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New Community Website - conversion done, new site online!
by Nick Ashton-Hart March 25, 2008

March 25, 2008

Dear members of the community: I'm very pleased to be able to tell you that the conversion has been completed and the new website is up and running at www.atlarge.icann.org! There's still much to do though: 1. We will begin to change the menu structure on both the sides and the top to make things more intuitive. A number of documents also need to be changed from one long piece of text (like the main page) to individual 'pieces' of standalone text. The integration of forums and mailing lists for a two-way link between them is also pending. As those things are done we will also: 2. start migration a lot of the wiki content over to the main site - and also migrate the calendar from Google calendar 3. We'll create the regional sub-sites, so that it will become possible to allow community contribution of material to the site. 4. We'll start to 'turn on' features such as: RSS-feeds of blogs of members of the community related to ICANN (we will put out a call for those of you with blogs to send your URLs in - but hang on; we're not ready quite yet. I hope that you are all as excited by this milestone as I am. It has been a year in the making, and it may still look a bit like the old site - but we've now got a solid foundation to build a truly collaborative future! -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Agenda for Wed/Thu Board meeting
by Wendy Seltzer March 25, 2008

March 25, 2008

Here's the agenda for this week's board meeting: <http://www.icann.org/minutes/prelim-report-19mar08.htm> I have already requested that ALAC's communication to the Board on domain name holds be considered under "other business." I'd also like to raise registrant and user concerns relating to enforcement for addition to the Riga Workshop Agenda. If the group has comments on the GNSO improvements beyond what has circulated on the list, I'd be glad to know. Proposed agenda for the 27/28 March 2008 Special Meeting of the Board: 1) Approval of Regular Board Meeting Minutes from New Delhi Meeting 2) Discussion of Mid-term Review of the Joint Project Agreement between NTIA and ICANN 3) Discussion of NeuStar and Afilias AGP Modification Proposals 4) Update Discussion on New gTLDs 5) Update Discussion on GNSO Improvements 6) Update Discussions on various Bylaws-Mandated Reviews 7) Update Discussion on Meetings and Budget Issues 8) Update Discussion on Paris ICANN Meeting 9) President’s Report 10) Discussion of Riga Board Workshop Agenda 11) Briefing on Budget and Management Process Reporting 12) Other Business note also: C) Extension of Comment Period for Report of the Board Governance Committee GNSO Review Working Group on GNSO Improvements – The Committee acknowledged receipt of a comment from Philip Sheppard on behalf of: The Commercial and Business Users, the Intellectual Property, and the Internet Service and Connection Providers constituencies requesting a 30-day extension of the comment period to 25 April 2008. The Committee engaged in a detailed discussion about the rationale for the request for extension and agreed unanimously (of all attending) to the following resolution: Resolved (__), the Executive Committee hereby extends the public comment period on the “Comment Period for Report of the Board Governance Committee GNSO Review Working Group on GNSO Improvements” to 25 April 2008, to permit sufficient time for: i) the parties requesting the extension to have sufficient time to provide to the ICANN Board their proposal, including the details of the consultations and nature of the support that they have gathered; and, ii) to allow time for an additional call to the community to file submissions relating to all aspects of the posted report. -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org Visiting Professor, Northeastern University School of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/

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Re: [At-Large] GNSO Review
by jwkckid1＠ix.netcom.com March 24, 2008

March 24, 2008

-----Original Message----- >From: Ross Rader <ross(a)tucows.com> >Sent: Mar 24, 2008 9:52 AM >To: >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] GNSO Review > > >On Mar 24, 2008, at 8:29 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >> I would not stand in the way of formation of a >> constituency of individual registrars. However, creation of this group >> should not -- must not, IMO -- prevent the proper representation >> within >> GNSO of Internet consumers. The need for one does not deny the need >> for >> the other, and I for one do not believe any attempt should be made to >> lump the two together. > >Broadly speaking, I see three distinct groups - contracted parties >(registrants, registrars and registries), domain name users >(commercial, non-commercial and individual) and infrastructure service >providers (software developers, telecoms, etc.) Within each of the >subsets, further segmentation of the stakeholder groups is probably >necessary - i.e. sponsored TLD registries, generic TLD registries, >commercial registrants, individual registrants and so on... > >I don't think the GNSO can ever be all that functional unless there is >a material way for each of these groups to meaningfully participate in >the work of the GNSO. > >I've always found it to be useful to think of any changes to the >structure of the GNSO in terms of what the long-term picture should >look like. It would be great if the community could agree on a roadmap >that would help us guide our short-term efforts. > >-ross > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org

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Re: [At-Large] GNSO Review
by jwkckid1＠ix.netcom.com March 24, 2008

