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Morality Police
by Danny Younger June 16, 2008

June 16, 2008

A significant discussion has emerged on the LACRALO list regarding the New gTLD Evaluation Process. LACRALO members are rightfully concerned about the GNSO recommendations that pertain to Morality and Public Order -- see the thread that begins here: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.or… For those of you with New gTLD policy and implementation concerns, please consider joining the GTLD-WG -- signup details are here: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gtld-wg_atlarge-lists.icann…

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Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Issues for Paris
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 16, 2008

June 16, 2008

John and all, I fully agree with Evan's statement that full compliance with the RAA's is necessary and that ICANN hasn't seen to that unless after the fact. Further, I as Danny, Wendy, and others as part of the RAA-WG pointed out time an time again, that several new clauses to address glaring problems/issues need to be added to amend the RAA's as well. These should be well known as to what they are by now. John, no offense personally to you but it would seem obvious that the GAC reps. also represent users/citizens in a broad and somewhat removed sense as well, although they are appointed not elected representatives. So as pleasing or displeasing as this may be, we should all bare this in mind in respect to the GAC. The GAC is also part of DOC/NTIA's oversight responsibilities as well... -----Original Message----- >From: John Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> >Sent: Jun 15, 2008 10:38 PM >To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Issues for Paris > >> I suspect -- though others here with more background can confirm or deny >> -- that proper enforcement of the existing RAA would solve many >> problems. I found Stacy's response to Danny's last emailed question ... > >Completely agree. > >> that the GAC -- although, like ALAC has no direct Board seat, wields >> enormous power within ICANN. I would appreciate if some people here with >> some background could confirms or deny, and offer opinions on the >> organizational differences between the two advisory groups. > >They represent organizations with the ability to deliver thermonuclear >warheads. We don't. > >R's, >John > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [At-Large] Draft Final Report IDNC WG v1.pdf
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 15, 2008

June 15, 2008

All, Be advised isoc-au.org.au DNS is mis configured. Accepting Email from this Domain name my be fraudulent, has not Abuse email contact information, and has no postmaster Email contact address. Additionally there is no SPF record defined. All of which are violations or inconsistant with IETF standards or standards track. See: http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=isoc-au.org.au&token=… FWIW, if self regulation is ever going to work and work well, mis configured DNS for Domain Names cannot be allowed to be acceptable. -----Original Message----- >From: Siavash Shahshahani <shahshah(a)irnic.ir> >Sent: Jun 15, 2008 6:08 AM >To: cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au >Cc: 'ALAC internal list' <alac-internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, iamems(a)isoc-au.org.au, alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Draft Final Report IDNC WG v1.pdf > >Hi Cheryl, Hong, et al >Here's something in the draft I don't understand: On page 5 >(Introduction), in the paragraph beginning with "The IDNC WG >recommends...", the penultimate sentence reads: >------------------------------------------------ >It is suggested that the information will be collected on a confidential >basis by ICANN. >---------------------------------------------------- >Why the secrecy? We read everywhere else that all the stakeholders in >the territory will have to agree on both the TLD and the TLD manager. >I'm afraid the 'confidentiality' may become a cover for rejecting >proposals ICANN may be uncomfortable with for extraneous reasons. Could >somebody explain? >Siavash > > >Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: >> Please find attached the Draft FINAL Report for Fast Track ccTLD IDN's >> >> >> >> This will be discussed in Paris at the 23-26 June, ICANN Meeting and your >> comments regarding this draft are welcome, please forward this onto your >> relevant communities of interest and respond to the list you received this >> from and Hong and I will ensure your comments are entered into the >> discussions being held. >> >> >> >> Kindest regards, >> >> >> >> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Draft Final Report IDNC WG v1.pdf
by Cheryl Langdon-Orr June 15, 2008

