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Siranush Vardanyan nominated for NomCom Position
by ICANN At-Large Staff Aug. 9, 2010

Aug. 9, 2010

Dear Siranush, Congratulations for your nomination as ALAC-appointed Nominating Committee member from the Asia, Australasia and Pacific Islands region! The nomination period closed yesterday. In accordance with the selection process for this position outlined by the ALAC Chair, we ask you to please indicate whether you would like to accept your nomination on of before Tuesday, 10 August. APRALO will transmit a candidate list for this position to the ALAC by 16 August. You can find the full selection timeline and details about the position under: https://st.icann.org/asiapac/index.cgi?2010_election_calls_apralo -- Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org

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Fwd: [At-Large] DEADLINE: 15 August 2010 - Post-Expiration Domain Name Recovery
by Hong Xue Aug. 9, 2010

Aug. 9, 2010

The Post-Expiration Domain Name Recovery PDP has posted their Initial Report. You will recall that the PDP was initiated by an ALAC Request for Issues Report. The Public Comment Period is open at http://icann.org/en/public-comment/#pednr-initial-report. The comment period will close on 15 August (extended from 01 August). The ALAC comment on this report is at the end of this message. For PEDNR, the Public Comment process features an easy-to-complete survey. Since this policy development process was initiated by At-Large, it is REALLY important that as many At-Large people as possible complete the survey. PLEASE: - Review the comments below to see the At-Large position; - If you have the time, review the Initial Report - the executive summary is available in Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Spanish and Russian. - COMPLETE THE SHORT SURVEY (it can be done without reading the full report). The survey is at <http://www.zoomerang.com/Survey/WEB22AUYRGHCV4>http://www.zoomerang.com/Survey/WEB22AUYRGHCV4. -------------------------------------- The At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) requested the Issues Report which resulted in the Post-Expiration Domain Name Recovery PDP, and it strongly supports the activities of the Working Group. It is essential that the post-expiration "safety net" that existed several years ago be restored. Moreover, the domain industry is sufficiently robust and mature that it can and must provide a level of predictability and security to gTLD domain name holders. In line with the desired outcomes stated in the original Issue Report request, the ALAC supports: 1. Consensus policy requiring that all registrars must allow renewal of domain names for a reasonable amount of time after expiration. 2. Consensus policy explicitly stating the minimum requirements for pre-expiration notices. 3. Consensus policy requiring clarity of how messages will be sent. 4. Consensus policy requiring that WHOIS contents to make it clear that a domain name has expired and has not yet been renewed by the registrant. 5. Consensus policy requiring that notice(s) be sent after expiration. 6. Consensus policy requiring that web sites (port 80) no longer can resolve to the original web site after expiration. 7. Consensus policy requiring that other uses of the domain name (e-mail, FTP, etc.) no longer function after expiration. 8. Consensus policy requiring clarity in the expiration terms and fees offered by registrars. 9. Consensus policy requiring that the Redemption Grace Period be offered by all registries (including future gTLDs) and by all registrars. It is understood that there may be unusual cases where the business models of some registrars may require exceptions to some of these policies. However, the need for such exceptions should not deny the vast majority of registrants a predictable and safe gTLD eco-system. Over and above these minimum requirements, the ALAC supports a move within the registrar community to establish the meaningful and transparent concept of "best practices". _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.ican… At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org -- Dr. Hong Xue Professor of Law Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) Beijing Normal University http://iipl.org.cn/ 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street Beijing 100875 China

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Vivek Vivekanandan nominated for NomCom Position
by ICANN At-Large Staff Aug. 8, 2010

Aug. 8, 2010

Dear Vivek, Congratulations for your nomination as ALAC-appointed Nominating Committee member from the Asia, Australasia and Pacific Islands region! The nomination period for this position closed yesterday. In accordance with the selection process for this position outlined by the ALAC Chair, we ask you indicate whether you would like to accept your nomination on or before Tuesday, 10 August. APRALO will transmit a candidate list for this position to the ALAC by 16 August. You can find the full selection timeline and details about the position under: https://st.icann.org/asiapac/index.cgi?2010_election_calls_apralo -- Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org

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APRALO ALS Representatives for 2010 Elections
by ICANN At-Large Staff Aug. 5, 2010

