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Re: [At-Large] [discuss] cgi.br release regarding Brazil Global MSM on Internet Governance
by William Drake Jan. 13, 2014

Jan. 13, 2014

jfc If you’re going to cross-post things said on one list to another with a different audience and discussion going on, it would be better form to not cherry pick what you're quoting. For context, the comment below was in reply to Fadi’s statement in the interview, > "The world is seeking and growing ever more anxious to see an independent, > globally-accountable ICANN where no one government, no one organization, no > one individual has oversight or rights higher than the others,” Chehade > says. “I believe this is fundamental to the spirit of the Internet as well. > Equal footing for all stakeholders engaged in the management and governance > of this global resource.” > > http://siliconangle.com/blog/2014/01/10/icanns-fadi-chehade-says-we-have-18… On might have thought that statements like this and related moves, along with the Montevideo declaration language on globalization, would lead certain CS people to pause and reconsider a little the narrative they're spinning about the supposed strategies of imperialist forces and the false consciousness and culpability of civil society collaborationists who would like an actual multistakeholder platform to work. After all, the direction being pushed in addresses their central long-standing complaint, and the resistance to it now comes from other directions where folks are not convinced of the need or comfortable with the possible pace—another MS dialogue that needs to happen. Nevertheless, some CS folks refuse to take yes for an answer when there’s other agendas in play, so singing the same old song they’ve been stuck on since 2003 is preferred. I guess there’s a whole structure of incentives that remains powerful. This is frustrating and may help to preclude the very outcome they claim to favor, but who’s got the bandwidth to spend all day every day responding to this stuff. It’d be easier to convince creationists to consider the evidence for evolution. I’m reluctantly coming to the conclusion that nothing can be done about it so the reality-based community just needs to go forward regardless and live with the catcalls etc. As for the rest below, um, er, ok, thanks. Best Bill On Jan 12, 2014, at 8:22 PM, JFC Morfin <jefsey(a)jefsey.com> wrote: > Bill, > > Thank you for your today two todays sighs of concerns because they cover all our difficulties: > >> At 12:50 12/01/2014, William Drake wrote: >> And yet we have numerous loud voices saying on the 1Net, governance, Best Bits, etc. mailing lists that 1Net and the Sao Paulo meeting are controlled by ICANN and other dark forces committed to preserving the status quo and US domination and so global civil society must rally to resist these oppressors etc etc > > In our wanting to be a people centered information society (Geneva declaration), what counts is the result for the people, i.e. the way the hardware and software support brainware, i.e. an adequate law due to an adequate code. > > Let us consider the sense of the words we are confronted with: > > 1. An equal footing for all stakeholders engaged in the management and governance of any, global or not, resource of other people is an unacceptable intrusive tyrannical interference with their rights, dignity, privacy, intimacy (that is condemned by the Geneva declaration IRT to States) - unless each of these persons has freely demanded it for themselves. > > 2. Yet Charade’s claim sounds perfectly right. > > We are, therefore, in a double constraint situation. > > Where is the bug? It is in the wrong claim that ICANN would be a unique global resource. > > The reality is that: > > - the digital namespace is unlimited and the IETF to some minor technical extent and ICANN for political reasons have made it a scarcity. > > - the same limitation spirit, which was advisable for a proof of concept, has continued to prevail, polluting the Internet technological development and bogging down innovation in its initial uniform governance and opposing innovation. > > > The lack of innovation oriented technical governance has resulted in the observed lack of architectural evolution that the users of the world need. Snowden is not actually reporting NSA misbehavior; he is reporting the obsolescence of the 1983 internet when compared with the 2014 world which permitted it. ICANN as a unique global necessary resource has become a technically outdated bug that has to be corrected. This is not the sole architectonical update to consider, and so it should be carried out in a concerted manner, i.e.: > > 1. each multistakeholder, i.e. each person, entity, organization, government, etc. having to subsidiarily decide how to correct his/her/its "ICANN global unicity bug", must be informed of his/her/its existing and individually or cooperatively devisable options, and decide by his/her/its own on their merits and mutual best advantages. > > 2. the same validation and possible enhancement consistency process should be carried out and permanently continued in every area of the digisphere (i.e. the digital part of reality) in order to ensure the human right to a complete decent, efficient, and protected entire life. > > This will digitally extend the multi-globally fully interoperable human + bots diversity where every person is on an equal footing with every other person. > > NB. The US is not particularly implied in all this (except exercising entrepreneurship in that area without sufficiently imagining the consequences): it is only that the American language did not help the conceptual transition from a uniform to a diversified global space. This is embodied in the Internetting project (IEN 48) by the “loose sense” appropriately given by Vint Cerf to the word “local”. Transition was in the evolution of the sense to be innovatively applied to “local”. However, a “loose sense” is not something that developers, politicians, salespeople, and computers understand or agree upon easily. So instead to apply to trades, virtualities, other technologies, competitive alternatives, etc. “local” stayed uniquely geographically monopolistic. > > >> At 10:35 12/01/2014, William Drake wrote: >> Volunteering to try and help facilitate a process shouldnt require body armor. > > I am afraid that humans being humans, it is the rule everywhere. > > The reason why is, from experience, the inability of humans to understand each other in changing contexts, and moreover when people must understand each other over the specific improvement of the context. > > You have those who want to carry the change, those who want to protect their status, and those who are waiting in order to see what happens. It is very frustrating for the first ones to be delayed, opposed, and passed over by the second ones who benefit from their positions, and not to be supported by the third ones who feel that they do not know enough to decide who is right. > > I found, however, that you may avoid the weight of the body armor, enjoy the human show, and obtain what you want in trying to understand what really happens and use brainware (networked assisted cooperation) hacks. This is why I plead for software (organizational) and hardware (material) work that may help in demonstrating your point of view without having to resort to martyrdom. > > The IETF prefers “running code” to “kings, presidents, and voting” (you could also add “christs”). One can give a pretty scientifically acceptable explanation why and a successfully experienced “how to” guide, but this will be for another day. > > Cheers. > jfc *********************************************** William J. Drake International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, ICANN, www.ncuc.org william.drake(a)uzh.ch (direct), wjdrake(a)gmail.com (lists), www.williamdrake.org ***********************************************

