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Vice Chair Nominations
by Pavan Budhrani Aug. 4, 2010

Aug. 4, 2010

Hi all, Due to the lack of nominations received for the vice chair position, we have agreed to extend it by 14 days so the deadline is now the 6th of August. Also during the recent APRALO call, a nomination was received for Charles Mok by Edmon Chung for the Vice Chair. Also there is an opening fopr Non Com and Siranush Vardanyan was nominated. Please feel free to make further nominations before the deadline date. Thanks -- Pavan Budhrani Communications Manager, DotAsia Organisation

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nomination for Non com
by nirmol agarwal Aug. 4, 2010

Aug. 4, 2010

Dear All, I hereby nominate Prof.V.C.Vivekanandan for the office of Vice chair NOM COM. Regards, Nirmol K Agarwal "Life is beautiful, but conditions apply. Please read the offer document carefully before investment."

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Outreach Discussions and other agenda items
by Fouad Bajwa Aug. 4, 2010

Aug. 4, 2010

Dear Pavan and all, I would like to direct this discussion on the APRALO list because such meetings have to be planned together with consensus and we have to avoid ad-hoc-ism. As I get back from my travel and settle into things catching up with the messages, I think that this sudden meeting seems to be an ad-hoc activity that isn't in my knowledge nor do I have a record if any consent was requested prior. It seems a bit like the issue of the Armenian ALS that was suddenly thrown in without following a proper discussion and then a consensus based decision process was missing and I am very particular about these things. I wasn't able to attend the last meeting due to time confusion but going over the agenda items discussed and since there wasn't a full quorum to reach decisions and that moves us to the next monthly meeting for which the Chair has to give the call. I don't seem to have knowledge of this meeting call despite the fact that I added my preferred call timing to the doodle link while checking my messages at the airport thinking it to be our regular monthly call. The issue of In-Reach and Out-Reach are full organization-wide objectives as I learnt in Brussels with the surveys and their result activities therefore I personally believe that we shouldn't take this into an extraordinary approach without consensus and continue to keep these issues on Main Agenda items for the formal Monthly Meetings of APRALO. In my role, I will have to treat this meeting call as an Ad-Hoc activity and cannot make a formal approval as it does not have agreed consent in a Monthly Meeting. I will also have to treat the the In-Reach and Out-Reach activities as APRALO's substantive work and objectives thus cancel this meeting call as it is not initiated by the Chair/Vice-Chair. Some of the current agenda items that require key attention and decisions are (some only): 1. Vice-Chair Election 2. Final Decision for approval of Armenian ALS issue and APRALO-EURALO compromise discussions 3. Organizational Matters if any from Chair/Vice-Chair Therefore with the consent of the Chair, I would like to officially cancel his meeting with the decision of non-informed Ad-Hoc meeting scheduling and recommend to remove the item titled "Next APRALO Meeting: 11 August 2010 APRALO In-reach Working Group Teleconference" and rename it to Next Monthly APRALO Meeting while including these agenda items to the monthly meeting space for edit by the Chair or Vice Chair respectively. For any Ad-Hoc meetings in the future, my personal advice is to consult the Chair and/or Vice Chair/s respectively. Everyone has other engagements too and we will have to respect that. Apologies for any confusions to all APRALO Members. The official monthly meeting announcement should come by the end of next week. Best Regards. Fouad Bajwa On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Pavan Budhrani <pavan(a)registry.asia> wrote: > Hello Hong, > > I will be leading this working group. According to the times, the best and > only time is Wednesday, 11th of August at 0600 UTC. The link here > > https://st.icann.org/asiapac/index.cgi?11_august_2010 > > Shows the agenda items and materials and also how to participate in the > call. > > If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact me > > Pavan > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Hong Xue <hongxueipr(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Do we have the agenda for this working group meeting? Although I >> doodled, I won't encourage a call next time without agenda items, >> documents, reference materials duly prepared beforehand. >> >> Who is currently leading this working group? >> >> Hong >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Pavan Budhrani <pavan(a)registry.asia> >> wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > Here is the doodle link, please submit your preference before this >> > Tuesday >> > :) >> > >> > http://www.doodle.com/3w62hmt9dwcsqt2d >> > >> > >> > Pavan Budhrani >> > Communications Manager, >> > DotAsia Organisation >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Hong Xue >> Professor of Law >> Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) >> Beijing Normal University >> http://iipl.org.cn/ >> 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street >> Beijing 100875 China > > > > -- > Pavan Budhrani > Communications Manager, > DotAsia Organisation > >

