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GAO Reports about Information Management regarding Personally Identifiable Information
by Jeffrey A. Williams Feb. 23, 2008

Feb. 23, 2008

All, FYI The Government Accountability Office (GAO) today released the following reports, testimony, and correspondence: LETTER REPORT Information Security: Protecting Personally Identifiable Information. GAO-08-343, January 25 http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-08-343 Highlights - http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d08343high.pdf Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Welcome Matthias Langenegger to the ICANN At-Large Staff
by Nick Ashton-Hart Feb. 23, 2008

Feb. 23, 2008

Dear all: It is my pleasure to introduce you to Matthias Langenegger, who has just joined the At-Large staff in the Policy Unit as At-Large Coordination Officer. He’ll be helping support the global At-Large community in scheduling, meeting support and logistics, servicing information requests, minuting meetings, and helping keep the websites and community communications tools (like the new membership system) up- to-date amongst other essential tasks. Many of you may know Matthias from the IGF Secretariat, where he interned throughout much of 2007 - while there he assisted in the preparations for the Rio de Janeiro Internet Governance Forum in November 2007, coordinating the sessions schedule and providing logistical coordination. He also assisted in the assessment process for the different workshop and best practice proposals. Before and during his university education, he worked in different office environments such as banks and a small language school. He is originally from the German-speaking part of Switzerland and is a native German speaker who is fluent in English and French. He also speaks fair Catalan and Spanish having lived in Barcelona for a year. Matthias recently graduated from the Graduate Institute of International Relations at the University of Geneva and holds an MA in international relations. He lives in Geneva. Continuing the tradition of very long email addresses amongst the At-Large staff, he can be reached at matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org (or, in short form, matthias(a)icann.org ). For those who, like me, often produce inaccurate pronunciations of others’ names, his forename is pronounced “muhteeahs” :) Please welcome him aboard. We’re very glad to have him! -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Question
by Danny Younger Feb. 22, 2008

Feb. 22, 2008

Does the ALAC intend to launch a policy-development process on whether and how to restrict GTLD registries or registrars or both from engaging in warehousing of and/or speculating in domain names? http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/02-2… Tucows reveals key domain name portfolio assets [edited excerpt] "as of February 14, 2008 the Company had over 150,000 Internet domain names in its private domain name portfolio, including the following: - Over 1,000 "Gems." These domain names are considered to have the highest potential value in the portfolio. - 39,000 Surnames. Tucows owns over 65 percent of North American's surnames as domain names. - 22,000 Brandable Names. A brandable domain name is intended to stick in the heads of users and conveys the nature of the website it leads to or the business it represents. - 88,000 Direct Navigation Names. Direct navigation names are primarily monetized through targeted pay-per-click advertising." ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

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Re: [At-Large] [ALAC-Internal] Welcome Matthias Langenegger to the ICANN At-Large Staff
by Evan Leibovitch Feb. 22, 2008

Feb. 22, 2008

Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: > Welcome Indeed!!! Great to have you as a part of the team... I know many of > us are looking forward to working with you and I know I'm personally > delighted to have you join the At-Large staff at ICANN... > Same here. Welcome to our (sometimes dysfunctional ;-) ) family, Matthias! Evan Leibovitch Chair, NARALO

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Re: [At-Large] Draft comments on Initial report of IDNC WG
by Wendy Seltzer Feb. 22, 2008

