Worldwide >> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ALAC and AtLarge and france at large >> >> Dominik Filipp wrote: >>> Try to see the positives. I wouldn't see it that dramatically. Access >>> to the Internet, regular or on occasion, is available in many many >>> countries. And the other means are by no means excluded. >>> >> IMO, At-Large is essentially the global community of "users of the >> Internet". As such, most people who would have an interest in ICANN, one >> would think, would at very least have Internet access. >> >> Improving IT literacy and giving people access to the Internet are >> extremely important issues, but outside the bounds of ICANN. It just >> strikes me as simple logic that someone without access to the Internet >> is likely not interested in -- and may be incapable of really >> understanding -- the controversies of its management. >> >> For that reason I would agree with Dominik that online surveys are an >> effective -- and certainly a cost effective -- manner to receive input >> from large numbers of community members who are at least Internet-aware. >> The main flaw with this tactic is that it is passive: surveys cannot >> solicit opinion, they can only wait for opinion to come to them. Left >> alone and unsupported, surveys only attract the brash and self-assured, >> which biases the results. For this reason IMO online surveys need to be >> accompanied by grassroots (ALS) support and publicity, to encourage >> people to understand the questions being surveyed and to participate. >> >> Such a combination, IMO, is hard to surpass in potential reach and cost >> effectiveness. It may not be the only solution, but it is to me the best >> one when resources are limited and the audience can be presumed to at >> least be aware enough to operate the survey. >> >> - Evan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0

Re: [At-Large] ALAC and AtLarge and france at large
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 8, 2008

June 8, 2008

Dominik and all, Also agreed. Now if we can only get Evan and TELLY.ORG, his DN, to be up to DNS configuration standard so that proper and creditable education of less than knowledgable users can be adaquately, ethically, and properly conducted and his advocacy of same considered in a truly meaningful manner. See:http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=telly.org&token=0660d… No SPF record is not exceptable. Otherwise, wiser or reasonably knowledgable users will rightly question the advocacy of Evan's stated convictions accordingly. -----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Sent: Jun 8, 2008 8:55 AM >To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] ALAC and AtLarge and france at large > >Agreed. > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] >Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:10 PM >To: Dominik Filipp >Cc: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com; At-Large Worldwide >Subject: Re: [At-Large] ALAC and AtLarge and france at large > >Dominik Filipp wrote: >> Try to see the positives. I wouldn't see it that dramatically. Access >> to the Internet, regular or on occasion, is available in many many >> countries. And the other means are by no means excluded. >> >IMO, At-Large is essentially the global community of "users of the >Internet". As such, most people who would have an interest in ICANN, one >would think, would at very least have Internet access. > >Improving IT literacy and giving people access to the Internet are >extremely important issues, but outside the bounds of ICANN. It just >strikes me as simple logic that someone without access to the Internet >is likely not interested in -- and may be incapable of really >understanding -- the controversies of its management. > >For that reason I would agree with Dominik that online surveys are an >effective -- and certainly a cost effective -- manner to receive input >from large numbers of community members who are at least Internet-aware. >The main flaw with this tactic is that it is passive: surveys cannot >solicit opinion, they can only wait for opinion to come to them. Left >alone and unsupported, surveys only attract the brash and self-assured, >which biases the results. For this reason IMO online surveys need to be >accompanied by grassroots (ALS) support and publicity, to encourage >people to understand the questions being surveyed and to participate. > >Such a combination, IMO, is hard to surpass in potential reach and cost >effectiveness. It may not be the only solution, but it is to me the best >one when resources are limited and the audience can be presumed to at >least be aware enough to operate the survey. > >- Evan > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

1 0