Aug. 5, 2010

Dear All, In view of the APRALO election cycle 2010, we would like to confirm the ALS representatives for in the online elections and their email contacts. Attached below you find to list with all regional ALSes representatives and the corresponding contacts according to our current information. This email is sent to all ALS representatives and copied to the APRALO mailing list. Please respond to us by Tuesday, August 10th if the information for your ALS need to be changed. You ONLY need to reply to this message if the information for your ALS is INCORRECT. Please do not reply to all recipients of this message, you can simply send to message to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org . We will send out an updated list before the start of the elections. -- Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org ****************** Eligible APRALO voters (total 18): Arab Knowledge Management Society (AKMS) Mahmoud Lattouf mlattouf(a)agip.com At Large@China Asia-Pacific Mengxuan Wu wu.mx(a)hotmail.com Chinese Domain Name Users Alliance Prof. Hong Xue hongxueipr(a)gmail.com Emirates Internet Group Asia-Pacific Khalid Bin Thani info(a)isoc.ae Hong Kong Internet Forum (HKIF) Asia-Pacific Paul Chow paul(a)hkif.hk Internet Users Network Asia-Pacific Izumi Aizu iza(a)anr.org Internet Users Society Niue Stafford Guest sguest(a)niue.nu ISOC Australia Asia-Pacific Cheryl Langdon-Orr langdonorr(a)gmail.com ISOC Chapter India Chennai Sivasubramanian Muthusamy isolatedn(a)gmail.com ISOC HK Edmon Chung edmon(a)isoc.hk ISOC NZ Keith Davidson keith(a)internetnz.net.nz ISOC Taiwan Chapter Asia-Pacific Chung Laung Liu liucl(a)mx.nthu.edu.tw National Information Infrastructure Enterprise Promotion Association (NIIEPA) Sophie Liang lliang(a)nii.org.tw Open Standards and Internet Association (OSIA) Hyun-kook Kahng kahng(a)kkorea.ac.kr Pacific Islands Chapter fo the Internet Society (PICISOC) William (Will) Tibben wjt(a)uow.edu.au Society Vasudhay Kutumbhkum (ISVK)- India Nimrol Agarwal nirmol81(a)yahoo.com Internet Society Pakistan Chapter QasimY. Khan isoc(a)isocpk.org Pakistan ICT Policy Monitor Fouad Riaz Bajwa fouadbajwa(a)gmail.com

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Vice Chair Nominations
by Pavan Budhrani Aug. 4, 2010

Aug. 4, 2010

Hi all, Due to the lack of nominations received for the vice chair position, we have agreed to extend it by 14 days so the deadline is now the 6th of August. Also during the recent APRALO call, a nomination was received for Charles Mok by Edmon Chung for the Vice Chair. Also there is an opening fopr Non Com and Siranush Vardanyan was nominated. Please feel free to make further nominations before the deadline date. Thanks -- Pavan Budhrani Communications Manager, DotAsia Organisation

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nomination for Non com
by nirmol agarwal Aug. 4, 2010

Aug. 4, 2010

Dear All, I hereby nominate Prof.V.C.Vivekanandan for the office of Vice chair NOM COM. Regards, Nirmol K Agarwal "Life is beautiful, but conditions apply. Please read the offer document carefully before investment."

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Outreach Discussions and other agenda items
by Fouad Bajwa Aug. 4, 2010