Feb. 22, 2008

Thanks Hong, Since I found that page very difficult to read (in part because it scrolled horizontally), I include the recent changes here: " Public Comments Requested on Initial Draft Fast-Track Mechanism for Introduction of a Limited Number of IDN ccTLDs" <http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-01feb08.htm> _Draft Comments on Initial Draft Fast-Track Mechanism for Introduction of IDN ccTLDs (22/02/08)_ Individual user community believes the draft initial report be a positive step to move ahead on fast-track introduction of the IDN ccTLDs. For purpose of avoidance of public confusion and protection of individual users in specific language communities, we hope the Initial Report would consider the following suggestions. In the Section 3(B)(i) of the Initial Report, "Apart from the overarching requirements to meet the IDNA protocols and any other IDN technical requirements, are there any criteria for a string to be acceptable under the fast track (for example that the string must be a meaningful representation of the name of the Territory or an abbreviation of the name of the Territory in the relevant script)? **We suggest the IDN guidelines be specfically supplemented into the requirements for selection of the IDN strings. Character tabling is very important to prevent the equivalent character variants of the same or different scripts from co-existing in the registration. A well-documented and publicly available character table shall be the prerequisite for introduction of an IDN TLD relevant to that character set. ***With respect to selection of IDN ccTLD managers under the Section 4 of the Initial Report, we hope that a manager have the language capacity of providing the services per the script of an IDN ccTLD. " Is there a brief reference you can recommend on "character tabling"? Thanks, --Wendy Hong Xue wrote: > Given the deadline for commeting on the Initial Report, I've drafted > the statement. The idn-wg list is not working so I posted on wiki at > https://st.icann.org/idn-policy/index.cgi?at_large_idn_policy. Welcome > to comment or revise and let me know if we would like submit it before > Feb. 24. > > Hong > -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org Visiting Professor, Northeastern University School of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/

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A Comparative Study of Internet Censorship
by Jeffrey A. Williams Feb. 22, 2008

Feb. 22, 2008

All my good friends, Is, and has ICANN and now the ALAC with it's "Internal mailing list", guilty of censorship? It appears so... Has "Wikileaks" exposed and/or reintroduced the Censorship problem. It appears so... Is the ALAC mimicking the "repressive regimes" a la ICANN, or will the ALAC recognize the error in such ways? Who knows... But let me be clear, the "Wikileaks" case and the censorship concern was borne of see: http://commons.globalintegrity.org/search/label/wikileaks and seems that there are some other powers that be whom are involved that may be politically embarrassed... None the less, we all should be shunning any form of Censorship, most especially the ALAC. To wit: Visit the home of the watchdog group Global Integrity for a breakdown of online censorship: "Using data from the Global Integrity Index, we http://commons.globalintegrity.org/2008/02/internet-censorship-comparative-… put a US court's recent order to block access to anti-corruption site Wikileaks.org into context. In summary: This is unheard of in the West, and has only been seen in a handful of the most repressive regimes. Good thing it doesn't work very well... The whole event seems to encapsulate the constant criticism of governance in the United States: that the government has been captured by corporate interests, and that the world-leading rule of law and technocratic mechanisms in place can be hijacked to serve as tools for narrow, wealthy interests. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [At-Large] [ga] Re: Proposal: Establishing a Registrant Advisory Committee
by Jeffrey A. Williams Feb. 21, 2008

