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Attention: ALSes in APRALO
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Oct. 10, 2012

Oct. 10, 2012

Dear All, Some time ago, the APRALO Secretariat had sent the Survey links to gather feedback from the ALSes with regards to capacity building. The number of responses so far has only been 2. Please contact Pavan if your ALS has not completed this Survey yet and make every attempt to complete the Survey as it is in your ALS's best interest to do so. There is a separate mailing list for ALSes and if you have not yet received the Survey, please advise by responding to this email. Thank you. I will keep the Survey live until the 10th October, 2012. Kind Regards, -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851

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Threats to an Open and Free Internet #Verisign's Patent Application
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Oct. 9, 2012

Oct. 9, 2012

Dear APRALO, I would like to raise my concern over the Patent Application filed by Verisign with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. I feel that this Application is an immediate and direct threat towards an open and free Internet. I write as an individual member of PICISOC and my views do not necessarily reflect the view of my Chapter as an ALS nor does it reflect the views of APRALO. My views do not reflect the view of the ALAC on this matter. I would be interested in hearing your various perspectives on this matter. What are *your* views? The Application can be viewed here: http://domainnamewire.com/wp-content/verisign-dnssec.pdf Verisign's Patent Application reminds me of something the Director General of WIPO Gurry had said re: the Internet being better off it was patented, see: http://boingboing.net/2011/10/08/wipo-boss-the-web-would-have-been-better-i… Just in case people are tempted to think that this was a prank given that they filed it on the 1 April 2011, I have searched the USPTO and it is a legitimate application. See: http://portal.uspto.gov/external/portal/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP… JFUkNKRXFnLzRGR2dzbzBWdnphOUlBOW9JQSEhLzdfTU81MTc1OTMwRzlGMDBJSDFST1NNNjMwMjYvOnU4T0o1Mzk2MDAyOC9zYS5nZXRCaWI!/<http://portal.uspto.gov/external/portal/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP…> Here's a recent write-up from Chris of Red Nectar: http://rednectar.net/2012/10/09/a-patent-on-dnssec-domains-is-this-the-end-… Kind Regards, -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851

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WCIT-12 Briefing session for Civil Society Stakeholders and other interested parties
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Oct. 9, 2012

Oct. 9, 2012

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <karim.attoumanimohamed(a)ties.itu.int> Date: Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM Subject: [governance] Fwd: WCIT-12 Briefing session for Civil Society Stakeholders and other interested parties To: governance(a)lists.igcaucus.org Dear all, My apology for cross posting if you already received this link. Thanks Karim, Comoros ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "SG-Registration, ITU" <sg-registration(a)itu.int> To: Undisclosed recipients:; Cc: Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 07:45:27 +0000 Subject: WCIT-12 Briefing session for Civil Society Stakeholders and other interested parties Dear Madam/Sir,**** ** ** We are pleased to inform you that webcast of the *WCIT-12 Briefing session for Civil Society Stakeholders and other interested parties* to be held today, Tuesday 9 October from *1500 to 1630 hours* will be avaialablle at http://www.itu.int/ibs/sg/wcit/201210civil/ .**** ** ** With kind regards and best wishes,**** ** ** ITU WCIT-12 Secretariat **** **** ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance(a)lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851

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Arab IGF [Starts Today]
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Oct. 9, 2012

Oct. 9, 2012

Dear All, For those of you who are interested in attending the Inaugural Arab IGF which is being held in Kuwait, remote participation is available via http://arabigf.kits.org.kw/livestream/. It starts today [Day 1] and will end on Thursday Kuwait time. Kind Regards, -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851

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FW: [At-Large] Comments from At-Large for consideration of objections to new gTLD applications due November 7 2012
by ICANN At-Large Staff Oct. 8, 2012

