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More Wikipedia/privacy problems: Mayor of Florence Sues Wikipedia
by Jeffrey A. Williams March 2, 2008

March 2, 2008

All, Well Wikipedia back again in the news for some of it indiscretion or privacy/personal security violating practices... Gotta watch out with these Italian women they are well known for their bad tempers... Shame, Shame Wikipedia! >:( I had thought that Wikipedia was going to mend it's errant ways when it announced a few months back that is was in the process of doing so. Seems that isn't the case. I *thought* that Wikipedia was *Supposed* to be an online encyclopedia not a gossip, slander, and defamation dis-service! Guess I though wrong... At least it appears that I did... Privately held companies information is suppose to be PRIVATE! Others should respect that. Wikipedia evidently doesn't... Wikipedia must have staff members hanging out at Florence womens hair solons were all the GOOD gossip originates, eh? I have always made a point to take one of my girls to the local upscale hair solons every once and a while and pretend I am reading a womans magazine while all the time intentently listening to all the gossip. Sure the hair doo is high cost, but the info I get there is priceless! Of course one has to sift the seed from the chaff, as it were... "Florence Mayor Leonardo Domenici and one of the city assessors http://www.corriere.it/cronache/08_febbraio_29/domenici_sindaco_firenze_que… are suing (http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corriere.it%2Fcronache%2… Google translation) Wikipedia on the basis of a (possible) defamation regarding the handling of public parkings assignation to a private company, "Florence Parking". The apparent problem is that both of their wives are members of the board of directors of "Florence Parking", and Wikipedia is reporting it." Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Wikileaks: Judge Reverses His Order Disabling Web Site
by Derek Smythe March 2, 2008

March 2, 2008

Hi All http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/01/us/01wiki.html?ref=us "In reversing himself at a hearing here on Friday, Judge White acknowledged that the bank’s request posed serious First Amendment questions and might constitute unjustified prior restraint. He also appeared visibly frustrated that technology might have outrun the law and that, as a result, the court might not be able to rein in information once it had been disclosed online. ... ... William J. Briggs II, a lawyer representing the bank, said the decision “abdicated federal judicial authority to the Internet.”" The recent court ruling regarding Wikileaks should be the grounds of a case study since it does have far reaching implications. Regards Derek

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March 1, 2008

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Guide to Domain Names in Generic Top-Level Domains
by At-Large Staff March 1, 2008

March 1, 2008

Dear Community: As some of you know, some time ago a draft Guide to Domain Names was prepared by an ICANN consultant with a view to having it published for the use of the individual Internet community worldwide. During the At-Large community meetings in New Delhi, it was decided that the work of preparing the guide for publication should be concluded by allowing members of the community to provide any comments, proposed edits, or thoughts for inclusion in the published text not later than 31 March 2008. I have attached the current draft of the text for you to review. We will have translated editions prepared of the final edition - unfortunately the cost of translating something that may (depending upon how many comments and the nature of the comments) change a great deal makes translating the text now difficult. POINTS TO CONSIDER: 1) This is the raw text of the guide. The version to be published will be prepared in a desktop publishing environment to make it attractive and visually appealing. Of course, until the basic text is completed, it is hard to decide precisely how to format the guide in a DTP application - that's why we are having it done 2) It has been suggested that some graphics would be useful. This of course is entirely sensible. If you have ideas for what these should be, please let us know. You do not have to be very specific - something like the following would work: "Put in a pie chart showing the total number of registered domains in all gTLDs, broken down by gTLD" 3) Is there something which could be included that would be specific for your region of the world? Let us know - there's no problem with producing regionally-specific versions of the guide, if you think that would be more useful. 4) Revision tracking is turned on, so if you want to edit the text directly and send that to us, feel free. Equally, you can just send us narrative suggestions - please remember though that we need enough specificity to be able to understand what to change. If your comment is extremely general, that will make it difficult to know what we should change. If we are unsure of what you mean, we will reply and ask you for more details. -- Regards, ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)alac.icann.org

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Posting Statistics for At-Large Worldwide List
by Nick Ashton-Hart Feb. 29, 2008