Aug. 4, 2010

Dear Pavan and all, I would like to direct this discussion on the APRALO list because such meetings have to be planned together with consensus and we have to avoid ad-hoc-ism. As I get back from my travel and settle into things catching up with the messages, I think that this sudden meeting seems to be an ad-hoc activity that isn't in my knowledge nor do I have a record if any consent was requested prior. It seems a bit like the issue of the Armenian ALS that was suddenly thrown in without following a proper discussion and then a consensus based decision process was missing and I am very particular about these things. I wasn't able to attend the last meeting due to time confusion but going over the agenda items discussed and since there wasn't a full quorum to reach decisions and that moves us to the next monthly meeting for which the Chair has to give the call. I don't seem to have knowledge of this meeting call despite the fact that I added my preferred call timing to the doodle link while checking my messages at the airport thinking it to be our regular monthly call. The issue of In-Reach and Out-Reach are full organization-wide objectives as I learnt in Brussels with the surveys and their result activities therefore I personally believe that we shouldn't take this into an extraordinary approach without consensus and continue to keep these issues on Main Agenda items for the formal Monthly Meetings of APRALO. In my role, I will have to treat this meeting call as an Ad-Hoc activity and cannot make a formal approval as it does not have agreed consent in a Monthly Meeting. I will also have to treat the the In-Reach and Out-Reach activities as APRALO's substantive work and objectives thus cancel this meeting call as it is not initiated by the Chair/Vice-Chair. Some of the current agenda items that require key attention and decisions are (some only): 1. Vice-Chair Election 2. Final Decision for approval of Armenian ALS issue and APRALO-EURALO compromise discussions 3. Organizational Matters if any from Chair/Vice-Chair Therefore with the consent of the Chair, I would like to officially cancel his meeting with the decision of non-informed Ad-Hoc meeting scheduling and recommend to remove the item titled "Next APRALO Meeting: 11 August 2010 APRALO In-reach Working Group Teleconference" and rename it to Next Monthly APRALO Meeting while including these agenda items to the monthly meeting space for edit by the Chair or Vice Chair respectively. For any Ad-Hoc meetings in the future, my personal advice is to consult the Chair and/or Vice Chair/s respectively. Everyone has other engagements too and we will have to respect that. Apologies for any confusions to all APRALO Members. The official monthly meeting announcement should come by the end of next week. Best Regards. Fouad Bajwa On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Pavan Budhrani <pavan(a)registry.asia> wrote: > Hello Hong, > > I will be leading this working group. According to the times, the best and > only time is Wednesday, 11th of August at 0600 UTC. The link here > > https://st.icann.org/asiapac/index.cgi?11_august_2010 > > Shows the agenda items and materials and also how to participate in the > call. > > If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact me > > Pavan > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Hong Xue <hongxueipr(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Do we have the agenda for this working group meeting? Although I >> doodled, I won't encourage a call next time without agenda items, >> documents, reference materials duly prepared beforehand. >> >> Who is currently leading this working group? >> >> Hong >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Pavan Budhrani <pavan(a)registry.asia> >> wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > Here is the doodle link, please submit your preference before this >> > Tuesday >> > :) >> > >> > http://www.doodle.com/3w62hmt9dwcsqt2d >> > >> > >> > Pavan Budhrani >> > Communications Manager, >> > DotAsia Organisation >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Hong Xue >> Professor of Law >> Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) >> Beijing Normal University >> http://iipl.org.cn/ >> 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street >> Beijing 100875 China > > > > -- > Pavan Budhrani > Communications Manager, > DotAsia Organisation > >

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] APAC-Discuss Digest, Vol 44, Issue 16
by Carlton Samuels Aug. 1, 2010

