December 2017 - APAC-Discuss

Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications
by Alan Greenberg Dec. 4, 2017

Dec. 4, 2017

"But if these designated personnel do not actively participate then the ALS can be deregistered. But what if there are other individual members of the ALS who do participate - but they are NOT the contacts. Our registration procedures do not actually stipulate what should happen." Maureen, unless you have such a rule in APRALO (and I could not find one on a quick review), that is not necessarily true. The representatives are just that, representatives. They are the ones to take formal action on behalf of the ALS (such as vote if and when there are votes). An ALS judged to be active can be because other members of the ALS are active in At-Large and ICANN processes. Of course the problem is that right now is that we have no practical way of automatically recognizing this - it relies on self-declaration or one of us "knowing" which ALS a person is associated with. A;an At 03/12/2017 08:40 AM, Maureen Hilyard wrote: >I understand what you are saying, Jahangir. An >ALS's bylaws about their leadership structure is >a valid point but it is separate from the At-Large participation issue.. > >ICANN is obliged to accept the names of the >first and second contact of the ALS as they are >given to us when an ALS is registered because >that is our (ALAC's) current policy. But if >these designated personnel do not actively >participate then the ALS can be >deregistered. But what if there are other >individual members of the ALS who do participate >- but they are NOT the contacts. Our >registration procedures do not actually stipulate what should happen. > >However, what the ALAC has been talking about is >that when it comes to inviting people to events, >like the ATLASIII in 2019 (or whenever), we are >considering the use of metrics, so that only >those individuals who are already actively >engaged, will be invited even if they are not >the designated first and second contacts that >were assigned by the ALS management, and who, in >some ALS cases, never turned up to any meetings. > >The ATLAS will discuss policy, so we would like >to have people participating in the discussions >who actually know about the important ICANN issues and can contribute. > >On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 2:12 AM, Jahangir Hossain ><<mailto:jrjahangir@gmail.com>jrjahangir(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Hi Maureen , > >I have bellow comment about the below point ; > >So maybe, once an ALS is registered, then we >simply deal with those members who are >interested and active whom we will be able to >identify via our metrics and establish as the >first and second contacts for any communications. . > >Comments : Every ALS have own bylaw to run the >organization . Members of ALS select their EC/ >Board members by following their bylaw who are >the valid key contact person for any >communication . So if you proposed to select >first and second contacts from interested person >via metrics for any communications, this should >not be represented the organization ALS . This >is because this selected person might not be >elected from the ALS by following their bylaw. >So if we consider to represent the organization >ALS then we should respect the ALS's bylaw for this issue . > > > >Regards / Jahangir > > >On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Nadira Alaraj ><<mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com>nadira.araj(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Hi Satish, >Regarding to point 4. >"4. The current rules on not admitting existing >ALS members as individual members to APRALO is >based on the potential to weaken ALSes. It's >perhaps time that these rules are reviewed at >both ALAC and RALO levels...however, this is not >a decision to be taken lightly." > >Many of the ALSes are run by a leadership team >who may have no activities to engage their ordinary members. >Here I come back to the discussion point on what >is the criteria of making sure that a certified >ALS is an active ALS as they are expected to >perform certain activities related to ICANN that >comply to RALO requirements in engaging both >their own community and their wider community? >If the said ALS don't do that then a potential >good members of such ALS will be of >disadvantage. Then if this potential member >applied to be as individual member in APRALO if >they already active in ICANN WGs, are RALOs >ready to accept their application? >This leads to the importance of documentation by >ALS activities on regular or even annual basis >on their wiki space as part of basic >requirements to ALS. Not satisfying this basic >requirement hints to their lack of seriousness. > >Best, >Nadira > > > >On Dec 3, 2017 08:56, "Satish Babu" <<mailto:sb@inapp.com>sb(a)inapp.com> wrote: >There are several considerations that we have to >be mindful of, vis-a-vis individual members, >particularly after the recent At-Large Review: > >1. RALOs should encourage individual members to >participate in policy processes in RALOs and At-Large. > >2. For this, we need to ensure that individuals >have low entry barriers (ie., a light-weight >admission process) compared to ALSes > >3. The current admission process for individual >members ("Trust" and not "Trust-but-verify") is >based on keeping entry barriers low, but also >because we often have no other means of verification > >4. The current rules on not admitting existing >ALS members as individual members to APRALO is >based on the potential to weaken ALSes. It's >perhaps time that these rules are reviewed at >both ALAC and RALO levels...however, this is not >a decision to be taken lightly. > >We are in the early phase of inducting >individual members. We have to learn as we go and fine-tune our rules. > > > > > >satish > > > > >On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Alan Greenberg ><<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: >All good questions. > >I can even add another. Is there any harm in a >person becoming an individual member who is a >member of an ALS, but is not active in that >ALS's activities with respect to being an ALS. >That situation could have applied to me - I was >an individual member, but was also historically >a member of an ISOC Chapter, but only because I >had ticked off a box on a web form, not because >I was active in it in any way. Would there have >been any harm in my continuing to be a "member" of that ALS? > >Ultimately, these are issues that either all >RALOs must address, or perhaps we will come up >with a uniform cross-RALO criteria. An important >thing to keep in mind is that the overall target >is to get people active in ICANN processes. > >Alan > >At 03/12/2017 01:30 AM, Maureen Hilyard wrote: >>But should we get individual members to sign a >>piece of paper that says that they officially do not belong to an ALS? >> >>This discussion is important as APRALO seeks to >>confirm acceptable criteria for registration of >>our ALSes (and any individual members who >>belong to it and want to join in our >>discussions), as well as those who are >>individual members not affiliated to any organisation. >> >>I like the example of our the Abu Dhabi >>representative of our individual members - due >>to her own personal interest in the work of >>ICANN, Justine was already an active member of >>a couple of working groups before she became a >>formal individual member of APRALO. She was a >>known entity and we have welcomed her >>participation in our discussions as a regional >>participant in the same way as we accept the >>inputs of the individual members who >>represent the interests of their ALSes. In >>past discussions, APRALO raised the point that >>individual members should already be actively >>engaged before we register them. There has been >>poor commitment by some of the individual >>members we currently have on our list How do we deregister them? >> >>I can appreciate that sometimes people may not >>be able to participate in an organisation that >>meets face to face normally at a time and place >>that is not convenient for everyone... and this >>was the reason we encouraged individual >>members. But leaving an ALS to become an >>individual member does not make sense to me. >> >>M >>. >> >>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Alan Greenberg >><<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca > wrote: >>One has to put these things in perspective and >>to examine the effort involved vs the benefits and risks. >>Looking at an unrelated issue, ICANN directors >>are subject to strict conflict of interest >>rules because it is important that they not >>have a personal interest