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.....For a single Internet to remain, says Fadi
by Carlton Samuels Jan. 12, 2014

Jan. 12, 2014

"The world is seeking and growing ever more anxious to see an independent, globally-accountable ICANN where no one government, no one organization, no one individual has oversight or rights higher than the others,” Chehade says. “I believe this is fundamental to the spirit of the Internet as well. Equal footing for all stakeholders engaged in the management and governance of this global resource.” http://siliconangle.com/blog/2014/01/10/icanns-fadi-chehade-says-we-have-18… -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

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Weekly posting summary for at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten Jan. 10, 2014

Jan. 10, 2014

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Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Report from the BR meeting local organizing group - Dec 2013
by Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Jan. 9, 2014

Jan. 9, 2014

Dear José, I am following up on your question regarding the participation of the ALAC in the various working groups of 1NET and the Brazil Meeting committees. There was a call for participants in the following committees: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [I-coordination] Nominations to /1Net Steering committee & Brazil Meeting Organising commitees Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 14:01:11 +0400 From: Adiel Akplogan <adiel(a)afrinic.net> To: i-coordination(a)nro.net <i-coordination(a)nro.net> Dear all, In order to bring some clarity in to this let me remind us that each stakeholder group (Business (done), Civil Society, Technical community, Academia) is requested to appoint/nominate a total of 9 people: - 2 people for the Brazil meeting's preparation committee-1: Multistakeholder High-Level Committee *** This is the committee that will set the high-level political tone and objectives of the conference. Committee members will engage on a global level with stakeholders to encourage participation in the conference and maximize its chances of success - 2 people for the Brazil meeting's preparation Committee 3: Multistakeholder Executive Committee **** This committee owns the full responsibility of organizing the event, including: defining conference purpose/agenda, managing invitations, organizing input received by March 1 into a coherent set of proposals for the conferees to address, managing conference proceedings and process, and directing all communications activities pre-during-post conference. - 5 people to constitute the /1Net Steering committee Let me suggest December 15 as deadline to have the nominations from all the groups. Once you have your list, please forward it to me directly or share with the mailing lists. Please allow me to request that we, on this list respect what each group will come up with. It is for each interested group to organise themselves to select their reps and we must respect that. Thanks. - a. --- end of message --- The deadline date was pushed back because of the inability to form those committees early enough. Now the deadline for nominations to these committees is the end of this week, ie. 10 January 2014. The problem is that the make-up of those committees follows the UN classification system: (Business, Civil Society, Technical community, Academia). As you've seen from Adiel's message, the Business line-up was taken up by ICANN's Business Constituency & the International Chamber of Commerce and they made their selections swiftly. Technical Community selections was taken up by ISOC and there is a process by which one can send their candidature to ISOC for selection. Individuals interested in being suggested by the NomCom set up for this purpose are invited to read more about the process and the timeline here: http://www.internetsociety.org/sites/default/files/Call1netBR-ForPublicatio… The deadline for submitting expressions of interest is 10 January 2014. Any questions or requests for additional information can be sent to: information.itcg(a)gmail.com. Civil Society selection resulted in several self-nominations on the /1NET list as well as on the IGC Governance List and the associated wars when people objected to some people being selected. The NCSG being focussed mostly on Civil Society suggested