November 2007 - At-Large - lists.icann.org

Re: [At-Large] [ALAC-Internal] Current Nominees / Volunteers List
by Evan Leibovitch Nov. 26, 2007

Nov. 26, 2007

Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > Civil Society, I think, cannot fairly be described as a "Euro/academic > construct". It has played a major role throughout the WSIS process and > is now an emportant element in the Internet Governance Forum or the > preparation of the OECD Ministerial on the Future of the Internet. I led a 22-person accredited delegation that attended WSIS in Geneva's dreary Palexpo. I can attest that any activity by civil society there that genuinely represented the needs and interests of the At-Large public (to use the ICANN context) was purely accidental. At least that's how it was from our point of view(1). (We ultimately chose not to attend phase 2 in Tunis -- we determined the process to be pointless and irrelevant. The civil society presence that we encountered did not strike me as serving the interests of any public interest that mattered to us at the time.) Civil society plays an important role in ICT policymaking -- however, it just isn't at all the same as OUR role as At-Large. In At-Large, ICANN has taken the bold step of soliciting a point of view that has been traditionally (and in my opinion deliberately) ignored by governments, business and indeed civil society too. It's up to us to live up to that vision. - Evan (1) -- see http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/wsis/Leibovitch.html

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Summit Planning
by Danny Younger Nov. 26, 2007

Nov. 26, 2007

Wendy, If the ALAC moves forward with the notion of a Summit, I would like to see the following topic on the agenda: ALAC efforts to achieve Board-Level Representation for the At-Large Community regards, Danny ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ

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Re: [At-Large] [Gnso-liaison] Summary for New gTLDs Workshop at ICANN LA Meeting
by Cheryl Langdon-Orr Nov. 26, 2007

Nov. 26, 2007

Jeff I would suggest that we are ALL biased in some way or other on most subjects, this topic included... the aim is therefore (for any meaningful and successful public input into a policy development process) is to ensure, to the best of one's ability, that there is a balance and wide spread choice of opinion which then becomes an aggregation of our biased contribution(s) into an agreeable outcome (of course we can always agree to disagree:-) CLO -----Original Message----- From: jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, 26 November 2007 5:25 PM To: cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au; 'Danny Younger'; 'Roberto Gaetano'; 'At-Large Worldwide' Cc: gnso-liaison(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; 'alac-internal' Subject: Re: [Gnso-liaison] [At-Large] Summary for New gTLDs Workshop at ICANN LA Meeting Cheryl and all, With the exception of Danny and myself of you list, none of others you listed below would be sufficiently non-bias enough to be appropriate candadates. Regards, Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Phone: 214-244-4827 -----Original Message----- >From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au> >Sent: Nov 23, 2007 9:59 PM >To: 'Danny Younger' <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com>, 'Roberto Gaetano' <roberto(a)icann.org>, 'At-Large Worldwide' <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Cc: gnso-liaison(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, 'alac-internal' <alac-internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [Gnso-liaison] [At-Large] Summary for New gTLDs Workshop at ICANN LA Meeting > >No problem Danny, I fully understand, and we again need to take the time on >this specific New gTLD's topic, to thank you for the excellent foundation >work you did on this in such short order before LA... > >So the floor is open for someone to offer themselves of to take on the role >as Task Leader and my preference is that this person be an active and >knowledgeable member of At-Large with the list I circulated yesterday we >should be spoilt for choice, but we all only volunteer as much of our time >as we can, so please step forward ASAP >Erik? >Sebastien?? >Vittorio??? >Gurumurthy?? >Anyone??? > >CLO > >-----Original Message----- >From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] >Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2007 2:33 PM >To: cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au; 'Roberto Gaetano'; 'At-Large Worldwide' >Cc: 'alac-internal'; gnso-liaison(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: RE: [At-Large] Summary for New gTLDs Workshop at ICANN LA Meeting > >Hello Cheryl, > >While I appreciate the recommendation to serve as Task >Leader on the new gTLDs WG, I must pass on this >opportunity. > >My decision is motivated by (1) the current need to >deal with ongoing revisions to the RAA to better >protect the registrant community and (2) the ongoing >need to establish a GNSO Constituency for Registrants. > >As both of these above endeavors will occupy my full >attention in the coming months, it would be best if >you could delegate the Task Leader opportunity to >another. > >best wishes, >Danny > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >________ >Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > >_______________________________________________ >Gnso-liaison mailing list >Gnso-liaison(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-liaison_atlarge-lists.…

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Serious problems with the ALAC
by Bret Fausett Nov. 25, 2007

