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Volunteers for Front Running drafting group
by Alan Greenberg May 28, 2008

May 28, 2008

In my report of May 12th, I asked for volunteers for a GNSO drafting team on Front Running. I have had no comments to date, and I understand the entire process has not really gotten off the ground yet. It is unclear if the deadline will or can be extended (there is a GNSO meting on Thursday when that may come up). I am unable to participate with the current deadline. If there any others who are up to speed on this subject, please let me know. Alan >The GNSO Council resolved, on 8 May 2008, to create a Front Running >drafting team to look at questions such as: >- How is the problem defined? >- How prevalent is the problem? >- Will the measures relating to domain tasting affect front running? >- Are there rules within the RAA that can be used? >The goal is to bring a recommendation to the council on whether to >request an Issues report or more extensive research effort and to define >the terms of the report. >This team should bring its report by 7 June 2008 in time for >deliberations in Paris or sooner if possible. >Team is open to constituency members. Liaisons are invited to participate > >A mailing list has been created >Front running drafting team ><gnso-fr-dt(a)icann.org> > >with public archives: >http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-fr-dt/ > >There is also a WIKI space available for the drafting group at: >https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?front_running > >Background: >The ALAC submitted a letter to the ICANN Board requesting it 'to >establish a temporary narrowly-tailored policy as a stopgap until such >time as the relevant policy-recommending ICANN Supporting Organisations >can provide a comprehensive consensus policy solution' ><http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg04857.html > >The ICANN Board's disposition was that ><http://www.icann.org/minutes/prelim-report-27mar08.htm > "The Chair >determined that emergency action is not required today but the matter >will be referred to the GNSO for additional information or policy >development if necessary, but not an emergency action."

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An article from globeandmail.com
by Darlene Thompson May 28, 2008

May 28, 2008

Darlene Thompson (dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca) thought you would be interested in the following article from globeandmail.com, Canada's leading source for online news: "Internet registry moves to protect privacy" Change to limit access to domain-name information could stymie police investigations <http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080524.winternetcdn052…> Note from Darlene Thompson: I thought that this may be of interest. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Get the news delivered to your inbox. Sign up for our daily News Update: <http://www.globeandmail.com/newsletter/>

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Extent of ALAC responsibilities
by jefsey May 28, 2008

May 28, 2008

Dear friends, The debate on the extent of ICANN responsibilities, raises the question of the extent of ALAC reponsibilities. I have touched on that question several times on this list without any reaction. I will, therefore, pose it plainly. 1) france@large understands "@large" (ad largum, in latin) as the pilots (kubernetes) of Plato's cybernetics paradigm. The people who freely steer "in altum", or independently throughout the global distributed network. We translate it as the people that feel that they are the co-owners of the nets, wherein they apportion their resources, time, ideas, and money. They, therefore, are very often what Von Hippel introduced as "lead users" <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_innovation>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_innovation - in particular in open source, standard, and architecture areas. Is this understanding common on this list and among ALS? 2) france@large considers its role to be to facilitate satisfactory support for these @large people by the different entities of the political (ICANN), technical (IETF), and their own grassroots governance, along the principles of proportionality and subsidiarity, in particular in: - reporting to the ICANN BoD about the needs, moods, and propositions of its @large members. - doing the the same with the IETF Area Directors and WG when their works impact the @large design, use, and manegement of their own system. - helping its @large members to study, document, test, deploy, and operate answers to the needs that they experiment on, which are not yet addressed elsewhere (which is the way the Internet has evolved since its inception). Are we in agreement? 3) to give an example, france@large members are generally dissatisfied with the IDN/IDNA approach as proposed by the IETF. As a result, AFNIC (.fr) has not yet implemented any lingual support. Several events have led to a debate on the issue, and to increased attendance of our concerned members (joined by some ISOC members) to the IETF/WG IDNABIS. - the Paris ICANN meeting, where ccNSO should finalise its "Fast Track" project - the IAB comment that stated the IDNA RFCs needed a refresh before any further deployment - the general progress of the digital convergence and semantic emergence - the R&D exploration over the years by four france@large projects of expertise (dot-root, AFRAC, MLTF, and 3166-4). We identified that IDNA was not going to addres our needs. We asked Vint Cerf (the Chair of the WG-IDNABIS) if he thought that IDNA could become the ML-DNS that we need. The resulting debate is posted at <http://wikidna.org/index.php?title=Is_IDNA_an_ML-DNS_to_be>http://wikidna.org/index.php?title=Is_IDNA_an_ML-DNS_to_be. It led to the mutual understanding that IDNA and ML-DNS were parallel efforts to be developed, in parallel, by the ITEF and @large community. To support that effort, we started the <http://ml-dns.org/>http://ml-dns.org site for a general debate within the @large community, together with ICANN and IETF, as they deemed it appropriate. Our concern is to help the expediting of IDNA by the IETF, as a first layer solution that is appropriate for the Anglo-Saxon users/systems, which have to interoperate with linguistic interlocutors. While working on a consistent ML-DNS solution (1) bringing the same QoS to scriptual/lingual users, as the regular DNS does for English ASCII users (2) having the capacity to transparently encapsulate the IDNA once it has finalised by the IETF. We would adopt the same logic when considering others issues. Releating with the appropriate Internet technical/political Governance, such as ICANN/GNSO, ccNSO, GAC. The same as we relate with IGF, IGF, Intlnet, MAAYA, UNESCO, ITU, etc. and have other specialized centers of expertise on RFID, local networking, sociolinguistic TLDs, multilinguistics, etc. Are we on the same wavelength? Thank you for your comments. jfc