some people for the Civil Society positions. But many others have stepped forward too. It seems that the criteria for nomination here is just to send an email to the /1net mailing list. For the Academia positions, there were names submitted from GiGaNet. Also - other Academic institutions are also fielding in candidates. This selection of candidates before selecting topics is quite messy, with hundreds of emails daily on the /1net mailing list. Archives on: http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-January/thread.html#start Some people are saying that the /1net mailing list has nearly become unusable due to the amount of trolls on it and the hundreds of messages a day, most of which are completely irrelevant. Today there was a call of SO/AC/SG Leaders with Fadi Chehadé where he provided us with the opportunity to ask questions. In his view, he hopes that the Cross Community Working Group (CCWG) in which we participate will be able to define ICANN's policy and input into the Brazil meeting. On the subject of our concerns with regards to lack of geographical diversity in the names put forward so far, he responded that Adiel Akplogan was going to look at this and search for a remedy. On the issue of the At-Large Community not fitting directly into one of the silos which were created for the Brazil conference, he pointed us to the CCWG. This really is the way to have good input from our community. I subsequently had a call with Theresa Swinehart and it really looks as though it would be very helpful for ICANN's input into the Brazil conference to originate in the CCWG - thus making use of the cross community tool we have without digging into silos. BTW -- ICANN is classed as "technical community". We already participate very well in the ICANN CCWG on Internet Governance. But this should not stop our community from also having candidates in the various organising committees. Quite the contrary, I think it would be an asset for people from our ALSes participating actively on some of those committees. As a result, may I suggest the following: to encourage any of our ALSes and their representatives who are interested in taking part in the Brazil meetings organising committees to use the methods I have described above and send their application independently. I realise this is very short notice and apologise for making this suggestion so late, but in some cases, this only needs to involve sending an email to the correct mailing list to postulate. I suggest that the ALAC and At-Large Community support their application by acting as a reference. And seeing that there is a real imbalance in geographical diversity, this should be an opportunity for our ALS representatives in developing countries and also in particular in our LACRALO region. In return for this support, it would be desirable that these ALSes let the At-Large Community of their process and volunteer to be able to speak to the ALAC during the monthly call to let our community know of the progress of the work. Of course, these ALS representatives would also be able to ask the At-Large Community for input. The ALS representatives would not "represent" the ALAC - they would act in a personal capacity, but they would be a privileged channel for the At-Large Community to speak to. My big concern today, looking at the numbers, is not if we are going to have people on any of the organising committees, but if any of our ALSes will be able to participate in the meeting in person. 500-550 people from non UN, non Government is a large amount of people - but how are they going to fund their flights & accommodation? Best Wishes, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond ALAC Chair On 24/12/2013 00:02, José Francisco Arce wrote: > Dear Olivier, all > > This is a quick question. Is At-large community thinking in participate? > Who, How, when? In whick working group? > I know Fatima Cambronero is maybe the person who is most involved. Maybe > you can find the way to involved At-large in aWG. > > Kind Regards > > Jose Arce.