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Re: [At-Large] Weekly posting summary for at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Jan. 19, 2015

Jan. 19, 2015

Thanks Jefsey for your technical observations. I read all the messages on this thread (and chuckled on the sarcastic ones) but none answered my initial questions: - Was there a decision to task any particular individual/firm with carrying out this statistical/nominative tracking? Was this decision taken in ALAC or elsewhere (date, reference)? - Was this submitted to regular review and approval, or is there a separate decision to grant this as a permanent authorization (date, reference)? - If this is being used as a metrics tool, what is its qualitative relevance? Has it been effectively used to "measure" the value of this or that member, say in ALAC? How were the criteria determined, and by whom (date, reference)? Remaining silent on these questions would not, in my mind, serve the "polycratic rights" of the "cyberagora system". You are no doubt familiar with the novel by Dave Eggers, "The Circle" (Penguin Books, 2013). Jean-Jacques. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Jefsey" <jefsey(a)jefsey.com> À: "Jean-Jacques Subrenat" <jjs(a)dyalog.net> Cc: "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 19 Janvier 2015 11:19:48 Objet: Re: [At-Large] Weekly posting summary for at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Jean-Jacques, I am afraid this list of points denotes an interventionist attitude which is out of context with our multitude's polycratic rights. It is interesting to note that it surprisingly comes as an opposition - between two former ICANN Board Members - from a French ambassador to a glasnost service by an American industry member. However, it calls for an extended understanding of the internet cyberagora system I plead for that should be discussed either on the IETF or on the Libre's technical WG lists. Addressing the request refers to the uses of classes of senders and groups of receivers (or closed user groups, or more generally VGNs [virtual glocal networks]) within a distribution list. Something I advocate for a long as an SMTP/DNS/CATENET/etc/ generalization of what is already non-interoperationnally disseminated in the technology. In this case it could probably be patched in using the keyword field? jfc At 23:16 02/01/2015, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote: >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64Dear Colleagues, > >my request is to be unsubscribed ONLY from the "Weekly posting >summary" established by T. Narten, not from other elements on the >At-Large lists (this is in answer to Seun's remark). My request is >based on the following considerations: > >1) This "summary" was considered by some in the ALAC as a metric of >effective presence and work of its members (Carlton's remark). I >have long questioned the validity of this approach, and still do. >This measurement not have its equivalent, say on the ICANN Board, >where the "360° Review" of Directors is carried out with other tools. > >2) This form of statistical data has no qualitative value, as it may >record a peak of correspondence from one ALAC or At-Large member >giving family news and being congratulated by everyone else, or any >other topic, for that matter. > >3) Nominative tracking also raises the question of how such >information may or may not be used for purposes it was or was not >designed for, e.g. surveillance. > >4) A minor point, but non-US citizens may have noticed that the >"summary" is provided by, and emanates from, an address in a US >corporation. In itself this is not a cause for concern, but some >questions need to be answered: was there a decision to ask/grant