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Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] ELECTION SUMMARY: ALAC Liaisons to serve from October 2012 to ICANN AGM 2013
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Oct. 15, 2012

Oct. 15, 2012

Since Edmon accepts his nomination, I support him to continue as IDN Liaison Officer. On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Edmon Chung <edmon(a)isoc.hk> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Thanks for the nomination and am honored to continue to serve as the ALAC > IDN Liaison. > There are still a number of challenges for IDN ahead, but I am encouraged > to see that our recent advice regarding the prioritization of IDN gTLD > applications have been heard. > > As we move forward, besides thanking the many who have helped with the IDN > WG, would like to especially express my appreciation for Rinalia's great > help with the process. So I look forward to another year of fruitful work > and relaying the progress (or non-progress :-P) from the various IDN > related projects ongoing at ICANN. > > Edmon > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: > alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Olivier MJ > Crepin-Leblond > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:50 AM > To: ALAC Working List; alac-announce(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; At-Large > Worldwide > Subject: [ALAC] ELECTION SUMMARY: ALAC Liaisons to serve from October 2012 > to ICANN AGM 2013 > > Dear All, > > According to Rule 4 of the ALAC Internal Rules of Procedure > > https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/27854147/AL-2007-1-1-Rev11… > > Liaisons to ICANN's Advisory Committees, Supporting Organizations and > Constituencies can be established by approval of the Committee; in that > case, they will follow the rules established for the appointment and > functioning of the GNSO Liaison. > > The stage of nominations having been undertaken, it is now time to discuss > those nominations. > > The following is a list of the current positions: > > · GNSO liaison -- Currently held by Alan Greenberg > <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Alan+Greenberg+SOI> > > · ccNSO -- Currently held by Cheryl Langdon-Orr > > · SSAC -- Currently held by Julie Hammer > <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Julie+Hammer+SOI> > > · IDN Policy -- Currently held by Edmon Chung > < > https://community.icann.org/display/APRALO/Edmon+Chung+-+Bio+and+Statement+… > > > > · NCSG -- Currently held by Evan Leibovitch > <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Evan+Leibovitch+SOI> > > The DotMobi Liaison position is remaining vacant pending clarification > from DotMobi. > > All nominations are published on the relevant WIKI page: > https://community.icann.org/x/sxYQAg > > The following nominations have been received: > > GNSO Liaison Alan Greenberg > Nominated/seconded by: > > * Eduardo Diaz (Nom) > * Carlton Samuels > * Sala Tamanikaiwaimaro > * Rinalia Abdul Rahim > * Tijani Ben Jemaa > * Yaovi Atohoun > > ccNSO Liaison: Cheryl Langdon-Orr > Nominated/seconded by: > > * Sala Tamanikaiwaimaro (Nom) > * Rinalia Abdul Rahim (Nom) > * Eduardo Diaz (Nom) > * Carlton Samuels > * Tijani Ben Jemaa > * Yaovi Atohoun > > SSAC Liaison: Julie Hammer > Nominated/seconded by: > > * Tijani Ben Jemaa (Nom) > * Sandra Hoferichter > * Vanda Scartezini > * Yaovi Atohoun > * Sala Tamanikaiwaimaro > > IDN Policy Liaison: Edmon Chung > Nominated/seconded by: > > * Rinalia Abdul Rahim (Nom) > * Tijani Ben Jemaa > * Sandra Hoferichter > * Yaovi Atohoun > > NCSG Liaison: Evan Leibovitch > Nominated/seconded by: > > * Tijani Ben Jemaa (Nom) > * Sandra Hoferichter (Nom) > * Yaovi Atohoun > > > *2012-2103 ALAC Liaison Selection Schedule: * > > > * 4 October 2012 - Call for Expressions of Interest (to be sent to > lists.) > * 10 October 2012 - Deadline for Liaison Nominations (to be sent to > lists.) > * 15 October 2012 - Chair to post to the public ALAC list an "election > summary" message (sent to lists). > * 15-18 October 2012 - Nominations are discussed. > * 19 October 2012 - Deadline for Nominees to Accept their Nomination > (sent to lists and or as notified and recorded on the relevant > Election Pages of the At-Large Wiki.) > * 22-26 October 2012 - Selection of ALAC Liaisons -- if elections are > required, they will be held 22-26 October 2012. Where only one > nomination is received for any Liaison position, the nominee will be > confirmed in that role on 19 October 2012 > * 26 October 2012 - Selection/Election Results announced and any > unconfirmed Liaisons begin in their roles. > > > > > > *Relevant Rules from the ALAC Rules of Procedure: * > > > > RULE 4 - ELECTION OF LIAISONS > > > > 4.1 Liaisons to ICANN's Advisory Committees, Supporting Organizations and > Constituencies can be established by approval of the Committee; in > > that case, they will follow the rules established for the appointment and > functioning of the GNSO Liaison > > > > 4.2 **Refers to *The Board Liaison*, and is therefore not relevant here, > and will be redacted from the revised ALAC ROPs* > > > > 4.3 The election can take place by electronic mail, online balloting, > written balloting, or any other means deemed convenient and accurate > > > > 4.4 All liaisons serve for a term of one year starting from the closure of > an Annual General Meeting and ending at the closure of the following > > Annual General Meeting. > > > > 4.5 Liaisons shall be freely chosen by the ALAC, according to the > following criteria: > > > > 4.6 They shall normally be persons who are current or former members of > the ALAC, or are anyway familiar with the activities and functioning of > > ICANN and of the ALAC; > > > > 4.7 They shall accept to serve on behalf of the At-Large Community by > acting for the good of the entire Committee, working to bridge > > differences and build consensus, but also recognizing difference and > enabling different opinions to be shared; > > > > 4.8 They shall accept, while acting in their capacity as an ALAC > representative, to put the collective views of the ALAC, always, in front > of their own. > > > > RULE 5 - QUALIFICATION CRITERIA FOR LIAISONS > > > > 5.1 There is no requirement for a Liaison to be a member of the At-Large > Advisory Committee;* > > > > 5.2 A conflict of interest statement must be filed; > > > > 5.3 A person may not serve two different liaison positions at the same > time; > > > > 5.4 All liaisons can be removed before the end of their term by a vote of > recall according to rule 11; > > > > 5.5 All liaisons have a duty of performing their roles with diligence and > loyalty to the Committee, and are bound to meet the minimum > > participation requirements set forth in Rule 21. In case of failure to do > so, the Chair shall call a vote of recall. > > > > The mission and responsibilities of each Liaison of the ALAC are: > > > > 5.6 To participate diligently in the meetings and activities of the body > he/she is liaison to; > > > > 5.7 To communicate and advocate the positions of the ALAC to such body; > > > > 5.8 To report to the ALAC the current and upcoming activities of the body > he/she is liaison to, as far as this is possible under the timing > > and confidentiality constraints of such *body;* > > > > 5.9 When this is possible under such constraints, ask to the ALAC for > advance instructions on matters that are going to be discussed by such body. > > > > RULE 6 - PRIVILEGES OF LIAISONS > > > > 6.1 All liaisons have the same rights of access to information, mailing > lists and documents *as the ordinary ALAC members.* > > > > *PLEASE NOTE:* With the exception of the ALAC ByLaw-mandated liaisons to > the GNSO and the ccNSO, there is no assured travel finding for ALAC > Liaisons to attend > > ICANN Meetings unless they are serving ALAC members. Therefore, assurances > that they can still perform their role will be required. > > > > *The 2012-2013 ALAC Liaison Election - Schedule and Nominees Workspace:* > > > > This workspace is available at https://community.icann.org/x/lZEoAg. > > It includes the following additional important information: > > > > · Qualification criteria for liaisons; > > > > · Privileges of liaisons; > > > > · Election procedures, including specific procedures for the > ALAC liaison to the SSAC; > > > > · A table listing who has been nominated for the various liaison > positions. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond > > ALAC Chair > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: > https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… > > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: > https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851