Feb. 29, 2008

Dear All: Thanks very much to Thomas Narten for the following statistics related to posting on this list. These are posted at the request of the Chair of ALAC: All of January and February to script run at: Fri Feb 29 11:44:46 EST 2008 Messages | Bytes | Who --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 23.31% | 114 | 33.90% | 562772 | jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com 6.34% | 31 | 5.55% | 92218 | nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org 6.34% | 31 | 4.13% | 68539 | iza(a)anr.org 5.93% | 29 | 4.22% | 70070 | dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com 6.34% | 31 | 3.46% | 57516 | evan(a)telly.org 3.48% | 17 | 5.97% | 99148 | dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca 3.27% | 16 | 4.13% | 68642 | kieren.mccarthy(a)icann.org 2.45% | 12 | 2.93% | 48640 | jefsey(a)jefsey.com 3.07% | 15 | 2.31% | 38322 | franck.martin(a)gmail.com 2.86% | 14 | 2.51% | 41714 | wendy(a)seltzer.com 2.45% | 12 | 2.26% | 37458 | hongxueipr(a)gmail.com 2.25% | 11 | 2.42% | 40180 | cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au 2.25% | 11 | 2.38% | 39500 | ajp(a)glocom.ac.jp 1.84% | 9 | 1.71% | 28418 | jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com 2.66% | 13 | 0.83% | 13806 | johnl(a)iecc.com 1.84% | 9 | 1.58% | 26287 | roberto(a)icann.org 1.64% | 8 | 1.70% | 28244 | carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com 2.25% | 11 | 0.78% | 12902 | bfausett(a)internet.law.pro 1.64% | 8 | 1.22% | 20209 | vb(a)bertola.eu 1.23% | 6 | 1.60% | 26617 | vanda(a)uol.com.br 1.43% | 7 | 1.20% | 19874 | roessler(a)does-not-exist.org 1.43% | 7 | 1.04% | 17283 | annette.muehlberg(a)web.de 1.02% | 5 | 1.05% | 17412 | derek(a)aa419.org 0.61% | 3 | 1.46% | 24164 | andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com 0.61% | 3 | 1.43% | 23755 | veni(a)veni.com 1.23% | 6 | 0.58% | 9641 | alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca 1.02% | 5 | 0.75% | 12435 | lists(a)privaterra.info 1.02% | 5 | 0.66% | 10964 | narten(a)us.ibm.com 1.02% | 5 | 0.60% | 9901 | icann-list(a)sorehands.com 0.82% | 4 | 0.71% | 11765 | sebastien.bachollet(a)isoc.fr 0.82% | 4 | 0.62% | 10238 | shahshah(a)irnic.ir 0.82% | 4 | 0.50% | 8254 | mom(a)netmom.com 0.82% | 4 | 0.43% | 7145 | veronicac(a)diplomacy.edu 0.61% | 3 | 0.62% | 10325 | brenbe(a)consumer.org 0.41% | 2 | 0.78% | 12882 | admin(a)isoc.sd 0.41% | 2 | 0.36% | 5954 | ross(a)tucows.com 0.20% | 1 | 0.28% | 4669 | danield(a)w3.org 0.20% | 1 | 0.26% | 4247 | parminder(a)itforchange.net 0.20% | 1 | 0.21% | 3551 | guru(a)itforchange.net 0.20% | 1 | 0.15% | 2474 | email(a)hakik.org 0.20% | 1 | 0.15% | 2408 | dmiloshevic(a)afilias.info 0.20% | 1 | 0.12% | 2066 | shearman(a)victoria.tc.ca 0.20% | 1 | 0.11% | 1767 | postmaster(a)icann.org 0.20% | 1 | 0.09% | 1499 | info(a)internautabrasil.org 0.20% | 1 | 0.08% | 1393 | eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org 0.20% | 1 | 0.08% | 1327 | mailer-daemon(a)icann.org 0.20% | 1 | 0.05% | 880 | bashar(a)kuwaitnet.net 0.20% | 1 | 0.05% | 859 | mmaranda(a)afcn.org --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 100.00% | 489 |100.00% | 1660334 | Total Here is for just the last week: script run at: Fri Feb 29 11:51:28 EST 2008 Messages | Bytes | Who --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 40.37% | 44 | 50.31% | 170206 | jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com 9.17% | 10 | 7.98% | 27001 | franck.martin(a)gmail.com 4.59% | 5 | 7.31% | 24734 | jefsey(a)jefsey.com 6.42% | 7 | 3.71% | 12566 | dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com 2.75% | 3 | 4.10% | 13880 | cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au 3.67% | 4 | 2.77% | 9359 | icann-list(a)sorehands.com 2.75% | 3 | 3.52% | 11924 | derek(a)aa419.org 2.75% | 3 | 3.41% | 11526 | jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com 4.59% | 5 | 1.43% | 4833 | evan(a)telly.org 3.67% | 4 | 1.58% | 5358 | roberto(a)icann.org 3.67% | 4 | 1.12% | 3791 | johnl(a)iecc.com 1.83% | 2 | 2.26% | 7646 | vanda(a)uol.com.br 1.83% | 2 | 1.85% | 6268 | iza(a)anr.org 1.83% | 2 | 1.61% | 5456 | nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org 1.83% | 2 | 1.47% | 4987 | mom(a)netmom.com 1.83% | 2 | 1.32% | 4462 | lists(a)privaterra.info 1.83% | 2 | 0.70% | 2384 | narten(a)us.ibm.com 0.92% | 1 | 1.03% | 3491 | sebastien.bachollet(a)isoc.fr 0.92% | 1 | 0.97% | 3266 | hongxueipr(a)gmail.com 0.92% | 1 | 0.87% | 2931 | wendy(a)seltzer.com 0.92% | 1 | 0.46% | 1540 | annette.muehlberg(a)web.de 0.92% | 1 | 0.21% | 724 | shahshah(a)irnic.ir --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 100.00% | 109 |100.00% | 338333 | Total -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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GNSO Improvements Proposals Open for Public Comment
by Nick Ashton-Hart Feb. 29, 2008