when making decisions >>on behalf of ICANN. But all we ask is that they >>sign a piece of paper affirming what their >>conflicts are (if any) and assuring that should >>one arise, they will act properly. >>In the case of individual members, one has to >>look at the risks of accepting people's word, >>the harm it would cause, and now much it would >>cost/difficulty to investigate further vs the benefits. >>Alan >> >> >> >>At 02/12/2017 07:10 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote: >> >>>Sorry that was sent too early, accidentally >>>This is really opening up a can of >>>worms. have to take people's word on TRUST. >>>It has already been intimated that we might >>>need to get the membership lists of all our >>>ALSes to check on whether people are >>>legitimately NOT members - I can just imagine >>>trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India. >>>Becoming an individual member to be able to >>>contribute on your own behalf rather than a >>>group's view is legitimate, but how does a >>>single person compete against a chartered >>>organisation for regional funds to do outreach >>>so that they can fulfil the other ICANN expectations of ALses? >>>ÃÆKeeping the community of individual >>>Internet users informed about the significant news from ICANN >>>ÃÆPromoting outreach activities in the >>>community of individual Internet users >>>ÃÆDistributing (through posting or >>>otherwise) an updated agenda, news about >>>ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development process >>>ÃÆDeveloping and maintaining on-going >>>information and education programs, regarding ICANN and its work >>>ÃÆMaking public, and analyzing, ICANN's >>>proposed policies and its decisions and their >>>(potential)regional impact and (potential) >>>effect on individuals in the region; >>>I started to make mention of the fact that we >>>could have to ask people who have >>>disagreements with their ALS managements and >>>leave, that they may have to bring along a >>>letter saying that they are no longer members. But what a hassle. >>>But it is one of the thngs that I would like >>>to discuss with an volunteers of a group of >>>APRALO members to discuss ALS criteria, expectations and metrics. >>>Anyone want to join, drop me a line, and I >>>will get staff to create a wiki space for us. >>>Maureen >>>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Maureen >>>Hilyard <<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>This is really opening up a can of >>>worms. have to take people's word on TRUST. >>>It has already been intimated that we might >>>need to get the membership lists of all our >>>ALSes to check on whether people are >>>legitimately NOT members - I can just imagine >>>trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India. >>>Becoming an individual member to be able to >>>contribute on your own behalf rather than a >>>group's view is legitimate, but how does a >>>single person compete against a chartered >>>organisation for regional funds to do outreach >>>so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their bylaws of ALses? >>>ÃÆKeeping the community of individual >>>Internet users informed about the significant news from ICANN >>>ÃÆPromoting outreach activities in the >>>community of individual Internet users >>>ÃÆDistributing (through posting or >>>otherwise) an updated agenda, news about >>>ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development process >>>ÃÆDeveloping and maintaining on-going >>>information and education programs, regarding ICANN and its work >>> >> but we also have to be mindful, that if >> former ALS members leave an organisation, they >> may require a formal letter indicating that >> they are not longer a member as part of the >> RALO application process. This will >>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu >><<mailto:sb@inapp.com>sb(a)inapp.com> wrote: >>Thanks Rajnesh. >>The current mechanism is a self-declaration by >>the applicant. We have been finding that this >>doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, >>it is not always easy to keep track of the >>affiliations of organizations that a person is >>a member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing an example. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>satish >> >>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh >><<mailto:rajnesh.singh@gmail.com>rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com > wrote: >>So I wonder out loud what is the process to >>ensure that an individual applicant is not already a member via an ALS? >>This could get messy as one could belong to one >>of many ALSÃÂ¢ - - like e I do for example. >>Sometimes hard to track, be aware of. >> >>Raj >>On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard >><<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>Hi Afifa >>If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata >>then he cannot be an individual member? He should already be involved. >> >>M :) >>On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas >><<mailto:afifa.abbas118@gmail.com>afifa.abbas118(a)gmail.com > wrote: >>Hi All, >>I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very >>passionate. He reached out to me for an outreach. >>I totally support their application. >>Regards, >>Afifa >>On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani >>* <<mailto:pavan@namesphere.asia>pavan(a)namesphere.asia> wrote: >>Please check the answers below, Staff there are >>some with a N/A, please help get that information >>* Do they allow individual members?Yes >> Institutional members? N/A >>* What is size of their membership at this >>time? What proportion of their membership are individuals? >>(10) in Board of Trustees >>(3) Audit Committee >>(5) in Board of Directors >>(35) other membersÃÂ¢ >>* Can individual members assume leadership positions? >> >>N/A >>Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :) >>Thanks so much! >>Pavan >> >>On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote: >> >>* Do they allow individual members? Institutional members? >>* What is size of their membership at this >>time? What proportion of their membership are individuals? >>* Can individual members assume leadership positions? >> >_______________________________________________ >APAC-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > >Homepage for the region: <http://www.apralo.org>http://www.apralo.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >APAC-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > >Homepage for the region: <http://www.apralo.org>http://www.apralo.org > > >_______________________________________________ >APAC-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > >Homepage for the region: <http://www.apralo.org>http://www.apralo.org > > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Disposition: inline >X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: > >1;YQXPR0101MB1589;27:Srfkh4jMTPJ8WrxeOjAtIRChc2heIjw3LAdbzOGXCvdx1BezzRbmYrvdWadnewu8QLX8BJPKAb1bz094UVqi4ed+ARFWi4WxLGqU3igsvebpIbwjEIbbPVhKGHN+LcAw >X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: > >eAoV1FU3698VoYJnX1zhvZvia4i32P9ShSYIKBLKzac/FRZUG47oH6l/a9j76W4EMLQlRwOTqhhtGAjMG33SZXNxKk78AHCa3enFknSapNOyM0ylJFAKm9T8aPA75+NX9Ie936+2z8E31pW/NoyR7g== > >_______________________________________________ >APAC-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > >Homepage for the region: <http://www.apralo.org/>http://www.apralo.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >APAC-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > >Homepage for the region: <http://www.apralo.org>http://www.apralo.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >APAC-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > >Homepage for the region: <http://www.apralo.org>http://www.apralo.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >APAC-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > >Homepage for the region: <http://www.apralo.org>http://www.apralo.org > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Disposition: inline >X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: > >1;YQXPR0101MB1589;27:uMj0BLUhE27piBfr4+JaKSWpv5Bw2d7gnrp38ADwQMfiQoGM3Vv1OZEXKQIQbKXrj5DM9dSbpoujGHo1XYItD2TtRkRtDJSo8ym90yTHeP79mDB2qr3dSlUAsF1i3qN5 >X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: > >/RWePDCGUj8JIP3hmEqExEuluNPxAxeY3ZtkzdWDh9MeEJXhgRpOflq2RpmMNmn2vEgJm55tKcmg9S65oEshASaSOH9DTFbAzXwQqzYRqHFCxR5BFCX3lm2hYEpJJHutUbUJjU7yzlqAT5Ij/W8Szg== > >_______________________________________________ >APAC-Discuss mailing list >APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > >Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications
by Alan Greenberg Dec. 3, 2017