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ELECTION SUMMARY: ALAC Liaisons to serve from October 2012 to ICANN AGM 2013
by Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Oct. 15, 2012

Oct. 15, 2012

Dear All, According to Rule 4 of the ALAC Internal Rules of Procedure https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/27854147/AL-2007-1-1-Rev11… Liaisons to ICANN's Advisory Committees, Supporting Organizations and Constituencies can be established by approval of the Committee; in that case, they will follow the rules established for the appointment and functioning of the GNSO Liaison. The stage of nominations having been undertaken, it is now time to discuss those nominations. The following is a list of the current positions: · GNSO liaison -- Currently held by Alan Greenberg <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Alan+Greenberg+SOI> · ccNSO -- Currently held by Cheryl Langdon-Orr · SSAC -- Currently held by Julie Hammer <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Julie+Hammer+SOI> · IDN Policy -- Currently held by Edmon Chung <https://community.icann.org/display/APRALO/Edmon+Chung+-+Bio+and+Statement+…> · NCSG -- Currently held by Evan Leibovitch <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Evan+Leibovitch+SOI> The DotMobi Liaison position is remaining vacant pending clarification from DotMobi. All nominations are published on the relevant WIKI page: https://community.icann.org/x/sxYQAg The following nominations have been received: GNSO Liaison Alan Greenberg Nominated/seconded by: * Eduardo Diaz (Nom) * Carlton Samuels * Sala Tamanikaiwaimaro * Rinalia Abdul Rahim * Tijani Ben Jemaa * Yaovi Atohoun ccNSO Liaison: Cheryl Langdon-Orr Nominated/seconded by: * Sala Tamanikaiwaimaro (Nom) * Rinalia Abdul Rahim (Nom) * Eduardo Diaz (Nom) * Carlton Samuels * Tijani Ben Jemaa * Yaovi Atohoun SSAC Liaison: Julie Hammer Nominated/seconded by: * Tijani Ben Jemaa (Nom) * Sandra Hoferichter * Vanda Scartezini * Yaovi Atohoun * Sala Tamanikaiwaimaro IDN Policy Liaison: Edmon Chung Nominated/seconded by: * Rinalia Abdul Rahim (Nom) * Tijani Ben Jemaa * Sandra Hoferichter * Yaovi Atohoun NCSG Liaison: Evan Leibovitch Nominated/seconded by: * Tijani Ben Jemaa (Nom) * Sandra Hoferichter (Nom) * Yaovi Atohoun *2012-2103 ALAC Liaison Selection Schedule: * * 4 October 2012 - Call for Expressions of Interest (to be sent to lists.) * 10 October 2012 - Deadline for Liaison Nominations (to be sent to lists.) * 15 October 2012 - Chair to post to the public ALAC list an "election summary" message (sent to lists). * 15-18 October 2012 - Nominations are discussed. * 19 October 2012 - Deadline for Nominees to Accept their Nomination (sent to lists and or as notified and recorded on the relevant Election Pages of the At-Large Wiki.) * 22-26 October 2012 - Selection of ALAC Liaisons -- if elections are required, they will be held 22-26 October 2012. Where only one nomination is received for any Liaison position, the nominee will be confirmed in that role on 19 October 2012 * 26 October 2012 - Selection/Election Results announced and any unconfirmed Liaisons begin in their roles. *Relevant Rules from the ALAC Rules of Procedure: * RULE 4 - ELECTION OF LIAISONS 4.1 Liaisons to ICANN's Advisory Committees, Supporting Organizations and Constituencies can be established by approval of the Committee; in that case, they will follow the rules established for the appointment and functioning of the GNSO Liaison 4.2 **Refers to *The Board Liaison*, and is therefore not relevant here, and will be redacted from the revised ALAC ROPs* 4.3 The election can take place by electronic mail, online balloting, written balloting, or any other means deemed convenient and accurate 4.4 All liaisons serve for a term of one year starting from the closure of an Annual General Meeting and ending at the closure of the following Annual General Meeting. 4.5 Liaisons shall be freely chosen by the ALAC, according to the following criteria: 4.6 They shall normally be persons who are current or former members of the ALAC, or are anyway familiar with the activities and functioning of ICANN and of the ALAC; 4.7 They shall accept to serve on behalf of the At-Large Community by acting for the good of the entire Committee, working to bridge differences and build consensus, but also recognizing difference and enabling different opinions to be shared; 4.8 They shall accept, while acting in their capacity as an ALAC representative, to put the collective views of the ALAC, always, in front of their own. RULE 5 - QUALIFICATION CRITERIA FOR LIAISONS 5.1 There is no requirement for a Liaison to be a member of the At-Large Advisory Committee;* 5.2 A conflict of interest statement must be filed; 5.3 A person may not serve two different liaison positions at the same time; 5.4 All liaisons can be removed before the end of their term by a vote of recall according to rule 11; 5.5 All liaisons have a duty of performing their roles with diligence and loyalty to the Committee, and are bound to meet the minimum participation requirements set forth in Rule 21. In case of failure to do so, the Chair shall call a vote of recall. The mission and responsibilities of each Liaison of the ALAC are: 5.6 To participate diligently in the meetings and activities of the body he/she is liaison to; 5.7 To communicate and advocate the positions of the ALAC to such body; 5.8 To report to the ALAC the current and upcoming activities of the body he/she is liaison to, as far as this is possible under the timing and confidentiality constraints of such *body;* 5.9 When this is possible under such constraints, ask to the ALAC for advance instructions on matters that are going to be discussed by such body. RULE 6 - PRIVILEGES OF LIAISONS 6.1 All liaisons have the same rights of access to information, mailing lists and documents *as the ordinary ALAC members.* *PLEASE NOTE:* With the exception of the ALAC ByLaw-mandated liaisons to the GNSO and the ccNSO, there is no assured travel finding for ALAC Liaisons to attend ICANN Meetings unless they are serving ALAC members. Therefore, assurances that they can still perform their role will be required. *The 2012-2013 ALAC Liaison Election - Schedule and Nominees Workspace:* This workspace is available at https://community.icann.org/x/lZEoAg. It includes the following additional important information: · Qualification criteria for liaisons; · Privileges of liaisons; · Election procedures, including specific procedures for the ALAC liaison to the SSAC; · A table listing who has been nominated for the various liaison positions. Kind regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond ALAC Chair