Nov. 25, 2007

I have to admit to being awfully frustrated with the ALAC as an organization. In mid-October, ICANN asked for public comment on its proposed transparency and accountability framework. About the same time, I volunteered to coordinate comments on this. I started an ALAC wiki page on the subject. I notified the ALAC of my interest and posted the URL of the wiki page. I wrote the wiki page. I sent the URL of the wiki page to the ALAC. *Three times.* I raised the issue when we were in Los Angeles together. Two times during the LA public forums, Vint Cerf asked for public comments on transparency and accountability. He said it was important because such comments would become part of the JPA discussions with the USDOC in 2008. On November 8th, four days before the deadline, I *again* reminded the ALAC that the comment period was closing and pointed to the wiki page. The wiki page started on October 18th and the comment deadline closed on November 12th. In the month before the closing date, most of the work to prepare an ALAC comment was done. The ALAC had to do nothing more than review the document, approve or revise it, and post it. Since the time I volunteered and drafted the wiki page, the ALAC has held two conference calls and met in person for a week. Yet, the ALAC did nothing at all. You didn't even say, "no, we don't agree with that, we'll draft something else." This is deeply disappointing and points to serious problems with the ALAC as an organization. You need to find ways of working against deadlines, using the energy of people willing to contribute, and paying attention to the evolution of ICANN's ongoing work. Consider this a vote of no confidence in the current ALAC. Bret https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi? alac_comments_on_accountability_and_transparency_frameworks_and_principl es_for_consultation -- Bret Fausett (skype me at "lextext") smime.p7s is a digital signature http://www.imc.org/smime-pgpmime.html -------------------------------------

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Re: [At-Large] Summary for New gTLDs Workshop at ICANN LA Meeting
by Danny Younger Nov. 24, 2007

Nov. 24, 2007

Denise, Sorry, but I don't understand why we are expected to make further comments at this point before the next iteration of the BGC WG report comes out... As per the transcript of the GNSO Improvements session: "And we are going to produce another draft roughly by the end of November. We're planning to present a new draft for the attention of the Board Governance Committee, who will then transmit it hopefully for the consideration of the board in the December meeting. At the latest, in January." So what's the point of a nine day comment period extension when no new documents are available to consider? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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FW: Summary for New gTLDs Workshop at ICANN LA Meeting
by Cheryl Langdon-Orr Nov. 24, 2007

Nov. 24, 2007

Forwarded to these lists on behalf of Sebastian Ricciardi... CLO -----Original Message----- From: Sebastian Ricciardi [mailto:sricciardi@fibertel.com.ar] Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2007 4:16 PM To: cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au; 'Danny Younger'; 'Roberto Gaetano'; 'At-Large Worldwide' Cc: gnso-liaison(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; 'alac-internal' Subject: Re: [At-Large] Summary for New gTLDs Workshop at ICANN LA Meeting I would be happy to take that role. Best regards, Sebastian Enviado desde mi BlackBerry. -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:59:26 To:'Danny Younger' <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com>,'Roberto Gaetano' <roberto(a)icann.org>,'At-Large Worldwide' <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc:gnso-liaison@atlarge-lists.icann.org,'alac-internal' <alac-internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Summary for New gTLDs Workshop at ICANN LA Meeting No problem Danny, I fully understand, and we again need to take the time on this specific New gTLD's topic, to thank you for the excellent foundation work you did on this in such short order before LA... So the floor is open for someone to offer themselves of to take on the role as Task Leader and my preference is that this person be an active and knowledgeable member of At-Large with the list I circulated yesterday we should be spoilt for choice, but we all only volunteer as much of our time as we can, so please step forward ASAP Erik? Sebastien?? Vittorio??? Gurumurthy?? Anyone??? CLO -----Original Message----- From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2007 2:33 PM To: cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au; 'Roberto Gaetano'; 'At-Large Worldwide' Cc: 'alac-internal'; gnso-liaison(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: RE: [At-Large] Summary for New gTLDs Workshop at ICANN LA Meeting Hello Cheryl, While I appreciate the recommendation to serve as Task Leader on the new gTLDs WG, I must pass on this opportunity. My decision is motivated by (1) the current need to deal with ongoing revisions to the RAA to better protect the registrant community and (2) the ongoing need to establish a GNSO Constituency for Registrants. As both of these above endeavors will occupy my full attention in the coming months, it would be best if you could delegate the Task Leader opportunity to another. best wishes, Danny ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org

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Summit Planning
by Wendy Seltzer Nov. 22, 2007