Dec. 3, 2017

All good questions. I can even add another. Is there any harm in a person becoming an individual member who is a member of an ALS, but is not active in that ALS's activities with respect to being an ALS. That situation could have applied to me - I was an individual member, but was also historically a member of an ISOC Chapter, but only because I had ticked off a box on a web form, not because I was active in it in any way. Would there have been any harm in my continuing to be a "member" of that ALS? Ultimately, these are issues that either all RALOs must address, or perhaps we will come up with a uniform cross-RALO criteria. An important thing to keep in mind is that the overall target is to get people active in ICANN processes. Alan At 03/12/2017 01:30 AM, Maureen Hilyard wrote: >But should we get individual members to sign a >piece of paper that says that they officially do not belong to an ALS? > >This discussion is important as APRALO seeks to >confirm acceptable criteria for registration of >our ALSes (and any individual members who belong >to it and want to join in our discussions), as >well as those who are individual members not affiliated to any organisation. > >I like the example of our the Abu Dhabi >representative of our individual members - due >to her own personal interest in the work of >ICANN, Justine was already an active member of a >couple of working groups before she became a >formal individual member of APRALO. She was a >known entity and we have welcomed her >participation in our discussions as a regional >participant in the same way as we accept the >inputs of the individual members who >represent the interests of their ALSes. In past >discussions, APRALO raised the point that >individual members should already be actively >engaged before we register them. There has been >poor commitment by some of the individual >members we currently have on our list How do we deregister them? > >I can appreciate that sometimes people may not >be able to participate in an organisation that >meets face to face normally at a time and place >that is not convenient for everyone... and this >was the reason we encouraged individual members. >But leaving an ALS to become an individual member does not make sense to me. > >M >. > >On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Alan Greenberg ><<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: >One has to put these things in perspective and >to examine the effort involved vs the benefits and risks. > >Looking at an unrelated issue, ICANN directors >are subject to strict conflict of interest rules >because it is important that they not have a >personal interest when making decisions on >behalf of ICANN. But all we ask is that they >sign a piece of paper affirming what their >conflicts are (if any) and assuring that should >one arise, they will act properly. > >In the case of individual members, one has to >look at the risks of accepting people's word, >the harm it would cause, and now much it would >cost/difficulty to investigate further vs the benefits. > >Alan > > > > >At 02/12/2017 07:10 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote: > >>Sorry that was sent too early, accidentally >>This is really opening up a can of >>worms. have to take people's word on TRUST. >> >>It has already been intimated that we might >>need to get the membership lists of all our >>ALSes to check on whether people are >>legitimately NOT members - I can just imagine >>trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India. >> >>Becoming an individual member to be able to >>contribute on your own behalf rather than a >>group's view is legitimate, but how does a >>single person compete against a chartered >>organisation for regional funds to do outreach >>so that they can fulfil the other ICANN expectations of ALses? >>ÃKeeping the community of individual Internet >>users informed about the significant news from ICANN >>ÃPromoting outreach activities in the >>community of individual Internet users >>ÃDistributing (through posting or otherwise) >>an updated agenda, news about ICANN, and >>information about items in the ICANN policy-development process >>ÃDeveloping and maintaining on-going >>information and education programs, regarding ICANN and its work >>ÃMaking public, and analyzing, ICANN's >>proposed policies and its decisions and their >>(potential)regional impact and (potential) >>effect on individuals in the region; >>I started to make mention of the fact that we >>could have to ask people who have disagreements >>with their ALS managements and leave, that they >>may have to bring along a letter saying that >>they are no longer members. But what a hassle. >>But it is one of the thngs that I would like to >>discuss with an volunteers of a group of APRALO >>members to discuss ALS criteria, expectations and metrics. >>Anyone want to join, drop me a line, and I will >>get staff to create a wiki space for us. >>Maureen >> >>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Maureen Hilyard >><<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>This is really opening up a can of >>worms. have to take people's word on TRUST. >>It has already been intimated that we might >>need to get the membership lists of all our >>ALSes to check on whether people are >>legitimately NOT members - I can just imagine >>trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India. >>Becoming an individual member to be able to >>contribute on your own behalf rather than a >>group's view is legitimate, but how does a >>single person compete against a chartered >>organisation for regional funds to do outreach >>so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their bylaws of ALses? >>ÃKeeping the community of individual Internet >>users informed about the significant news from ICANN >>ÃPromoting outreach activities in the >>community of individual Internet users >>ÃDistributing (through posting or otherwise) >>an updated agenda, news about ICANN, and >>information about items in the ICANN policy-development process >>ÃDeveloping and maintaining on-going >>information and education programs, regarding ICANN and its work >> >> but we also have to be mindful, that if >> former ALS members leave an organisation, they >> may require a formal letter indicating that >> they are not longer a member as part of the >> RALO application process. This will >>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu >><<mailto:sb@inapp.com>sb(a)inapp.com> wrote: >>Thanks Rajnesh. >>The current mechanism is a self-declaration by >>the applicant. We have been finding that this >>doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, >>it is not always easy to keep track of the >>affiliations of organizations that a person is >>a member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing an example. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>satish >> >>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh >><<mailto:rajnesh.singh@gmail.com>rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com > wrote: >>So I wonder out loud what is the process to >>ensure that an individual applicant is not already a member via an ALS? >>This could get messy as one could belong to one >>of many ALSÃ¢ - like e I do for example. >>Sometimes hard to track, be aware of. >> >>Raj >> >>On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard >><<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>Hi Afifa >>If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata >>then he cannot be an individual member? He should already be involved. >> >>M :) >> >>On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas >><<mailto:afifa.abbas118@gmail.com>afifa.abbas118(a)gmail.com > wrote: >>Hi All, >>I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very >>passionate. He reached out to me for an outreach. >>I totally support their application. >>Regards, >>Afifa >>On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani >>* <<mailto:pavan@namesphere.asia>pavan(a)namesphere.asia> wrote: >>Please check the answers below, Staff there are >>some with a N/A, please help get that information >>* Do they allow individual members?Yes >> Institutional members? N/A >>* What is size of their membership at this >>time? What proportion of their membership are individuals? >>(10) in Board of Trustees >>(3) Audit Committee >>(5) in Board of Directors >>(35) other membersÃ¢ >> >>* Can individual members assume leadership positions? >> >>N/A >>Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :) >>Thanks so much! >>Pavan >> >> >>On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote: >> >>* Do they allow individual members? Institutional members? >>* What is size of their membership at this >>time? What proportion of their membership are individuals? >>* Can individual members assume leadership positions? >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>APAC-Discuss mailing list >><mailto:APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >> >>Homepage for the region: <http://www.apralo.org>http://www.apralo.org >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>APAC-Discuss mailing list >><mailto:APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >> >>Homepage for the region: <http://www.apralo.org>http://www.apralo.org >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>APAC-Discuss mailing list >><mailto:APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >> >>Homepage for the region: <http://www.apralo.org>http://www.apralo.org >> >> >> >> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Content-Disposition: inline >>X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: >> >>1;YQXPR0101MB1589;27:Srfkh4jMTPJ8WrxeOjAtIRChc2heIjw3LAdbzOGXCvdx1BezzRbmYrvdWadnewu8QLX8BJPKAb1bz094UVqi4ed+ARFWi4WxLGqU3igsvebpIbwjEIbbPVhKGHN+LcAw >>X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: >> >>eAoV1FU3698VoYJnX1zhvZvia4i32P9ShSYIKBLKzac/FRZUG47oH6l/a9j76W4EMLQlRwOTqhhtGAjMG33SZXNxKk78AHCa3enFknSapNOyM0ylJFAKm9T8aPA75+NX9Ie936+2z8E31pW/NoyR7g== >> >>_______________________________________________ >>APAC-Discuss mailing list >><mailto:APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >> >>Homepage for the region: <http://www.apralo.org/>http://www.apralo.org >

