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ALAC Report for the Paris ICANN Meeting
by At-Large Staff June 28, 2008

June 28, 2008

Dear All: We have the pleasure of providing you with the attached Report of the At-Large Advisory Committee for the Paris ICANN Meeting. This will be posted shortly. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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Re: [At-Large] [ga] New top-level internet addresses come with $100, 000-plus price tag
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 28, 2008

June 28, 2008

Sotiris and all, This is one time amongst a host of others that I did not, I actually agree with Vint. The Internet is a public resource or is supposed to be. But than again aren't governments part of the Public as well? My answer is yes, but only part! Yet governments do, can, and will, directly, indirectly, or by legal statute, regulate the Internet. How far this will go in certain countries is a matter of good guessing and significant political intrigue. Oh my, what drama! And of course all in the name of good for the internet and good for the users, and introduced by various social engineering crackpots of multiple politically diverse bents. How lovely! sotiris(a)hermesnetwork.com wrote: > > In the course of time we will have good new TLDs that will serve > > particular needs. I, for one, look forward to the possibilities offered > > by a .bank TLD. These TLDS will add value to the namespace, and they will > > be readily found by those using common search engine applications. And > > yes, we will still have some remaining vanity TLDs outside of the root > > that almost no one will find that will continue to offer little to the > > broader Internet community. > > That is a rosy picture indeed. Personally, I don't see the need for a > .bank TLD as the existing namespace has not hindered online banking > developments in any way, at least not in any way that I can see... Perhaps > you could explain to us all *how* a .bank TLD will add value to the > namespace, except of course to the registry/registrars who will peddle the > TLD? > > When Jon Postel stated his opposition to the expansion of the TLD > namespace, it was because he actually had a clear understanding of what he > was about. I think you need to take a look at an interesting article you > may not have run across yet entitled "Vint Cerf Wonders If We Need To > Nationalize the Internet" see: > http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/25/vint-cerf-wonders-if-we-need-to-nation… > > Surely Atlas must be shrugging these days... > > Regards, > > Sotiris Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [At-Large] [ga] ICANN domains high jacked - interesting message - and so true
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 27, 2008

June 27, 2008

Dr. Joe and all, This is not the first time, nor shall it likely be the last time ICANN's Root servers have been hacked as long as the technical expertise at the IANA continues to decline as it has sense 1999. Even though ICANN has partly implemented DNSSEC on a few Root servers, that implementation was not a FULL implementation and was not coupled with IPSEC or securing the root servers themselves. I warned of this the first time back in 2000, and was rebuffed. Now that yet again ICANN's security folks have shown that they don't know what the heck they are doing, one has to wonder how they can be considered good stuarts of the security and safety of the DNS. Joe Baptista wrote: > > Interesting to see that the ICANN and IANA domains were high jacked > yesterday. > > http://www.zone-h.org/content/view/14973/30/ > > Basically they hacked the main page and left the following message > > # NeTDevilz # > > You think that you control the domains but you don't! Everybody knows > wrong. We control the domains including ICANN! > > Don't you believe us? > > haha :) > > (Lovable Turkish hackers group) > > ©2008 NetDevilz Co. > We're not first,But We're the BEST! > regards > joe baptista > > p.s. these hackers have the right general idea. ICANN has no control > over root operations. Years ago they had over 90% market share in > root - now thats down to about 70%. So it pleases me to no end that > the hackers have heard the message i've been going on for years. > There is no ICANN root monopoly. > > -- > Joe Baptista > www.publicroot.org > PublicRoot Consortium > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, > Representative & Accountable to the Internet community @large. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) > Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Money influences? Telecom Immunity Flip-Floppers Got More Telecom Money
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 27, 2008

June 27, 2008

All, A real USER issue. Kudos to Maplight and Larry Lessig! A nice analysis by Maplight.org indicating that those Democratic representatives who changed their vote on telecom immunity between March and June received on average http://www.maplight.org/FISA_June08 40% more in contributions from telecom interests than those Democrats who held firm. Maplight asks, "Why did these ninety-four House members have a change of heart? Their constituents deserve answers." Across both parties, representatives who voted for immunity in June had received almost twice a much telecom money as those who voted against. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/telecom-amnesty.html Wired's coverage includes a quote from Larry Lessig, who is on the Maplight board: "Money corrupts the process of reasoning. [Lawmakers] get a sixth sense of how what they do might affect how they raise money. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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[Fwd: [governance] dot.ASIA Front-Running scheme claimed]
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 27, 2008