Oct. 8, 2012

Dear All, Please see a message below prepared by Dev Anand Teelucksingh, Chair of the At-Large Review Group, regarding the deadline for comments from At-Large for consideration of objections to new gTLD applications. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org -----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Dev Anand Teelucksingh Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 3:20 PM To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: [At-Large] Comments from At-Large for consideration of objections to new gTLD applications due November 7 2012 Dear All, The At-Large new gTLD Review Group (gTLD RG ; https://community.icann.org/x/u7-bAQ) is seeking comments from ICANN At-Large on the new gTLD applications and applied for strings received by ICANN for its New gTLD program (http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/about) The At-Large comments will be used by the gTLD RG to decide whether to draft a formal objection statement to a gTLD application on limited public interest or community grounds for RALO's consideration and ALAC's during the Objection Period as part of ICANN's Objection and Dispute Resolution Process. All At-Large comments received will be kept at the At-Large new gTLD Applications Dashboard at http://bit.ly/newgtld For comments to be considered by the gTLD RG for drafting a formal objection statement on limited public interest or community grounds for RALO's and ALAC's consideration, such comments must be submitted by November 7 2012. Visit the At-Large new gTLD Applications Dashboard at http://bit.ly/newgtld to learn how to review information about the gTLD applications and applicants, read At-Large comments on gTLD applications and strings and how to submit your comments to the gTLD RG. A one page summary of how ALAC files an objection to a new gTLD application can be viewed at https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/34608480/At-Large-Objectio… Kind Regards, Dev Anand Teelucksingh gTLD RG chair _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] [ALAC] gTLD Review Group decisions regarding the comments on objection grounds on the ".book" application by Amazon EU s.a.r.l
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Oct. 8, 2012

Oct. 8, 2012

Dear Dev and All, The Association of American Publishers and Google entered into a settlement, see: http://www.publishers.org/press/85/ I thought that this would be of interest to the .book debate Kind Regards, On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com>wrote: > Dear Dev, > > thank you very much for your email explaining the course of action which > you recommend. > I am CC'ing the present email to the ALAC for its information. > I also trust that Avri Doria, Chair of the At-Large New gTLD Working > Group, will be picking up the ball from here. I look forward to her WG > making recommendations as to the course of action they suggest. > > Best regards, > > Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond > ALAC Chair > > On 08/08/2012 19:51, Dev Anand Teelucksingh wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > The gTLD Review Group (gTLD RG ; https://community.icann.org/x/u7-bAQ) > > received a comment on community objection grounds by InternetNZ, an > > ALS in APRALO, on the application by Amazon EU S.A.R.L for the applied > > for gTLD string "book" on July 26 2012. > > > > InternetNZ's comment was posted to the At-Large new gTLD Applications > > Dashboard Workspace at > > https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.book+_OG > > > > Several comments from At-Large, including members of the gTLD RG were > > received and posted on the wiki page at > > https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.book+_OG > > including a condensed version of InternetNZ's comment by gTLD RG > > members Eduardo Diaz and Yrjo Lansipuro. > > > > The comments by InternetNZ and others raises concerns regarding the > > availability of 2nd level domains under generic TLDs. Whether domains > > under such proposed generic TLDs should be available or "open" to the > > wider public or "closed" to the applicants applying for the proposed > > gTLD. > > > > Because such concepts are outside the scope of the application for > > ".book" by Amazon EU s.a.r.l, the gTLD RG on its conference call on > > Monday August 6 2012 (https://community.icann.org/x/iAUeAg) decided > > not to submit a comment on this application to the ALAC for possible > > submission to ICANN's new gTLD comment forum before the close of the > > Application Comment Period. > > > > However, given the concepts raised regarding the availability of 2nd > > level domains under gTLDs has policy implications that impacts > > individual Internet end users, the gTLD RG recommends that the issues > > raised be referred to the At-Large new gTLD Working Group > > (https://community.icann.org/x/8Yoi) for discussion and possible > > policy recommendations. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Dev Anand Teelucksingh > > Chair, gTLD Review Group > > > > -- > Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD > http://www.gih.com/ocl.html > > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: > https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] [ALAC] [At-Large] [New gTLD RG] gTLD Review Group decisions regarding the comments on objection grounds on the ".book" application by Amazon EU s.a.r.l
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 8, 2012