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] APAC-Discuss Digest, Vol 44, Issue 16
by Carlton Samuels Aug. 1, 2010

Aug. 1, 2010

Adam's advice is right on the money and I would suggest we proceed as advised. FWIW, the Geo Regions debate gets even more woolly. Lots of Caribbean countries, including Jamaica, are in the ARIN space for numbers distribution; that is, the North American RIR. Yet we caucus as At-Large with LACRALO. It gets even more confusing with the Cayman Islands. They're 45 mins from KIN by jet aircraft and at one time, they were governed from Jamaica. Their political affiliation as a British Overseas Territory makes them from an At-Large perspective EURALO. Yet they are covered by ARIN for numbers administration. Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:00 PM, < apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: > Send APAC-Discuss mailing list submissions to > apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > apac-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of APAC-Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical > Center (Adam Peake) > 2. Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical > Center (Adam Peake) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:49:16 +0900 > From: Adam Peake <ajp(a)glocom.ac.jp> > To: S?bastien Bachollet <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> > Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org>, Wolf Ludwig > <wolf.ludwig(a)comunica-ch.net>, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond > <ocl(a)gih.com>, apralo <apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ALS Application from the Information > Policy Analytical Center > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimHBuuhkMFkfLaSq1OgvnANe++XqgbSAbbgFFck(a)mail.gmail.com<AANLkTimHBuuhkMFkfLaSq1OgvnANe%2B%2BXqgbSAbbgFFck(a)mail.gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Seems to me it would be best to keep any discussion about regions > within the process to discuss regions, CLO and Carlton our reps in > that process. > > If we start making rules as we go along then it will just confuse > everyone. In this case the applicant ALS is happy to be in APRALO, so > let's just make sure regional advice is done on time and we can, > hopefully, accept another member. > > Applicant's initial confusion perhaps because Azerbaijan is part of > RIPE-NCC territory? But doesn't really matter, if they are not asking > to be in EARALO why should we care at this time. > > Seems they may have some connection with the Global Internet Policy > Initiative (GIPI), George Sadowsky ran that at one time. > > Adam > > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:52 AM, S?bastien Bachollet > <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> wrote: > > Dear Fouad, > > Thanks for your proposal. > > It is always good to see good willing between At-Large regions to find > > "intelligent" way to work jointly. > > I will be happy to discuss that issue in a common call to see the > > possibilities. > > All the best > > > > S?bastien Bachollet > > sebastien(a)bachollet.com > > +33 6 07 66 89 33 > > > > > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De?: Fouad Bajwa [mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com] > >> Envoy??: vendredi 30 juillet 2010 16:33 > >> ??: Matthias Langenegger > >> Cc?: Hong Xue; apralo; Pavan Budhrani; ICANN At-Large Staff; Olivier MJ > >> Crepin-Leblond; Wolf Ludwig; S?bastien Bachollet > >> Objet?: Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical > >> Center > >> > >> Dear Matthias, > >> > >> We will have to do our ground work and my intention is not to announce > >> another geographic region on our own. My intention is for APRALO and > >> EURALO to work on this case we have in our hands and find a compromise > >> or proposal that we can then make to ALAC so we are following some > >> liaison opportunity here between the two RALO's here and I am > >> interested in exploring this case further as much as possible because > >> this is a real issue that we have to resolve within our community. > >> > >> Once again, I request the staff to await the community's discussion > >> and suggestions on this issue. > >> > >> Thank you and take care! > >> > >> Best Regards. > >> > >> 2010/7/30 Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org>: > >> > Dear Fouad, > >> > > >> > Thank you for your thoughtful comments. > >> > > >> > ICANN's geographic regions have been subject for debate for a long > >> time and > >> > resulted in the creation of a working group to discuss the current > >> framework > >> > and make recommendations on how to improve it. The working group > >> recently > >> > published its comprehensive Draft Interim Report (see > >> > http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- > >> en.htm#foot3) > >> > > >> > Cheryl Langdon-Orr and Carlton Samuels are the At-Large > >> representatives in > >> > the Geographic Regions WG. I suggest that we take up issues with > >> regards to > >> > the current ICANN geographic regions framework directly with Cheryl > >> and > >> > Carlton. > >> > > >> > The ICANN regional framework applies to all ICANN constituencies and > >> it is > >> > not currently possible for RALOs to define their geographic > >> boundaries. The > >> > Memoranda of Understanding between APRALO and EURALO specifically > >> refer to > >> > "Geographic Region as defined by ICANN" (Art 1.2.2 of EURALO MoU and > >> Art. > >> > 2.1 of APRALO MoU). > >> > > >> > We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues > >> outlined > >> > above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with the > >> > application process to join APRALO. > >> > > >> > I hope this is helpful. > >> > > >> > Best Regards, > >> > -- > >> > Matthias Langenegger > >> > Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs > >> > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > >> > > >> > Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org > >> > Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 > >> > Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 > >> > Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 30/07/2010 15:30, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Dear Matthias, > >> >> > >> >> I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution > >> since > >> >> within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there > >> are > >> >> always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on > >> >> issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On > >> >> this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO. > >> >> > >> >> When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of > >> >> Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the > >> country > >> >> that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the > >> Ottoman > >> >> Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not > >> possible > >> >> to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia > >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as > >> a > >> >> EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only. > >> >> > >> >> The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles > >> >> that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point > >> to > >> >> but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs > >> >> where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable > >> >> solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a > >> >> change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach > >> a > >> >> compromise because this is need-to-need based. > >> >> > >> >> Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from > >> >> joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, > >> >> Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact > >> >> remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community > >> and > >> >> the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can > >> >> jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus. > >> >> > >> >> I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding > >> this > >> >> interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact > >> >> with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the > >> >> community. > >> >> > >> >> In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work > >> together > >> >> to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities. > >> >> > >> >> Best > >> >> > >> >> Fouad Bajwa > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger > >> >> <matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org> wrote: > >> >>> Thank you, Hong. > >> >>> > >> >>> We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently > >> possible > >> >>> to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's > >> >>> geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full > >> list under: > >> >>> http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm) > >> >>> > >> >>> ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive > >> review on the > >> >>> current geographic model and has recently published its Latest > >> Draft Interim > >> >>> Report (see > >> >>> http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- > >> en.htm#foot3) > >> >>> > >> >>> Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with > >> Carlton > >> >>> Samuels. > >> >>> > >> >>> Best Regards, > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Matthias Langenegger > >> >>> Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs > >> >>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > >> >>> > >> >>> Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org > >> >>> Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 > >> >>> Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 > >> >>> Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a > >> >>>> question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that > >> the > >> >>>> applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did > >> I > >> >>>> overlook anything? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Hong > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff > >> >>>> <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> wrote: > >> >>>>> Dear all, > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from > >> the > >> >>>>> Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, > >> Azerbaijan and > >> >>>>> would be a member of APRALO if accepted. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this > >> >>>>> application will be provided to you in due course. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> -- > >> >>>>> Regards, > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber- > >> White, > >> >>>>> Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordstr?m > >> >>>>> ICANN At-Large Staff > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org > >> >>>>> website: www.atlarge.icann.org > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Regards. > >> -------------------------- > >> Fouad Bajwa > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > APAC-Discuss mailing list > > APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > > Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:11:03 +0900 > From: Adam Peake <ajp(a)glocom.ac.jp> > To: S?bastien Bachollet <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> > Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org>, Wolf Ludwig > <wolf.ludwig(a)comunica-ch.net>, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond > <ocl(a)gih.com>, apralo <apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ALS Application from the Information > Policy Analytical Center > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimH0+m3Zqopam_8J7EwE4XKjgst-sFWp027SNmk(a)mail.gmail.com<AANLkTimH0%2Bm3Zqopam_8J7EwE4XKjgst-sFWp027SNmk(a)mail.gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 7:12 PM, S?bastien Bachollet > <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> wrote: > > Hello Adam, > > But all the contrary. > > They are asking to be Euralo > > > I thought the situation was that they asked to join EURALO (as shown > in their application), but staff told them of ICANN's regions and they > agreed to APRALO, quoting Matthias: > > > "We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues > outlined > above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with the > application process to join APRALO." > > If they are actually insisting on being European then we have an > issue. If not, then let's leave individual matters alone and continue > through the regional review. > > Thanks, > > Adam > > > > > and we tell them (it is an action item of the > > last week call of ALAC) that they can't, they need to be APRALO. > > It is why opening the discussion as suggested by Fouad is a good idea, > not > > the change the regions but to see how we can accommodate part of their > > wishes. > > Azerbaijan is also member of Council of Europe. > > > > To start to push some ideas. > > IPAC become if APRALO and ALAC are OK member of APRALO. > > Regarding votes, elections... they need to do that with APRALO. > > And if they want, they can participate in any discussion within Euralo. > > It could be a first step to accommodate them without changing any rules. > > All the best > > > > S?bastien Bachollet > > sebastien(a)bachollet.com > > +33 6 07 66 89 33 > > > > > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De?: apeake(a)gmail.com [mailto:apeake@gmail.com] De la part de Adam > >> Peake > >> Envoy??: samedi 31 juillet 2010 11:49 > >> ??: S?bastien Bachollet > >> Cc?: Fouad Bajwa; Matthias Langenegger; ICANN At-Large Staff; Wolf > >> Ludwig; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; apralo > >> Objet?: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ALS Application from the Information Policy > >> Analytical Center > >> > >> Seems to me it would be best to keep any discussion about regions > >> within the process to discuss regions, CLO and Carlton our reps in > >> that process. > >> > >> If we start making rules as we go along then it will just confuse > >> everyone. ?In this case the applicant ALS is happy to be in APRALO, so > >> let's just make sure regional advice is done on time and we can, > >> hopefully, accept another member. > >> > >> Applicant's initial confusion perhaps because Azerbaijan is part of > >> RIPE-NCC territory? But doesn't really matter, if they are not asking > >> to be in EARALO why should we care at this time. > >> > >> Seems they may have some connection with the Global Internet Policy > >> Initiative (GIPI), George Sadowsky ran that at one time. > >> > >> Adam > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:52 AM, S?bastien Bachollet > >> <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> wrote: > >> > Dear Fouad, > >> > Thanks for your proposal. > >> > It is always good to see good willing between At-Large regions to > >> find > >> > "intelligent" way to work jointly. > >> > I will be happy to discuss that issue in a common call to see the > >> > possibilities. > >> > All the best > >> > > >> > S?bastien Bachollet > >> > sebastien(a)bachollet.com > >> > +33 6 07 66 89 33 > >> > > >> > > >> >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> >> De?: Fouad Bajwa [mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com] > >> >> Envoy??: vendredi 30 juillet 2010 16:33 > >> >> ??: Matthias Langenegger > >> >> Cc?: Hong Xue; apralo; Pavan Budhrani; ICANN At-Large Staff; Olivier > >> MJ > >> >> Crepin-Leblond; Wolf Ludwig; S?bastien Bachollet > >> >> Objet?: Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical > >> >> Center > >> >> > >> >> Dear Matthias, > >> >> > >> >> We will have to do our ground work and my intention is not to > >> announce > >> >> another geographic region on our own. My intention is for APRALO and > >> >> EURALO to work on this case we have in our hands and find a > >> compromise > >> >> or proposal that we can then make to ALAC so we are following some > >> >> liaison opportunity here between the two RALO's here and I am > >> >> interested in exploring this case further as much as possible > >> because > >> >> this is a real issue that we have to resolve within our community. > >> >> > >> >> Once again, I request the staff to await the community's discussion > >> >> and suggestions on this issue. > >> >> > >> >> Thank you and take care! > >> >> > >> >> Best Regards. > >> >> > >> >> 2010/7/30 Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org>: > >> >> > Dear Fouad, > >> >> > > >> >> > Thank you for your thoughtful comments. > >> >> > > >> >> > ICANN's geographic regions have been subject for debate for a long > >> >> time and > >> >> > resulted in the creation of a working group to discuss the current > >> >> framework > >> >> > and make recommendations on how to improve it. The working group > >> >> recently > >> >> > published its comprehensive Draft Interim Report (see > >> >> > http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- > >> >> en.htm#foot3) > >> >> > > >> >> > Cheryl Langdon-Orr and Carlton Samuels are the At-Large > >> >> representatives in > >> >> > the Geographic Regions WG. I suggest that we take up issues with > >> >> regards to > >> >> > the current ICANN geographic regions framework directly with > >> Cheryl > >> >> and > >> >> > Carlton. > >> >> > > >> >> > The ICANN regional framework applies to all ICANN constituencies > >> and > >> >> it is > >> >> > not currently possible for RALOs to define their geographic > >> >> boundaries. The > >> >> > Memoranda of Understanding between APRALO and EURALO specifically > >> >> refer to > >> >> > "Geographic Region as defined by ICANN" (Art 1.2.2 of EURALO MoU > >> and > >> >> Art. > >> >> > 2.1 of APRALO MoU). > >> >> > > >> >> > We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues > >> >> outlined > >> >> > above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with > >> the > >> >> > application process to join