June 27, 2008

Yehuda, Done. Dot.Asia has been a moderately too a very poorly manage registry sense it's very conception. It remains so. It comes as no surprise that others have finally taken note and interest in recognizing this more broadly recognized fact. It is rather amazing to me that ICANN has not yet redeligated this Registry to more a more appropriate party or parties. But this is partly due to ICANN itself having glaring and significant management and leadership deficiencies that have been shown time and time again. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [governance] dot.ASIA Front-Running scheme claimed Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:53:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Yehuda Katz" <yehudakatz(a)mailinator.com> Reply-To: governance(a)lists.cpsr.org,"Yehuda Katz" <yehudakatz(a)mailinator.com> To: governance(a)lists.cpsr.org All, Please (cross-post) run this on the ALAC mail-list. It looks like there is a 'Front-Running' scheme going on with the .ASIA Auctions http://www.dotasia-complot.org/ http://www.dotasia-complot.org/cat30.html The Guy (Thomas Rucker) is doing his homework, its worthy of a ALAC probe, that may flush out the bushes. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance(a)lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe(a)lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Weekly posting summary for alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten June 27, 2008

June 27, 2008

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Re: [At-Large] [ga] VeriSign Registry Service Proposal
by Bashar Al-Abdulhadi June 27, 2008

June 27, 2008

Chuck, Can you please explain what does two-character 2nd-level domains on .com and .net ? i thought all two letters/characters were available for registration and already been allocated to their respective owners? Best Regards, Bashar Al-Abdulhadi CEO, KuwaitNET.net Gomes, Chuck wrote, On 6/26/2008 10:54 AM: > It is for single and two-character 2nd-level domain names for .com and > .net. > > Chuck > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeffrey A. Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:04 PM >> To: ga(a)gnso.icann.org; Gomes, Chuck; >> na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> Cc: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; aheineman(a)ntia.doc.gov; >> ssene(a)ntia.doc.gov >> Subject: Re: [ga] VeriSign Registry Service Proposal >> >> Danny, Chuck and all, >> >> Thank you Danny for making us all aware of this. >> >> Chuck, thank you for making us as aware as you possibly >> could regarding this proposal. Is this a TLD or a Domain >> Name? I believe you meant TLD. In any event, our INEGroup >> members will be very interested I am sure to review this >> proposal very closely and shall relay their remarks to me >> which I shall share as broadly as possible to ICANN staff, >> Bod and other constituency groups within the GNSO. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> >>> Sent: Jun 25, 2008 6:33 PM >>> To: ga(a)gnso.icann.org >>> Subject: [ga] VeriSign Registry Service Proposal >>> >>> >>> >>>>> CHUCK GOMES: In the interest of transparency and >>>>> >> disclosing my interests, I would like to inform you that >> VeriSign has submitted a registry service proposal for the >> allocation of single and two-character domain names. There >> aren't very many two-character domain names available, by the >> way, one. >> >>> So, unfortunately, until it's posted it is not appropriate >>> >> for me to discuss the details. I can tell you that I believe >> that we incorporated a lot of the issues that were >> recommended in the comments with regard to ICANN's paper and >> that we think it has excellent benefit for the community. >> >>> And in fairness to ICANN staff so that we submitted it late >>> >> leading up to these meeting and at a very difficult time for >> them to respond -- although we have had some interaction, so >> I don't want this to come across as a criticism to ICANN >> staff that it hasn't been posted. >> >>> If per chance -- and I don't know whether this will happen >>> >> or not -- it is posted this week, we will be happy to talk >> about it and receive comments from people. >> >>> https://par.icann.org/files/paris/Paris-GNSO-22JUN08am.txt >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Regards, >> >> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders >> strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - >> Abraham Lincoln >> >> "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with >> what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt >> >> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the >> burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L >> multiplied by >> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." >> United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] >> =============================================================== >> Updated 1/26/04 >> CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. >> div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. >> ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail >> jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827 >> >> > > >

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user_s summit 2009 and icann committment to be user oriented
by Annette Muehlberg June 27, 2008

June 27, 2008

All, We finally made it and will be able to organize a userŽs summit in Mexico, March 2009! I think it would be great if we could make sure, that the userŽs summit will not be something seperated from the ICANN Meeting. Instead, ICANN should show its committment to strengthen its bottom up structure and be user oriented in all its policies. For the public discussion my proposal is, to approach all icann bodies - such as the board, various committees, the advisory councils, the ICANN supporting organisations and their constituencies as well as icann staff. We should ask them - throughout the whole icann meetings whenever they give a public presentations - to explain what the respective issues/ policy proposals mean for the internet end-user. I think implementing such a procedure would be a great step forward. Best greetings and many thanks to all, who have been working very hard to make the summit possible. Annette

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ICANN Board Resolutions, pt. 1
by Wendy Seltzer June 26, 2008