June 15, 2008

Please find attached the Draft FINAL Report for Fast Track ccTLD IDN's This will be discussed in Paris at the 23-26 June, ICANN Meeting and your comments regarding this draft are welcome, please forward this onto your relevant communities of interest and respond to the list you received this from and Hong and I will ensure your comments are entered into the discussions being held. Kindest regards, Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO)

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[Fwd: [Fwd: [governance] the public interest in ICANN]]
by Jacqueline A. Morris June 15, 2008

June 15, 2008

Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: > Hi everyone > here's some info on remote participation for the ALAC-NCUC meeting on > 24 June in Paris. The GNSO reform will be discussed which re-aligns > the power structures in the GNSO which deals with gTLD issues in > ICANN. It's an opportunity for more CS participation in this > particular ICANN structure. > Jacqueline > Milton L Mueller wrote: >> At the Paris meeting of ICANN June 23 - 28 some reforms may be made >> which could greatly improve ICANN's representative structure. In a >> nutshell, representation of noncommercial users (public interest groups, >> NGOs, and individuals of a public interest bent) will be increased from >> its current 14%, possibly to 25% or one-third. This will also involve a >> change in the nature of noncommercial interest representation in ICANN. >> We'd like to invite all civil society organizations with an interest in >> the Internet and its global governance to be aware of this and take >> advantage of it. So we are using online collaboration tools to extend >> the meeting between the ICANN Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC) >> and the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) globally. You do not have to >> go to Paris to participate. NCUC will be using the Elluminate platform >> to permit remote participation in the meeting. Attendees will be able to >> pose questions or participate in the discussion. They will be able to >> hear discussions going on in the meeting. >> >> The civil society meeting will be held Tuesday June 24, from 14:00 - >> 18:00 Paris time. The first two hours will be a general policy issue >> discussion for noncommercial organizations, the second half (from 14:00 >> - 18:00) will coincide with the joint meeting between the Noncommercial >> Users Constituency (NCUC) and the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC). >> Here are some sample world times: >> >> UTC/Paris 14:00-18:00 >> Delhi 19:30-23:30 >> Moscow 18:00-22:00 >> Sao Paulo 11:00-15:00 >> New York 10:00-14:00 >> Los Angeles 07:00-11:00 >> Hong Kong 22:00-02:00 >> >> To enable your participation, first install the Elluminate java-based >> Client. You can do this at any time, the sooner the better. To setup a >> client, use this link >> <http://internetgovernance.org/usingelluminate.html> >> >> Once that is complete, on the date and time of the meeting go to the >> event listing on the IGP website >> <http://internetgovernance.org/events.html#NCUC_062408> and click "Join >> Meeting Online" >> An alternative link to join the meeting can be found here: >> <http://cotelcocave.syr.edu/join_meeting.html?meetingId=1213081884178> >> >> >> Please relay this information to appropriate parties. >> >> Milton Mueller >> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies >> XS4All Professor, Delft University of Technology >> ------------------------------ >> Internet Governance Project: >> http://internetgovernance.org >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance(a)lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >> governance-unsubscribe(a)lists.cpsr.org >> >> For all list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [governance] the public interest in ICANN > From: > "Milton L Mueller" <mueller(a)syr.edu> > Date: > Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:41:13 -0400 > To: > <governance(a)lists.cpsr.org> > > To: > <governance(a)lists.cpsr.org> > > > At the Paris meeting of ICANN June 23 - 28 some reforms may be made > which could greatly improve ICANN's representative structure. In a > nutshell, representation of noncommercial users (public interest groups, > NGOs, and individuals of a public interest bent) will be increased from > its current 14%, possibly to 25% or one-third. This will also involve a > change in the nature of noncommercial interest representation in ICANN. > > We'd like to invite all civil society organizations with an interest in > the Internet and its global governance to be aware of this and take > advantage of it. So we are using online collaboration tools to extend > the meeting between the ICANN Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC) > and the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) globally. You do not have to > go to Paris to participate. NCUC will be using the Elluminate platform > to permit remote participation in the meeting. Attendees will be able to > pose questions or participate in the discussion. They will be able to > hear discussions going on in the meeting. > > The civil society meeting will be held Tuesday June 24, from 14:00 - > 18:00 Paris time. The first two hours will be a general policy issue > discussion for noncommercial organizations, the second half (from 14:00 > - 18:00) will coincide with the joint meeting between the Noncommercial > Users Constituency (NCUC) and the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC). > > Here are some sample world times: > > UTC/Paris 14:00-18:00 > Delhi 19:30-23:30 > Moscow 18:00-22:00 > Sao Paulo 11:00-15:00 > New York 10:00-14:00 > Los Angeles 07:00-11:00 > Hong Kong 22:00-02:00 > > To enable your participation, first install the Elluminate java-based > Client. You can do this at any time, the sooner the better. To setup a > client, use this link > <http://internetgovernance.org/usingelluminate.html> > > Once that is complete, on the date and time of the meeting go to the > event listing on the IGP website > <http://internetgovernance.org/events.html#NCUC_062408> and click "Join > Meeting Online" > > An alternative link to join the meeting can be found here: > <http://cotelcocave.syr.edu/join_meeting.html?meetingId=1213081884178> > > > Please relay this information to appropriate parties. > > Milton Mueller > Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies > XS4All Professor, Delft University of Technology > ------------------------------ > Internet Governance Project: > http://internetgovernance.org > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance(a)lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe(a)lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >

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The good, bad, and the ugly of censorship:France's Citizens Expected to Help Build Internet Blacklist
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 15, 2008

June 15, 2008

All, Well it seems that our fellow netcitizens in France are in the censorship business at the government level. The good is that they seem to be focusing in on Child Pornography, hate sites, and terrorist related content sites for the moment. The bad might be is that this could expand into a politically expediant, politically correct exercise that has it's own obvious and questionably valid results. The ugly is that if the bad good morfs into personel or political vendettas, the uglyness will spread like a horrible virus. Lets all hope that France sticks to Child Poronography, hate and terrorist web sites/domain names. See: http://www.corrupt.org/ http://www.smh.com.au/news/wireless--broadband/france-to-block-porn-terror-… http://slashdot.org/articles/00/05/23/0136220_F.shtml Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Issues for Paris
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 15, 2008

June 15, 2008

Jacque, Evan, and all, The obvious problems with the seemingly increasing complex organization structure of the ALAC, and the RALO's as well as the differences between the them is now, and continues to lead to gross misunderstanding and will continue to do so as Wendy and Danny have frequently elaborated upon in various discussions on the reletive forums associated. So I fully agree with Evan on that score, but would suggest that simplification, transparency, accountability, and openness will go far to improving this now growing and unecessarly complex organizational and operational structure problems I also fully agree with Jacque's concerns and would expand on her concern in that if any and all users cannot have a voice and vote on all issues introduced, able to introduce new or developing concerns that may not be obviously recognized, the mission of ICANN via the ALAC or the RALO's cannot ever be fulfilled. "Jacqueline A. Morris" wrote: > Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > > > Maybe this is not a meeting topic, but I am increasingly becoming aware > > that the GAC -- although, like ALAC has no direct Board seat, wields > > enormous power within ICANN. I would appreciate if some people here with > > some background could confirms or deny, and offer opinions on the > > organizational differences between the two advisory groups. Perhaps such > > information may be helpful in our meeting ... even if informal. > yes, the GAC is very powerful without any voting Board seat. And one of > the reasons that I consistently ask WHY it is necessary to have a voting > seat to have influence. I think that there's a concept that the vote > means something in and of itself - honestly, if we have 40% of the Board > seats , we can still lose EVERY vote if we are not respected, and have > no influence! Whereas as you see with the GAC, you don't need to vote if > you can persuade the people who have votes to vote your way. > But anyway > IMO it's a combination of things - > Governments intrinsically have a lot of power/respect from people (yes, > I know there are many that may not deserve such, but the fact of their > being a Government carries with it a certain power) ; > the Government representatives to ICANN so far are seen by many as being > quality persons (Janis, Sharil, Bertrand etc); > the GAC picks its areas of focus and issues its communique at the end of > each ICANN meeting (predictable timing, weighty statement); > it stands together in public, so that even if there are bitter > disagreements in private, when the statement comes out, it's a GAC > statement, supported by the Governments. > > Organisationally, the GAC both benefits from and loses from the > Government protocols to which it is subject - they can't move quickly to > a final decision as home offices must often sign off on issues that may > be controversial, they have a lot of work to do to get to a position > On the other hand, they are very experienced in negotiation to a > relatively win-win position for the group (diplomats...); they all > subscribe to and follow GAC rules for statements, discussion and > negotiation to get to those statements, etc. > > ALAC is both new and old, it has huge baggage from the past experiments, > it does not have a common purpose, and obviously not a common position. > One big problem with getting respect is that the At Large itself cuts > down the ALAC. It is rare for the ALAC to discuss and come out with a > position without the proponents of the unsuccessful position > immediately, publicly and in some cases viciously tearing it down. > There are also many At Large members who disagree with the mandate of > the ALAC as stated in the bylaws, and often derail or divert discussion, > shown on the public lists, and this can turn off a lot of potential > contributors who aren't comfortable with the level of the discussion. > IMO, this does not build respect for the group as a whole. It makes it > difficult for people unaccustomed to the rough and tumble of CS as > displayed by the At Large to imagine that anything useful could come out > of such chaos, and as such to discount it reflexively. > There are many At Large members whose behaviour can be considered on one > hand extremely passionate, and on the other hand, extremely rude and > offensive. It depends on culture and experiences etc. We've had these > discussion both on and off list, and there are many people who are > offended by the way in which discussion takes place in the At Large. If > we offend them, how can we easily persuade them to support our position? > Vote or no vote? > > And of course, the fact that the At Large hasn't put out many > substantive statements since the RALO formation (despite quite a few in > the pre-RALO and RALO building periods) - I know it's because the RALO's > aren't yet supported to be able to provide timely input (translations > etc) - but it adds to the perception. > > Just a few thoughts - hope they help > Jacqueline > > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > ------ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [At-Large] [Fwd: [Fwd: [governance] the public interest in ICANN]]
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 14, 2008