any >particular individual/firm to carry out this statistical/nominative >tracking (date, reference), was this submitted to regular review and >approval, is there a separate decision to grant this as a permanent >authorization? > >5) It is not desirable, nor fair, that members of the At-Large >and/or ALAC lists cannot ask to be unsubscribed from one item (in >this case the "Weekly posting summary") without being deleted from >these lists for other items and debates. > >6) It goes without saying, but I wish to make clear here, that my >lack of enthusiasm for this "Weekly posting summary" is in no way a >judgment on the value of its author, whom I worked with as a member >of the ICANN Board, and whose experience and opinion I value. > >Jean-Jacques. > > > > > > > >----- Mail original ----- >De: "Carlton Samuels" <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> >À: "Thomas Narten" <narten(a)us.ibm.com> >Cc: "Jean-Jacques Subrenat" <jjs(a)dyalog.net>, "At-Large Worldwide" ><at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Envoyé: Vendredi 2 Janvier 2015 22:13:40 >Objet: Re: [At-Large] Weekly posting summary for >at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > >Dear Colleagues: > > >I beg to disagree these postings are not desirable and I will tell you why. > > >The ALAC has developed performance/engagement/utility metrics that, >for better or worse, include elements that are displayed by this report. > > >Consider then this report an artful early warning device. I should >think such a one is both good and necessary for ALAC members; >shooting the messenger, or, 'disappearing' the message would hardly >be curative. > > >I'm of a mind that only when the ALAC metrics are disavowed, then >and only then one could reasonably insist this notification is unnecessary. > > >-Carlton > > >-Carlton > > > > >============================== >Carlton A Samuels >Mobile: 876-818-1799 >Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround >============================= > >On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Thomas Narten < narten(a)us.ibm.com > wrote: > > > > this is to request that I be unsubscribed from this "At-Large weekly > > posting summary", which I find not useful. > >Sorry, individual folk can't opt out of this message, as it's sent to >the list. Everyone on the list gets it, as they do all postings. > >If it's the collective sense of this list that these postings are no >longer needed or desired, I will stop generating them. > >Thomas > > > > > Jean-Jacques. >‚ €( >KKKKHXZ[ÜšYÚ[€al ----- > > De: "Thomas Narten" < narten(a)us.ibm.com > > > À: at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >[�›ÞpêNˆ™[™™Y@ 2 Janvier 2015 06:53:04 >Øš™]ˆÐ]S\™ÙWHÙYZÛHÜÝing summary for at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >‚Fðtal of 5 messages in the last 7 days. > > > > script run at: Fri Jan 2 00:53:04 EST 2015 > > > > Messages | Bytes | Who > > --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ > > 20.00% | 1 | 25.50% | 11120 | sylvia at internautabrasil.org >ŒŒ HHNK�ŒIH >MLYZ[ˆ]ttcsweb.org > > 20.00% | 1 | 18.97% | 8273 | narten at us.ibm.com > > 20.00% | 1 | 17.98% | 7839 | louis.houle at oricom.ca > > 20.00% | 1 | 17.93% | 7819 | b.schombe at gmail.com > > --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ >LŒ H >HLŒ H >ÍŒHÝ[�ˆ€> _______________________________________________ > > At-Large mailing list > > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >‚BÔÆ&vRöff6Â6—FS¢‡GG¢òöFÆ&vRæ6æâæ÷&r > > >_______________________________________________ >At-Large mailing list >At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >_______________________________________________ >At-Large mailing list >At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org