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications
by Alan Greenberg Dec. 3, 2017

Dec. 3, 2017

One has to put these things in perspective and to examine the effort involved vs the benefits and risks. Looking at an unrelated issue, ICANN directors are subject to strict conflict of interest rules because it is important that they not have a personal interest when making decisions on behalf of ICANN. But all we ask is that they sign a piece of paper affirming what their conflicts are (if any) and assuring that should one arise, they will act properly. In the case of individual members, one has to look at the risks of accepting people's word, the harm it would cause, and now much it would cost/difficulty to investigate further vs the benefits. Alan At 02/12/2017 07:10 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote: >Sorry that was sent too early, accidentally This >is really opening up a can of worms. have to take people's word on TRUST. > >It has already been intimated that we might need >to get the membership lists of all our ALSes to >check on whether people are legitimately NOT >members - I can just imagine trying to keep >track of the members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India. > >Becoming an individual member to be able to >contribute on your own behalf rather than a >group's view is legitimate, but how does a >single person compete against a chartered >organisation for regional funds to do outreach >so that they can fulfil the other ICANN expectations of ALses? >ÃKeeping the community of individual Internet >users informed about the significant news from ICANN >ÃPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet users >ÃDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an >updated agenda, news about ICANN, and >information about items in the ICANN policy-development process >ÃDeveloping and maintaining on-going >information and education programs, regarding ICANN and its work >ÃMaking public, and analyzing, ICANN's proposed >policies and its decisions and their >(potential)regional impact and (potential) >effect on individuals in the region; >I started to make mention of the fact that we >could have to ask people who have disagreements >with their ALS managements and leave, that they >may have to bring along a letter saying that >they are no longer members. But what a hassle. >But it is one of the thngs that I would like to >discuss with an volunteers of a group of APRALO >members to discuss ALS criteria, expectations and metrics. >Anyone want to join, drop me a line, and I will >get staff to create a wiki space for us. >Maureen > >On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Maureen Hilyard ><<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> wrote: >This is really opening up a can of worms. have >to take people's word on TRUST. > >It has already been intimated that we might need >to get the membership lists of all our ALSes to >check on whether people are legitimately NOT >members - I can just imagine trying to keep >track of the members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India. > >Becoming an individual member to be able to >contribute on your own behalf rather than a >group's view is legitimate, but how does a >single person compete against a chartered >organisation for regional funds to do outreach >so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their bylaws of ALses? > >ÃKeeping the community of individual Internet >users informed about the significant news from ICANN >ÃPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet users >ÃDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an >updated agenda, news about ICANN, and >information about items in the ICANN policy-development process >ÃDeveloping and maintaining on-going >information and education programs, regarding ICANN and its work > > > > but we also have to be mindful, that if > former ALS members leave an organisation, they > may require a formal letter indicating that > they are not longer a member as part of the > RALO application process. This will > >On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu ><<mailto:sb@inapp.com>sb(a)inapp.com> wrote: >Thanks Rajnesh. > >The current mechanism is a self-declaration by >the applicant. We have been finding that this >doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it >is not always easy to keep track of the >affiliations of organizations that a person is a >member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing an example. > > > > > > > >satish > > >On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh ><<mailto:rajnesh.singh@gmail.com>rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com> wrote: >So I wonder out loud what is the process to >ensure that an individual applicant is not already a member via an ALS? >This could get messy as one could belong to one >of many ALSâ - like I do for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of. > >Raj > > >On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard ><<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Hi Afifa > >If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata >then he cannot be an individual member? He should already be involved. > >M :) > >On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas ><<mailto:afifa.abbas118@gmail.com>afifa.abbas118(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Hi All, > >I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very >passionate. He reached out to me for an outreach. >I totally support their application. >Regards, >Afifa > >On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani >* <<mailto:pavan@namesphere.asia>pavan(a)namesphere.asia> wrote: >Please check the answers below, Staff there are >some with a N/A, please help get that information > >* Do they allow individual members?Yes > Institutional members? N/A > >* What is size of their membership at this time? >What proportion of their membership are individuals? >(10) in Board of Trustees > >(3) Audit Committee > >(5) in Board of Directors > >(35) other membersâ > > >* Can individual members assume leadership positions? > >N/A > >Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :) > >Thanks so much! > >Pavan > > > >On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote: > >* Do they allow individual members? Institutional members? >* What is size of their membership at this time? >What proportion of their membership are individuals? >* Can individual members assume leadership positions? > > >_______________________________________________ >APAC-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > >Homepage for the region: <http://www.apralo.org>http://www.apralo.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >APAC-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > >Homepage for the region: <http://www.apralo.org>http://www.apralo.org > > >_______________________________________________ >APAC-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > >Homepage for the region: <http://www.apralo.org>http://www.apralo.org > > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Disposition: inline >X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: > >1;YQXPR0101MB1589;27:Srfkh4jMTPJ8WrxeOjAtIRChc2heIjw3LAdbzOGXCvdx1BezzRbmYrvdWadnewu8QLX8BJPKAb1bz094UVqi4ed+ARFWi4WxLGqU3igsvebpIbwjEIbbPVhKGHN+LcAw >X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: > >eAoV1FU3698VoYJnX1zhvZvia4i32P9ShSYIKBLKzac/FRZUG47oH6l/a9j76W4EMLQlRwOTqhhtGAjMG33SZXNxKk78AHCa3enFknSapNOyM0ylJFAKm9T8aPA75+NX9Ie936+2z8E31pW/NoyR7g== > >_______________________________________________ >APAC-Discuss mailing list >APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > >Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org