APRALO. > >> >> > > >> >> > I hope this is helpful. > >> >> > > >> >> > Best Regards, > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Matthias Langenegger > >> >> > Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs > >> >> > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > >> >> > > >> >> > Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org > >> >> > Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 > >> >> > Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 > >> >> > Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On 30/07/2010 15:30, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Dear Matthias, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution > >> >> since > >> >> >> within this framework of community consensus, I believe that > >> there > >> >> are > >> >> >> always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's > >> on > >> >> >> issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. > >> On > >> >> >> this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge > >> of > >> >> >> Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the > >> >> country > >> >> >> that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the > >> >> Ottoman > >> >> >> Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not > >> >> possible > >> >> >> to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia > >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this > >> as > >> >> a > >> >> >> EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less > >> principles > >> >> >> that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links > >> point > >> >> to > >> >> >> but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate > >> ALSs > >> >> >> where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally > >> acceptable > >> >> >> solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to > >> request a > >> >> >> change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to > >> reach > >> >> a > >> >> >> compromise because this is need-to-need based. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from > >> >> >> joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf > >> Ludwig, > >> >> >> Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the > >> fact > >> >> >> remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community > >> >> and > >> >> >> the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we > >> can > >> >> >> jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding > >> >> this > >> >> >> interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make > >> contact > >> >> >> with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the > >> >> >> community. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work > >> >> together > >> >> >> to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Best > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Fouad Bajwa > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger > >> >> >> <matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org> wrote: > >> >> >>> Thank you, Hong. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not > >> currently > >> >> possible > >> >> >>> to choose the region they would like to join. According to > >> ICANN's > >> >> >>> geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full > >> >> list under: > >> >> >>> http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions- > >> topic.htm). > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive > >> >> review on the > >> >> >>> current geographic model and has recently published its Latest > >> >> Draft Interim > >> >> >>> Report (see > >> >> >>> http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- > >> >> en.htm#foot3) > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along > >> with > >> >> Carlton > >> >> >>> Samuels. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Best Regards, > >> >> >>> -- > >> >> >>> Matthias Langenegger > >> >> >>> Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs > >> >> >>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org > >> >> >>> Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 > >> >> >>> Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 > >> >> >>> Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>>> Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a > >> >> >>>> question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems > >> that > >> >> the > >> >> >>>> applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. > >> Did > >> >> I > >> >> >>>> overlook anything? > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Hong > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff > >> >> >>>> <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> wrote: > >> >> >>>>> Dear all, > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from > >> >> the > >> >> >>>>> Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, > >> >> Azerbaijan and > >> >> >>>>> would be a member of APRALO if accepted. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for > >> this > >> >> >>>>> application will be provided to you in due course. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> -- > >> >> >>>>> Regards, > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella > >> Gruber- > >> >> White, > >> >> >>>>> Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordstr?m > >> >> >>>>> ICANN At-Large Staff > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org > >> >> >>>>> website: www.atlarge.icann.org > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Regards. > >> >> -------------------------- > >> >> Fouad Bajwa > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > APAC-Discuss mailing list > >> > APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss_atlarge- > >> lists.icann.org > >> > > >> > Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > APAC-Discuss mailing list > APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > End of APAC-Discuss Digest, Vol 44, Issue 16 > ******************************************** >