Feb. 29, 2008

Please note that the GNSO Improvements Report 2008 is open for public comments from 25 February 2008 to 25 March 2008 http://www.icann.org/public_comment/#gnso-improvements-report-2008 GNSO Improvements Report 2008 Explanation: On February 15, 2008, ICANN's Board acknowledged receipt of the "GNSO Improvements Report" and indicated that it would like to receive final public comments on the Report to enable it to consider and implement the Report's recommendations as soon as possible. The Board has directed ICANN staff to open a public comment forum on the Report for 30 days, draft a detailed implementation plan in consultation with the GNSO, begin implementation of the non-contentious recommendations, and return to the Board and community for further consideration of the implementation plan. A copy of the Board's resolution regarding this matter can be found here. http://www.icann.org/minutes/resolutions-15feb08.htm A COUPLE OF POINTS TO CONSIDER FOR AT-LARGE MEMBERS: * Do you think that the At-Large community should be a part of the GNSO as a constituency in its own right? You can read more about this in the proposals on page 41. * One of the recommendations is that greater coordination between the GNSO and other parts of ICANN should be implemented - this includes At-Large - read more about it on pages 47 - 48 HOW TO GET THE REPORT: You can read the full report here [PDF, 197K] http://www.icann.org/topics/gnso-improvements/gnso-improvements-report-03feb 08.pdf and see a web page with more information here. http://www.icann.org/topics/gnso-improvements/ The ICANN Board Governance Committee's "GNSO Review Working Group" http://www.icann.org/topics/gnso-improvements/ developed the Report's http://www.icann.org/topics/gnso-improvements/gnso-improvements-report-03feb 08.pdf set of recommendations to improve the effectiveness of the GNSO, including its policy activities, structure, operations and communications. The Report reflects the Working Group's examination of many aspects of the GNSO's functioning, including the use of working groups and the overall policy development process (PDP), and the structure of the GNSO Council and its constituencies. The Board Governance Committee determined that the GNSO Improvements working group had fulfilled its charter and forwarded the report to the Board for consideration." Is it clear to you what this comment period covers? Do you have all the information you need to respond? The staff member responsible is Denise Michel - if you have questions, she can be reached at denise.michel(a)icann.org. Please submit comments to: gnso-improvements-report-2008(a)icann.org Archives: http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-improvements-report-2008/ Please take the time to comment. Thank you. Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat - ICANN gnso.secretariat[at]gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Announcement: ICANN Makes Presentation to JPA Midterm Review Public Meeting
by Nick Ashton-Hart Feb. 29, 2008

