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Re: [At-Large] [NA-ALS] [ALAC] multiple copies of messages and other issues...
by RJGlass Feb. 8, 2007

Feb. 8, 2007

I agree on your first. I had no idea there was a RALO formation document. Randy Glass A@L ----- Original Message ---- From: "lists(a)privaterra.info" <lists(a)privaterra.info> To: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 2:39:02 PM Subject: [NA-ALS] [ALAC] multiple copies of messages and other issues... two quick comments: First, I'm getting various multiple copies of the messages posted to the list. 2-4 copies at times. it is a bit much, and would appreciate any effort that helps fix the problem. Second, I'd like for the discussion to move from general comments and process related items to focused contributions on key policy issues open for comment. ALAC Review (starting this month), ALAC 07 budget, WHOIS, Domain name tasting come immediately to mind. As well, would be great to get comments from the intl. ALS community on the RALO formation document being drafted by those in north America. NA Ralo documents: MOU - http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Operating Principles - http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP regards Robert _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org _______________________________________________ NA-ALS mailing list NA-ALS(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-als_atlarge-lists.icann.…

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recent posts
by RJGlass Feb. 8, 2007

Feb. 8, 2007

Oh, is there finally a discussion on something? My email box has just been inundated by posts. After years of waiting to see if anyone was interested, now there's discussion. The only problem is, now it's unintelligible. Please tell me that this isn't a better way to approach this. I'll go back and try to piece together what is the question. But here is my answer: The ALAC community, et al. is not just going to majically solve all problems just by creating another newsgroup discussion. Every time there is a new discussion in dealing with ICANN, it seems the anwer is to 'create a new thread'. This is just silly. Try to get it together first! The structure exists, however everyone is sitting on their hands. It is illogical to think that solving a problem by creating a new problem will work. Randy Glass A@L

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Disconnecting the ALAC list from the regional lists
by Nick Ashton-Hart Feb. 8, 2007

Feb. 8, 2007

Dear All: Since I've been receiving some complaints about overload of emails - and duplicates have been coming through - I've taken the liberty of disconnecting the autoforward from the ALAC list to the regional ALS lists. I hope that you understand this is in no way to stifle discussion. Please - feel free to subscribe to the ALAC list at http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org . I have changed the list prefix to [At-Large] to identify that it is the community and not just the ALAC Committee list, and changed the narrative description as well. QUESTION: Should I join up everyone who is part of an ALS or candidate ALS to this list? -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [At-Large] [LAC-ALS] [APAC-ALS] Disconnecting the ALAC list from theregional lists
by José Ovidio Salgueiro A. Feb. 8, 2007

Feb. 8, 2007

I agree. I got 68 mails just today and its only 16:30 José Ovidio Salgueiro A. jsalgueiro(a)cantv.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Kuo-Wei Wu To: nashton(a)spamcop.net ; alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ; apac-als(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ; 'All Accredited At Large Structures (ALS) in Africa' ; euro-als(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ; na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ; lac-als(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [LAC-ALS] [APAC-ALS] Disconnecting the ALAC list from theregional lists If possible, please do something. For each email, I received more than 5~8 copies. It looks like "spam" mail. Kuo Wu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: apac-als-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:apac-als-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Nick Ashton-Hart Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:42 PM To: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; apac-als(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; All Accredited At Large Structures (ALS) in Africa; euro-als(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; lac-als(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [APAC-ALS] Disconnecting the ALAC list from the regional lists Dear All: Since I've been receiving some complaints about overload of emails - and duplicates have been coming through - I've taken the liberty of disconnecting the autoforward from the ALAC list to the regional ALS lists. I hope that you understand this is in no way to stifle discussion. Please - feel free to subscribe to the ALAC list at http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org . I have changed the list prefix to [At-Large] to identify that it is the community and not just the ALAC Committee list, and changed the narrative description as well. QUESTION: Should I join up everyone who is part of an ALS or candidate ALS to this list? -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ LAC-ALS mailing list LAC-ALS(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-als_atlarge-lists.icann…