March 24, 2008

Evan and all, ALL registrants are users. Not all users are registrants. Here inlies the difference between "users only" and registrants whom are also by defination users. But we have been down this road before. -----Original Message----- >From: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Sent: Mar 24, 2008 9:48 AM >To: Ross Rader <ross(a)tucows.com> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] GNSO Review > >Ross Rader wrote: >> On Mar 24, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >> >>> This grouping excludes those who use the internet (receive spam, are >>> exposed to squatters and parkers and phishers) yet never themselves >>> register a domain or serve any information of their own. >>> >> >> I think you are describing a subset, or a set related to "domain name >> users". For my tastes, "Internet Users" is too broad a classification >> to be descriptive enough of what the purpose of what a constituency >> might be. Regardless of the label, we are talking about the same people. >> >We differ in scale and the orientation of ther pyramid. In my world >view, all of these other groups are subsets of "Internet Users". Even >those who register domains in some contexts are Internet users in others. > >> 90% of the segments with a stake in the work of the GNSO, domain name users being almost the sole exception, are providing Internet services in some way shape or form. >I'm not disagreeing... which is why, one could argue, that ICANN (and >GNSO in particular) by its actions and structure more resembles a large, >multi-faceted industry consortium than anything pretending to serve the >public interest -- the CompTIA of the Internet. Arguably the existence >of ALAC -- and the GAC on good days -- appear to be all that keeps ICANN >from simply being seen as simply that. Such a POV explains the many who >see ICANN's at-large initiatives as nothing more than a high-expense >publicity stunt. > >It's indeed likely that 90% of the current segments who have been >allowed a stake in GNSO to date are providers. What is worth debate is >whether such overwhelming dominance by one side of the Internet services >transaction serves the public interest or ICANN's longer term legitimacy. > >> Within the existing GNSO, I strongly believe the imbalance stems from the fact that the intellectual property protection industry has subverted the original purpose of at least two constituencies beyond their own which puts all other parties, most notably registrants, at a distinct disadvantage in the process. >> >>From the POV of internet users, I would argue that all this comes across >as internal "Internet industry" infighting which they barely have the >right to attend, much less speak to. Other sectors have allowed >themselves to be bullied in this way by the IP lobby, in part because >they did not seek a public interest constituency alongside to assist in >the pushback. Either they were too out of touch to understand the value >of public support, or they were too wary of creating an influential >public-interest within ICANN lest _they_ ever got on its wrong side. > >In a previous email you indicated a desire for a public-interest-driven >roadmap that might drive future movements in this area. Be careful what >you wish for... > >- Evan > > Regards, Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [At-Large] GNSO Review
by jwkckid1＠ix.netcom.com March 24, 2008

March 24, 2008

John and all, Exactly right, IMO! And it is the fact that ICANN is either releuctant to act or take some immediate action a la RegistryFly, to address registry/registrar errant behavior is what is at the crux of the issue here. So what's going to end up happening and to some extent is in effect now, is that governments will start creating regulation and "Legal Rules" that will pick up the slack ICANN is leaving. Some may find this approach undesirable. -----Original Message----- >From: John Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> >Sent: Mar 24, 2008 10:31 AM >To: Ross Rader <ross(a)tucows.com> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] GNSO Review > >> completely agree with your view of the pyramid, but would want to >> understand more what ICANN has to do with the general internet vs. its >> specific area of capability (domains, dns, etc.). > >Putting words in Evan's mouth, it's the effect that domains and DNS have >on the general interest. For example, to the extent that ICANN either has >rules that encourage phishing or fails to enforce rules that would deter >it, it is not acting in the public interst that its status as a non-profit >requires it to do. > >R's, >John > >_______________________________________________ > Regards, Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Phone: 214-244-4827

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Fw: [ga] domain tastinmg comments
by jwkckid1＠ix.netcom.com March 24, 2008

March 24, 2008

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The International Cyber Cop Unit
by Jeffrey A. Williams March 24, 2008

March 24, 2008

All, This is a good concept. I hope it works out in practice. Should ICANN beware? See: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/26144 A group of international cyber cops is ramping up plans to fight online crime across borders. The unit, known as the Strategic Alliance Cyber Crime Working Group, met this month in London and is made up of high-level online law enforcement representatives from the U.S., Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom. One of the main goals of the group is to fight cyber crime in a common way by sharing intelligence, swapping tools and best practices, and strengthening and synchronizing their respective laws. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [At-Large] PAST DEADLINE: GNSO Review
by jwkckid1＠ix.netcom.com March 23, 2008

