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Re: [At-Large] [governance] Can anyone surf to peking university?
by Joe Baptista June 16, 2009

June 16, 2009

Karl - I have no idea what your going on about - as usual. In fact the site you are a looking at is the English default site for Peking University. The site seen at http://xn--1lq90ic7fzpc.xn--fiqs8s/ is the same as http://www.pku.edu.cn/ - the only difference is that one site is available via an IANA TLD (.cn) and the other is available via a Chinese National TLD (.xn--fiqs8s). In fact in Chinese the proper URL for this is http://北京大学.中国/ <http://xn--1lq90ic7fzpc.xn--fiqs8s/> and as you can see uses Chinese characters. This is not a surprise to ICANN nor any one else who has been paying attention to China. The Chinese National TLDs have existed since early 2005 - and were tested I think way back in 2003. The only point I was making is that 300 millions people in China can see the Chinese TLD system - the rest of the world under ICANN can't. I don't even thing the TLDA can see them. cheers joe baptista On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Karl E. Peters <kpeters(a)tldainc.org> wrote: > Does the site you can see through your posted link look substantially > different than this one (http://en.pku.edu.cn/ ) that came up through > ASK.COM? If they are different, there is a story here. Otherwise, the > ramification is the obvious for ICANN, it is ever more marginalized. Of > course, that will come as a surprise only to ICANN. The rest of the > world can see the writing on the wall... > > Karl E. Peters > 620 Sea Island Road, #123 > St. Simons Island, GA 31522 USA > > Tel.: (912) 638-1638 > > "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep in order to gain what he > cannot lose." -Jim Elliot > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [governance] Can anyone surf to peking university? > > From: Joe Baptista <baptista(a)publicroot.org> > > Date: Mon, June 15, 2009 11:53 am > > To: governance(a)lists.cpsr.org, At-Large Worldwide > > <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > This is the official URL for Peking University - it's in IDN > > http://xn--1lq90ic7fzpc.xn--fiqs8s/ > > how many people here can surf to that URL? I can see it. but any one on > > the ICANN root can't. Chinese domains can only be seen in china or to > those > > outside china who see the chinese root system. > > cheers > > joe baptista > > p.s. where is icann in this equation? > > -- > > Joe Baptista > > www.publicroot.org > > PublicRoot Consortium > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, > Representative & > > Accountable to the Internet community @large. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) > > Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 > > Personal: www.joebaptista.wordpress.com > <hr>____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance(a)lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > > governance-unsubscribe(a)lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > -- Joe Baptista www.publicroot.org PublicRoot Consortium ---------------------------------------------------------------- The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative & Accountable to the Internet community @large. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 Personal: www.joebaptista.wordpress.com

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Can anyone surf to peking university?
by Joe Baptista June 15, 2009

June 15, 2009

This is the official URL for Peking University - it's in IDN http://xn--1lq90ic7fzpc.xn--fiqs8s/ how many people here can surf to that URL? I can see it. but any one on the ICANN root can't. Chinese domains can only be seen in china or to those outside china who see the chinese root system. cheers joe baptista p.s. where is icann in this equation? -- Joe Baptista www.publicroot.org PublicRoot Consortium ---------------------------------------------------------------- The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative & Accountable to the Internet community @large. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 Personal: www.joebaptista.wordpress.com

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Re: [At-Large] [GTLD-WG] IRT working group report
by Alan Greenberg June 15, 2009

June 15, 2009

At 31/05/2009 09:55 PM, Hong Xue wrote: >At 31/05/2009 02:18 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote: > > So advice on the IRT report should not just be a blast against the > > process, but preferably a substantive critique of the proposals with > > alternatives if possible. > >I fully agree. We should address substantive critique and provide more >balanced and reasonable alternatives, if possible, from the >prospective of users. My last post was purely on process, but I do have something to add more on substance. I have read and heard a few things that imply "if it is good for the IP community, it is bad for users". This may be correct with respect to registrants and privacy. I am not an expert in these matters, but it seems to me that from the point of view of not confronting users with domain names that are easily confusingly similar to others, the needs of real end-users and IP holders may well be quite complementary. Alan

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Update on the Search and Appointment of a New President and CEO of ICANN
by Cheryl Langdon-Orr June 15, 2009

June 15, 2009

Just tweeted so some of you will have seen my => "ALAC & At-Large look forward to the introduction of the lead candidate for CEO to other members of the ICANN community in Sydney" in reply to @icann_en regarding this recent announcement => http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-14jun09-en.htm I assume the penultimate paragraph of this announcement is a reply to my letter to the Board regarding internal candidates and the search for CEO, perhaps I'll get formal confirmation or follow up on that in Sydney as well... -- Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO)

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Weekly posting summary for alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten June 12, 2009

June 12, 2009

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Appeals Court reverses CFIT vs Verisign decision
by Derek Smythe June 7, 2009

June 7, 2009

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2009/06/05/07-16151.pdf Also http://www.thedomains.com/2009/06/05/appeals-court-reverses-allows-suit-aga…

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Weekly posting summary for alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten June 5, 2009

June 5, 2009

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Re: [At-Large] [GTLD-WG] IRT working group report
by Alan Greenberg June 3, 2009

June 3, 2009

Based on the case that Roberto made reference to, the (or an) origin that gives you good protection is India. Alan At 02/06/2009 06:34 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote: >From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm> >Date: Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:38 AM >Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] IRT Report Draft Now Available >Goes to show how "navel gazing" can come from all types of folks! > >For I cannot even begin to understand how creating a second-class, separate >and unequal protection for marks is good public policy! > >Actually, I lie......I can easily understand.......I will give my right arm >its bound up somewhat with place of origin....!! > >CAS

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Re: [At-Large] [GTLD-WG] IRT working group report
by Alan Greenberg June 1, 2009

June 1, 2009

At 31/05/2009 11:14 PM, Hong Xue wrote: > > This may be correct with respect to registrants and privacy. I am not an > > expert in these matters, but it seems to me that from the point of view of > > not confronting users with domain names that are easily confusingly similar > > to others, the needs of real end-users and IP holders may well be quite > > complementary. > >Neither IP extremism nor anti-IP extremism is in the interests of >users. Theoretically trademark protection is for users first and >competition second. Trademark counterfeiting is subject to criminal >punishment for it is deceptive to the public as well as infringes the >private right of the trademark owner. So the issue is reasonableness. > >I'm not sure if Alan is referring to "domain name law" (perhaps >existing in some jurisdictions, Canada? ). If we are the same page and >discussing confusing similarity in the ambit of trademark law, then I >doubt the reasonableness of precluding an applied TLD string for it is >doomed "easily confusing" to users--it's not been used (let alone in >commerce). Even if such precluding could exist, it should be limited >to a small scope and unfortunately there is no globally recognized >well-know mark list to define that scope. > >Hong I started out saying I wasn't an expert (which you are! ;-) ), and I certainly was not commenting on the specifics of the IRT recommendations. I was just reminding people that we should look at the merits and not react to who has written the proposal (in line with the theory of your second sentence). Alan

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Weekly posting summary for alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten May 29, 2009

May 29, 2009

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