Feb. 21, 2008

Dominik and all my friends, I personally agree that more quantifiable input means are very useful if managed properly and should be used much more than they have been sense ICANN's conception. ICANN has used surveys to an extent with mixed accurate or perceived results. These mediocre results have been pointed out before and the reasons to same also have been articulated significantly and which pointed directly to poor managment perhaps due to lack of staff and/or staff expertise. Dominik Filipp wrote: > Jeff, > > once the registrant constituency and/or the registrant advisory > committee come into being the similar problems will disappear. > The GA can still remain a good place for deliberations and the source of > public input out of which decisions will be formed. But just one of the > sources, I guess. We should also have a more quantifiable input such as > surveys, straw polls, etc. > > Dominik > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ga(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ga@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf > Of Jeffrey A. Williams > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:23 AM > To: ga(a)gnso.icann.org > Cc: At-Large Worldwide > Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Proposal: Establishing a Registrant Advisory > Committee > > Dominik and all, > > I understand fully the problem, that being the GA is not an official > body within the ICANN structure. That needs to change! > Some may believe that the ALAC is a replacement for the GA. > I don't see it that way, I see the GA as the only place were at present, > the Independant Registrants AND users have a voice, all be it no vote. > > Dominik Filipp wrote: > > > Jeff, > > > > yes, I also see the GA a good place for deliberations on registrant > > constituency and other issues as well. > > But there are two different things here you have to distinguish > between. > > Registrant constituency and/or advisory committee are official bodies > > that have to be first identified and established within the ICANN > > structures with all the power delegated, and as such have nothing to > > do either with the GA or any other mailing list. The efforts here are > > not about promoting the GA to be automatically incorporated into the > > structure as is. The mentioned bodies have specific attributes and are > > > driven by respective bylaws totally different from those applied on > > mailing lists. I just want to say that there is a big difference > > between official bodies and mailing lists and that a mailing list > > cannot be simply switched to an ICANN body. > > > > Another thing is that once such a constituency and/or committee will > > be officially established and formed, people from the GA or other > > mailing list or from anywhere else may be elected as official members, > > > or act as volunteers, participants, and so forth. > > > > Dominik > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ga(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ga@gnso.icann.org] On > > Behalf Of Jeffrey A. Williams > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:35 PM > > To: ga(a)gnso.icann.org > > Cc: Peter Dengate Thrush; twomey(a)icann.org; At-Large Worldwide > > Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Proposal: Establishing a Registrant Advisory > > Committee > > > > Dominik and all, > > > > Agree here as well. As is well known, our members have been > > advocating for a Independent registrants constituency for several > years. > > In fact, we like to consider our organization as such. We are not > > however part of the ICANN constituency structure. But I personally > > fairly sure either our organization could be incorporated into the > > ICANN Constituency structure/GNSO or would give serious consideration > > to the formation of such as long as the rules for membership are not > > overly restrictive. Of course that is where the rubber meets the road > > > so to speak... > > > > Further the GA is a good place to for the time being, discuss and > > determine the details of such a Independent Registrants Constituency. > > > > Dominik Filipp wrote: > > > > > Chuck, > > > > > > agreed on all counts here. The Registrant Constituency is definitely > > > > the goal worth pursuing. > > > As regards the details, we could start discussing this here on the > > > GA and gain some support/knowledge from other people. > > > > > > Dominik > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com] > > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:26 PM > > > To: Dominik Filipp; Peter Dengate Thrush; Danny Younger > > > Cc: twomey(a)icann.org; ga(a)gnso.icann.org; At-Large Worldwide > > > Subject: RE: [ga] Re: Proposal: Establishing a Registrant Advisory > > > Committee > > > > > > I have always felt that registrant representation would be good but > > > I have yet to see anyone come up with an effective way to make it > > > happen > > > > > that results in broad representation of the registrant community. I > > > > know I don't have to tell people on this list that the registrant > > > population is hugely diverse and comes from all parts of the world. > > > > > > As we get closer to GNSO improvements that will likely give > > > increased representation to individuals via the non-commercial > > > stakeholder group, this would be an excellent time for people to > > > develop and propose a workable way to create a registrant > > > constituency that truly does represent a broad base of > > > non-commercial, individual gTLD registrants around world. > > > > > > Chuck Gomes > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-ga(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ga@gnso.icann.org] On > > > Behalf Of Dominik Filipp > > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:33 AM > > > To: Peter Dengate Thrush; Danny Younger > > > Cc: twomey(a)icann.org; ga(a)gnso.icann.org; At-Large Worldwide > > > Subject: RE: [ga] Re: Proposal: Establishing a Registrant Advisory > > > Committee > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-ga(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ga@gnso.icann.org] On > > > Behalf Of Peter Dengate Thrush > > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:46 AM > > > To: Danny Younger > > > Cc: twomey(a)icann.org; ga(a)gnso.icann.org; At-Large Worldwide > > > Subject: [ga] Re: Proposal: Establishing a Registrant Advisory > > > Committee > > > > > > . . . > > > > > > >> While ICANN has numerous advisory committees and supporting > > > >> organizations whose responsibilities include putting forth the > > > general > > > >> registrant interest as a part of their duties, the sad reality > > > >> has been that immediate registrant concerns rarely find a > > > >> dedicated organizational advocate to spearhead policy development > activities. > > > >> > > > >> What is needed is an Advisory Body whose "sole focus" > > > >> is upon the needs of the general registrant community whose funds > > > > >> support and drive the ICANN process. > > > >> > > > > > > > This may be a useful development. > > > > I should need to see it carefully distinguished, with advantages > > > > and > > > > > > disadvantages laid out and contested between the current user > > > > groups > > > > > > (Business and Non Commercial constituencies of GNSO), and the At > > > > Large > > > > > > > I appreciate that registrants are not, as a group, necessarily a > > > > subset of "user", or of At Large, as it includes the domaineers > > > > who are registrants for trading and profit - is it their interests > > > > > in particular that you feel are not being served by the current > > > > structure? > > > > > > In fact, we need more than just a Registrant Advisory Committee. We > > > need a fully-fledged Registrant Constituency with all the voting > > power. Why? > > > For simple and logical reason. The Registrants stay on top of the > > > financial chain generating income for ICANN. Without the need for > > > domain names there would be no need for either Registries or > > > Registrars or ISPs. Thus Registrants, though indirectly, is the very > > > > first gear wheel in the income machinery. > > > The Registrant Constituency should have been the very first > > > constituency established within the ICANN structures when ICANN was > > > formed. And the most influential as it indeed deserves. Without such > > > > representation ICANN can barely hold its claim as being an advocate > > > of > > > > > all internet users or stakeholders. > > > > > > . . . > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Dominik Filipp > > > > > > > You can make this happen, and ICANN will benefit from such a > > > > contribution. > > > > > > > > best regards, > > > > Danny Younger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > __ > > > > __ > > > > ______________ > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/ > > > > > newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > Peter Dengate Thrush > > > barrister(a)chambers.gen.nz > > > > Regards, > > > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) > > > "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - > > Abraham Lincoln > > > > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is > > very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt > > > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; > > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by > > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." > > United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] > > =============================================================== > > Updated 1/26/04 > > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. > > div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. > > ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail > > jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827 > > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Another domain name hijacking
by Danny Younger Feb. 21, 2008