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IANA Transition Demystified #PTC15
by Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro Jan. 19, 2015

Jan. 19, 2015

Dear All, I would like to invite you to attend the session on IANA Demystified if you are in Honolulu for the PTC 15. Details are as follows: http://www.ptc.org/ptc15/program-and-attendees/complete-program/details.htm… We have ICANN CTO, APNIC DG on the Panel amongst others, details are in the link above. Kind Regards, Sala Sent from my iPad

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Re: [At-Large] Weekly posting summary for at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Jefsey Jan. 19, 2015

Jan. 19, 2015

Jean-Jacques, I am afraid this list of points denotes an interventionist attitude which is out of context with our multitude's polycratic rights. It is interesting to note that it surprisingly comes as an opposition - between two former ICANN Board Members - from a French ambassador to a glasnost service by an American industry member. However, it calls for an extended understanding of the internet cyberagora system I plead for that should be discussed either on the IETF or on the Libre's technical WG lists. Addressing the request refers to the uses of classes of senders and groups of receivers (or closed user groups, or more generally VGNs [virtual glocal networks]) within a distribution list. Something I advocate for a long as an SMTP/DNS/CATENET/etc/ generalization of what is already non-interoperationnally disseminated in the technology. In this case it could probably be patched in using the keyword field? jfc At 23:16 02/01/2015, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote: >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64Dear Colleagues, > >my request is to be unsubscribed ONLY from the "Weekly posting >summary" established by T. Narten, not from other elements on the >At-Large lists (this is in answer to Seun's remark). My request is >based on the following considerations: > >1) This "summary" was considered by some in the ALAC as a metric of >effective presence and work of its members (Carlton's remark). I >have long questioned the validity of this approach, and still do. >This measurement not have its equivalent, say on the ICANN Board, >where the "360° Review" of Directors is carried out with other tools. > >2) This form of statistical data has no qualitative value, as it may >record a peak of correspondence from one ALAC or At-Large member >giving family news and being congratulated by everyone else, or any >other topic, for that matter. > >3) Nominative tracking also raises the question of how such >information may or may not be used for purposes it was or was not >designed for, e.g. surveillance. > >4) A minor point, but non-US citizens may have noticed that the >"summary" is provided by, and emanates from, an address in a US >corporation. In itself this is not a cause for concern, but some >questions need to be answered: was there a decision to ask/grant any >particular individual/firm to carry out this statistical/nominative >tracking (date, reference), was this submitted to regular review and >approval, is there a separate decision to grant this as a permanent >authorization? > >5) It is not desirable, nor fair, that members of the At-Large >and/or ALAC lists cannot ask to be unsubscribed from one item (in >this case the "Weekly posting summary") without being deleted from >these lists for other items and debates. > >6) It goes without saying, but I wish to make clear here, that my >lack of enthusiasm for this "Weekly posting summary" is in no way a >judgment on the value of its author, whom I worked with as a member >of the ICANN Board, and whose experience and opinion I value. > >Jean-Jacques. > > > > > > > >----- Mail original ----- >De: "Carlton Samuels" <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> >À: "Thomas Narten" <narten(a)us.ibm.com> >Cc: "Jean-Jacques Subrenat" <jjs(a)dyalog.net>, "At-Large Worldwide" ><at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Envoyé: Vendredi 2 Janvier 2015 22:13:40 >Objet: Re: [At-Large] Weekly posting summary for >at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > >Dear Colleagues: > > >I beg to disagree these postings are not desirable and I will tell you why. > > >The ALAC has developed performance/engagement/utility metrics that, >for better or worse, include elements that are displayed by this report. > > >Consider then this report an artful early warning device. I should >think such a one is both good and necessary for ALAC members; >shooting the messenger, or, 'disappearing' the message would hardly >be curative. > > >I'm of a mind that only when the ALAC metrics are disavowed, then >and only then one could reasonably insist this notification is unnecessary. > > >-Carlton > > >-Carlton > > > > >============================== >Carlton A Samuels >Mobile: 876-818-1799 >Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround >============================= > >On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Thomas Narten < narten(a)us.ibm.com > wrote: > > > > this is to request that I be unsubscribed from this "At-Large weekly > > posting summary", which I find not useful. > >Sorry, individual folk can't opt out of this message, as it's sent to >the list. Everyone on the list gets it, as they do all postings. > >If it's the collective sense of this list that these postings are no >longer needed or desired, I will stop generating them. > >Thomas > > > > > Jean-Jacques. > ( >KKKKHXZ[ÜYÚ[al ----- > > De: "Thomas Narten" < narten(a)us.ibm.com > > > À: at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >[ÞpêN[Y@ 2 Janvier 2015 06:53:04 >Ø]Ð]S\ÙWHÙYZÛHÜÝing summary for at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Fðtal of 5 messages in the last 7 days. > > > > script run at: Fri Jan 2 00:53:04 EST 2015 > > > > Messages | Bytes | Who > > --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ > > 20.00% | 1 | 25.50% | 11120 | sylvia at internautabrasil.org > HHNKIH >MLYZ[]ttcsweb.org > > 20.00% | 1 | 18.97% | 8273 | narten at us.ibm.com > > 20.00% | 1 | 17.98% | 7839 | louis.houle at oricom.ca > > 20.00% | 1 | 17.93% | 7819 | b.schombe at gmail.com > > --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ >L H >HL H >ÍHÝ[> _______________________________________________ > > At-Large mailing list > > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >BÔÆ&vRöff6Â6FS¢GG¢òöFÆ&vRæ6æâæ÷&r > > >_______________________________________________ >At-Large mailing list >At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >_______________________________________________ >At-Large mailing list >At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org

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Weekly posting summary for at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten Jan. 16, 2015

Jan. 16, 2015

Total of 3 messages in the last 7 days. script run at: Fri Jan 16 00:53:02 EST 2015 Messages | Bytes | Who --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 33.33% | 1 | 36.84% | 9599 | joly at punkcast.com 33.33% | 1 | 31.60% | 8233 | fatimacambronero at gmail.com 33.33% | 1 | 31.56% | 8224 | narten at us.ibm.com --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 100.00% | 3 |100.00% | 26056 | Total

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REMOTE PARTICIPATION: NCUC Meeting with DC Internet Governance people 1500 UTC today
by Joly MacFie Jan. 14, 2015