June 26, 2008

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The ICANN Board is meeting now, <http://par.icann.org/en/node/64>, with a live feed from the scribes available at <http://ses1.penn.icannmeeting.org/iframe.html> We've just heard a resolution adopting the GNSO's policy recommendations on new gTLDs, <http://gnso.icann.org/issues/new-gtlds/pdp-dec05-fr-parta-08aug07.htm>, in connection with which I raised ALAC's concerns about the "morality and public order" and "community support" objections. There is still a great deal of implementation work to be done, and ALAC's continued input can help to keep those objection criteria narrow. The At-Large Summit will be discussed at the end of the meeting, in "Other Business." I've gotten some detail from the Summit Working Group to add to that discussion. Thanks! - --Wendy [Agenda] 1) Approval of Minutes from 29 May 2008 (preliminary report is located at http://www.icann.org/minutes/prelim-report-29may08.htm 2) New gTLD Policy and Implementation (possible Action) 3) IDNC / IDN Fast-track (possible action) 4) Domain name tasting - support vote on GNSO motion (possible action) 5) BFC’s Recommendations regarding ICANN Budget and Operational Plan for 2008-2009 (possible action) 6) Registrar Accreditation Agreement (status update) 7) PIR DNSSEC Registry Services Proposal (possible action) 8) Review of the Board - Ratification of Executive Committee’s Approval of third-party selected by the BGC to conduct the Review (possible action) 9) BGC Recommendations Regarding RSSAC Working Group Charter (possible action) 10) Bylaws Mandated and other Structural Reviews Update 11) GNSO Improvements - support vote on BGC Report (possible action) 12) GNSO Improvements Implementation Recommendations Update (possible action) 13) Receipt of Report of President’s Strategy Committee Consultation (possible action) 14) Receipt of Reports from Other Board Committees, Compensation, et. Al. (possible actions) 15) Selection of Mexico City for ICANN Meeting Agreement Update (possible action) 16) Review of Paris Meeting Structure 17) Board Response to Discussions arising from Paris Meeting 18) Other Business - -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org Visiting Professor, Northeastern University School of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIY7GRuuui10VsrVERApVHAJ4i6XZ7XDI58yWOgcOkB6OxXsR1sACfV7cW RkkF8VhOsuUhYTio6x9Ab2A= =ogmg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [At-Large] Public Forum Running Order, topics and remote participation link
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 26, 2008

June 26, 2008

Nick and all, I know you mean well here, but this remote access method is quite poor as there is no avaliability for real time interaction as could have been made avaliable had ICANN attempted to contact either Turner Broadcasting or C-Span. So to call this remote participation in todays technology capability is far from accurate. -----Original Message----- >From: Nick Ashton-Hart <Nick.Ashton-Hart(a)icann.org> >Sent: Jun 25, 2008 2:26 AM >To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [At-Large] Public Forum Running Order, topics, and remote participation link > >Dear All: > >In case it is helpful, here is a bit more information about the Public Forum >of the ICANN Paris meeting a bit later today. > >Those who are not with us in Paris may participate remotely; full details >are at: http://par.icann.org/en/wed25jun/public-forum > >The forum has been structured to provide short windows of structured time >for individual topics, as in the running order below. The poll you will find >on the agenda page listed above was used to help ensure that the most >important subjects to the community were included. > >Since it is a discussion, the times will not be exact but there will be a >proactive ending of discussion on a particular topic if it overruns. > >The named staff member assigned to lead that topic will provide a discussion >slide for that topic. After a brief summary of relevant points related to >the subject, the community will them be invited to ask questions. Those >questions will be directed to the relevant person, whether staff, Board, SO >or AC member, or community member. > >Public Forum Running Order >PLEASE NOTE: Times below are close estimates. > >4pm PUBLIC FORUM OPENS >4:00 4:15 EXPLANATION OF FORUM APPROACH (Kieren McCarthy) >DEMONSTRATION OF SCRIBE TEXT FEED (Kieren McCarthy) >EXPLANATION OF EDITED MEETING VIDEOS PLUS ICANN STAFF DOTSUB VIDEO >EXPLANATION OF IPV6 WIRELESS CHANNEL (Kieren McCarthy | Steven Conte) >4:15 4:20 STRATEGIC PLAN (Patrick Sharry) >4:20 4:25 IPv6 (Barbara Roseman / Leo Vegoda) >4:25 4:30 OMBUDSMAN (Frank Fowlie) >4:30 4:40 INDEPENDENT REVIEWS (Denise Michel / Patrick Sharry) >4:40 4:50 IDN FAST TRACK (Tina Dam) >4:50 5:00 IDNs (Tina Dam) >5:00 5:10 RAA / PROTECTION OF REGISTRANTS (Kurt Pritz) >5:10 5:20 GNSO IMPROVEMENTS (Denise Michel) >5:20 5:30 OTHER SUBJECTS (Kieren McCarthy) > >5:30 6:00 BREAK FOR PEOPLE TO GET READY FOR GALA > >6:00 6:30 IMPROVING INSTITUTIONAL CONFIDENCE (JPA CONSULTATION) >(Paul Levins) >6:30 7:00 NEW gTLDs (Karla Valente) > >-- >Regards, > >Nick Ashton-Hart >Director for At-Large >Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) >Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 >USA DD: +1 (310) 578-8637 >Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 >Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 >email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org >Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: >nashtonhart >Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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