- > >> ---------- Mensaje reenviado ---------- >> De: "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca(a)cafonso.ca> >> Fecha: dic 21, 2013 1:37 PM >> Asunto: [NCSG-Discuss] Report from the BR meeting local organizing group > - Dec 2013 >> Para: <NCSG-DISCUSS(a)listserv.syr.edu> >> Cc: >> >> Hi people, >> >> This is my quick summary of yesterday's meeting of the local organizing >> group (LOG) for the BR meeting. This summary is basically oriented to >> civil society but may be useful to all stakeholders. Covers basically >> the structure of the committees and includes some other useful info. >> >> I do hope it answers several of the many questions we are receiving. >> >> fraternal regards >> >> --c.a. >> >> ================================ >> >> 1. Co-chairs of the BR Meeting >> >> This is a no-brainer: the BR Meeting will be chaired by Virgilio Almeida >> (current chair of CGI.br, and member of Brazil's Ministry of Science, >> Technology and Innovation), and Fadi Chehadé. >> >> 2. High Level Multistakeholder Committee >> >> The HLMC will be responsible for overseeing the political articulations >> and for encouraging the participation of the international community. >> >> It will be composed of government representatives of 12 countries >> (precise list still being established by the BR government) plus 12 >> non-govs, and two representatives of UN agencies to be chosen by the >> UNSG. The 12 non-govs include four of each non-gov stakeholder (civil >> society, academia/techies, private sector). All of the non-gov, non-UN >> stakeholders' names will be brought to the LOG by 1Net. So the HLC will >> be composed of 26 people. >> >> The HLMC will have four co-chairs, keeping the multistakeholder balance. >> One of the co-chairs will be Brazil's Minister of Communications Paulo >> Bernardo. >> >> So civil society needs to indicate to 1Net Steering Committee four >> high-level reps as soon as possible. >> >> 3. Executive Multistakeholder Committee >> >> The EMC will be responsible for organizing the event, including the >> discussion and implementation of the agenda, and the selection of the >> participants and the various stakeholders' proposals. The crucial part >> of the preparation process resides here, in close coordination with the >> Logistics Committee, so people selected for the EMC ought to make >> themselves readily available for this challenge. >> >> The LOG has already selected the eight Brazilian members of the EMC. >> There will be four co-chairs as well, and names already appointed are >> Demi Getschko (CEO of NIC.br) and Raúl Echeberría (to be confirmed, CEO >> of LACNIC). A representative of an international agency will be >> appointed as well (by the coordinating body of the UN agencies) to >> participate. >> >> Like the HLMC, non-gov, non-UN members of the EMC will be brought to the >> LOG by 1Net. >> >> For the EMC civil society needs to indicate to 1Net Steering Committee >> two names as soon as possible. >> >> 4. Logistics and Organizational Committee >> >> The LOC will be co-chaired by Hartmut Glaser, executive secretary of >> CGI.br with proven expertise in coordinating the organization of >> national and international events. Another co-chair will be indicated by >> 1Net. >> >> 5. Government Advisory Committee >> >> This is in the hands of the BR government who acts as a facilitator and >> coordinator. Two co-chairs will be indicated. This committee will be >> open to any government who wishes to act in an advisory capacity. >> >> 6. Funding >> >> NIC.br will cover about 50% of the meeting's overall costs. The balance >> will be share by international participants/sponsors. Contributions from >> ICANN and ISOC are expected. >> >> 7. Participation >> >> The meeting is to be held at Hotel Transamérica, in São Paulo, fairly >> close to NIC.br headquarters (see attached map). The basic distribution >> of participants is envisioned approximately as: >> >> 450 from govs >> 500-550 from non-gov, non-UN stakeholders >> 100 journalists >> 50 IGOs/UN reps >> >> Inviting participants, or receiving and approving participation >> requests, is one of the tasks of the EMC. >> >> 8. Expected outcomes as success indicators >> >> - Official launching of a review process of the global IG > frameworks/models; >> - Development of a set of universally acceptable core of principles for >> global IG; >> >> - Tentative draft of a global IG model. >> >> My personal comment: these ambitious outcomes of course involve a lot of >> preparatory process work, especially by the Executive Committee. This is >> why we need to conclude the nominations asap in order to start the real >> work towards the meeting. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… > -- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html