Feb. 29, 2008

http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-28feb08.htm ICANN Makes Presentation to Midterm Review Public Meeting Now is the time to start planning transition 28 February 2008 WASHINGTON, DC: The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers made its presentation on the Midterm Review of the Joint Project Agreement (JPA) between itself and the United States Department of Commerce at a public meeting held today in Washington, DC. "I think that after almost 10 years of experience of this model the question before us is very stark: Are we going to complete the White Papers vision of private sector management of the Internets system of unique identifiers? I believe the overwhelming view from virtually all participants is that transition is the goal and the interest is in settling how we get there," ICANN Chair Peter Dengate Thrush said. Todays public meeting was held to discuss the written submissions that the National Telecommunications and Information Administration had received during its recently concluded public comment period on the JPA between the U.S. Department of Commerce and ICANN. The JPA was signed in September 2006, is due to conclude in September 2009 and was scheduled for a Midterm Review at this point. In his presentation the Chairman said he would ask the Presidents Strategy Committee to outline a plan for developing this transition framework. They will meet in April and make a first presentation involving the community, starting a process for further engagement with the community at the ICANN meeting in Paris in June. The process will be guided by the input ICANN has received so far from its own consultations, and the analysis of the comments surveyed in this Review. "The U.S. government has been and remains a staunch advocate for an Internet that is based on values of freedom, enterprise and crucially coordination not control. Now, there are final steps to be taken to make this a reality and to celebrate an enlightened U.S. policy under two administrations to transition to private sector management of the domain name system. "We all now need to work together over the 18 months remaining in the JPA to finalize the model for the long term," Dengate Thrush said. The complete statement to the public meeting is available on the ICANN website at http://www.icann.org/jpa/presentation-to-jpa-midterm-review-publi c-meeting-28feb08.pdf [PDF, 201K]. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Office Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 Office Fax: +41 (22) 594 8544 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 5468 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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ICANN Opens Comment Period on Proposed Add Grace Period Modifications for NeuStar and Afilias
by Nick Ashton-Hart Feb. 29, 2008

Feb. 29, 2008

http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-27feb08.htm ICANN Opens Comment Period on Proposed Add Grace Period Modifications for NeuStar and Afilias 27 February 2008 ICANN is today opening public comment periods on requests submitted by NeuStar, the .BIZ registry, and Afilias, the .INFO registry, to modify terms regarding the add grace period (AGP) in their respective registry agreements. On 5 February 2008, NeuStar and Afilias submitted separate but similar requests through the Registry Services Evaluation Process to modify the AGP in their respective TLDs in order “to address the excessive delete problem” (i.e. domain tasting) in .BIZ and .INFO. Currently there are no limitations on the number of deletions that a registrar can process and receive a refund during the five-day AGP. The proposed service would limit the number of AGP deletions where a registrar could receive a full registration fee credit each month: either 50 per month or 10% of that registrar’s net new monthly domain name registrations, whichever is greater. A registrar would be permitted to delete as many names as it wished during the five-day AGP, receiving credit throughout the month. However, at the end of the .BIZ or .INFO normal monthly billing cycle the Registrar’s account would be debited for the full value of the domain name registrations that exceeded the month’s set threshold. As provided for by existing consensus policy (http://www.icann.org/registries/rsep/rsep.html) ICANN has undertaken a preliminary determination to determine whether the proposed modifications might raise significant security or stability, or competition issues. ICANN's determination is that the proposed modifications by NeuStar and Afilias do not raise such issues. The next step in evaluation is that (because implementation of the proposals would require changes to the .BIZ and .INFO Registry Agreements) ICANN will post the proposed amendments, solicit public comment and refer the proposals to the ICANN Board for consideration. A copy of the proposed NeuStar amendment is available here [PDF, 25K], and a copy of the proposed Afilias amendment is available here [PDF, 25K]. Both amendments provide for changes to Appendix 7, Section 3.1.1. Comments on the NeuStar amendment submitted to neustar-agp-proposal(a)icann.org will be considered until 23:59 UTC 28 March 2008 and may be viewed at http://forum.icann.org/lists/neustar-agp-proposal/. Comments on the Afilias amendment submitted to afilias-agp-proposal(a)icann.org will be considered until 23:59 UTC 28 March 2008 and may be viewed at http://forum.icann.org/lists/afilias-agp-proposal/. Please keep in mind that these are separate proposals with separate public comment forums. All documentation regarding the NeuStar proposal is available at http://www.icann.org/registries/rsep/submitted_app.html#2008001, while documentation on the Afilias proposal is available at http://www.icann.org/registries/rsep/submitted_app.html#2008002 -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Office Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 Office Fax: +41 (22) 594 8544 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 5468 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [At-Large] EU Views Net Censorship As a "Trade Barrier"
by Jeffrey A. Williams Feb. 29, 2008