Nov. 22, 2007

Here's my sense of where things stand. Many on ALAC and in the At-Large Community are interested in bringing ALS representatives to an ICANN meeting for an At-Large Summit. We've heard the staff want to see several things: a draft budget, proposed outcomes, and a measure of community support, and I imagine the Board would want to see a similar assessment. Many of these have already been discussed or are listed on the wiki <https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?motion_on_the_summit_proposal> Budget: I'd recommend using the draft budget that Sebastien and Nick have circulated as a starting point. I hear the community has been discussing many ways to minimize the expenses ICANN is asked to bear, so how would those change the draft? Outcomes: Along with the increased community productiveness and ability to work together that can come from face-to-face meeting, are there specific goals, either in education or policy development? Support: When is the appropriate time for the ALSs, RALOs, ALAC, and other members of the community to indicate their support for the summit proposal? Keep in mind that if we want this to happen at the Paris meeting, where transportation costs might be lowest overall, we should expedite it. --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org Visiting Professor, Northeastern University School of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/

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Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] ICANN application form
by Danny Younger Nov. 22, 2007

Nov. 22, 2007

Dear Lesmes López, I have forwarded your inquiry to Tim Cole of ICANN Staff; I am sure that he will be able to answer your questions. Best wishes, Danny Younger --- Lesmes López <lesmes(a)cdmon.com> wrote: > Hi! > > Maybe that list is not the right way for ask. But we > have sent two > mails to accredit(at)icann.org without response > (maybe the spam filter > deleted our emails). > > We have filled out the application form and we think > that the next > step is to send it at the following address: > > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and > Numbers > Registrar Accreditation > 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 > Marina Del Rey, CA 90292 USA > Phone: (310) 823-9358 > > But, do we have to pay the US $2,500 application fee > now? Before we > send the application form? > > We appreciate any help. > > Have a nice day, thank you! > > Lesmes López Peña > Commercial Dept. CDMON.COM > > -- > http://www.cdmon.com > info(a)cdmon.com > ___________________________ > En cumplimiento de la Ley Orgánica de Protección de > Datos 15/1999, le > informamos que sus datos personales están > incorporados en un fichero > comercial cuyo responsable es 10dendehispahard S.L., > y con la finalidad de > enviarles las comunicaciones comerciales. Si lo > desea puede ejercer los > derechos de acceso, rectificación, cancelación u > oposición de sus datos > personales en el correo electrónico info(a)cdmon.com o > por escrito a la > calle Camadasa, 19, 17300 - Blanes (Girona). > > Este mensaje y cualquier documento que lleve > adjunto, es confidencial y > destinado únicamente a la persona o entidad a quien > ha sido enviado. Si > Usted ha recibido este mensaje por error, le > informamos que el contenido > en el mismo es reservado y el uso no autorizado está > prohibido legalmente, > por ello, por favor, le rogamos que nos lo notifique > al e-mail > info(a)cdmon.com > > > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > Visit the NA-RALO Wiki at > https://st.icann.org/naralo/ > ------ > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [At-Large] New gTLDs Working Group
by Danny Younger Nov. 22, 2007

Nov. 22, 2007

I am not finding the information I need on the new gTLDs Working Group. (1) Who is the ALAC "Issue Coordinator" for this topic? (2) Is there a "task leader"? (3) Does the Working Group have a Chair? (4) What are the WG Terms of Reference? (5) What is the Working Group's project timeline? (6) Who are the Working Group members? (7) Have all the RALOs notified their members about this WG? (8) Has the WG Chair reached out to all 93 accredited ALSs asking for participation and input? (9) Where is the collection of background documents to review? (10) Where do we find relevant ALAC commentary on the topic? Is there an ALAC-generated Issues Report for public consumption? (11) What implementation issues are anticipated? (12) As the Staff implementation issues report is not due until January 2008, what will the WG do in the meantime? (13) Noting that Erick and Guru have volunteered to participate and that Hue has received several endorsements to presumably serve as "coordinator", at what point are we expecting coordination to actually start happening? Finally, you can probably apply all these questions (and more) to every WG that the ALAC has set up. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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What is typo squatting?
by Bill Silverstein Nov. 22, 2007

Nov. 22, 2007

This may seem like a simple question, but it is not. Evan Younger said: "- Is the problem in the misspelling itself, or in the purpose of the misspelled site? If a "misspelled" domain is a parody or criticism site, should trademark holders have absolute right to curtail such activity? How does it serve the public good to fast-track such harm to freedom of speech?" To answer this question, you have to determine what is appropriate criticism or parody. And that question now may be subject to the issue of local law or custom. On some words, there are an infinite number of ways it can be mispelled (according to a third grade treacher). And this issue now runs into the issue of multiple language, ie. sex.com and sexo.com. Would one consider these the same? -- Bill

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