Oct. 8, 2012

Not sure what "2TLDs" are, but regardless, that definition is incomplete in that it stops history at 2002 and is soon to be out of date in that the term sponsored and unsponsored is not being used for the TLDs to be approved under the current round. Community TLDs have some historical relationship to sponsored TLDs in that they are supported by some group. However, once delegated, that group is not necessarily in control of the TLD as is theoretically the case for Sponsored TLDs. However, the operator of the TLD does have a responsibility to maintain the community-based policies it specified in its application. Alan At 07/10/2012 11:43 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >Snip.... > > >Sala: From the ICANN Glossary, see: ><http://www.icann.org/general/glossary.htm>http://www.icann.org/general/glossary.htm > > >"gTLD > >Most TLDs with three or more characters are referred to as "generic" >TLDs, or "gTLDs". They can be subdivided into two types, "sponsored" >TLDs (sTLDs) and "unsponsored TLDs (uTLDs), as described in more detail below. > >In the 1980s, seven gTLDs (.com, .edu, .gov, .int, .mil, .net, and >.org) were created. Domain names may be registered in three of these >(.com, .net, and .org) without restriction; the other four have >limited purposes. >In 2001 & 2002 four new unsponsored TLDs (.biz, .info, .name, and >.pro) were introduced. The other three new TLDs (.aero, .coop, and >.museum) were sponsored. > >Generally speaking, an unsponsored TLD operates under policies >established by the global Internet community directly through the >ICANN process, while a sponsored TLD is a specialized TLD that has a >sponsor representing the narrower community that is most affected by >the TLD. The sponsor thus carries out delegated policy-formulation >responsibilities over many matters concerning the TLD." > >I would assume that the policy formulation would include 2TLDs.

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] [ALAC] [At-Large] [New gTLD RG] gTLD Review Group decisions regarding the comments on objection grounds on the ".book" application by Amazon EU s.a.r.l
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 8, 2012