Aug. 1, 2010

Adam's advice is right on the money and I would suggest we proceed as advised. FWIW, the Geo Regions debate gets even more woolly. Lots of Caribbean countries, including Jamaica, are in the ARIN space for numbers distribution; that is, the North American RIR. Yet we caucus as At-Large with LACRALO. It gets even more confusing with the Cayman Islands. They're 45 mins from KIN by jet aircraft and at one time, they were governed from Jamaica. Their political affiliation as a British Overseas Territory makes them from an At-Large perspective EURALO. Yet they are covered by ARIN for numbers administration. Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:00 PM, < apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: > Send APAC-Discuss mailing list submissions to > apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > apac-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of APAC-Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical > Center (Adam Peake) > 2. Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical > Center (Adam Peake) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:49:16 +0900 > From: Adam Peake <ajp(a)glocom.ac.jp> > To: S?bastien Bachollet <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> > Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org>, Wolf Ludwig > <wolf.ludwig(a)comunica-ch.net>, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond > <ocl(a)gih.com>, apralo <apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ALS Application from the Information > Policy Analytical Center > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimHBuuhkMFkfLaSq1OgvnANe++XqgbSAbbgFFck(a)mail.gmail.com<AANLkTimHBuuhkMFkfLaSq1OgvnANe%2B%2BXqgbSAbbgFFck(a)mail.gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Seems to me it would be best to keep any discussion about regions > within the process to discuss regions, CLO and Carlton our reps in > that process. > > If we start making rules as we go along then it will just confuse > everyone. In this case the applicant ALS is happy to be in APRALO, so > let's just make sure regional advice is done on time and we can, > hopefully, accept another member. > > Applicant's initial confusion perhaps because Azerbaijan is part of > RIPE-NCC territory? But doesn't really matter, if they are not asking > to be in EARALO why should we care at this time. > > Seems they may have some connection with the Global Internet Policy > Initiative (GIPI), George Sadowsky ran that at one time. > > Adam > > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:52 AM, S?bastien Bachollet > <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> wrote: > > Dear Fouad, > > Thanks for your proposal. > > It is always good to see good willing between At-Large regions to find > > "intelligent" way to work jointly. > > I will be happy to discuss that issue in a common call to see the > > possibilities. > > All the best > > > > S?bastien Bachollet > > sebastien(a)bachollet.com > > +33 6 07 66 89 33 > > > > > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De?: Fouad Bajwa [mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com] > >> Envoy??: vendredi 30 juillet 2010 16:33 > >> ??: Matthias Langenegger > >> Cc?: Hong Xue; apralo; Pavan Budhrani; ICANN At-Large Staff; Olivier MJ > >> Crepin-Leblond; Wolf Ludwig; S?bastien Bachollet > >> Objet?: Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical > >> Center > >> > >> Dear Matthias, > >> > >> We will have to do our ground work and my intention is not to announce > >> another geographic region on our own. My intention is for APRALO and > >> EURALO to work on this case we have in our hands and find a compromise > >> or proposal that we can then make to ALAC so we are following some > >> liaison opportunity here between the two RALO's here and I am > >> interested in exploring this case further as much as possible because > >> this is a real issue that we have to resolve within our community. > >> > >> Once again, I request the staff to await the community's discussion > >> and suggestions on this issue. > >> > >> Thank you and take care! > >> > >> Best Regards. > >> > >> 2010/7/30 Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org>: > >> > Dear Fouad, > >> > > >> > Thank you for your thoughtful comments. > >> > > >> > ICANN's geographic regions have been subject for debate for a long > >> time and > >> > resulted in the creation of a working group to discuss the current > >> framework > >> > and make recommendations on how to improve it. The working group > >> recently > >> > published its comprehensive Draft Interim Report (see > >> > http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- > >> en.htm#foot3) > >> > > >> > Cheryl Langdon-Orr and Carlton Samuels are the At-Large > >> representatives in > >> > the Geographic Regions WG. I suggest that we take up issues with > >> regards to > >> > the current ICANN geographic regions framework directly with Cheryl > >> and > >> > Carlton. > >> > > >> > The ICANN regional framework applies to all ICANN constituencies and > >> it is > >> > not currently possible for RALOs to define their geographic > >> boundaries. The > >> > Memoranda of Understanding between APRALO and EURALO specifically > >> refer to > >> > "Geographic Region as defined by ICANN" (Art 1.2.2 of EURALO MoU and > >> Art. > >> > 2.1 of APRALO MoU). > >> > > >> > We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues > >> outlined > >> > above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with the > >> > application process to join APRALO. > >> > > >> > I hope this is helpful. > >> > > >> > Best Regards, > >> > -- > >> > Matthias Langenegger > >> > Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs > >> > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > >> > > >> > Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org > >> > Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 > >> > Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 > >> > Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 30/07/2010 15:30, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Dear Matthias, > >> >> > >> >> I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution > >> since > >> >> within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there > >> are > >> >> always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on > >> >> issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On > >> >> this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO. > >> >> > >> >> When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of > >> >> Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the > >> country > >> >> that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the > >> Ottoman > >> >> Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not > >> possible > >> >> to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia > >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as > >> a > >> >> EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only. > >> >> > >> >> The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles > >> >> that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point > >> to > >> >> but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs > >> >> where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable > >> >> solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a > >> >> change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach > >> a > >> >> compromise because this is need-to-need based. > >> >> > >> >> Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from > >> >> joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, > >> >> Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact > >> >> remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community > >> and > >> >> the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can > >> >> jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus. > >> >> > >> >> I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding > >> this > >> >> interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact > >> >> with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the > >> >> community. > >> >> > >> >> In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work > >> together > >> >> to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities. > >> >> > >> >> Best > >> >> > >> >> Fouad Bajwa > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger > >> >> <matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org> wrote: > >> >>> Thank you, Hong. > >> >>> > >> >>> We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently > >> possible > >> >>> to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's > >> >>> geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full > >> list under: > >> >>> http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm) > >> >>> > >> >>> ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive > >> review on the > >> >>> current geographic model and has recently published its Latest > >> Draft Interim > >> >>> Report (see > >> >>> http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- > >> en.htm#foot3) > >> >>> > >> >>> Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with > >> Carlton > >> >>> Samuels. > >> >>> > >> >>> Best Regards, > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Matthias Langenegger > >> >>> Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs > >> >>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > >> >>> > >> >>> Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org > >> >>> Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 > >> >>> Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 > >> >>> Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a > >> >>>> question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that > >> the > >> >>>> applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did > >> I > >> >>>> overlook anything? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Hong > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff > >> >>>> <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> wrote: > >> >>>>> Dear all, > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from > >> the > >> >>>>> Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, > >> Azerbaijan and > >> >>>>> would be a member of APRALO if accepted. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this > >> >>>>> application will be provided to you in due course. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> -- > >> >>>>> Regards, > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber- > >> White, > >> >>>>> Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordstr?m > >> >>>>> ICANN At-Large Staff > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org > >> >>>>> website: www.atlarge.icann.org > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Regards. > >> -------------------------- > >> Fouad Bajwa > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > APAC-Discuss mailing list > > APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > > Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:11:03 +0900 > From: Adam Peake <ajp(a)glocom.ac.jp> > To: S?bastien Bachollet <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> > Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org>, Wolf Ludwig > <wolf.ludwig(a)comunica-ch.net>, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond > <ocl(a)gih.com>, apralo <apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ALS Application from the Information > Policy Analytical Center > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimH0+m3Zqopam_8J7EwE4XKjgst-sFWp027SNmk(a)mail.gmail.com<AANLkTimH0%2Bm3Zqopam_8J7EwE4XKjgst-sFWp027SNmk(a)mail.gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 7:12 PM, S?bastien Bachollet > <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> wrote: > > Hello Adam, > > But all the contrary. > > They are asking to be Euralo > > > I thought the situation was that they asked to join EURALO (as shown > in their application), but staff told them of ICANN's regions and they > agreed to APRALO, quoting Matthias: > > > "We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues > outlined > above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with the > application process to join APRALO." > > If they are actually insisting on being European then we have an > issue. If not, then let's leave individual matters alone and continue > through the regional review. > > Thanks, > > Adam > > > > > and we tell them (it is an action item of the > > last week call of ALAC) that they can't, they need to be APRALO. > > It is why opening the discussion as suggested by Fouad is a good idea, > not > > the change the regions but to see how we can accommodate part of their > > wishes. > > Azerbaijan is also member of Council of Europe. > > > > To start to push some ideas. > > IPAC become if APRALO and ALAC are OK member of APRALO. > > Regarding votes, elections... they need to do that with APRALO. > > And if they want, they can participate in any discussion within Euralo. > > It could be a first step to accommodate them without changing any rules. > > All the best > > > > S?bastien Bachollet > > sebastien(a)bachollet.com > > +33 6 07 66 89 33 > > > > > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De?: apeake(a)gmail.com [mailto:apeake@gmail.com] De la part de Adam > >> Peake > >> Envoy??: samedi 31 juillet 2010 11:49 > >> ??: S?bastien Bachollet > >> Cc?: Fouad Bajwa; Matthias Langenegger; ICANN At-Large Staff; Wolf > >> Ludwig; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; apralo > >> Objet?: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ALS Application from the Information Policy > >> Analytical Center > >> > >> Seems to me it would be best to keep any discussion about regions > >> within the process to discuss regions, CLO and Carlton our reps in > >> that process. > >> > >> If we start making rules as we go along then it will just confuse > >> everyone. ?In this case the applicant ALS is happy to be in APRALO, so > >> let's just make sure regional advice is done on time and we can, > >> hopefully, accept another member. > >> > >> Applicant's initial confusion perhaps because Azerbaijan is part of > >> RIPE-NCC territory? But doesn't really matter, if they are not asking > >> to be in EARALO why should we care at this time. > >> > >> Seems they may have some connection with the Global Internet Policy > >> Initiative (GIPI), George Sadowsky ran that at one time. > >> > >> Adam > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:52 AM, S?bastien Bachollet > >> <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> wrote: > >> > Dear Fouad, > >> > Thanks for your proposal. > >> > It is always good to see good willing between At-Large regions to > >> find > >> > "intelligent" way to work jointly. > >> > I will be happy to discuss that issue in a common call to see the > >> > possibilities. > >> > All the best > >> > > >> > S?bastien Bachollet > >> > sebastien(a)bachollet.com > >> > +33 6 07 66 89 33 > >> > > >> > > >> >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> >> De?: Fouad Bajwa [mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com] > >> >> Envoy??: vendredi 30 juillet 2010 16:33 > >> >> ??: Matthias Langenegger > >> >> Cc?: Hong Xue; apralo; Pavan Budhrani; ICANN At-Large Staff; Olivier > >> MJ > >> >> Crepin-Leblond; Wolf Ludwig; S?bastien Bachollet > >> >> Objet?: Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical > >> >> Center > >> >> > >> >> Dear Matthias, > >> >> > >> >> We will have to do our ground work and my intention is not to > >> announce > >> >> another geographic region on our own. My intention is for APRALO and > >> >> EURALO to work on this case we have in our hands and find a > >> compromise > >> >> or proposal that we can then make to ALAC so we are following some > >> >> liaison