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ICANN 2012 Nominating Committee Announces Selections
by Dev Anand Teelucksingh Oct. 15, 2012

Oct. 15, 2012

Congratulations to all, but special congratulations to Alan Greenberg and to Jean-Jacques Subrenat on their nominations to the ALAC! Read announcement at : http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-30aug12-en.htm Kind Regards, Dev Anand Teelucksingh

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Celebrating Women in Technology [Ada Lovelace Day]
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Oct. 15, 2012

Oct. 15, 2012

Dear All, As today is Ada Lovelace Day where societies reflect and celebrate the accomplishments of women in science, math, technology and engineering. See: http://t.co/No4eRYhl To this end, I would like to congratulate all inspiring and inspired women within the At Large community. Thank you Staff and At Large. Most people know of the Wright brothers inventing the first airplanes but most people don't know that the inspiration behind them and the person who taught them "mechanics" which inspired them onwards to aerodynamics was none other than their beloved mother. In honour of the many women who have gone before us and paved the way to enable us to enjoy our "today".... Warm Wishes, -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851

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Pressure to outflank Huawei - organized by US competitors
by Carlton Samuels Oct. 14, 2012

Oct. 14, 2012

..its called competition by any means necessary. Ironically, this is just one response. Some good is coming to consumers from just the threat, especially in Africa and LAC. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/huaweis-us-competitors-am… - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

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The Internet as battle theatre
by Carlton Samuels Oct. 14, 2012

Oct. 14, 2012

...'the fire next time'......pushback was inevitable....we always knew this was in our future, too..... http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/world/middleeast/us-suspects-iranians-wer… - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

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gTLD Review Group decisions regarding the comments by IT for Change, India
by Dev Anand Teelucksingh Oct. 13, 2012

Oct. 13, 2012

Dear All, The gTLD Review Group (gTLD RG ; https://community.icann.org/x/u7-bAQ) received a comment from IT for Change, India on September 11 2012. IT for Change, India's comment was not directed at a specific application or applicant but was posted to the At-Large new gTLD Applications Dashboard at https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/multiple-strings-by-IT-for-ch… for comment. The comment by IT for Change, India is that allowing generic words as private TLDs (i.e with single registrant, with no requirement to make second level domain names available to the open market) is against the public interest. Because such a concept is outside the scope of any particular applicant or application, the gTLD RG will not be submitting a comment for the ALAC for possible submission to ICANN's new gTLD comment forum before the close of the Application Comment Period on September 26 2012. However, given the concept raised regarding generic words becoming private TLDs has policy implications that impacts individual Internet end users, the gTLD RG recommends that the issues raised be referred to the At-Large new gTLD Working Group (new gTLD WG ; https://community.icann.org/x/8Yoi) for discussion and possible policy recommendations. We note that the issues referred to the new gTLD WG from past comments received by the gTLD RG (https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.book+_OG) have been added to the new gTLD WG's agenda. Kind Regards, Dev Anand Teelucksingh Chair, gTLD Review Group

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Name.Space vrs ICANN #gTLDs
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Oct. 13, 2012