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] Your message to APAC-Discuss awaits moderator approval
by Fouad Bajwa July 30, 2010

July 30, 2010

Hi Matthias, Kindly allow my email address to share my message and this thread with multiple recipients as urgently as possible. On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 3:30 PM, <apac-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: > Your mail to 'APAC-Discuss' with the subject > > Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical Center > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Too many recipients to the message > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel > this posting, please visit the following URL: > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/confirm/apac-discuss_atlarge-lists.i… > > -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa

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EURALO & APRALO Cooperation on issue of Armenian ALS App
by Fouad Bajwa July 30, 2010

July 30, 2010

Dear EURALO Members, Greetings from Asia though I am travelling in Germany! We recently received an ALS joining request from an Armenian party namely Information Policy Analytical Center and I wanted to invite your RALO's comment on this interesting issue. I would like EURALO and APRALO to collectively explore this issue. IF you kindly browse through the messages below in a communication that has been taking place in APRALO, the staff pointed us to Armenia being an Asia region. Todate, my knowledge has been that Armenia is a EuroAsian region. Now the issue is that Armenia is very near to Europe and would be better off in my personal opinion to be coordinated under EURALO or may be we can strike a possible consensus to propose Armenian application requests to be treated as EuroAsia and our RALO's can mutually explore agreement to directing such an application to EURALO. Logically this region would possibly have issues closer to issues faced by other EURALO ALSs and lesser important than Asian region issues though this may just be my personal view. Therefore dear Colleagues, I would like to request EURALO to help us to resolve this issue and where if possible, forward this issue to the At-Large leadership to further discuss with ICANN. I look forward your suggestions. Best Regards Fouad Bajwa 2010/7/30 Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa(a)gmail.com>: > Dear Matthias, > > I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since > within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are > always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on > issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On > this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO. > > When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of > Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country > that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman > Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible > to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a > EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only. > > The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles > that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to > but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs > where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable > solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a > change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a > compromise because this is need-to-need based. > > Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from > joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, > Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact > remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and > the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can > jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus. > > I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this > interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact > with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the > community. > > In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together > to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities. > > Best > > Fouad Bajwa > > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger > <matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org> wrote: >> Thank you, Hong. >> >> We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible >> to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's >> geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: >> http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm) >> >> ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the >> current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim >> Report (see >> http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10-en.htm#foot3) >> >> Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton >> Samuels. >> >> Best Regards, >> -- >> Matthias Langenegger >> Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) >> >> Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org >> Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 >> Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 >> Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger >> >> >> >> On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a >>> question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the >>> applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I >>> overlook anything? >>> >>> Hong >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff >>> <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the >>>> Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and >>>> would be a member of APRALO if accepted. >>>> >>>> Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this >>>> application will be provided to you in due course. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, >>>> Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström >>>> ICANN At-Large Staff >>>> >>>> email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org >>>> website: www.atlarge.icann.org >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa

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Comment period on issues
by Pavan Budhrani July 30, 2010

July 30, 2010

Hi all, Please be reminded that comments can be made on the following open items 1) Proposed Bylaws Amendment to Add Voting Director from the At-Large Community to the ICANN Board of Directors<http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/#al-director>, deadline ( 31/7/10), if nothing is received, we will endorse what the African region has stated, ( AFRALO Comment on the ICANN Bylaw amendment<https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?public_consultation_on_propos…> ) 2) ALAC Recommendations to Improve ICANN Community Travel, link: Draft Recommendtions to Improve ICANN Community Travel by Alan Greenberg<https://st.icann.org/alac-excomm/index.cgi?draft_recommendations_to_improve…>, Deadline, before the next ALAC call which is a couple of hours away Thanks all -- Pavan Budhrani Communications Manager, DotAsia Organisation

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Minutes and Action Items
by Pavan Budhrani July 29, 2010

July 29, 2010

Hi all, Action items and Minutes have been uploaded on the site. https://st.icann.org/asiapac/index.cgi?27_july_2010 -- Pavan Budhrani Communications Manager, DotAsia Organisation

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Online Survey on "Meetings for the Next Decade"
by ICANN At-Large Staff July 23, 2010

July 23, 2010

Dear All, ICANN’s meetings department launched an online survey as part of their public consultation on how to improve ICANN’s international conferences in the coming years. Members of the At-Large community members are invited to participate in this online survey under: https://www.bigpulse.com/33025/register?l=en You can find the complete information on this consultation under http://icann.org/en/meetings2010/ -- Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org

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CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: ALAC-selected ICANN Board Member
by ICANN At-Large Staff July 21, 2010