opportunity here between the two RALO's here and I am > >> >> interested in exploring this case further as much as possible > >> because > >> >> this is a real issue that we have to resolve within our community. > >> >> > >> >> Once again, I request the staff to await the community's discussion > >> >> and suggestions on this issue. > >> >> > >> >> Thank you and take care! > >> >> > >> >> Best Regards. > >> >> > >> >> 2010/7/30 Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org>: > >> >> > Dear Fouad, > >> >> > > >> >> > Thank you for your thoughtful comments. > >> >> > > >> >> > ICANN's geographic regions have been subject for debate for a long > >> >> time and > >> >> > resulted in the creation of a working group to discuss the current > >> >> framework > >> >> > and make recommendations on how to improve it. The working group > >> >> recently > >> >> > published its comprehensive Draft Interim Report (see > >> >> > http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- > >> >> en.htm#foot3) > >> >> > > >> >> > Cheryl Langdon-Orr and Carlton Samuels are the At-Large > >> >> representatives in > >> >> > the Geographic Regions WG. I suggest that we take up issues with > >> >> regards to > >> >> > the current ICANN geographic regions framework directly with > >> Cheryl > >> >> and > >> >> > Carlton. > >> >> > > >> >> > The ICANN regional framework applies to all ICANN constituencies > >> and > >> >> it is > >> >> > not currently possible for RALOs to define their geographic > >> >> boundaries. The > >> >> > Memoranda of Understanding between APRALO and EURALO specifically > >> >> refer to > >> >> > "Geographic Region as defined by ICANN" (Art 1.2.2 of EURALO MoU > >> and > >> >> Art. > >> >> > 2.1 of APRALO MoU). > >> >> > > >> >> > We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues > >> >> outlined > >> >> > above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with > >> the > >> >> > application process to join APRALO. > >> >> > > >> >> > I hope this is helpful. > >> >> > > >> >> > Best Regards, > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Matthias Langenegger > >> >> > Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs > >> >> > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > >> >> > > >> >> > Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org > >> >> > Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 > >> >> > Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 > >> >> > Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On 30/07/2010 15:30, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Dear Matthias, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution > >> >> since > >> >> >> within this framework of community consensus, I believe that > >> there > >> >> are > >> >> >> always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's > >> on > >> >> >> issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. > >> On > >> >> >> this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge > >> of > >> >> >> Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the > >> >> country > >> >> >> that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the > >> >> Ottoman > >> >> >> Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not > >> >> possible > >> >> >> to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia > >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this > >> as > >> >> a > >> >> >> EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less > >> principles > >> >> >> that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links > >> point > >> >> to > >> >> >> but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate > >> ALSs > >> >> >> where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally > >> acceptable > >> >> >> solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to > >> request a > >> >> >> change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to > >> reach > >> >> a > >> >> >> compromise because this is need-to-need based. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from > >> >> >> joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf > >> Ludwig, > >> >> >> Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the > >> fact > >> >> >> remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community > >> >> and > >> >> >> the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we > >> can > >> >> >> jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding > >> >> this > >> >> >> interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make > >> contact > >> >> >> with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the > >> >> >> community. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work > >> >> together > >> >> >> to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Best > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Fouad Bajwa > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger > >> >> >> <matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org> wrote: > >> >> >>> Thank you, Hong. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not > >> currently > >> >> possible > >> >> >>> to choose the region they would like to join. According to > >> ICANN's > >> >> >>> geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full > >> >> list under: > >> >> >>> http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions- > >> topic.htm). > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive > >> >> review on the > >> >> >>> current geographic model and has recently published its Latest > >> >> Draft Interim > >> >> >>> Report (see > >> >> >>> http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- > >> >> en.htm#foot3) > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along > >> with > >> >> Carlton > >> >> >>> Samuels. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Best Regards, > >> >> >>> -- > >> >> >>> Matthias Langenegger > >> >> >>> Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs > >> >> >>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org > >> >> >>> Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 > >> >> >>> Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 > >> >> >>> Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>>> Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a > >> >> >>>> question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems > >> that > >> >> the > >> >> >>>> applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. > >> Did > >> >> I > >> >> >>>> overlook anything? > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Hong > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff > >> >> >>>> <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> wrote: > >> >> >>>>> Dear all, > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from > >> >> the > >> >> >>>>> Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, > >> >> Azerbaijan and > >> >> >>>>> would be a member of APRALO if accepted. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for > >> this > >> >> >>>>> application will be provided to you in due course. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> -- > >> >> >>>>> Regards, > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella > >> Gruber- > >> >> White, > >> >> >>>>> Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordstr?m > >> >> >>>>> ICANN At-Large Staff > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org > >> >> >>>>> website: www.atlarge.icann.org > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Regards. > >> >> -------------------------- > >> >> Fouad Bajwa > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > APAC-Discuss mailing list > >> > APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss_atlarge- > >> lists.icann.org > >> > > >> > Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > APAC-Discuss mailing list > APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > End of APAC-Discuss Digest, Vol 44, Issue 16 > ******************************************** >