Oct. 8, 2012

At 07/10/2012 07:28 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >Dear Alan, > >My comments are in-line. > >On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Alan Greenberg ><<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: >Sala, two comments. > >1. You use the term "sponsoring organizations" >(sometimes capitalized). The concept of a >"Sponsored" TLD has a very specific meaning in >ICANN, referring to some of the TLDs that were >delegated in the last decade. I do not believe >that the term is used in relation to the new gTLD program. > > >Sala: "1.16 A Registered Name is "sponsored" by >the registrar that placed the record associated >with that registration into the registry. >Sponsorship of a registration may be changed at >the express direction of the Registered Name >Holder or, in the event a registrar loses >accreditation, in accordance with then-current >ICANN specifications and policies." from the RAA >Template via: ><http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/raa-17may01-en.htm#1>http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/raa-17may01-en.htm#1 > Yes, the word is used in reference to a Registar who passes 2nd/3rd level registration to a Registry. But your context ("granting Sponsoring organisations exclusive rights over gTLDs") was to a Registry and a TLD. >2. In your last bullet, you make reference to TLD >which are not open to general registration of 2nd >level domains. The Internet is full of such TLDs, >including many ccTLDs with strong restrictions on >who can register 2nd (or even 3rd) level names, >and a slew of gTLDs with very restrictive >registration policies. > > >ICANN has generally accepted and advocates that >regulation of the ccTLD is not within its ambits >as this is administered under the various >countries where each ccTLD is subject to their >respective country's laws as far as regulation >is concerned. Countries differ in their >approaches. To some extent, there are jurists >who argue that the same can be said for the gTLD >market. On the other hand the material >distinction is on which occassions and which >instances ICANN has a say. It would appear that >ICANN does not have a say in ccTLD registration >policies compared to the gTLD policies where >ICANN does have a say. My comments in my last >email was restricted to what is within ICANN's >power to influence, that is their domain/jurisdiction. Exactly. And ICANN has regularly allowed gTLDs with restrictive registration policies. >I am not sure that the >situation is so dissimilar in that although these >TLDs do allow SOME registrations, they forbid >many others. If you are specifically worried >about such use of TLDs that are also generic words, that should be explicit. > >Alan > >I would be interested in seeing studies on the >impact of closed market registries and perceived impact. > >At 07/10/2012 06:26 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > >The fact that Google is generally considered to be an intermediary service > >provider, they need to demonstrate that in not allowing second level .blog > >names to end users is not contrary to global public interest. Policy > >influences that largely impact on how Google operates. > > > >My main concern would be whether we have access to a Study on the Impact of > >Closed Generic Term Registries and the Impact on global public interest, > >ICANN's core mission etc. If such a study was done, grateful if the > >community could point out to me a link so I can read. > > > > - Closing off generic name spaces for exclusive use in the wake of > > extremely poor global campaigns and awareness where ICANN or the gTLD > > programme is involved; > > - Challenges for end users and consumers noting that there are consumer > > groups that have already started lobbying > US Senate on the perceived harm; > > - Controversies surrounding changing the rules during the game vrs GAC > > Intervention; > > - Regulatory trends within the US will have an impact on ICANN's policy > > decisions as far as anti trust, > competition is concerned, we have recently > > seen this when the The Honorable Philip S. Gutierrez, United States > > District Judge on 4 August 2012 *Manwin Licensing International > > S.A.R.L., et al. v. ICM Registry, LLC, et al.*had ruled that > > anti-trust claims could be filed over controversial .xxx [see: > > > <http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/tal/icann.pdf>http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/tal/icann.pdf > ]. Not for profit organisations > > may be subject to the *Sherman Act*. > > - On one hand, we are saying we advocate an open and free internet but > > the mere granting Sponsoring organisations exclusive rights over gTLDs > > without ensuring that these organisations > open up registrations of second > > level domain to others becomes reminiscent > of Incumbent Telecom operators > > pre-liberalisation of markets and whilst it will generate substantial > > revenue for both these sponsoring organisations and ICANN, it will > > [eventually] force someone either within > the US [Senate or DoC] where this > > could mean that since ICANN is incapable of self-regulatory aspects to > > protect global public interest that it may > > be regulated. This same argument > > can be used by those Governments who already feel that ICANN should be > > internationalized if not regulated; > > > > > >On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Seth M Reiss > <<mailto:seth.reiss@lex-ip.com>seth.reiss(a)lex-ip.com> wrote: > > > > > Sala How so?**** > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > *From:* <mailto:newgtldrg-bounces@icann.org>newgtldrg-bounces(a)icann.org > > [mailto:newgtldrg-bounces@icann.org] *On > > > Behalf Of *Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > > > *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:02 PM > > > *To:* Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond > > > *Cc:* ALAC Working List; New gTLD Review Group; Susan Chalmers; apralo; > > > At-Large Worldwide > > > *Subject:* Re: [New gTLD RG] [ALAC] gTLD Review Group decisions regarding > > > the comments on objection grounds on the ".book" application by Amazon EU > > > s.a.r.l**** > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > Dear Dev and All,**** > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > The Association of American Publishers and Google entered into a > > > settlement, see: > <http://www.publishers.org/press/85/>http://www.publishers.org/press/85/ > I thought that this > > > would be of interest to the .book debate**** > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > Kind Regards,**** > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Olivier MJ > Crepin-Leblond <<mailto:ocl@gih.com>ocl(a)gih.com> > > > wrote:**** > > > > > > Dear Dev, > > > > > > thank you very much for your email explaining the course of action which > > > you recommend. > > > I am CC'ing the present email to the ALAC for its information. > > > I also trust that Avri Doria, Chair of the At-Large New gTLD Working > > > Group, will be picking up the ball from here. I look forward to her WG > > > making recommendations as to the course of action they suggest. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond > > > ALAC Chair > > > > > > On 08/08/2012 19:51, Dev Anand Teelucksingh wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > The gTLD Review Group (gTLD RG ; > <https://community.icann.org/x/u7-bAQ>https://community.icann.org/x/u7-bAQ) > > > > received a comment on community objection grounds by InternetNZ, an > > > > ALS in APRALO, on the application by Amazon EU S.A.R.L for the applied > > > > for gTLD string "book" on July 26 2012. > > > > > > > > InternetNZ's comment was posted to the At-Large new gTLD Applications > > > > Dashboard Workspace at > > > > > <https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.book+_OG>https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.book+_OG > > > > > > > > Several comments from At-Large, including members of the gTLD RG were > > > > received and posted on the wiki page at > > > > > <https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.book+_OG>https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.book+_OG > > > > including a condensed version of InternetNZ's comment by gTLD RG > > > > members Eduardo Diaz and Yrjo Lansipuro. > > > > > > > > The comments by InternetNZ and others raises concerns regarding the > > > > availability of 2nd level domains under generic TLDs. Whether domains > > > > under such proposed generic TLDs should be available or "open" to the > > > > wider public or "closed" to the applicants applying for the proposed > > > > gTLD. > > > > > > > > Because such concepts are outside the scope of the application for > > > > ".book" by Amazon EU s.a.r.l, the gTLD RG on its conference call on > > > > Monday August 6 2012 > (<https://community.icann.org/x/iAUeAg>https://community.icann.org/x/iAUeAg) > decided > > > > not to submit a comment on this application to the ALAC for possible > > > > submission to ICANN's new gTLD comment forum before the close of the > > > > Application Comment Period. > > > > > > > > However, given the concepts raised regarding the availability of 2nd > > > > level domains under gTLDs has policy implications that impacts > > > > individual Internet end users, the gTLD RG recommends that the issues > > > > raised be referred to the At-Large new gTLD Working Group > > > > > (<https://community.icann.org/x/8Yoi>https://community.icann.org/x/8Yoi) > for discussion and possible > > > > policy recommendations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > Dev Anand Teelucksingh > > > > Chair, gTLD Review Group > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD > > > <http://www.gih.com/ocl.html>http://www.gih.com/ocl.html > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ALAC mailing list > > > <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > > > > > At-Large Online: > <http://www.atlarge.icann.org>http://www.atlarge.icann.org > > > ALAC Working Wiki: > > > > > > <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL…>https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… > > > **** > > > > > > > > > > > > **** > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > -- **** > > > > > > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala**** > > > > > > P.O. Box 17862**** > > > > > > Suva**** > > > > > > Fiji**** > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > Twitter: @SalanietaT**** > > > > > > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro**** > > > > > > Fiji Cell: <tel:%2B679%20998%202851>+679 998 2851**** > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > **** > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > >P.O. Box 17862 > >Suva > >Fiji > > > >Twitter: @SalanietaT > >Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > >Fiji Cell: <tel:%2B679%20998%202851>+679 998 2851 > >_______________________________________________ > >At-Large mailing list > ><mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > > >At-Large Official Site: <http://atlarge.icann.org>http://atlarge.icann.org > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list ><mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > >At-Large Online: <http://www.atlarge.icann.org>http://www.atlarge.icann.org >ALAC Working Wiki: ><https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL…>https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… > > > > >-- >Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >P.O. Box 17862 >Suva >Fiji > >Twitter: @SalanietaT >Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > >

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] [At-Large] [New gTLD RG] [ALAC] gTLD Review Group decisions regarding the comments on objection grounds on the ".book" application by Amazon EU s.a.r.l
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 7, 2012

Oct. 7, 2012

Sala, two comments. 1. You use the term "sponsoring organizations" (sometimes capitalized). The concept of a "Sponsored" TLD has a very specific meaning in ICANN, referring to some of the TLDs that were delegated in the last decade. I do not believe that the term is used in relation to the new gTLD program. 2. In your last bullet, you make reference to TLD which are not open to general registration of 2nd level domains. The Internet is full of such TLDs, including many ccTLDs with strong restrictions on who can register 2nd (or even 3rd) level names, and a slew of gTLDs with very restrictive registration policies. I am not sure that the situation is so dissimilar in that although these TLDs do allow SOME registrations, they forbid many others. If you are specifically worried about such use of TLDs that are also generic words, that should be explicit. Alan At 07/10/2012 06:26 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >The fact that Google is generally considered to be an intermediary service >provider, they need to demonstrate that in not allowing second level .blog >names to end users is not contrary to global public interest. Policy >influences that largely impact on how Google operates. > >My main concern would be whether we have access to a Study on the Impact of >Closed Generic Term Registries and the Impact on global public interest, >ICANN's core mission etc. If such a study was done, grateful if the >community could point out to me a link so I can read. > > - Closing off generic name spaces for exclusive use in the wake of > extremely poor global campaigns and awareness where ICANN or the gTLD > programme is involved; > - Challenges for end users and consumers noting that there are consumer > groups that have already started lobbying US Senate on the perceived harm; > - Controversies surrounding changing the rules during the game vrs GAC > Intervention; > - Regulatory trends within the US will have an impact on ICANN's policy > decisions as far as anti trust, competition is concerned, we have recently > seen this when the The Honorable Philip S. Gutierrez, United States > District Judge on 4 August 2012 *Manwin Licensing International > S.A.R.L., et al. v. ICM Registry, LLC, et al.*had ruled that > anti-trust claims could be filed over controversial .xxx [see: > http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/tal/icann.pdf ]. Not for profit organisations > may be subject to the *Sherman Act*. > - On one hand, we are saying we advocate an open and free internet but > the mere granting Sponsoring organisations exclusive rights over gTLDs > without ensuring that these organisations open up registrations of second > level domain to others becomes reminiscent of Incumbent Telecom operators > pre-liberalisation of markets and whilst it will generate substantial > revenue for both these sponsoring organisations and ICANN, it will > [eventually] force someone either within the US [Senate or DoC] where this > could mean that since ICANN is incapable of self-regulatory aspects to > protect global public interest that it may > be regulated. This same argument > can be used by those Governments who already feel that ICANN should be > internationalized if not regulated; > > >On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Seth M Reiss <seth.reiss(a)lex-ip.com> wrote: > > > Sala How so?