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FW: Buddha Halder and APRALO Individual Membership
by Evin Erdogdu Dec. 3, 2017

Dec. 3, 2017

Dear All, Please see below. Buddha Halder does not qualify for APRALO Individual Membership at this time. Thank you, Evin From: Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> Date: Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:47 PM To: Buddha Halder <bhalder134(a)gmail.com> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: Please Confirm Membership Status Dear Buddha, Thank you for informing us. Unfortunately, this disqualifies you from APRALO Individual Membership. If you become unaffiliated with the ALS in the future, please feel free to re-apply for individual membership. In the meantime, we look forward to engaging you further within APRALO. Kind Regards, Evin From: Buddha Halder <bhalder134(a)gmail.com> Date: Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:07 PM To: Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> Subject: [Ext] Re: Please Confirm Membership Status Hi, I am an ISOC member. Regards, Buddha Sent from my iPhone On 27-Nov-2017, at 7:23 PM, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org<mailto:evin.erdogdu@icann.org>> wrote: Dear Buddha, Thanks again for your interest in applying as an Individual Member of APRALO. We need confirmation from you on one item before proceeding with your confirmation: Are you currently a member of an ISOC or At-Large Structure (ALS)? Only Individuals without ALS affiliation are allowed to apply as Individual Members. Please let us know as soon as possible. Thank you! Evin Ashley Erdoğdu AC/SO and Policy Support Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)

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APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications
by Pavan Budhrani * Dec. 3, 2017

Dec. 3, 2017

Dear APRALO,   We have an APRALO ALS application from Yemeni Organization for Development and Exchange Technology (YODET).  I have summarized some of the main information here from their DD. Let me know if you require anymore information "“Yemeni Organization for Development and Empowerment in Technology (YODET) is a nongovernmental non-profit organization (…) implementing its programs through a number of centers in several Yemeni governorates associated with partners (…) YODET was established in May 2015 and was officially licensed under registration number ( 15 م†42 ) issued on December 16, 2015 by the Ministry of Social Affairs.” YODET is a nongovernmental organization (NGO) receiving funding from nongovernmental sources, reliant upon a network of local partners to facilitate local activity   What is the primary source, or sources, of funding for your Organization? (if unfunded/entirely voluntary simply indicate “N/A”):International, regional and national grants.”   Has your organization set up any event, meeting, or real-life activity pertaining to Internet governance issues, or other issues related to the interests of individual users?   Yes   If yes, please provide examples:   YNEXT Project that provides internet hubs to journalists and rights activists in conflict zones.   d. Has your organization been active in international, regional or national Internet governance issues? Yes   If yes, please provide examples:   Board Directors participated in Internet Governance Schools and Forums.”   We also have Two Individual Applicants, Hanan Khatib and Buddha Halder, are also awaiting APRALO Feedback. Please find their 2 applications attached here. Please let me know your decision by the end of the week. Pavan Budhrani

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual
by Justine Chew Dec. 3, 2017