March 23, 2008

Roberto and all, I've always believed that better it the successor to good. Good leaders know that better is superior to good. Improving is something that should be strived for. An example: IPv6 is better than IPv4! Another relevant example: Bind 9 is better than Bind 8. -----Original Message----- >From: Roberto Gaetano <roberto(a)icann.org> >Sent: Mar 22, 2008 9:52 AM >To: 'Alan Greenberg' <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca>, 'At-Large' <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] PAST DEADLINE: GNSO Review > >Alan, > >> >> No question that an opportunity for individual registrant to >> participate is a good thing (although one wonders how they >> could organize mobilize support, or afford ICANN >> participation, but that is not the question at hand). >> >> The concern is that the proposal does not allow for >> representatives of the other trillion people who are not >> registrants to participate. >> I understand that there *may* be an opportunity to >> participate in working groups ("may" because it will depend >> on how the term stakeholders is interpreted). But if there is >> any value in participating in Council activities (and all of >> the other constituencies certainly seem to think that there >> is), then non-registrant users should as well. > >Although I do agree in principle with you, I also believe that the "better" >is the enemy of the "good". >ICANN is 10 years old. Since the beginning there has been an attempt (failed >so far) for individual registrants to build a constituency. We now have the >choice: do we use this (tiny) window, or do we drop the opportunity waiting >another 10 years for the situation to be ready for extending participation >also to the non-registrant individuals? Nothing prevents in the future to >create a non-registrant constituency, considering that one of the principles >we have adopted in the GNSO Review was the flexibility, but to delay the >first step in order to make a bigger step later might be a mistake, and >might be missing an opportunity. > >Just my 2c. > >Cheers, >Roberto > > Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [At-Large] PAST DEADLINE: GNSO Review
by jwkckid1＠ix.netcom.com March 23, 2008

March 23, 2008

Alan and all, I agree with your thoughts here Alan, but doesn't really this get back to the proper viability of the GA? I believe it does. -----Original Message----- >From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> >Sent: Mar 22, 2008 11:22 AM >To: 'At-Large' <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] PAST DEADLINE: GNSO Review > >At 22/03/2008 12:52 PM, Roberto Gaetano wrote: >>Alan, >> >> > >> > No question that an opportunity for individual registrant to >> > participate is a good thing (although one wonders how they >> > could organize mobilize support, or afford ICANN >> > participation, but that is not the question at hand). >> > >> > The concern is that the proposal does not allow for >> > representatives of the other trillion people who are not >> > registrants to participate. >> > I understand that there *may* be an opportunity to >> > participate in working groups ("may" because it will depend >> > on how the term stakeholders is interpreted). But if there is >> > any value in participating in Council activities (and all of >> > the other constituencies certainly seem to think that there >> > is), then non-registrant users should as well. >> >>Although I do agree in principle with you, I also believe that the "better" >>is the enemy of the "good". >>ICANN is 10 years old. Since the beginning there has been an attempt (failed >>so far) for individual registrants to build a constituency. We now have the >>choice: do we use this (tiny) window, or do we drop the opportunity waiting >>another 10 years for the situation to be ready for extending participation >>also to the non-registrant individuals? Nothing prevents in the future to >>create a non-registrant constituency, considering that one of the principles >>we have adopted in the GNSO Review was the flexibility, but to delay the >>first step in order to make a bigger step later might be a mistake, and >>might be missing an opportunity. >> >>Just my 2c. >> >>Cheers, >>Roberto > >Roberto, I have highlighted one of your sentences that makes my point >exactly. I want the ability to at some later time, when we perhaps >have gotten our act better together, to form a non-registrant constituency. > >To ALLOW this to happen, you need to define (in the proposed plan) >the Non-commercial Registrant Stakeholders Group as simple the >Non-commercial Stakeholders Group. By removing the "Registrant" from >its definition, you allow, at some future time, for a user-type >constituency to form as one of the sub-groups of this stakeholder >group. By defining it as a "Registrant" stakeholders group, you are >implicitly saying that its component constituencies are all >registrant groups of some form. By removing it, you allow potentially >all sorts of interested parties (not only users) to participate. In >my mind, this increases flexibility (which you confirm was a target >outcome) and I don't see what is lost. > >No thing I said was meant to imply a delay. > Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Phone: 214-244-4827

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Weekly posting summary for alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten March 21, 2008

March 21, 2008

Total of 16 messages in the last 7 days. script run at: Fri Mar 21 00:53:02 EDT 2008 Messages | Bytes | Who --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 25.00% | 4 | 34.84% | 52971 | jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com 25.00% | 4 | 22.87% | 34777 | staff at atlarge.icann.org 25.00% | 4 | 21.08% | 32052 | wendy at seltzer.com 12.50% | 2 | 11.35% | 17255 | cheryl at hovtek.com.au 6.25% | 1 | 5.00% | 7604 | narten at us.ibm.com 6.25% | 1 | 4.87% | 7400 | alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 100.00% | 16 |100.00% | 152059 | Total

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