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Re: [At-Large] Wrapping up the thread/discussion - Apoligies
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 27, 2008

May 27, 2008

Jacque and all, Well what "Behavior" is that now Jacque? Hummm? Telling the truth perhaps? Pointing up missives perhaps? Hummm? Or just that our members are not always in agreement with you or Darlene? In any event, it is very clear to any reasonable person what the score is... But comming from someone whos DNS for their Email address is terribly mis configured, one might expect such nonsensical retorts. See: http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=GOV.NU.CA&token=27002… BTW Darlene, when might your admin get this spam machine mess cleaned up? -----Original Message----- >From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> >Sent: May 27, 2008 10:56 AM >To: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson(a)GOV.NU.CA> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Wrapping up the thread/discussion - Apoligies > >Darlene >I don't think Jeffrey is being censored - it's his behaviour that's >being censured >:) >cen·sure >1*:* a judgment involving condemnation >2/ archaic/ *:* opinion, judgment >3*:* the act of blaming or condemning sternly >4*:* an official reprimand > >Jacqueline >Thompson, Darlene wrote: >> >> Oh, and Jeffrey, I know that you are being censored but that is because >> you will not comply with ALAC's well stated codes of conduct so don't >> bother using this e-mail for your handler's further diatribe. >> >> D >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [At-Large] Wrapping up the thread/discussion - Apoligies
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 27, 2008

May 27, 2008

Veni, Bret, and all, According to the Berkman Center as well, Veni appears to be correct here. See: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/node/877 Frankly though, I have received evidence and testimonials to the contrary. -----Original Message----- >From: Veni Markovski <veni(a)veni.com> >Sent: May 27, 2008 12:30 PM >To: Bret Fausett <bfausett(a)internet.law.pro> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Wrapping up the thread/discussion - Apoligies > >Bret, >Can we all try to limit cross-posting from different mailing lists? > >Needless to say, the IG caucus list is the perfect place for such a >discussion, and not the ALAC one, as we know that at the IGC there are >people who are experts in everything. > >For the record, ONI says there's no Internet filtering in Egypt: >http://opennet.net/research/profiles/egypt > > >best, >veni >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Code of Conduct for continued participation /discussion on this list
by Cheryl Langdon-Orr May 27, 2008

May 27, 2008

Obviously it is time to post to this list (another) copy of the Code of Conduct applying to this list.mm From Page 16 of the ALAC Rules of Procedure. Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC Chair 2007-2008 Rule 22 - Code of Conduct 22.1 The ALAC discussion lists and its other online collaborative spaces serve two purposes. They are where we discuss ICANN-related policy issues and attend to administrative tasks related to the management of ALAC. 22.2 Content that is acceptable in our online collaborative spaces is defined as: 22.3 Discussion on ICANN-related policy issues, 22.4 Discussion of ALAC administrative matters, 22.5 Announcements of conferences, events, or activities related to ICANN matters. 22.6 Inappropriate postings include: 22.7 Unsolicited bulk e-mail, 22.8 Discussion of subjects unrelated to ICANN policy, meetings, activities, or technical concerns, 22.9 Unprofessional commentary, regardless of the general subject, 22.10 Postings libellous being used to abuse, harass, stalk, or threaten others, 22.11 Postings that are, knowingly false, ad-hominem, or misrepresents another person, 22.12 Postings that violate an obligation of confidentiality, 22.13 Postings that violate the privacy of others, 22.14 Announcements of conferences, events, or activities that are not related to ICANN matters. 22.15 The ALAC Chair is empowered to suspend or restrict a person's posting rights when the content that person has posted is inappropriate and represents a pattern of abuse. The Chair defines and determines inappropriate content on a case-by-case basis. Our definitions are not limited to this list. If the Chair suspends posting rights or deletes a comment or link, they will say so and explain why. When determining the duration of the suspension, the Chair is required to take into account the overall nature of the postings by an individual and whether particular postings are an aberration or typical. 22.16 Occasionally, a participant may engage in what amounts to a "denial-of-service" attack to disrupt the consensus-driven process. Typically, these attacks are made by repeatedly posting messages that are off-topic, inflammatory, or otherwise counter-productive, and the Chair may choose to revoke the participant's posting rights. In contrast, good faith disagreement is a healthy part of the consensus-driven process. For example, if the group is unable to reach consensus, this is an acceptable, albeit unfortunate, outcome; however, if that group fails to achieve consensus because it is being continuously disrupted, then the disruption constitutes an abuse of the consensus-driven process. Interactions of this type are fundamentally different from "the lone voice of dissent" in which a participant expresses a view that is discussed but does not achieve consensus. In other words, individual bad faith should not trump community goodwill.