Dec. 3, 2017

Good mornin, all. Hi Maureen, I completely agree with you on the point of trust. This goes back to my original question of ... "What happened to the requirement for each individual member applicant to submit an undertaking that he/she is not (or at least, no longer) a member of an affiliated ALS? " Also I believe this undertaking includes one which says that if an individual member of a RALO then becomes a member of an ALS, he/she forfeits his/her individual membership. So this offers an "exit" mechanism. Of course policing this is a separate effort -- I guess trust in the undertaking is a logical way to go and if there is evidence of the contrary (obtained independently of the applicant/individual member) (ie due diligence) then action should be taken to address that conflict. On 3 Dec 2017 8:11 am, <apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: Send APAC-Discuss mailing list submissions to apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org You can reach the person managing the list at apac-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of APAC-Discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications (Maureen Hilyard) 2. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications (Maureen Hilyard) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> To: Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com> Cc: APRALO <apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Anupam Agrawal < anupamagrawal.in(a)gmail.com> Bcc: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 14:03:08 -1000 Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications This is really opening up a can of worms. have to take people's word on TRUST. It has already been intimated that we might need to get the membership lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately NOT members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India. Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own behalf rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single person compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do outreach so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their bylaws of ALses? ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed about the significant news from ICANN ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet users ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news about ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development process ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education programs, regarding ICANN and its work but we also have to be mindful, that if former ALS members leave an organisation, they may require a formal letter indicating that they are not longer a member as part of the RALO application process. This will On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com> wrote: > Thanks Rajnesh. > > The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We have been > finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it is not > always easy to keep track of the affiliations of organizations that a > person is a member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing > an example. > > > > > > > > satish > > > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual >> applicant is not already a member via an ALS? >> This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS’ - like I do >> for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of. >> >> Raj >> >> >> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard < >> maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Afifa >>> >>> If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an >>> individual member? He should already be involved. >>> >>> M :) >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out >>>> to me for an outreach. >>>> I totally support their application. >>>> Regards, >>>> Afifa >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * < >>>> pavan(a)namesphere.asia> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A, >>>>> please help get that information >>>>> >>>>> * Do they allow individual members?Yes >>>>> Institutional members? N/A >>>>> >>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>>>> their membership are individuals? >>>>> (10) in Board of Trustees >>>>> >>>>> (3) Audit Committee >>>>> >>>>> (5) in Board of Directors >>>>> >>>>> (35) other members” >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>>>> >>>>> N/A >>>>> >>>>> Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>> >>>>> Pavan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members? >>>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>>>>> their membership are individuals? >>>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>>>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>>>> >>>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>>> >>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>> >>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> To: Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com> Cc: APRALO <apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Anupam Agrawal < anupamagrawal.in(a)gmail.com> Bcc: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 14:10:24 -1000 Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications Sorry that was sent too early, accidentally This is really opening up a can of worms. have to take people's word on TRUST. It has already been intimated that we might need to get the membership lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately NOT members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India. Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own behalf rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single person compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do outreach so that they can fulfil the other ICANN expectations of ALses? ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed about the significant news from ICANN ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet users ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news about ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development process ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education programs, regarding ICANN and its work ØMaking public, and analyzing, ICANN's proposed policies and its decisions and their (potential)regional impact and (potential) effect on individuals in the region; I started to make mention of the fact that we could have to ask people who have disagreements with their ALS managements and leave, that they may have to bring along a letter saying that they are no longer members. But what a hassle. But it is one of the thngs that I would like to discuss with an volunteers of a group of APRALO members to discuss ALS criteria, expectations and metrics. Anyone want to join, drop me a line, and I will get staff to create a wiki space for us. Maureen On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This is really opening up a can of worms. have to take people's word on > TRUST. > > It has already been intimated that we might need to get the membership > lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately NOT > members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC > or any ISOC In India. > > Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own behalf > rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single person > compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do outreach > so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their bylaws of > ALses? > > ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed about the > significant news from ICANN > ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet > users > ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news > about ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development > process > ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education programs, > regarding ICANN and its work > > > > but we also have to be mindful, that if former ALS members leave an > organisation, they may require a formal letter indicating that they are not > longer a member as part of the RALO application process. This will > > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Rajnesh. >> >> The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We have >> been finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it is >> not always easy to keep track of the affiliations of organizations that a >> person is a member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing >> an example. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> satish >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual >>> applicant is not already a member via an ALS? >>> This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS’ - like I do >>> for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of. >>> >>> Raj >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard < >>> maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Afifa >>>> >>>> If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an >>>> individual member? He should already be involved. >>>> >>>> M :) >>>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out >>>>> to me for an outreach. >>>>> I totally support their application. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Afifa >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * < >>>>> pavan(a)namesphere.asia> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A, >>>>>> please help get that information >>>>>> >>>>>> * Do they allow individual members?Yes >>>>>> Institutional members? N/A >>>>>> >>>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>>>>> their membership are individuals? >>>>>> (10) in Board of Trustees >>>>>> >>>>>> (3) Audit Committee >>>>>> >>>>>> (5) in Board of Directors >>>>>> >>>>>> (35) other members” >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>>>>> >>>>>> N/A >>>>>> >>>>>> Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>>> >>>>>> Pavan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members? >>>>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>>>>>> their membership are individuals? >>>>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>>>>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>>>>> >>>>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>>>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>>>> >>>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>>> >>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ APAC-Discuss mailing list APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications
by Justine Chew Dec. 2, 2017