Jan. 14, 2015

ISOC-NY is a member of the NonCommercial Users Constituency, and our mebers are encouraged to involve themselves in it's policy discussions. Here is a good opportunity. Attending in person will be some of our DC Chapter colleagues plus Jane Coffin from ISOC staff. joly posted: "Today Wednesday 14 January 2015, ancillary to the intersessional meeting of the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) of the Generic Names Standing Organization (GNSO) at ICANN, the NonCommercial Users Constituency (NCUC) will hold an outreach meeting with " [image: NCUC] <http://ncuc.org>Today *Wednesday 14 January 2015*, ancillary to the intersessional meeting <https://community.icann.org/display/ncph/Intersessional+-+January+2015> of the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) of the Generic Names Standing Organization (GNSO) at ICANN, the ** *NonCommercial Users Constituency* (NCUC) will hold *an outreach meeting <http://www.ncuc.org/ncuc-civil-society-outreach-event-in-washington-dc-janu…>* with Internet Governance interested people at the Center for Democracy and Technnology (CDT)in Washington DC. On the agenda, the IANA transition, accountability mechanisms in the context of globalization, human rights in internet governance, privacy and registry services, access to knowledge and intellectual property, freedom of expression and development, and ICANN in broader Internet governance, including NETmundial Initiative and the Internet Governance Forum. The meeting is by invitation only, but *remote participation* is possible via webex or phone bridge. *What: NCUC Civil Society Outreach Event <http://www.ncuc.org/ncuc-civil-society-outreach-event-in-washington-dc-janu…> Where: CDT, Washington DC When: Wednesday 14 January 2015 10am-Noon EST | 1500-1700 UTC Webex: https://cdtmeetings.webex.com/cdtmeetings/j.php?MTID=m0abd02e67615e37bc2c94… <https://cdtmeetings.webex.com/cdtmeetings/j.php?MTID=m0abd02e67615e37bc2c94…> Phone bridge: http://www.ncuc.org/ncuc-civil-society-outreach-event-in-washington-dc-janu… <http://www.ncuc.org/ncuc-civil-society-outreach-event-in-washington-dc-janu…> Twitter: @NCUC <https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%40NCUC&src=typd> * *Agenda:* 1. Participant Introductions 2. Brief introduction of NCUC @ ICANN 3. 2-3 minute introductions of issues NCUC works on in ICANN, e.g. • IANA and the transitioning of US authority (Matt Shears) • Accountability mechanisms in the context of globalization (Matt Shears) • Human rights generally (Bill Drake) • Privacy and registry services (Stephanie Perrin) • Access to knowledge and intellectual property (Kathy Kleiman) • Freedom of expression (David Cake) • Development (Rafik Dammak) • ICANN in broader Internet governance, e.g. NETmundial Initiative, IGF (Bill Drake) 4. Inputs from local participants on how these and related issues are being addressed in Washington DC and beyond 5. Open integrative discussion Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7375#respond> See all comments <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7375#comments> *Permalink* : http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7375 --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org ---------------------------------------------------------------

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Fwd: ICANN News Alert -- Webinar: Interactive Presentation of the Initial Report of the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group
by Fatima Cambronero Jan. 9, 2015

Jan. 9, 2015

*(sorry for crossposting)* FYI, ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ICANN News Alert <communications(a)icann.org> Date: 2015-01-09 15:46 GMT-03:00 Subject: ICANN News Alert -- Webinar: Interactive Presentation of the Initial Report of the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group To: fatimacambronero(a)gmail.com The PDP Working Group on Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information has been chartered to determine whether contact information data should be translated or transliterated into a common language and/or script. The Group has published its Initial Report recommending not to make translation/transliteration of contact information mandatory but to allow for it on a voluntary basis. The public comment <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/transliteration-contact-initial-2014-…> period on this Report is open until 1 February 2015. To help the Community understand the Working Group's reasoning and to facilitate the submission of public comments, the Working Group co-Chairs will hold a 30-min webinar on Friday 16 January at 14:00 UTC. The aim is to present the preliminary recommendations and allow for an extended question and answer session, providing an opportunity for an interactive exchange between the Community and members of this PDPWorking Group. Webinar on 17 January 2015; 14.00-14.30 UTC To take part please RSVP via gnso-secs(a)icann.org This message was sent to fatimacambronero(a)gmail.com from: ICANN News Alert | communications(a)icann.org | ICANN | 12025 Waterfront Drive Suite 300 | Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 Email Marketing by [image: iContact - Try It Free!] <http://www.icontact.com/a.pl/144186> Manage Your Subscription <http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=13227880&l=6333&s=RZZO&m=95…> -- *Fatima Cambronero* Abogada-Argentina Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 Twitter: @facambronero Skype: fatima.cambronero