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Briefing Session of the Draft Operating Plan and Budget 08/09
by Matthias Langenegger May 27, 2008

May 27, 2008

Veuillez trouver la version française du message suivant plus bas Por favor véase el mensaje en español abajo All: As you will have noticed, the Draft Operating Plan and Budget for FY 2008/2009 has recently been published for public comment. You can find the details here: http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-17may08.htm We would like to provide an opportunity for members of the At-Large Advisory Committee and interested At-Large community members to have a briefing on this in two weeks. Kevin Wilson, ICANN's Chief Financial Officer will give a presentation on the subject and respond to questions from At-Large community members. If his schedule allows it, ICANN's Chief Operating officer Doug Brent will also join this call. If you would like to participate in this briefing session, please follow the link below where you will find a couple of slots to chose from for the week of June 9th. http://www.doodle.ch/9rmqs8sr3mqvbmbg (Please choose your language) Please note that the slot on Tuesday, June 10th would be previously to the monthly ALAC teleconference, which will begin at 1330 UTC. Cher(e)s membres, Comme vous l'aurez remarqué, le plan préliminaire d'opération et du budget pour l'exercice financier 2008/2009 a été récemment édité pour les commentaires publics. Vous pouvez trouver les détails ci-après : http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-17may08.htm A cet effet, nous voudrions présenter aux membres du Comité Consultatif At-Large (ALAC) ainsi qu'aux membres intéressés de la Communauté At-Large d'avoir une session d'information dans deux semaines. Monsieur Kevin Wilson, le Directeur Financier de l'ICANN présentera un exposé sur le sujet et répondra aux questions des membres intéressés de la Communauté At-Large. Si son programme le lui permet, Monsieur Doug Brent, le Directeur des Opérations d'ICANN se joindra également à cette conversation téléphonique. Ceux d'entre vous intéressé par cette présentation, veuillez s'il vous plait utiliser le lien ci-dessous qui vous dirigera vers deux ou trois choix proposées pour la semaine du 9 juin. Nous vous enverrons par la suite une invitation électronique. http://www.doodle.ch/9rmqs8sr3mqvbmbg (choissisez votre langue s'il vous plaît) Veuillez noter que le choix du mardi 10 juin précédera la téléconférence mensuelle de l'ALAC, qui commencera à 13.30 UTC. Estimados miembros de At-Large, Como ya ha notado, el plano preparatorio de las operaciones y los presupuestos ha sido publicado para los comentarios públicos. Para ver los detalles siga el siguiente vinculo: http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-17may08.htm En este contexto, queremos darles a los miembros del comité de asesores At-Large así como a los miembros interesados de la comunidad At-Large la oportunidad de tener una sesión de información en dos semanas. Señor Kevin Wilson, el director financiero de ICANN ha declarado estar dispuesto a hacer una presentación sobre este asunto y responder a las preguntas de los miembros de la comunidad At-Large. Si su programa se le permite, señor Doug Brent, el director de las operaciones de ICANN participará igualmente a este conversación telefónica. Si le interesa esta presentación, siga por favor el vínculo abajo para encontrar unas opciones para la semana del nueve de Junio. http://www.doodle.ch/9rmqs8sr3mqvbmbg (elige su idioma por favor) Nótase que la opción de martes 10 Junio precederá la teleconferencia mensual del comité de asesores At-Large que empezará a las 1330 UTC. Regards, Cordialment, Cordialmente, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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ALAC Action Requested on Privacy
by Danny Younger May 27, 2008

May 27, 2008

Dear members of the ALAC: As you may be aware, privacy is not an ICANN "Core Value". The word "privacy" does not appear within the bylaws. I am of the view that ICANN would be well served by articulating that it respects privacy. If we ultimately seek to arrive at a consensus on the fundamental issue of protection of personal privacy, we need to have a starting point to stimulate ICANN-wide discussion. Accordingly, I am asking you to drive home this point by petitioning the ICANN Board to amend its core values section in the bylaws so that privacy may come to be acknowledged as a value to be respected. I look forward to your comments. Danny Younger