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[ALAC] Major Milestone Coming Up
by Nick Ashton-Hart Feb. 8, 2007

Feb. 8, 2007

Dear All: We have today reached our 94th ALS application, receiving five applications in the last five days; we can expect to receive our 100th ALS application very soon. Quite a milestone. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see us hit 250 organisations this year. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [At-Large] [NA-ALS] [ALAC] Major Milestone Coming Up
by Thompson, Darlene Feb. 8, 2007

Feb. 8, 2007

AMEN JACQUELINE!!! I am in FULL support of Jacqueline's ideas of having a post that explains the issue and then requests input. That would be extremely useful for us "newbies". Also, as I saw in Jacqueline's post and in another is the thought about "tone". Frankly, the tone in several of the postings I am going through today is enough to put many people off. I realize that the past must colour the future but maybe we can try to be a bit more of a positive light on what CAN be done and maybe a little less aggressively rude to those we don't agree with. This is supposed to be a forum to encourage discussion. I think if we all respect each other and treat each other as if we do, we can accomplish what we are setting out to. Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP P.O. Box 429 Pond Inlet, NU X0A 0S0 Phone: (867) 899-7363 Fax: (867) 899-7334 dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca ________________________________ From: na-als-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-als-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:59 AM To: Alan Levin Cc: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-ALS] [ALAC] Major Milestone Coming Up Hi Not being aan ICANN historian, I can't say what happened in 2000, 2001, 2002 or 2003. What I can say is that in my part of the world (the Caribbean) - the Internet is a recent phenomenon. We're still working on access and education. We finally have a small core of people interested and willing to participate. A lot of the new ALSes are groups of individuals who are now getting into this previously "closed" club. It's unfair to blame them for years of non-comments when many of them have been ALSes for only 2 or 3 months. They also cannot be expected to comment on policies that we haven't educated them about. What IMO would be more useful from the "old-timers" is posts to the list that explain the policy issues that need input from the groups that are now getting involved. For example, a post that explains the issues surrounding whois and that starts a discussion about how they might affect individual users will certainly get responses. There should be posts that start discussion around the issues and then out of those discussions, positions and comments will arise. And I agree with Alan here - this is the model that ICANN is putting resources towards. If we work to get people involved and show that the RALOs are interested and able, we show that individual users are valuable. And then the at large can push for greater power within ICANN. I think that demanding Board seats without having done anything to "earn" them in many years is putting the cart before the horse. I disagree to some extent with Jeanette - I think it's more bottom-up to start from regional activity and move to global activity. (Not to mention much easier to do outreach and education) So the challenge is - how to educate those who are interested but may not know about the policy processes and how do we get comments out of the regions and up to ICANN. After that - it's up to us again to make sure that ICANN takes the comments and inputs into consideration. I'd love the conversation to stop looking backwards with anger and regret and look to the future that seems brighter (at least judging by the number of applications that have been coming in in the last year). Please start being productive and helping the individual users get involved in the process that exists and that is being funded, instead of trying to change the entire process that a few dislike. According to the number of groups joining - not everyone hates it. My 2 cents. Jacqueline Quoting Alan Levin <alan(a)futureperfect.co.za>: > Hi, > > On 07 Feb 2007, at 11:05 PM, Patrick Vande Walle wrote: >> Danny Younger said the following on 07/02/07 21:23: >>> We have been pursuing this experiment for four long years during >>> which time the DNS policy-related contributions offered by the ALS >>> organizations has been almost nil. > >> There seems to be a willingess from ICANN to go forward with the >> ALAC and RALOs. ICANN has assigned a budget for this. There are new >> mailing lists, wikis and most importantly staff dedicated to bring >> this all together. I still believe something useful can come of out >> this. > > I'm very encouraged by all the new efforts of ICANN. There is no > doubt that by having more ALS's we have a greater potential. Whilst > we have yet to see the outcomes - and we know that some ALS's will be > more active than others - the momentum has picked up. We have lists > (and many websites), we have a RALO and others close to > establishment. I am the first to admit that I was not in favor of > this model, but it is OUR opportunity to show that AL is a force. And > we now need to work with what we have, if ICANN is pumping resources > into this, we need to show them results. It's up to us to make sure > that there are comments and inputs into the policy discussions. Not > an easy job (I mean it's easy for us to comment, it's not so easy for > us to ensure the ALS constituencies do). > > May the force be with you! > > Warm regards, > > Alan > > > > --------------------------------------------- > Alan Levin > Tel: +27 21 409-7997 > > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann .org > > _______________________________________________ > LAC-ALS mailing list > LAC-ALS(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-als_atlarge-lists.ic ann.org > -- Jacqueline A. Morris www.jacquelinemorris.com

