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Is this thing on?
by Wendy Seltzer March 26, 2007

March 26, 2007

Trying the conference line as per <https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?first_session> and hearing that I'm the only one there (though the operator says it was reserved to begin an hour ago) No one on IRC either. IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net#icann-alac --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/

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IRC channel
by Wendy Seltzer March 26, 2007

March 26, 2007

If you IRC, join irc.freenode.net #icann-alac during ALAC meetings. --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org phone: 718.780.7961 // fax: 718.780.0394 // cell: 914.374.0613 Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/

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Keeping the Core Neutral
by Vittorio Bertola March 26, 2007

March 26, 2007

All, this doc by Avri Doria and Mike Palage deals with the involvement of governments in new TLD strings. Even if the GAC position appears to have already changed, we might want to prepare something similar or support it altogether, if we like. Ciao, -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------

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Signing Ceremony - European and African MoUs at Lisbon
by Nick Ashton-Hart March 26, 2007

March 26, 2007

Dear European and African ALS representatives: The signing ceremony for the two regions, as well as a recognition of the conclusion of the Asia Pacific region's MoU, will be held at approximately 1230 on Thursday as part of the main Public Forum of the ICANN Lisbon meeting. More details will be posted on the regional Wikis and also on the main ICANN meeting website at www.icann.org/meetings/lisbon. Suffice to say that the signing will include a formal ceremony, webcast and scribed live, interpreted into French, Arabic, Spanish and Portuguese, which will be also be recorded and available afterwards. The ALS representatives who are signing the MoU will be invited onstage to sign, their name and ALS name announced, shake hands with Paul and Vint, and photos made available afterwards of each ALS rep as well as the regional group. Those ALS representatives not present to sign in Lisbon will be provided a mechanism to adhere to the MoU without a physical signature. African representatives are electing their regional officers -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Signing Ceremony - European and African MoUs at Lisbon
by Nick Ashton-Hart March 26, 2007

March 26, 2007

Dear European and African ALS representatives: The signing ceremony for the two regions, as well as a recognition of the conclusion of the Asia Pacific region's MoU, will be held at approximately 1230 on Thursday as part of the main Public Forum of the ICANN Lisbon meeting. More details will be posted on the regional Wikis and also on the main ICANN meeting website at www.icann.org/meetings/lisbon. Suffice to say that the signing will include a formal ceremony, webcast and scribed live, interpreted into French, Arabic, Spanish and Portuguese, which will be also be recorded and available afterwards. The ALS representatives who are signing the MoU will be invited onstage to sign, their name and ALS name announced, shake hands with Paul and Vint, and photos made available afterwards of each ALS rep as well as the regional group. Those ALS representatives not present to sign in Lisbon will be provided a mechanism to adhere to the MoU without a physical signature. African representatives are electing their regional officers on Tuesday; Asia -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [At-Large] Message from dot mobi
by Nick Ashton-Hart March 25, 2007

March 25, 2007

It may be useful to note that this was discussed by the ALAC at the time Vittorio was voted in as the Board Liaison and it was decided that there was no impediment to his remaining as liaison as a consequence of not being a member of the ALAC, provided that the funding existed to allow him to travel to F2F board meetings which would otherwise be funded to a member of ALAC. On 25/03/07, Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> wrote: > > I think this would be a good point of time to consider whether that > representative needs to be an ALAC member at all. Seeing the > traffic around forming a EURALO, you won't be on the committee any > more soon, so my sense would be that it might be good to keep John L > there, but that you should withdraw from your position, and be > replaced by somebody else. > > Cheers, > -- > Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> > > > > > > > On 2007-03-25 16:09:04 +0100, Vittorio Bertola wrote: > > From: Vittorio Bertola <vb(a)bertola.eu> > > To: Interim ALAC <alac(a)icann.org> > > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:09:04 +0100 > > Subject: [At-Large] Message from dot mobi > > List-Id: At-Large Worldwide Community > > <alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org.atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > X-Spam-Level: > > X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.1.5 > > > > All, > > > > as you know, we appoint two representatives to the dot mobi policy board > - > > currently being I and John Levine. As John resigned from the ALAC, there > > was some discussion on whether the appointment needs to be revised; both > > dot mobi (upon verifying their Bylaws) and John agree that it would be > > possible and good if he continued to serve at least up to the end of his > > present term. So they asked me to transmit the attached message - > > basically, they are asking whether the ALAC has any objection to John > > continuing to serve even while not being an ALAC member any more. Does > > anyone have any objection? > > > > Ciao, > > -- > > vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- > > --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <-------- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ALAC mailing list > > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > www.alac.icann.org > > www.icannalac.org > > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > www.alac.icann.org > www.icannalac.org > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Message from dot mobi
by Vittorio Bertola March 25, 2007