July 21, 2010

Call for Statements of Interest (SOIs) from ICANN's At-Large Community for consideration to be selected by the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) to serve as a (term-limited) member of the ICANN Board of Directors 21 July 2010 The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) is responsible for the global coordination of the Internet's system of unique identifiers – including domain names (such as .org and .museum), country codes (such as .uk and .ke) and the addresses used in a variety of Internet protocols – that help computers reach each other over the Internet. Without this coordination, we would not have one global Internet. The At-Large Community and the ICANN Board seat This Call for Statements of Interest (SOIs) is part of the new process through which the user community within ICANN will appoint one voting member of the ICANN Board. While acting in a personal capacity as a member of the ICANN Board, this member must be able to reflect the users' point of view and interests in the debate and decision making undertaken within the ICANN framework. In seeking candidates for this post, ICANN's At-Large Community is looking for an individual with a broad international perspective and a background in Internet users' interests, consumer policy and/or civil society worldwide. "At-Large" is the name of the community of individual Internet users involved in ICANN's policy development process. It currently consists of over 120 active At-Large organisations (called "At-Large structures" or "ALSes"), representing the opinions of the global community of Internet users. At-Large provides a means through which individual end users of the Internet worldwide can participate in the matters on which ICANN works, such as: • Guidance on how to run Internationalized Domain Names (IDN); • How to introduce new gTLDs (such as .info, .name and .museum); and • How to implement a stable and fair transition from IPv4 to the next Internet addresses generation, IPv6. To learn more about the At-Large Community and its activities, please see the main ICANN At-Large Web page (http://www.atlarge.icann.org ) or contact any of the ALSes in your country of residence. All ALSes are listed on the At-Large Structure Applications and Certification Process Web page (http://www.atlarge.icann.org/applications ). What does an ICANN Board Director do? ICANN's Directors: · As a group, are responsible for exercising the powers of ICANN, controlling its property and conducting or directing its business and affairs, except as otherwise provided in ICANN's Articles of Incorporation or Bylaws (http://www.icann.org/en/general/bylaws.htm#VI ); • Serve as individuals who have the duty to act in what they reasonably believe are the best interests of ICANN and not as representatives of the entity that selected them, their employers or any other organizations or constituencies; and • Are expected to support the ICANN mission and the implementation of ICANN's Core Values (as described in ICANN's Invitation for Statements of Interest and Suggestions for Candidates at http://nomcom.icann.org/invitation-2010.htm#roles ). For more information regarding ICANN's Directors, please refer to both ICANN's Structure chart (http://www.icann.org/en/structure ) and its Board of Directors list (http://www.icann.org/en/general/board.html ). Desirable characteristics The At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC), on behalf of the At-Large Community, has prepared a list of the desirable characteristics and details of commitments for the At-Large-selected Board member. These appear on the Director's Criteria Web page (https://st.icann.org/absdt/index.cgi?director_s_criteria ). Call for Statements of Interest The At-Large Board Candidate Evaluation Committee (BCEC) now calls for Statements of Interest (SOIs). For more information regarding the BCEC, including member details, please see the At-Large Board Candidate Evaluation Committee Web page (https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?at_large_board_candidate_evaluation_com… ). How to apply for consideration To apply, please complete and submit the Statement of Interest (SOI) available at https://www.bigpulse.com/m9918/intro . The form can be submitted online or printed and either: · Posted to At-Large Director Applications, ICANN, c/o Heidi Ullrich, 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 320, Marina del Rey, California 90292, USA; or · Faxed to +1 310 823 8649. To be considered, all SOIs must be: Completed and submitted in English; and Received by August 21, 2010, at 23:59 UTC. Please feel free to e-mail the BCEC with any questions regarding SOIs or the application process at BCEC-Request(a)icann.org. The BCEC will respond to all inquiries. For more information The following Web pages are available for further information: · At-Large Web page, regarding At-Large and ICANN (http://www.atlarge.icann.org ); • At-Large Advisory Committee's Workspace, containing links to Wiki pages and information sources (https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?at_large_advisory_committee ); • At-Large Director Selection Workspace (https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?at_large_director_appointment… ); • Public Comment (a community consultation, including public comment period, was held on a White Paper outlining the proposed At-Large Director selection process) (http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-05feb10-en.htm ); and • ICANN/About (http://www.icann.org/en/about/ ). Background of the At-Large-selected Board seat The matter of the At-Large-selected Board seat(s) came from recommendations made by the ALAC Review Working Group in its report of 9 June 2009 (www.icann.org/en/reviews/alac/final-report-alac-review-09jun09-en.pdf ). The ICANN Board, in its August 2009 meeting, approved in principle the replacement of the ALAC Liaison to the Board by one Director, with full Board-member privileges, to be appointed from the At-Large Community. The Board requested that the ALAC submit to the Board Structural Improvements Committee (SIC) a plan outlining how this Board member would be selected, with the intent of having the new member seated no later than ICANN's Annual Meeting in December 2010. -- Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org

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