Oct. 13, 2012

Dear All, Thanks to Joly who alerted us of Kevin Murphy notifyimg the world to Name. Space's Claim against ICANN, see: http://domainincite.com/10754-company-files-for-injunction-against-189-new-… *Summary* Name.Space Inc has filed a Claim against ICANN alleging:- 1. Contract, Combination or Conspiracy in Restraint of Trade under Section 1 of the Sherman Antitrust Act, 15 U.S.C. § 1 2. Monopolization under Section 2 of the Sherman Antitrust Act, 15 U.S.C. § 2) 3. Unlawful Restraint of Trade and Conspiracy in Restraint of Trade Under the Cartwright Act, California Business and Professions Code §§ 16720 et seq. 4. Unfair Competition and False Designation of Origin under Section 43 of the Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C. § 1125(a) 5. Common Law Trademark Infringement 6. Unfair Competition under California Business and Professions Code § 17200 7. Common Law Unfair Competition 8. Tortious Interference with Contract 9. Tortious Interference with Prospective Economic Advantage To read the Claim, visit: http://domainincite.com/docs/Name.Space%20Complaint%2010.1012.pdf Kind Regards, -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851

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Weekly posting summary for at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten Oct. 12, 2012

Oct. 12, 2012

Total of 55 messages in the last 7 days. script run at: Fri Oct 12 00:53:04 EDT 2012 Messages | Bytes | Who --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 32.73% | 18 | 32.83% | 178228 | salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com 12.73% | 7 | 10.22% | 55466 | carlton.samuels at gmail.com 7.27% | 4 | 12.22% | 66343 | alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca 5.45% | 3 | 3.99% | 21677 | joly at punkcast.com 3.64% | 2 | 5.22% | 28349 | yaovito at yahoo.fr 5.45% | 3 | 3.33% | 18095 | johnl at iecc.com 3.64% | 2 | 2.76% | 14989 | ocl at gih.com 1.82% | 1 | 4.46% | 24214 | parminder at itforchange.net 1.82% | 1 | 2.64% | 14347 | evan at telly.org 1.82% | 1 | 2.57% | 13941 | vanda at uol.com.br 1.82% | 1 | 2.45% | 13288 | julie.hammer at bigpond.com 1.82% | 1 | 2.30% | 12460 | info at hoferichter.eu 1.82% | 1 | 2.11% | 11466 | tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org 1.82% | 1 | 1.94% | 10514 | rinalia.abdulrahim at gmail.com 1.82% | 1 | 1.53% | 8313 | narten at us.ibm.com 1.82% | 1 | 1.39% | 7520 | jstyre at jstyre.com 1.82% | 1 | 1.31% | 7102 | michele at blacknight.ie 1.82% | 1 | 1.24% | 6743 | staff at atlarge.icann.org 1.82% | 1 | 1.21% | 6562 | devtee at gmail.com 1.82% | 1 | 1.17% | 6347 | jaap at nlnetlabs.nl 1.82% | 1 | 1.10% | 5949 | derek at aa419.org 1.82% | 1 | 1.03% | 5595 | lutz at iks-jena.de 1.82% | 1 | 0.98% | 5315 | lutz at thur.de --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 100.00% | 55 |100.00% | 542823 | Total

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NCUC Policy Conference “Security & Freedom in a Connected World” Friday 10/12 (remote participation details)
by Joly MacFie Oct. 11, 2012

Oct. 11, 2012

[image: NCUC Conference] <http://www.amiando.com/NCUC-ICANN45.html>The ICANN <http://www.amiando.com/NCUC-ICANN45.html>Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) <http://ncuc.org/> is holding an all-day policy conference *“ICANN & Internet Governance: Security & Freedom in a Connected World” <http://www.amiando.com/NCUC-ICANN45.html> *in Toronto on Friday, 12 October 2012 – the eve of ICANN #45 <http://toronto45.icann.org/> .The conference will explore key ICANN and Internet governance policy issues. It will discuss the promotion of cyber-security and human rights on the Internet, multi-stakeholderism and the role of governments, and key policy issues surrounding new top-level domains such as freedom of expression and intellectual property rights. The conference’s subtitle recognizes society’s shared twin goals of security and freedom, and questions to what extent must society sacrifice one for the other. Remote participation will be available via Adobe Connect <http://icann.adobeconnect.com/yyz45-ncuc/> and there will also be a live webcast via the Internet Society Chapters Webcasting Channel <http://bit%2Cly/isoctv>. Toronto time is UTC-4. * * *What*: NCUC Policy Conference: Security & Freedom in a Connected World<http://www.amiando.com/NCUC-ICANN45.html> *Where*: Fairmont Royal York Hotel, Toronto, Canada *When*: Friday October 12 2012 9am-5:45pm | 1300-2145 UTC *Program*: http://bit.ly/QeKXxa *Adobe Connect*: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/yyz45-ncuc/ *Webcast*: http://bit,ly/isoctv *Twitter*: #ncuc <https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23ncuc> | #icann45<https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23icann45> -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -

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