February 2007 - At-Large - lists.icann.org

[ALAC] Please join the ALAC list
by Wendy Seltzer Feb. 7, 2007

Feb. 7, 2007

If you're getting this via a reflector, please join the main At-Large Advisory Committee list: <http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org> Please help ALAC and ICANN to discuss WHOIS and privacy new gTLDs, including .xxx domain tasting internationalized domain names ICANN's regions ALAC review implementation of the GNSO Review recommendations ... --Wendy -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [ALAC] [EURO-ALS] [LAC-ALS] [NA-ALS] Major Milestone Coming Up Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:21:00 +0000 From: Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton(a)spamcop.net> Reply-To: nashton(a)spamcop.net To: Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton(a)spamcop.net>, patrick(a)isoc.lu, alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org References: <20070207202303.51312.qmail(a)web52204.mail.yahoo.com> <45CA3F0A.5050008(a)isoc.lu> <240ba2f70702071410h255d8ec1v4ac3afef8588fe77(a)mail.gmail.com> <20070207222128.GS748(a)raktajino.does-not-exist.org> If so my apologies and I'm glad I did just now :) On 07/02/07, Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> wrote: > > On 2007-02-07 22:10:37 +0000, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: > > > Just to clarify one point: There is no barrier to ALSes (or > > actually anyone else) joining the main ALAC list > > I don't think that had actually been communicated so far. > > *subscribes* > > -- > Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org phone: 718.780.7961 // fax: 718.780.0394 // cell: 914.374.0613 Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/

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Re: [ALAC] List consolidation proposal
by Wendy Seltzer Feb. 7, 2007

Feb. 7, 2007

I agree with Luc that atlarge is more descriptive than alac for a list where we invite the public to discuss ICANN issues with ALAC members and carry out ALAC's business. Can I suggest that we create a new list, atlarge, open subscription and invite everyone on all the ALAC's lists to subscribe to it? When everyone from the ALAC committee is there, we can then address as a second step whether to close the ALAC-only list and keep all conversation with the atlarge. Thanks, --Wendy Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: > The way to do that is for people to join the main ALAC list. > > Posts to ALAC do go to the regional lists, but only from those who are > subscribed to it... > > On 07/02/07, Luc Faubert <LFaubert(a)conceptum.ca> wrote: >> >> Ok Nick, but let's be sure people know where to post what. >> >> Do we have a way to exchange between all the at-large communities within >> ICANN, the equivalent of the sum of all *-discuss lists? >> >> >> >> _________________________________________ >> Luc Faubert >> Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / >> IT governance and change management consulting >> GFI Solutions >> +1 514 236 5129 >> www.GFISolutions.com <http://www.gfisolutions.com/> >> >> www.LucFaubert.com <http://www.lucfaubert.com/> >> www.isoc.qc.ca >> www.ccig.ca >> www.maillons.qc.ca >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* nashtonhart(a)gmail.com [mailto:nashtonhart@gmail.com] *On >> Behalf Of >> *Nick Ashton-Hart >> *Sent:* 6 février 2007 13:48 >> *To:* Luc Faubert >> *Cc:* Wendy Seltzer; alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> *Subject:* Re: List consolidation proposal >> >> If we could avoid renaming existing lists that would be helpful. Doing so >> means literally recreating them, their configuration, and >> resubscribing all >> members. >> >> As to the -ALS lists: The main purpose of these would be to provide a >> forum where accredited ALSes could act as the General Assembly of their >> regional RALO for the purposes of voting, nomination of candidates for >> RALO >> officers (where those exist), nominations of ALAC reps for the regions >> and >> voting on the same, etc. The discuss lists were meant to be precisely >> what >> they have become - open for all to join and discuss. If a region >> wishes to >> delete the -ALS list as they wish to conduct these 'official' >> functions on >> the discuss list or via some other mechanism then let me know and we'll >> delete them. >> >> Perhaps each region can discuss this individually on their -Discuss list >> and come to a common view. >> >> On 06/02/07, Luc Faubert < LFaubert(a)conceptum.ca> wrote: >> > >> > I also agree with Wendy's proposal for list consolidation and use of >> > ICANNwiki. >> > >> > I suggest the following changes to the names of the lists however: >> > >> > alac -> atlarge >> > alac-internal -> alac >> > >> > As for North America, let's keep na-discuss and eliminate na-als, as >> > Wendy suggests, >> > >> > >> > _________________________________________ >> > Luc Faubert >> > Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / >> > IT governance and change management consulting >> > GFI Solutions >> > +1 514 236 5129 >> > www.GFISolutions.com >> > >> > www.LucFaubert.com >> > www.isoc.qc.ca >> > www.ccig.ca >> > www.maillons.qc.ca >> > >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: na-als-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > > [mailto: na-als-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of >> > > Wendy Seltzer >> > > Sent: 6 février 2007 07:35 >> > > To: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > > Subject: [NA-ALS] [ALAC] List consolidation proposal >> > > >> > > First off, thanks very much to Nick for finally helping us to >> > > get ALAC communications under our control and for tracking >> > > down ALS contacts to add to lists. Now, though, we have an >> > > embarrassment of riches -- so many lists that it's hard to >> > > know where to send and hard for the recipients to continue >> > > the discussion because they're fragmented among many one-way lists. >> > > >> > > I propose the following for the lists @ atlarge-lists.icann.org: >> > > >> > > alac -- public archive, open membership, list for general >> > > ALAC business. >> > > Open for posting to any interested party (including the >> > > memberships of *-Discuss and *-ALS). >> > > >> > > alac-internal -- ALAC members only, no public archive, >> > > LIMITED use (e.g., what time's the conference call) >> > > >> > > regional lists -- at the option of regions' ALSs and >> > > individuals, for discussion of region-specific business. >> > > Publicly archived; open or closed at regions' option. For NA, >> > > I propose consolidation down to NA-Discuss, open membership. >> > > >> > > >> > > Finally, on the wikis, I propose using ICANNwiki exclusively, >> > > rather than the closed, publicly invisible Socialtext site. >> > > >> > > As the ALAC is supposed to represent the interests of the >> > > individual Internet users, we should be holding more >> > > conversations with them! >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > --Wendy >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org >> > > Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School >> > > Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society >> > > http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html >> > > http://www.chillingeffects.org/ >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > ALAC mailing list >> > > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-l >> > ists.icann.org >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > NA-ALS mailing list >> > > NA-ALS(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-als_atlarge >> > > -lists.icann.org >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NA-Discuss mailing list >> > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > >> > >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Nick Ashton-Hart >> PO Box 32160 >> London N4 2XY >> United Kingdom >> UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 >> USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 >> Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 >> mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 >> Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: >> nashtonhart >> Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart >> >> > > -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org phone: 718.780.7961 // fax: 718.780.0394 // cell: 914.374.0613 Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/