Feb. 21, 2008

the thread starts here on the registrars discussion list: http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/registrars/msg05635.html One may also wish to review the SSAC report on domain hijackings to see how many of their ten recommendations were ever adopted... :( http://www.icann.org/announcements/hijacking-report-12jul05.pdf ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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User issues: Seriously Addressing "Fast Fluxing"
by Jeffrey A. Williams Feb. 21, 2008

Feb. 21, 2008

All my friends and especially Nick Ashton-Hart, It is long past time the substantial users issues such as this one have been seriously recognized. Although I and our members fully realize and somewhat sympathize that social engineering related issues are of importance, issues that are and have been negatively effecting users everywhere, every day are far more important. So thanks to Nick here, this very serious problem that is also very costly to all of us, either directly or indirectly has again been brought to the forefront. Time to stand up for change! See: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org… and http://www.icann.org/committees/security/sac025.pdf I and our members have now for years been concerned and complaining about ICANN and its registries/registrars, ISP's and IAP's to take a much more serious effort in addressing what is now called "Fast Fluxing" without any significant interest from ICANN whom has at least a significant level of responsibility to take action to thwart this errant and unlawful activity. In fact, ICANN's supporting organizations such as the IETF and the IAB are at least in part for aiding and abetting this activity due to their mis configured DNS's which I have pointed out on several occasions. I would ask that first thing ICANN can do is to require the their supporting organizations have cleanly defined DNS's so that phishing, malware and Spyware can at least from ICANN itself, be partly addressed effectively. Thank you in advance for your immediate and necessary cooperation in advance. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [At-Large] [ga] Re: Proposal: Establishing a Registrant Advisory Committee
by Jeffrey A. Williams Feb. 21, 2008