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Re: [At-Large] [governance] Fall ICANN meeting in Cairo - Rights discussion off the agenda ... ?
by Robert Guerra May 27, 2008

May 27, 2008

John: well - my opinion differs. No need to forward the message, i'll so myself. Correct me if i'm wrong, has anyone @ ALAC mentioned that issues of freedom of expression, censorship and internet freedom ARE of concern to ICANN. All i have heard so far - is that the issue is best dealt with elsewhere, or that it is not "within the scope" or "mission" of ALAC and/or ICANN. regards Robert On 26-May-08, at 6:14 PM, John Levine wrote: >> Representative Edward J. Markey (D-MA) published a public statement >> the other day in which he and other congressional representatives >> seem >> to indicate that ICANN promotes free speech principles. However >> recent >> comments by members of the ICANN at-large advisory committee as well >> as members of ICANN staff seem to indicate that issues of freedom of >> expression, censorship and internet freedom is NOT of concern to >> ICANN. > > Hi, Robert. Any objections if I forward this gross misrepresentation > of the discussion on the ALAC list back to the ALAC? > Begin forwarded message: > From: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> > Date: May 13, 2008 8:51:39 AM GMT-04:00 > To: Khaled KOUBAA <khaled.koubaa(a)gmail.com> > Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >, icann-list(a)sorehands.com, aheineman(a)ntia.doc.gov, > mike(a)palage.com, Paul Twomey <twomey(a)icann.org>, carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > , Jeff Neuman <Jeff.Neuman(a)neustar.us>, Beau Brendler <Brenbe(a)consumer.org > >, CWallace(a)cygnacom.com > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Middle East & North Africa Outreach > > Khaled: > > First, thanks for your comments. > > My original email was to assess, if ICANN/At-Large staff had > undertaken any efforts or is planning any such efforts to involve > and engage internet users from the middle east and/or north african > region for the upcoming fall public meeting in Egypt. I am well > aware of the geopolitical issues of the region - indeed they are > complex. However, it is a region with a growing and vibrant online > community of bloggers and internet governance specialists. > > Through my involvement and engagement with Diplo Foundation, Global > Voices, and many other organizations that I advise - I have a great > deal of contact with people in the region who are active on the > internet . They are experts in internet governance, journalists, > bloggers and yes, even user groups. In essence, they are active > internet users that happy to know the fall ICANN meeting will be in > their part of the world and seem to be keen to learn more, be active > in the meeting and share their perspective on key issues that affect > the region such as IDN, Multi-lingual internet, DNS security, etc. > > As you may know, one of the big issues discussed among bloggers and > other users from the region is - of course - internet censorship and > other restrictions imposed by governments such as Tunisia, Egypt, > Syria and others. Reports from the Open Net Initiative, Global > Voices Online and others speak in dire terms about how internet > users are censored, blocked, arrested or worse. > > http://del.icio.us/internetfreedom/egypt > http://del.icio.us/internetfreedom/syria > http://opennet.net/ > http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/ > > As such - a question to ICANN staff and upper management - who do > seem to be cc'd on the message... Can the organization guarantee > that the meeting will have open and unfiltered access to the > internet, and be open to all internet users from the region who > wish to attend. > > > regards > > Robert Guerra >

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Re: [At-Large] Egypt vs internet
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 26, 2008

May 26, 2008

Joly and all, Egypt like most nations in the middle east do not fully or even to a great degree endorse or except within the boundaries of their respective countries, respect democratic "Core Values" as it were, and will not likely do so in my lifetime sparing some great conflagration or near biblical proportions. So Joly, your URL reference comes as no great surprise to me, and should not to those that are globally aware. The question is, should ICANN in it's meeting in Egypt espouse and promote such "Core Values" at the meeting, and is doing so within the scope or ICANN's mission? My answer is yes, but I doubt that ICANN as an organization has the courage or ability politically speaking by which to do so with any real or earnest conviction. Yet I remain hopeful that ICANN will take up the challange anyway... -----Original Message----- >From: WWWhatsup <joly(a)punkcast.com> >Sent: May 24, 2008 11:33 PM >To: at-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [At-Large] Egypt vs internet > >Doesn't look too good > >http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/16/egypt-torture-for-bloggers-and… > >At 17:37 2008-05-23, you wrote: >>On 23-May-08, at 5:17 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: >> >>> And I have no idea what you are talking about re Egypt. > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > WWWhatsup NYC >http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com >--------------------------------------------------------------- > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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