June 14, 2008

Jacque and all, I for one am very greatful for Milton's informing those of interest that the NCUC will be providing some form of remote participation in Paris. Hopefully the same can be done for Egypt. I am afraid and somewhat disallusioned in reading Milton's evaluation in a positive light that an increase in participation and from 14% to 25-33% of "noncommercial users (public interest groups, NGOs, and individuals of a public interest bent)". It seems rather self defeating and non-representative to limit such representation and participation arbitrarily. Why not allow without restriction or constriction of any and all interested parties ( meaning users of all types ) participation and representation individually? -----Original Message----- >From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> >Sent: Jun 13, 2008 8:31 PM >To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, 'LAC Discuss' <lac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [At-Large] [Fwd: [Fwd: [governance] the public interest in ICANN]] > >Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: >> Hi everyone >> here's some info on remote participation for the ALAC-NCUC meeting on >> 24 June in Paris. The GNSO reform will be discussed which re-aligns >> the power structures in the GNSO which deals with gTLD issues in >> ICANN. It's an opportunity for more CS participation in this >> particular ICANN structure. >> Jacqueline >> Milton L Mueller wrote: >>> At the Paris meeting of ICANN June 23 - 28 some reforms may be made >>> which could greatly improve ICANN's representative structure. In a >>> nutshell, representation of noncommercial users (public interest groups, >>> NGOs, and individuals of a public interest bent) will be increased from >>> its current 14%, possibly to 25% or one-third. This will also involve a >>> change in the nature of noncommercial interest representation in ICANN. >>> We'd like to invite all civil society organizations with an interest in >>> the Internet and its global governance to be aware of this and take >>> advantage of it. So we are using online collaboration tools to extend >>> the meeting between the ICANN Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC) >>> and the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) globally. You do not have to >>> go to Paris to participate. NCUC will be using the Elluminate platform >>> to permit remote participation in the meeting. Attendees will be able to >>> pose questions or participate in the discussion. They will be able to >>> hear discussions going on in the meeting. >>> >>> The civil society meeting will be held Tuesday June 24, from 14:00 - >>> 18:00 Paris time. The first two hours will be a general policy issue >>> discussion for noncommercial organizations, the second half (from 14:00 >>> - 18:00) will coincide with the joint meeting between the Noncommercial >>> Users Constituency (NCUC) and the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC). >>> Here are some sample world times: >>> >>> UTC/Paris 14:00-18:00 >>> Delhi 19:30-23:30 >>> Moscow 18:00-22:00 >>> Sao Paulo 11:00-15:00 >>> New York 10:00-14:00 >>> Los Angeles 07:00-11:00 >>> Hong Kong 22:00-02:00 >>> >>> To enable your participation, first install the Elluminate java-based >>> Client. You can do this at any time, the sooner the better. To setup a >>> client, use this link >>> <http://internetgovernance.org/usingelluminate.html> >>> >>> Once that is complete, on the date and time of the meeting go to the >>> event listing on the IGP website >>> <http://internetgovernance.org/events.html#NCUC_062408> and click "Join >>> Meeting Online" >>> An alternative link to join the meeting can be found here: >>> <http://cotelcocave.syr.edu/join_meeting.html?meetingId=1213081884178> >>> >>> >>> Please relay this information to appropriate parties. >>> >>> Milton Mueller >>> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies >>> XS4All Professor, Delft University of Technology >>> ------------------------------ >>> Internet Governance Project: >>> http://internetgovernance.org >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance(a)lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >>> governance-unsubscribe(a)lists.cpsr.org >>> >>> For all list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: >> [governance] the public interest in ICANN >> From: >> "Milton L Mueller" <mueller(a)syr.edu> >> Date: >> Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:41:13 -0400 >> To: >> <governance(a)lists.cpsr.org> >> >> To: >> <governance(a)lists.cpsr.org> >> >> >> At the Paris meeting of ICANN June 23 - 28 some reforms may be made >> which could greatly improve ICANN's representative structure. In a >> nutshell, representation of noncommercial users (public interest groups, >> NGOs, and individuals of a public interest bent) will be increased from >> its current 14%, possibly to 25% or one-third. This will also involve a >> change in the nature of noncommercial interest representation in ICANN. >> >> We'd like to invite all civil society organizations with an interest in >> the Internet and its global governance to be aware of this and take >> advantage of it. So we are using online collaboration tools to extend >> the meeting between the ICANN Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC) >> and the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) globally. You do not have to >> go to Paris to participate. NCUC will be using the Elluminate platform >> to permit remote participation in the meeting. Attendees will be able to >> pose questions or participate in the discussion. They will be able to >> hear discussions going on in the meeting. >> >> The civil society meeting will be held Tuesday June 24, from 14:00 - >> 18:00 Paris time. The first two hours will be a general policy issue >> discussion for noncommercial organizations, the second half (from 14:00 >> - 18:00) will coincide with the joint meeting between the Noncommercial >> Users Constituency (NCUC) and the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC). >> >> Here are some sample world times: >> >> UTC/Paris 14:00-18:00 >> Delhi 19:30-23:30 >> Moscow 18:00-22:00 >> Sao Paulo 11:00-15:00 >> New York 10:00-14:00 >> Los Angeles 07:00-11:00 >> Hong Kong 22:00-02:00 >> >> To enable your participation, first install the Elluminate java-based >> Client. You can do this at any time, the sooner the better. To setup a >> client, use this link >> <http://internetgovernance.org/usingelluminate.html> >> >> Once that is complete, on the date and time of the meeting go to the >> event listing on the IGP website >> <http://internetgovernance.org/events.html#NCUC_062408> and click "Join >> Meeting Online" >> >> An alternative link to join the meeting can be found here: >> <http://cotelcocave.syr.edu/join_meeting.html?meetingId=1213081884178> >> >> >> Please relay this information to appropriate parties. >> >> Milton Mueller >> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies >> XS4All Professor, Delft University of Technology >> ------------------------------ >> Internet Governance Project: >> http://internetgovernance.org >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance(a)lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >> governance-unsubscribe(a)lists.cpsr.org >> >> For all list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [At-Large] Compliance Issue
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 13, 2008