**** > > > > ** ** > > > > *From:* newgtldrg-bounces(a)icann.org > [mailto:newgtldrg-bounces@icann.org] *On > > Behalf Of *Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > > *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:02 PM > > *To:* Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond > > *Cc:* ALAC Working List; New gTLD Review Group; Susan Chalmers; apralo; > > At-Large Worldwide > > *Subject:* Re: [New gTLD RG] [ALAC] gTLD Review Group decisions regarding > > the comments on objection grounds on the ".book" application by Amazon EU > > s.a.r.l**** > > > > ** ** > > > > Dear Dev and All,**** > > > > ** ** > > > > The Association of American Publishers and Google entered into a > > settlement, see: http://www.publishers.org/press/85/ I thought that this > > would be of interest to the .book debate**** > > > > ** ** > > > > Kind Regards,**** > > > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com> > > wrote:**** > > > > Dear Dev, > > > > thank you very much for your email explaining the course of action which > > you recommend. > > I am CC'ing the present email to the ALAC for its information. > > I also trust that Avri Doria, Chair of the At-Large New gTLD Working > > Group, will be picking up the ball from here. I look forward to her WG > > making recommendations as to the course of action they suggest. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond > > ALAC Chair > > > > On 08/08/2012 19:51, Dev Anand Teelucksingh wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > The gTLD Review Group (gTLD RG ; https://community.icann.org/x/u7-bAQ) > > > received a comment on community objection grounds by InternetNZ, an > > > ALS in APRALO, on the application by Amazon EU S.A.R.L for the applied > > > for gTLD string "book" on July 26 2012. > > > > > > InternetNZ's comment was posted to the At-Large new gTLD Applications > > > Dashboard Workspace at > > > https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.book+_OG > > > > > > Several comments from At-Large, including members of the gTLD RG were > > > received and posted on the wiki page at > > > https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.book+_OG > > > including a condensed version of InternetNZ's comment by gTLD RG > > > members Eduardo Diaz and Yrjo Lansipuro. > > > > > > The comments by InternetNZ and others raises concerns regarding the > > > availability of 2nd level domains under generic TLDs. Whether domains > > > under such proposed generic TLDs should be available or "open" to the > > > wider public or "closed" to the applicants applying for the proposed > > > gTLD. > > > > > > Because such concepts are outside the scope of the application for > > > ".book" by Amazon EU s.a.r.l, the gTLD RG on its conference call on > > > Monday August 6 2012 (https://community.icann.org/x/iAUeAg) decided > > > not to submit a comment on this application to the ALAC for possible > > > submission to ICANN's new gTLD comment forum before the close of the > > > Application Comment Period. > > > > > > However, given the concepts raised regarding the availability of 2nd > > > level domains under gTLDs has policy implications that impacts > > > individual Internet end users, the gTLD RG recommends that the issues > > > raised be referred to the At-Large new gTLD Working Group > > > (https://community.icann.org/x/8Yoi) for discussion and possible > > > policy recommendations. > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Dev Anand Teelucksingh > > > Chair, gTLD Review Group > > > > > > > -- > > Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD > > http://www.gih.com/ocl.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ALAC mailing list > > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > > ALAC Working Wiki: > > > https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… > > **** > > > > > > > > **** > > > > ** ** > > > > -- **** > > > > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala**** > > > > P.O. Box 17862**** > > > > Suva**** > > > > Fiji**** > > > > ** ** > > > > Twitter: @SalanietaT**** > > > > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro**** > > > > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851**** > > > > ** ** > > > > **** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > > >-- >Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >P.O. Box 17862 >Suva >Fiji > >Twitter: @SalanietaT >Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >_______________________________________________ >At-Large mailing list >At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] [New gTLD RG] [ALAC] gTLD Review Group decisions regarding the comments on objection grounds on the ".book" application by Amazon EU s.a.r.l
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Oct. 7, 2012