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] Your message to APAC-Discuss awaits moderator approval
by Fouad Bajwa July 30, 2010

July 30, 2010

Hi Matthias, Kindly allow my email address to share my message and this thread with multiple recipients as urgently as possible. On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 3:30 PM, <apac-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: > Your mail to 'APAC-Discuss' with the subject > > Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical Center > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Too many recipients to the message > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel > this posting, please visit the following URL: > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/confirm/apac-discuss_atlarge-lists.i… > > -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa

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EURALO & APRALO Cooperation on issue of Armenian ALS App
by Fouad Bajwa July 30, 2010

July 30, 2010

Dear EURALO Members, Greetings from Asia though I am travelling in Germany! We recently received an ALS joining request from an Armenian party namely Information Policy Analytical Center and I wanted to invite your RALO's comment on this interesting issue. I would like EURALO and APRALO to collectively explore this issue. IF you kindly browse through the messages below in a communication that has been taking place in APRALO, the staff pointed us to Armenia being an Asia region. Todate, my knowledge has been that Armenia is a EuroAsian region. Now the issue is that Armenia is very near to Europe and would be better off in my personal opinion to be coordinated under EURALO or may be we can strike a possible consensus to propose Armenian application requests to be treated as EuroAsia and our RALO's can mutually explore agreement to directing such an application to EURALO. Logically this region would possibly have issues closer to issues faced by other EURALO ALSs and lesser important than Asian region issues though this may just be my personal view. Therefore dear Colleagues, I would like to request EURALO to help us to resolve this issue and where if possible, forward this issue to the At-Large leadership to further discuss with ICANN. I look forward your suggestions. Best Regards Fouad Bajwa 2010/7/30 Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa(a)gmail.com>: > Dear Matthias, > > I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since > within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are > always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on > issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On > this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO. > > When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of > Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country > that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman > Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible > to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a > EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only. > > The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles > that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to > but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs > where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable > solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a > change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a > compromise because this is need-to-need based. > > Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from > joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, > Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact > remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and > the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can > jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus. > > I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this > interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact > with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the > community. > > In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together > to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities. > > Best > > Fouad Bajwa > > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger > <matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org> wrote: >> Thank you, Hong. >> >> We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible >> to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's >> geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: >> http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm) >> >> ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the >> current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim >> Report (see >> http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10-en.htm#foot3) >> >> Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton >> Samuels. >> >> Best Regards, >> -- >> Matthias Langenegger >> Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) >> >> Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org >> Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 >> Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 >> Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger >> >> >> >> On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a >>> question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the >>> applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I >>> overlook anything? >>> >>> Hong >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff >>> <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the >>>> Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and >>>> would be a member of APRALO if accepted. >>>> >>>> Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this >>>> application will be provided to you in due course. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, >>>> Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström >>>> ICANN At-Large Staff >>>> >>>> email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org >>>> website: www.atlarge.icann.org >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa

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