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[ALAC] Fwd: Application for Funding - Memberclicks - from the LAC Region
by Nick Ashton-Hart Feb. 8, 2007

Feb. 8, 2007

Dear Committee: I provide below the request for funding for the MemberClicks service by the LAC Secretariat. The process requires my acknowledgment of the receipt of the request, which has been sent; since the regional secretariat has made the request, the request would now go to a funding decision from ICANN. It would seem to me that the need for a database for members is something the entire community needs. This tool is English-only, which is a drawback, but after looking I have found that all the MMSes (Membership Management Systems) which are to be easily found are also English only. I have made the point to the staff that what ICANN needs in the fullness of time is a database which would hold records of all constituencies, not just one, and that we should look at a procurement process that identifies a good solution, and part of what should be considered is a multi-lingual solution. However, that would take some time and with memberclicks, we would have something much better than we have now, which is a static web page with out-of-date information and a bunch of Excel spreadsheets which get mailed around periodically. The cost of the system is also very reasonable (about US$100 per month), and extracting the data and migrating it at some later point to another system would be a simple process. ACTION POINT: Does anyone on the committee OBJECT to our using MemberClicks as the membership database at least for the medium term for the community as a whole? And, if there is an objection, could you please tell us all what the nature of the objection is? If no objections are received in, say, the next week, I will assume we're to go ahead. If there are comments or questions from other regions, by all means register them. For those wishing to look further, please see www.memberclicks.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Carlton A Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm> Date: 07-Feb-2007 23:37 Subject: Application for Funding - Membersclick To: nashton(a)spamcop.net Nick: I have attached the paperwork for the funding request for Membersclick. Your usual advice and consent requested. Cheers. Carlton Carlton A. Samuels CIO & University Director of IT c/o MITS, The UWI at Mona 5 Gibraltar Camp Way, Kgn 7 Mobile: (876) 818-1799 Work: (876) 927-2148 -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [ALAC] [APAC-ALS] [EURO-ALS] ACTION ITEM: Consultation on makeup of ICANNRegions underway
by Nick Ashton-Hart Feb. 8, 2007