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[ALAC] Application for At-Large Structure from ISOC-Benin
by Yaovi Atohoun Feb. 7, 2007

Feb. 7, 2007

Dear Sir/Madam, Please find attached the application for At-Large Structure from ISOC-BENIN. Regards Yaovi Atohoun Secretary General --------------------------------- Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses.

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[ALAC] List consolidation proposal
by Wendy Seltzer Feb. 6, 2007

Feb. 6, 2007

First off, thanks very much to Nick for finally helping us to get ALAC communications under our control and for tracking down ALS contacts to add to lists. Now, though, we have an embarrassment of riches -- so many lists that it's hard to know where to send and hard for the recipients to continue the discussion because they're fragmented among many one-way lists. I propose the following for the lists @atlarge-lists.icann.org: alac -- public archive, open membership, list for general ALAC business. Open for posting to any interested party (including the memberships of *-Discuss and *-ALS). alac-internal -- ALAC members only, no public archive, LIMITED use (e.g., what time's the conference call) regional lists -- at the option of regions' ALSs and individuals, for discussion of region-specific business. Publicly archived; open or closed at regions' option. For NA, I propose consolidation down to NA-Discuss, open membership. Finally, on the wikis, I propose using ICANNwiki exclusively, rather than the closed, publicly invisible Socialtext site. As the ALAC is supposed to represent the interests of the individual Internet users, we should be holding more conversations with them! Thanks, --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/

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[ALAC] Domain Monetisation Briefing
by Nick Ashton-Hart Feb. 6, 2007

Feb. 6, 2007

Dear All: A report has been requested by the ALAC of the staff in relation to Domain Monetisation and as a result I have done some digging and found the attached report on the issue. I attach it as the report may not have been widely disseminated at the time and in any case many new ALSes have become involved in At-Large since it was prepared and likely will not have seen it. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart http://www.alac.icann.org

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[ALAC] Videoconferencing Software for At-Large Community being Evaluated
by ICANN At Large Staff Feb. 5, 2007

Feb. 5, 2007

Dear Community: As some of you are aware, recently we have been making an effort to technologically 'connect' the community more effectively. The new list environment is a part of this, as well as some first-steps we took in Sao Paulo in providing simultaneous translation for At-Large meetings (and many others actually), and we also provided inbound access to ALAC meetings for two members of the committee via Skype since they were unable to attend the Sao Paulo meetings in person. Whilst this was much better than them not being able to participate at all, it was somewhat less than ideal. For the upcoming meeting of Asia-Pacific ALSes later this month, we will provide full videoconferencing access to the meetings for those ALS representatives unable to attend in person. The software we are using is a commercial product from Marratech (www.marratech.com) which was recommended to us by Rajnesh Singh of the Pacific Islands Chapter of ISOC, who are an actively participating ALS. (thanks again Raj!). The software is available for us to trial for the entire month of February. The information on how to connect up is below, and if you are interested, Marratech are offering a 10-minute introduction to the software using Marratech itself - just let us know at staff(a)alac.icann.org if you want to do this. The software is very easy to use but that doesn't make an introduction useless :) In particular we suggest that those who are planning to attend the APRALO meeting on February 28th via videoconference get a run-through of the system. You should also verify that you have the hardware needed (which is quite simple) and run one of the three operating systems supported (Mac OS X, Windows, Linux) Begin forwarded message: > From: "Jon Scanlan" <jon.scanlan(a)marratech.co.uk> > Date: 22 December 2006 11:34:50 GMT > To: "'Nick Ashton-Hart'" <nashton(a)spamcop.net> > Subject: RE: Marratech > > Nick, > > As we discussed I have created a private meeting area for you to use > with your colleagues. It would be great if early in the new year we > could meet in your room and spend 15-20 minutes covering the basic > features and functions. > > There are 2 ways to enter the meeting room. > > 1 - Java Webstart (The preferred method) > > Click the following link which will automatically install the > Marratech > client: http://uk.emeetingportal.com/launch.jsp?sid=537 > > When prompted enter the user details: > Username: spamcop > Password: spamcop > > This will take you into the virtual meting room. > > 2 - Installed client > > Download the installation file from our website: > www.marratech.com/download and install in the usual manner > > Open Marratech, select 'Marratech Meetings' / 'UK & France' > > Login on the left hand side with the above details and your room will > appear at the bottom of the list under 'Private Rooms' - click to > enter. > > If you have any questions please do let me know otherwise let's > meet up > early in the New Year. > > Regards > > Jon -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart ICANN At Large Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nashton(a)spamcop.net Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart

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[ALAC] Test, please ignore (as ICANN feels free to do with the ALAC's recommendations)
by Wendy Seltzer Feb. 5, 2007

Feb. 5, 2007

I apologize for the interruption, but I'm trying to see where messages propagate and where they're bounced. Thanks, --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/

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[ALAC] formulaire icann
by Arnold M Feb. 5, 2007

Feb. 5, 2007

Salut , Juste notre formulaire . Merçi Arnold MULENDA YAMUKANDU

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[ALAC] (no subject)
by Vittorio Bertola Feb. 3, 2007

Feb. 3, 2007

Wendy Seltzer ha scritto: > Suggested statement, the top part of which garnered approval on at > least one of our numerous lists. Ok, I thought we wanted something longer than this, but it'd be better than nothing. > ICANN should not be in the business of evaluating strings, > period. It should publish technical criteria and minimally evaluate > whether a registry fulfills those. Are we sure that the criteria should be only technical? I don't buy the argument about the healing touch of the free market. I think that there should be criteria and that they should be liberal rather than restrictive, based on "we approve it unless it does more harm than good". But I don't think that, say, if someone applies for ".sucks", you should approve it only based on technical considerations - what if it had a policy that only trademark owners could register under it, so only Microsoft could have microsoft.sucks and any variation of it? Is that what you'd want from such a TLD? I think that ICANN has to check the registration policies of new TLDs. > Since all indications are that .xxx > fulfils any technical criteria that ICANN has established, ICANN should > promptly approve that agreement. I would suggest replacing "since all indications are that" with "if", as we didn't do the evaluation and we're not entitled to do it. I would also strike "technical", as the criteria that ICANN established for this gTLD round are (AFAIK) not only technical. (I've not made my mind up on whether .xxx should be approved; until now, it seems to me that it'd do little good and some harm, so the only reason for approving it would be to prove the point that we need to be liberal on this matter, even if this means harming ourselves with our liberality. On the other hand, I'm not too comfortable in approving anything, generally speaking, as long as you can't manage to address the opposition of those who are not convinced yet, especially if this includes countries like Brazil and Sweden, and even the supposed users of this new TLD, ie adult webmasters. If the intended users don't want it, then the only possible use of the new TLD would be letting ICM to make money with defensive registrations - what for?) > Further, it should promptly open > a process for applications for new unsponsored gTLDs. Shouldn't it finally agree on a set of criteria and an ongoing process first? (BTW, it seems that ICANN is stuck waiting for the GNSO to finish its PDP on the matter, so the ball is not really in the Board's playing field at the moment.) -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------

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Re: [ALAC] .xxx (again)
by Wendy Seltzer Feb. 3, 2007

Feb. 3, 2007

Suggested statement, the top part of which garnered approval on at least one of our numerous lists. ICANN should not be in the business of evaluating strings, period. It should publish technical criteria and minimally evaluate whether a registry fulfills those. Since all indications are that .xxx fulfils any technical criteria that ICANN has established, ICANN should promptly approve that agreement. Further, it should promptly open a process for applications for new unsponsored gTLDs. --Wendy At 12:12 PM 2/3/2007, Vittorio Bertola wrote: >All, > >please pardon me for my insistence on deliverables, but I reiterate my >request: do we want to state a formal position on the new proposed .xxx >contract? The public comment period expires in two days (see > >http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-05jan07.htm > >) - of course we can be slightly late as usual, but if we want to say >anything, this is the moment. Otherwise, I will convey feelings informally >and as a range of opinions by individual ALAC members, but it's not the >same thing. > >If we want to make a statement, someone should volunteer to put together a >first draft asap, by gathering the opinions that were posted (sorry for >not doing that myself, I'm traveling and will barely make it to the conf >call). > >Regards, > >PS I've taken the liberty to add this and other issues to the conf call's >agenda on the wiki. >-- >vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- >--------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <-------- > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/

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