Dec. 2, 2017

Hi Satish, Again, I understand the context of and need for due diligence. Perhaps in moving forward with framing the rules pertaining to individual membership applications, there be further consideration for a solution to Raj's question about verification -- asking the applicant himself/herself for clarification on the issue of membership in an affiliated ALS isn't strictly due diligence. Due diligence should ideally be something that can be carried out without the intervention of the applicant. On that note, I bid you a good night. Justine On 2 Dec 2017 9:58 pm, <apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: Send APAC-Discuss mailing list submissions to apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org You can reach the person managing the list at apac-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of APAC-Discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications (Satish Babu) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Satish Babu <sbabu(a)ieee.org> To: Justine Chew <justine.chew(a)gmail.com> Cc: "apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" < apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Bcc: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 19:27:18 +0530 Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications Thanks Justine. There is a due diligence process for all applications, ALS or individual member. However, for individual members, we tend to go ahead based on the self-declaration in order to make it a light-weight process. As discussed in the GA, we will shortly be framing rules for all aspects of individual membership. The rigour of the due diligence process is something that we can consider while framing the rules. satish On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Justine Chew <justine.chew(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Satish, > > I understand and agree with you conceptually. However my question points > to a step in the application process as opposed to the further > clarification requested in evaluating an (incomplete?) application, which > is what appears to have happened with Buddha. > > Justine > > On 2 Dec 2017 9:43 pm, <apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > wrote: > > Send APAC-Discuss mailing list submissions to > apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > apac-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of APAC-Discuss digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual > Applications (Satish Babu) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com> > To: Justine Chew <justine.chew(a)gmail.com> > Cc: "apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.ic > ann.org> > Bcc: > Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 19:12:07 +0530 > Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual > Applications > > > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Justine Chew <justine.chew(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> What happened to the requirement for each individual member applicant to >> submit an undertaking that he/she is not (or at least, no longer) a member >> of an affiliated ALS? >> > > Justine, > > That is the same self-declaration that I was referring to. > > > > > > satish > > > > >> >> Justine >> >> On 2 Dec 2017 9:27 pm, <apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> wrote: >> >> Send APAC-Discuss mailing list submissions to >> apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> apac-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of APAC-Discuss digest..." >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual >> Applications (Rajnesh Singh) >> 2. Re: FW: Buddha Halder and APRALO Individual Membership >> (Rajnesh Singh) >> 3. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual >> Applications (Satish Babu) >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com> >> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> >> Cc: Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com>, APRALO <apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.ic >> ann.org>, Anupam Agrawal <anupamagrawal.in(a)gmail.com> >> Bcc: >> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 12:58:29 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual >> Applications >> So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual >> applicant is not already a member via an ALS? >> This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS’ - like I do >> for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of. >> >> Raj >> >> >> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard < >> maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Afifa >>> >>> If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an >>> individual member? He should already be involved. >>> >>> M :) >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out >>>> to me for an outreach. >>>> I totally support their application. >>>> Regards, >>>> Afifa >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * < >>>> pavan(a)namesphere.asia> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A, >>>>> please help get that information >>>>> >>>>> * Do they allow individual members?Yes >>>>> Institutional members? N/A >>>>> >>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>>>> their membership are individuals? >>>>> (10) in Board of Trustees >>>>> >>>>> (3) Audit Committee >>>>> >>>>> (5) in Board of Directors >>>>> >>>>> (35) other members” >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>>>> >>>>> N/A >>>>> >>>>> Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>> >>>>> Pavan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members? >>>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>>>>> their membership are individuals? >>>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>>>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>>>> >>>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>>> >>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>> >>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com> >> To: Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> >> Cc: Anupam Agrawal <anupamagrawal.in(a)gmail.com>, APRALO < >> apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com> >> Bcc: >> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 13:09:53 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] FW: Buddha Halder and APRALO Individual >> Membership >> Hi Evin, >> >> I may be being a bit pedantic here, but your question to Buddha is not >> phrased correctly. >> You ask: >> “*Are you currently a member of an ISOC or At-Large Structure (ALS)?”* >> >> ISOC is not an ALS. Individual ISOC chapters in their own right (and only >> some, not all) are. >> >> Raj >> >> >> >> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 10:50 pm, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> >>> >>> Please see below. Buddha Halder does not qualify for APRALO Individual >>> Membership at this time. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Evin >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> >>> *Date: *Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:47 PM >>> *To: *Buddha Halder <bhalder134(a)gmail.com> >>> *Cc: *ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >>> *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Re: Please Confirm Membership Status >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Buddha, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you for informing us. Unfortunately, this disqualifies you from >>> APRALO Individual Membership. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you become unaffiliated with the ALS in the future, please feel free >>> to re-apply for individual membership. >>> >>> >>> >>> In the meantime, we look forward to engaging you further within APRALO. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> Evin >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *Buddha Halder <bhalder134(a)gmail.com> >>> *Date: *Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:07 PM >>> *To: *Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> >>> *Cc: *ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >>> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: Please Confirm Membership Status >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am an ISOC member. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Buddha >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On 27-Nov-2017, at 7:23 PM, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Buddha, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks again for your interest in applying as an Individual Member of >>> APRALO. We need confirmation from you on one item before proceeding with >>> your confirmation: >>> >>> >>> >>> *Are you currently a member of an ISOC or At-Large Structure (ALS)?* >>> >>> >>> >>> Only Individuals without ALS affiliation are allowed to apply as >>> Individual Members. Please let us know as soon as possible. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> >>> >>> Evin Ashley Erdoğdu >>> >>> AC/SO and Policy Support >>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>> >>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com> >> To: Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com> >> Cc: APRALO <apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Anupam Agrawal < >> anupamagrawal.in(a)gmail.com> >> Bcc: >> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 18:56:45 +0530 >> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual >> Applications >> Thanks Rajnesh. >> >> The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We have >> been finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it is >> not always easy to keep track of the affiliations of organizations that a >> person is a member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing >> an example. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> satish >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual >>> applicant is not already a member via an ALS? >>> This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS’ - like I do >>> for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of. >>> >>> Raj >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard < >>> maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Afifa >>>> >>>> If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an >>>> individual member? He should already be involved. >>>> >>>> M :) >>>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out >>>>> to me for an outreach. >>>>> I totally support their application. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Afifa >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * < >>>>> pavan(a)namesphere.asia> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A, >>>>>> please help get that information >>>>>> >>>>>> * Do they allow individual members?Yes >>>>>> Institutional members? N/A >>>>>> >>>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>>>>> their membership are individuals? >>>>>> (10) in Board of Trustees >>>>>> >>>>>> (3) Audit Committee >>>>>> >>>>>> (5) in Board of Directors >>>>>> >>>>>> (35) other members” >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>>>>> >>>>>> N/A >>>>>> >>>>>> Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>>> >>>>>> Pavan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members? >>>>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>>>>>> their membership are individuals? >>>>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>>>>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>>>>> >>>>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>>>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>>>> >>>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>>> >>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> APAC-Discuss mailing list >> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> APAC-Discuss mailing list >> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >> >> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > APAC-Discuss mailing list > APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > APAC-Discuss mailing list > APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > > Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org > _______________________________________________ APAC-Discuss mailing list APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications
by Justine Chew Dec. 2, 2017