March 25, 2007

All, as you know, we appoint two representatives to the dot mobi policy board - currently being I and John Levine. As John resigned from the ALAC, there was some discussion on whether the appointment needs to be revised; both dot mobi (upon verifying their Bylaws) and John agree that it would be possible and good if he continued to serve at least up to the end of his present term. So they asked me to transmit the attached message - basically, they are asking whether the ALAC has any objection to John continuing to serve even while not being an ALAC member any more. Does anyone have any objection? Ciao, -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------

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Re: [At-Large] [ALAC-Internal] Fwd: [gnso-idn-wg] New gTLD PDP - latest Draft Final Report online
by Hong Xue March 25, 2007

March 25, 2007

The GNSO IDN working group report is published on page: http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/ http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/idn-wg-fr-22mar07.htm Hong On 3/24/07, Siavash Shahshahani <shahshah(a)irnic.ir> wrote: > > Dear Hong, > Are you sure this document is new(March 16)? Is there a Word or pdf > version? > Why does it not appear on ICANN site? > Many thanks, > Siavash > > > the latest version of the New gTLD Draft Final Report (dated 16 March) > is > > now available online at: > > http://www.gnso.icann.org/drafts/pdp-dec05-draft-fr.htm. It does mention > > that "Some new generic top-level domains may be internationalised domain > > names (IDNs) subject to the approval of IDNs being available in the > root." > > IDN WG is going to take its contents into consideration when forming IDN > > policy. > > > > Hong > > _______________________________________________ > > ALAC-Internal mailing list > > ALAC-Internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-internal_atlarge-lists… > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > IPM/IRNIC > P.O.Box 19395-5564, Shahid Bahonar Sq. > Tehran 19548, Iran > Phone: (+98 21) 22 82 80 80; 22 82 80 81, ext 113 > Cell: (+98 912)104 2501 > Fax: (+98 21) 22 29 57 00 > Email: shahshah(a)irnic.ir, shahshah(a)nic.ir > ----------------------------------------------- >

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GNSO IDN WG - Final Outcomes Report
by Hong Xue March 24, 2007

March 24, 2007

Dear all, Attached is the final version of the WG report as sent to the GNSO Council and due for posting at the GNSO website. The discussions on IDNs are still going on. Please send in your comments or suggestions to reflect the views of the local users in your organizations. Hong GNSO IDN WG Liaison

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Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Suggestion: Name the public as intended beneficiary of RALO MOUs
by Wendy Seltzer March 24, 2007

March 24, 2007

Pardon me, but if it's not a binding agreement, namely a contract, what's the point to anyone signing it? To create pretty ceremony? Each of the parties to the agreement assumes obligations to the other. In addition, since those obligations are for the express benefit of individual Internet users, they're enforceable by those users. Otherwise, we're just creating more paper for thre landfills and more bureaucracy to prevent the individual's voice from being heard. --Wendy -- sent from the TreoPod -- Wendy Seltzer wendy(a)seltzer.com cell: 914.374.0613 Brooklyn Law & Berkman Center -----Original Message----- From: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org> Subj: Re: [NA-Discuss] Suggestion: Name the public as intended beneficiary of RALO MOUs Date: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:33 am Size: 2K To: "Wendy Seltzer" <wendy(a)seltzer.com> cc: "Michael Maranda" <mmaranda(a)afcn.org>, na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org To clarify, as I have been given to understand the MoUs between ICANN and the regions is not a contract as that term is understood in law. It is an agreement, but not of legal standing such as a contract. I am seeking clarification from the GCs office with respect to the other points raised and suggested. What lawsuit do you envisage precisely when below you suggest that the only obligation of a RALO is to disseminate information? And why would the individual ALSes wish to sign an MoU that allows any in the general public to sue them - since they are the other party to ICANN in the MoU and since it has been said in this chain that one could sue either the RALO or ICANN. Perhaps I'm missing something? On 23/03/07, Wendy Seltzer <wendy(a)seltzer.com> wrote: > > > > > >Also: What will "expressly enforceable" look like? > > > > It wouldn't do anything directly, but it would mean that anyone could > > bring a lawsuit if ICANN or the RALO breached its contractual > > obligations. To that end, we should put into the MOU more of the > > things we've been insisting ICANN do for the at-large public. > > :What "contractual obligations" will > the RALO have? (Is the MOU a contract?) > > The world of ICANN is built around contracts rather than public law. In that environment, the only way to get anything done is to have an enforceable contract right (or to get your views endorsed by someone who does or by a sufficiently influential government). The MOU is our chance to establish contractual rights for the individual Internet user against ICANN. If we don't do that, the RALO will be as useless as every other mode of so-called public participation. > > : What resources will the RALO have to meet those obligations, and where > will those resources come from? Will they be sufficient to meeting those > obligations? > > The RALO's obligations are to disseminate information. I was merely mentioning them for completeness. > > --Wendy > > > _______________________________________________ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > --- > Draft MoU with ICANN: > http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU > > Draft Operating Principles: > http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart --- message truncated ---

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