Feb. 21, 2008

Dominik and all, Well IMO only, it would seem wise and reasonable that first there must be a Independent Registrants Constituency lest this proposed committee gets stacked with only existing Constituency members and the same old musical chairs is propagated yet again, and as a result the opinions of a tiny minority are represented as a consensus of the many whom are not, and have never been represented. Another method to avoid the above concern, is to have ALAC global members/participants whom are registrants holding at least 2/3's of this new committee seats to ensure proper representation of same and at the same time, or as you say in parallel, get the Independent Registrants Constituency going and a new GNSO council elected with the proper accurate representation for the first time in ICANN's history. My guess is however neither of these things are going to be allowed to happen as it would upset the current apple cart of the current power structure in both ICANN and the GNSO, leaving the IPC and the BC far less influential than they are now. So Dominik, spread the word and thank you for standing up for change! Dominik Filipp wrote: > Jeff, > > you are right. I have changed my mind regarding the committee. I am keen > on supporting both the motions. The only question is which one to start > with. Or with both in parallel? Danny has not expressed his opinion on > this yet. > > Dominik > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ga(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ga@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf > Of Jeffrey A. Williams > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:41 PM > To: ga(a)gnso.icann.org; DOC/NTIA ICANN Rep; Avri Doria > Cc: Peter Dengate Thrush; twomey(a)icann.org; At-Large Worldwide > Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Proposal: Establishing a Registrant Advisory > Committee > > Dominik and all, > > Our members sympathize with your concerns here Dominik. > Yet I see no harm in the forming of such a committee as long as it is > not stacked with committee members that only reflect the current ICANN > GNSO constituency's members. > > Dominik Filipp wrote: > > > Danny, > > > > I do not agree. Creating an Advisory Committee without voting power > > makes no sense to me at all. It would just be yet another toothless > > voice lost among many others incapable of influencing final decisions. > > Registrants/stakeholders must gain full support and respect within > > ICANN they truly deserve. > > > > Dominik > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ga(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ga@gnso.icann.org] On > > Behalf Of Danny Younger > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:44 AM > > To: Peter Dengate Thrush > > Cc: twomey(a)icann.org; ga(a)gnso.icann.org; At-Large Worldwide > > Subject: [ga] Re: Proposal: Establishing a Registrant Advisory > > Committee > > > > Peter, > > > > Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I share your view of the > > importance of feeding timely advice into the policy-making and > > coordinating processes handled via the Supporting Organizations; this > > is precisely what Advisory Committees are supposed to do. > > > > I'm further appreciative of your assessment that an Advisory Body > > whose sole focus is upon the needs of the general registrant community > > > "may be a useful development", and I will be happy to work with those > > on the GA and NARALO lists that have already endorsed this concept to > > see it carefully distinguished per the guidelines that you have > tendered. > > > > It is my expectation that a more formal proposal will be put forth in > > advance of the Paris session that will clarify for the board the > > extent of the interests that are not being properly served by the > > current structure. > > > > With regard to your query on the topic of registrar contracts, I look > > forward to the self-regulatory activities that will be pursued by the > > registrar community and believe that the guidance offered by such an > > AC will doubtless facilitate work in the SO community to buttress that > > > self-regulatory effort through the consensus policy process. > > > > Understanding that an Advisory Committee is, per the bylaws, a > > creation of the board, it would have been presumptive and > > inappropriate to act to self-form such a group, but I am willing to > > work with others to clarify the AC's likely future membership and its > > goals in much the same manner that the earlier At-Large Organizing > > Committee (ALOC) facilitated the emergence of the ALAC; additionally, > > per your request a clear cost benefit analysis will of course be > provided. > > > > As bottom-up momentum is already developing with regard to this > > proposal, it is my expectation that the clarity of purpose you seek > > will soon emerge in upcoming discussions. > > > > Thank you for sharing your views. I look forward to further > > discussions as needed. > > > > best wishes, > > Danny > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > __ > > ____________ > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > Regards, > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) > "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - > Abraham Lincoln > > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very > often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." > United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] > =============================================================== > Updated 1/26/04 > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. > div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. > ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail > jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827 Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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