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Fwd: Season Greetings and South School on Internet Governance
by Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Jan. 8, 2014

Jan. 8, 2014

Dear all, Adrian kindly let me know of this opportunity for *all* people in At-Large, not only the LACRALO region. The air ticket is not covered but all other expenses are. Applications close on 17th January. Kind regards, Olivier -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Season Greetings and South School on Internet Governance Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:55:48 -0200 From: Adrian Carballo <ainfodata(a)gmail.com> To: Olivier Crépin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com> CC: Adrian Carballo <ainfodata(a)gmail.com> Dear Olivier, We hope you are doing well and nice to have you around in Buenos Aires. As we talked in Buenos Aires, the South School on Internet Governance is now receiving applications for fellowship. This is the sixth SSIG and for the first time in the Caribbean, Trinidad and Tobago 28 April to 02 May. Fundación Incluirme, one of Lac Ralo´s ALS is the one organizing and promoting the SSIG 2014. Interested must visit: www.gobernanzainternet.org <http://www.gobernanzainternet.org> And fill the online form (in English and Spanish). If you can help us spread the call for applications among ALAC network that will be great, all student receive fellowship that covers all expenses, without air ticket. Best wishes for Christmas and New year and all the best. Adrián Carballo Fundación Incluirme

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Weekly posting summary for at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten Jan. 3, 2014

Jan. 3, 2014

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Weekly posting summary for at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten Dec. 27, 2013

Dec. 27, 2013

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Happy new year
by Tijani BENJEMAA Dec. 23, 2013

Dec. 23, 2013

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I: Confidentiality
by Roberto Gaetano Dec. 20, 2013

Dec. 20, 2013

Sorry, sent to the wrong list. R. Da: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com] Inviato: martedì 17 dicembre 2013 12:20 A: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond (ocl(a)gih.com) Cc: 'ICANN At-Large Staff'; 'ALAC Working List' Oggetto: Confidentiality I was trying unsuccessfully to ask for the floor after the comments from Tijani and Alan, maybe my line was muted, then I had to go back to my meeting, where I am right now. I would like to go on record saying that: · I share completely what Tijani has said as a matter of fact we had discussed and agreed in Buenos Aires our common position. The wider the number of people that have access to a piece of information, the higher the risk that we have leaking data, and from that on the step to the information being public is very small. · BCEC has taken the issue of confidentiality very seriously, I have consulted with the NomCom Chair and with ICANN General Counsel and then decided to require the non-disclosure to be signed by all, before giving access to confidential material. · If the principle of access to the current Board member evaluation by the voters, although being a theoretically valid question, brings as a corollary the question on why should the voters also not have access to the reference letters for all candidates. You see that, step by step, we can undermine completely the confidentiality, and therefore the trust in the process. · The ALAC can decide to open up to a larger audience but I would strongly recommend, if you do so, to at least require a non-disclosure similar to the one that BCEC members have signed. I would also encourage you to look for advice by General Counsel. · The hypothesis of having BCEC members to informally share information with the regional voters is in open violation of the confidentiality agreement signed by BCEC members. Thanks, Roberto

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Weekly posting summary for at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten Dec. 20, 2013

Dec. 20, 2013

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