Feb. 8, 2007

I'm wondering if the comments Carlton Samuels made recently are relevant here with respect to all Small Island States. Would there be value in discussing whether or not all small island states might be either: 1) Their own region - irrespective of their physical location; 2) In a region of their own, but also associated with the region they are geographically in. On 08/02/07, Franck Martin <franck.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > The problem with the Asia/Pacific grouping is that the Pacific Islands > receive so little funds that most of the things that can be done is an > assessment study, and no more funds for implementation... > > Also the issues are quite different from the Asia and Pacific Islands. > > Finally, NC and PF fell more linked to FR than to the other Pacific > Islands. This is also true for PW, GM, AS which are more linked to US. > > Complex scenario.... > > On 2/8/07, Roberto Gaetano <roberto(a)icann.org> wrote: > > > I think that also Frank, from the Pacific Islands, might have something > > to > > add to this (re: the fact that some islands are AP, some EU). > > > > RG > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: euro-als-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > [mailto:euro-als-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf > > > Of Wendy Seltzer > > > Sent: 07 February 2007 14:57 > > > To: nashton(a)spamcop.net; alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > Subject: Re: [EURO-ALS] [ALAC] ACTION ITEM: Consultation on > > > makeup of ICANNRegions underway > > > > > > Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: > > > > Just a reminder, there is an open consultation on the Geographic > > > > Regions of ICANN, and whether the regions should be changed. > > > > > > > > The At-Large community's views would be welcomed - this point was > > > > actually reinforced to me today by Paul Twomey amongst others. > > > > > > > > Might I suggest at least two points which could be > > > communicated, these > > > > two points being ones I have heard mentioned by others, and > > > not being > > > > personal observations? > > > > > > > > 1) Some member-states of the European Union are located in regions > > > > outside of Europe, which ought to be changed. In fact, candidate > > > > states of the EU might also be better situated within the European > > > > region than in others (Turkey comes to mind as an obvious > > > example of > > > > this); > > > > 2) The Asia-Pacific region is currently enormous. I have > > > heard it said > > > > in particular that some representatives of Middle-Eastern groups > > > > believe it ought to be a region of it's own, not in the APAC region. > > > > > > > > I encouraged our Puerto Rican ALS applicants to comment > > > directly, but we should further recall that at least some of > > > them feel they'd be better served by participating in the LAC region. > > > > > > --Wendy > > > bracing for the set of bounces from regional lists... > > > > > > > > For the full text of the consultation announcement, please visit > > > > http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-rev-28nov06.htm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > ALAC mailing list > > > > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.ica > > > > nn.org > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org > > > phone: 718.780.7961 // fax: 718.780.0394 // cell: > > > 914.374.0613 Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn > > > Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society > > > http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html > > > http://www.chillingeffects.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ALAC mailing list > > > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-l > > > ists.icann.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > EURO-ALS mailing list > > > EURO-ALS(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-als_atlar > > > ge-lists.icann.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ALAC mailing list > > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > APAC-ALS mailing list > > APAC-ALS(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-als_atlarge-lists.ican… > > > > > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Franck Martin > franck.martin(a)gmail.com > "Toute connaissance est une réponse à une question" > G. Bachelard -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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[ALAC] Policy Areas Under Review - Presentation of Information
by Nick Ashton-Hart Feb. 8, 2007

Feb. 8, 2007

Dear Community: FYI, let there be no doubt that we are aware that the current way that information on policy reviews and processes is presented is very difficult to navigate. In particular, I have told the other staff that the point we need to get to with the presentation of this information is that the Individual Internet User community should be able to find, in 15 minutes, online: 1) What policies are being reviewed; 2) How the policy development processes work; 3) What the issues are (not requiring the reading, in the first instance, of large documents) 4) How to participate We are all aware that we are not at this point, and I am sure that new and candidate ALSes must find it difficult to get to the bottom of what is happening. At the same time, I know that there are many in the community who are particularly knowledgeable about where given areas of policy development are currently at. Would it be possible to ask the older hands to provide a short intro to where things are, with (if possible) a few links for those interested to get further information? -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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[ALAC] multiple copies of messages and other issues...
by lists＠privaterra.info Feb. 7, 2007

Feb. 7, 2007

two quick comments: First, I'm getting various multiple copies of the messages posted to the list. 2-4 copies at times. it is a bit much, and would appreciate any effort that helps fix the problem. Second, I'd like for the discussion to move from general comments and process related items to focused contributions on key policy issues open for comment. ALAC Review (starting this month), ALAC 07 budget, WHOIS, Domain name tasting come immediately to mind. As well, would be great to get comments from the intl. ALS community on the RALO formation document being drafted by those in north America. NA Ralo documents: MOU - http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Operating Principles - http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP regards Robert

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