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Weekly posting summary for at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten Jan. 9, 2015

Jan. 9, 2015

Total of 17 messages in the last 7 days. script run at: Fri Jan 9 00:53:02 EST 2015 Messages | Bytes | Who --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 17.65% | 3 | 19.15% | 31766 | seun.ojedeji at gmail.com 11.76% | 2 | 14.95% | 24791 | apisan at unam.mx 11.76% | 2 | 10.10% | 16754 | narten at us.ibm.com 5.88% | 1 | 7.82% | 12969 | roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com 5.88% | 1 | 7.18% | 11906 | louis.houle at oricom.ca 5.88% | 1 | 5.91% | 9801 | amedinagomez at gmail.com 5.88% | 1 | 5.85% | 9706 | devtee at gmail.com 5.88% | 1 | 5.71% | 9467 | wolf.ludwig at comunica-ch.net 5.88% | 1 | 5.06% | 8396 | toml at communisphere.com 5.88% | 1 | 4.80% | 7960 | garth.graham at telus.net 5.88% | 1 | 4.79% | 7945 | evan at telly.org 5.88% | 1 | 4.76% | 7901 | ocl at gih.com 5.88% | 1 | 3.91% | 6480 | vanda at uol.com.br --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 100.00% | 17 |100.00% | 165842 | Total

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Weekly posting summary for at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten Jan. 7, 2015

Jan. 7, 2015

Total of 5 messages in the last 7 days. script run at: Fri Jan 2 00:53:04 EST 2015 Messages | Bytes | Who --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 20.00% | 1 | 25.50% | 11120 | sylvia at internautabrasil.org 20.00% | 1 | 19.61% | 8550 | admin at ttcsweb.org 20.00% | 1 | 18.97% | 8273 | narten at us.ibm.com 20.00% | 1 | 17.98% | 7839 | louis.houle at oricom.ca 20.00% | 1 | 17.93% | 7819 | b.schombe at gmail.com --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 100.00% | 5 |100.00% | 43601 | Total

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welcome to LACRALO Ricardo!!!
by Vanda Scartezini Jan. 6, 2015

Jan. 6, 2015

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Re: [At-Large] Weekly posting summary for at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Seun Ojedeji Jan. 2, 2015

Jan. 2, 2015

Just noticed I did not copy my response below to the list. Regards sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 2 Jan 2015 14:34, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi JJ, > > An individual can't be excluded from just this mail, it is either its > stopped totally or you filter it out from your end. Nevertheless I also > think weekly report is too heavy, admin may consider a monthly report (so > it comes same day with the monthly password reminder). > > Regards > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques <jjs(a)dyalog.net> > wrote: > >> Hello, >> this is to request that I be unsubscribed from this "At-Large weekly >> posting summary", which I find not useful. >> Thank you. >> Jean-Jacques. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Mail original ----- >> De: "Thomas Narten" <narten(a)us.ibm.com> >> À: at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> Envoyé: Vendredi 2 Janvier 2015 06:53:04 >> Objet: [At-Large] Weekly posting summary for >> at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> Total of 5 messages in the last 7 days. >> >> script run at: Fri Jan 2 00:53:04 EST 2015 >> >> Messages | Bytes | Who >> --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ >> 20.00% | 1 | 25.50% | 11120 | sylvia at internautabrasil.org >> 20.00% | 1 | 19.61% | 8550 | admin at ttcsweb.org >> 20.00% | 1 | 18.97% | 8273 | narten at us.ibm.com >> 20.00% | 1 | 17.98% | 7839 | louis.houle at oricom.ca >> 20.00% | 1 | 17.93% | 7819 | b.schombe at gmail.com >> --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ >> 100.00% | 5 |100.00% | 43601 | Total >> >> _______________________________________________ >> At-Large mailing list >> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> _______________________________________________ >> At-Large mailing list >> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > *Seun Ojedeji,Federal University Oye-Ekitiweb: > http://www.fuoye.edu.ng <http://www.fuoye.edu.ng> Mobile: +2348035233535**alt > email: <http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji(a)fuoye.edu.ng > <seun.ojedeji(a)fuoye.edu.ng>* > > The key to understanding is humility - my view ! > > >

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