June 13, 2008

Stacy and all, Thank you for you thoughtful and specifically crafted response. Very refreshing for a change on this ALAC forum. I agree that there is of course no need for a change in the RAA to address this inparticular compliance issue. I am however concerned as a number of our members have been repeatedly reminding me that lack of response to correspondance to Registrars, Registries, both IP and TLD, as well as Admin. and Spam contact Email addresses, such as Google.com's, Gmail.com, and Yahoo.com's in respect to spam reporting and phishing reporting by users, and most of our members has become the norm over the past 5+ years. Here we believe that a amendment to the RAA contracts to specifically correct and certainly punish the practioneers of same, is necessary. -----Original Message----- >From: Stacy Burnette <stacy.burnette(a)icann.org> >Sent: Jun 13, 2008 11:37 AM >To: "dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com" <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> >Cc: Mike Zupke <Mike.Zupke(a)icann.org>, Tim Cole <Tim.Cole(a)icann.org>, At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Compliance Issue > >Dear Mr. Younger: > >Thank you for writing me regarding this important matter. We are aware of the issue that you set forth below. One of the primary reasons these registrars have been de-accredited is because they have consistently failed to respond to ICANN's correspondence and requests. We are making efforts to have any reference to "ICANN Accredited Registrar" removed from their websites. > >With regard to your question about proposed changes to the RAA to deal with an issue like this in the future, the last paragraph of the Logo License addresses this issue. http://www.icann.org/registrars/ra-agreement-17may01.htm#3. It states, > > >TERM AND TERMINATION > >This Logo License Appendix shall be effective from the date it is signed below by both parties until the Expiration Date, unless this appendix or the Registrar Accreditation Agreement is earlier terminated. Each party shall have the right to terminate this appendix at any time by giving the other party written notice. Upon expiration or termination of this appendix, Registrar shall immediately discontinue all use of the Trademarks. > >As indicated in the Logo License, "ICANN Accredited Registrar" is an ICANN trademark. As such, a RAA amendment is not needed to address this issue. > >Thanks again for your interest in this matter and I encourage you to write me in the future if you have other questions. > > >Very truly yours, > >Stacy Burnette >Director >Contractual Compliance >ICANN > >-----Original Message----- >From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:40 AM >To: Stacy Burnette >Cc: At-Large Worldwide >Subject: Compliance Issue > >Dear Ms. Burnette, > >I write to you regarding a compliance issue: > >One week ago the community was notified that two registrars had lost their accreditation. However, when one visits their websites we see that they are currently indicating to the public that they are still ICANN Accredited registrars. We earlier had the same problem with RegisterFly that continued to identify itself as ICANN-accredited until the Courts intervened. May we ask how this issue will be addressed? Are there changes proposed to the RAA that would deal with this matter in the future? > >regards, >Danny > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Compliance Issue
by Danny Younger June 13, 2008

June 13, 2008

Dear Ms. Burnette, I write to you regarding a compliance issue: One week ago the community was notified that two registrars had lost their accreditation. However, when one visits their websites we see that they are currently indicating to the public that they are still ICANN Accredited registrars. We earlier had the same problem with RegisterFly that continued to identify itself as ICANN-accredited until the Courts intervened. May we ask how this issue will be addressed? Are there changes proposed to the RAA that would deal with this matter in the future? regards, Danny

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