Feb. 29, 2008

Parminder and all my friends, Information has always been, to one degree or another, a tradable commodity and will likely remain so. Admittedly some information has little or no monitory value or any other sort of value to some and yet that same information has allot of monitory value to others. I personally freely admit that some specific information should not be traded as if it were a commodity and therefore publicly avaliable information. So essentialy we agree in a very broad sense. I don't praticularly agree with the EU specific position, but also I do not agree that all information is or should be free or at no cost. Opressive net censorship, a very ugly thing indeed, usually but not always relates to Essential information that is in the public good, should not be Censored in any way. Yet personal information or trade secrets must remain protected. The latter is not censorship, but a matter of personal or organizational safety and security. Parminder wrote: > > All my friends, > > > > Seems one of our members concerns seems to be resonating > > more broadly in the EU. CENSORSHIP! ICANN and the > > ALAC in particular should take specific note... > > > > http://www.eff.org/support Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes > > "The European Parliament just passed a proposal to > > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080227-eu-may-begin-treating-net- > > censorship-as-a-trade-barrier.html > > treat internet censorship as a trade barrier, in particular the 'Great > > Firewall of China.' If passed by the European Council, the issue > > would be raised in trade negotiations and could lead to economic > > sanctions and trade restrictions for those countries unwilling to > > remove oppressive Net censorship. > > Two main problems with it... > > (1) It renders information as a tradable commodity. Such commoditization and > inherent commercialization of information is a very dangerous direction to > lend support to. We may stand to lose much more than we can ever gain. > > (2) All trade laws admit of legitimate exceptions that countries may make > depending on the level of maturity/ development of their economies/ specific > sectors. This putting 'information' in a global trade law context will make > such (legitimate) exceptions applicable to free flow of information as well. > Not something we want, right. > > Therefore, I think free flow of information is a political issue and should > be dealt as one, and not an economic issue. This effort to use economic > solutions to political issues is more dangerous to economically weaker > countries/ societies and therefore not easily acceptable to them, even if > most often these societies are the ones most oppressed by political controls > on information flows. > > Parminder > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge- > > lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey A. Williams > > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:07 PM > > To: ALAC > > Subject: [At-Large] EU Views Net Censorship As a "Trade Barrier" > > > > All my friends, > > > > Seems one of our members concerns seems to be resonating > > more broadly in the EU. CENSORSHIP! ICANN and the > > ALAC in particular should take specific note... > > > > http://www.eff.org/support Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes > > "The European Parliament just passed a proposal to > > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080227-eu-may-begin-treating-net- > > censorship-as-a-trade-barrier.html > > treat internet censorship as a trade barrier, in particular the 'Great > > Firewall of China.' If passed by the European Council, the issue > > would be raised in trade negotiations and could lead to economic > > sanctions and trade restrictions for those countries unwilling to > > remove oppressive Net censorship. > > > > Regards, > > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Former FBI Agent Calls for a Second Internet
by Jeffrey A. Williams Feb. 29, 2008

Feb. 29, 2008

All my friends, Unfortunately I happen to partly agree with Mr. Dempsey! I also believe that given escalating cyber crime and errant business behavior in some central sectors of the Internet as it is today, much of the cyber crime could have been avoided. But alas and sadly, either the Internet gets cleaned up, or a more secure Internet will be necessary and be created. The legacy Internet was and to a great degree is too much based on trust and not trust but verify, and many users as well as other stakeholders do not know how to do the verifying and whom can verify what accurately and honestly. ICANN's registries and registrars as well as the IETF, ITU, internet software and hardware vendors bare allot if not most of the responsibility for Mr. Dempsey's declaration. See: http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=593&doc_id=147027& Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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