Oct. 7, 2012

The fact that Google is generally considered to be an intermediary service provider, they need to demonstrate that in not allowing second level .blog names to end users is not contrary to global public interest. Policy influences that largely impact on how Google operates. My main concern would be whether we have access to a Study on the Impact of Closed Generic Term Registries and the Impact on global public interest, ICANN's core mission etc. If such a study was done, grateful if the community could point out to me a link so I can read. - Closing off generic name spaces for exclusive use in the wake of extremely poor global campaigns and awareness where ICANN or the gTLD programme is involved; - Challenges for end users and consumers noting that there are consumer groups that have already started lobbying US Senate on the perceived harm; - Controversies surrounding changing the rules during the game vrs GAC Intervention; - Regulatory trends within the US will have an impact on ICANN's policy decisions as far as anti trust, competition is concerned, we have recently seen this when the The Honorable Philip S. Gutierrez, United States District Judge on 4 August 2012 *Manwin Licensing International S.A.R.L., et al. v. ICM Registry, LLC, et al.*had ruled that “anti-trust” claims could be filed over controversial .xxx [see: http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/tal/icann.pdf ]. Not for profit organisations may be subject to the *Sherman Act*. - On one hand, we are saying we advocate an open and free internet but the mere granting Sponsoring organisations exclusive rights over gTLDs without ensuring that these organisations open up registrations of second level domain to others becomes reminiscent of Incumbent Telecom operators pre-liberalisation of markets and whilst it will generate substantial revenue for both these sponsoring organisations and ICANN, it will [eventually] force someone either within the US [Senate or DoC] where this could mean that since ICANN is incapable of self-regulatory aspects to protect global public interest that it may be regulated. This same argument can be used by those Governments who already feel that ICANN should be internationalized if not regulated; On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Seth M Reiss <seth.reiss(a)lex-ip.com> wrote: > Sala – How so?**** > > ** ** > > *From:* newgtldrg-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:newgtldrg-bounces@icann.org] *On > Behalf Of *Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:02 PM > *To:* Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond > *Cc:* ALAC Working List; New gTLD Review Group; Susan Chalmers; apralo; > At-Large Worldwide > *Subject:* Re: [New gTLD RG] [ALAC] gTLD Review Group decisions regarding > the comments on objection grounds on the ".book" application by Amazon EU > s.a.r.l**** > > ** ** > > Dear Dev and All,**** > > ** ** > > The Association of American Publishers and Google entered into a > settlement, see: http://www.publishers.org/press/85/ I thought that this > would be of interest to the .book debate**** > > ** ** > > Kind Regards,**** > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com> > wrote:**** > > Dear Dev, > > thank you very much for your email explaining the course of action which > you recommend. > I am CC'ing the present email to the ALAC for its information. > I also trust that Avri Doria, Chair of the At-Large New gTLD Working > Group, will be picking up the ball from here. I look forward to her WG > making recommendations as to the course of action they suggest. > > Best regards, > > Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond > ALAC Chair > > On 08/08/2012 19:51, Dev Anand Teelucksingh wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > The gTLD Review Group (gTLD RG ; https://community.icann.org/x/u7-bAQ) > > received a comment on community objection grounds by InternetNZ, an > > ALS in APRALO, on the application by Amazon EU S.A.R.L for the applied > > for gTLD string "book" on July 26 2012. > > > > InternetNZ's comment was posted to the At-Large new gTLD Applications > > Dashboard Workspace at > > https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.book+_OG > > > > Several comments from At-Large, including members of the gTLD RG were > > received and posted on the wiki page at > > https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.book+_OG > > including a condensed version of InternetNZ's comment by gTLD RG > > members Eduardo Diaz and Yrjo Lansipuro. > > > > The comments by InternetNZ and others raises concerns regarding the > > availability of 2nd level domains under generic TLDs. Whether domains > > under such proposed generic TLDs should be available or "open" to the > > wider public or "closed" to the applicants applying for the proposed > > gTLD. > > > > Because such concepts are outside the scope of the application for > > ".book" by Amazon EU s.a.r.l, the gTLD RG on its conference call on > > Monday August 6 2012 (https://community.icann.org/x/iAUeAg) decided > > not to submit a comment on this application to the ALAC for possible > > submission to ICANN's new gTLD comment forum before the close of the > > Application Comment Period. > > > > However, given the concepts raised regarding the availability of 2nd > > level domains under gTLDs has policy implications that impacts > > individual Internet end users, the gTLD RG recommends that the issues > > raised be referred to the At-Large new gTLD Working Group > > (https://community.icann.org/x/8Yoi) for discussion and possible > > policy recommendations. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Dev Anand Teelucksingh > > Chair, gTLD Review Group > > > > -- > Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD > http://www.gih.com/ocl.html > > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: > https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… > **** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- **** > > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala**** > > P.O. Box 17862**** > > Suva**** > > Fiji**** > > ** ** > > Twitter: @SalanietaT**** > > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro**** > > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851**** > > ** ** > > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851

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