Dec. 2, 2017

Satish, I understand and agree with you conceptually. However my question points to a step in the application process as opposed to the further clarification requested in evaluating an (incomplete?) application, which is what appears to have happened with Buddha. Justine On 2 Dec 2017 9:43 pm, <apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: Send APAC-Discuss mailing list submissions to apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org You can reach the person managing the list at apac-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of APAC-Discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications (Satish Babu) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com> To: Justine Chew <justine.chew(a)gmail.com> Cc: "apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" < apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Bcc: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 19:12:07 +0530 Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Justine Chew <justine.chew(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > What happened to the requirement for each individual member applicant to > submit an undertaking that he/she is not (or at least, no longer) a member > of an affiliated ALS? > Justine, That is the same self-declaration that I was referring to. satish > > Justine > > On 2 Dec 2017 9:27 pm, <apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > wrote: > > Send APAC-Discuss mailing list submissions to > apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > apac-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of APAC-Discuss digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual > Applications (Rajnesh Singh) > 2. Re: FW: Buddha Halder and APRALO Individual Membership > (Rajnesh Singh) > 3. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual > Applications (Satish Babu) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com> > To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> > Cc: Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com>, APRALO <apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.ic > ann.org>, Anupam Agrawal <anupamagrawal.in(a)gmail.com> > Bcc: > Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 12:58:29 +0000 > Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual > Applications > So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual > applicant is not already a member via an ALS? > This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS’ - like I do > for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of. > > Raj > > > On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Afifa >> >> If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an >> individual member? He should already be involved. >> >> M :) >> >> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out >>> to me for an outreach. >>> I totally support their application. >>> Regards, >>> Afifa >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * <pavan(a)namesphere.asia >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A, please >>>> help get that information >>>> >>>> * Do they allow individual members?Yes >>>> Institutional members? N/A >>>> >>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>>> their membership are individuals? >>>> (10) in Board of Trustees >>>> >>>> (3) Audit Committee >>>> >>>> (5) in Board of Directors >>>> >>>> (35) other members” >>>> >>>> >>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>>> >>>> N/A >>>> >>>> Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :) >>>> >>>> Thanks so much! >>>> >>>> Pavan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members? >>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>>>> their membership are individuals? >>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>>> >>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>> >>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> APAC-Discuss mailing list >> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >> >> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com> > To: Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> > Cc: Anupam Agrawal <anupamagrawal.in(a)gmail.com>, APRALO < > apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com> > Bcc: > Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 13:09:53 +0000 > Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] FW: Buddha Halder and APRALO Individual > Membership > Hi Evin, > > I may be being a bit pedantic here, but your question to Buddha is not > phrased correctly. > You ask: > “*Are you currently a member of an ISOC or At-Large Structure (ALS)?”* > > ISOC is not an ALS. Individual ISOC chapters in their own right (and only > some, not all) are. > > Raj > > > > On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 10:50 pm, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> > wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> >> >> Please see below. Buddha Halder does not qualify for APRALO Individual >> Membership at this time. >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Evin >> >> >> >> *From: *Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> >> *Date: *Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:47 PM >> *To: *Buddha Halder <bhalder134(a)gmail.com> >> *Cc: *ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >> *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Re: Please Confirm Membership Status >> >> >> >> Dear Buddha, >> >> >> >> Thank you for informing us. Unfortunately, this disqualifies you from >> APRALO Individual Membership. >> >> >> >> If you become unaffiliated with the ALS in the future, please feel free >> to re-apply for individual membership. >> >> >> >> In the meantime, we look forward to engaging you further within APRALO. >> >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Evin >> >> >> >> *From: *Buddha Halder <bhalder134(a)gmail.com> >> *Date: *Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:07 PM >> *To: *Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> >> *Cc: *ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: Please Confirm Membership Status >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I am an ISOC member. >> >> Regards, >> >> Buddha >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On 27-Nov-2017, at 7:23 PM, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> wrote: >> >> Dear Buddha, >> >> >> >> Thanks again for your interest in applying as an Individual Member of >> APRALO. We need confirmation from you on one item before proceeding with >> your confirmation: >> >> >> >> *Are you currently a member of an ISOC or At-Large Structure (ALS)?* >> >> >> >> Only Individuals without ALS affiliation are allowed to apply as >> Individual Members. Please let us know as soon as possible. >> >> >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> >> Evin Ashley Erdoğdu >> >> AC/SO and Policy Support >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> APAC-Discuss mailing list >> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >> >> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com> > To: Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com> > Cc: APRALO <apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Anupam Agrawal < > anupamagrawal.in(a)gmail.com> > Bcc: > Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 18:56:45 +0530 > Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual > Applications > Thanks Rajnesh. > > The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We have been > finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it is not > always easy to keep track of the affiliations of organizations that a > person is a member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing > an example. > > > > > > > > satish > > > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual >> applicant is not already a member via an ALS? >> This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS’ - like I do >> for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of. >> >> Raj >> >> >> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard < >> maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Afifa >>> >>> If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an >>> individual member? He should already be involved. >>> >>> M :) >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out >>>> to me for an outreach. >>>> I totally support their application. >>>> Regards, >>>> Afifa >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * < >>>> pavan(a)namesphere.asia> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A, >>>>> please help get that information >>>>> >>>>> * Do they allow individual members?Yes >>>>> Institutional members? N/A >>>>> >>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>>>> their membership are individuals? >>>>> (10) in Board of Trustees >>>>> >>>>> (3) Audit Committee >>>>> >>>>> (5) in Board of Directors >>>>> >>>>> (35) other members” >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>>>> >>>>> N/A >>>>> >>>>> Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>> >>>>> Pavan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members? >>>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>>>>> their membership are individuals? >>>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>>>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>>>> >>>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>>> >>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>> >>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > APAC-Discuss mailing list > APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > APAC-Discuss mailing list > APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > > Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org > _______________________________________________ APAC-Discuss mailing list APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss

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Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications
by Justine Chew Dec. 2, 2017

Dec. 2, 2017

Interesting and valid question, Raj. What happened to the requirement for each individual member applicant to submit an undertaking that he/she is not (or at least, no longer) a member of an affiliated ALS? Justine On 2 Dec 2017 9:27 pm, <apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: Send APAC-Discuss mailing list submissions to apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to apac-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org You can reach the person managing the list at apac-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of APAC-Discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications (Rajnesh Singh) 2. Re: FW: Buddha Halder and APRALO Individual Membership (Rajnesh Singh) 3. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications (Satish Babu) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> Cc: Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com>, APRALO <apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Anupam Agrawal <anupamagrawal.in(a)gmail.com> Bcc: Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 12:58:29 +0000 Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual applicant is not already a member via an ALS? This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS’ - like I do for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of. Raj On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Afifa > > If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an > individual member? He should already be involved. > > M :) > > On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out to >> me for an outreach. >> I totally support their application. >> Regards, >> Afifa >> >> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * <pavan(a)namesphere.asia> >> wrote: >> >>> Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A, please >>> help get that information >>> >>> * Do they allow individual members?Yes >>> Institutional members? N/A >>> >>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>> their membership are individuals? >>> (10) in Board of Trustees >>> >>> (3) Audit Committee >>> >>> (5) in Board of Directors >>> >>> (35) other members” >>> >>> >>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>> >>> N/A >>> >>> Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :) >>> >>> Thanks so much! >>> >>> Pavan >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members? >>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>>> their membership are individuals? >>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>> >>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> APAC-Discuss mailing list >> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >> >> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > APAC-Discuss mailing list > APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > > Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com> To: Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> Cc: Anupam Agrawal <anupamagrawal.in(a)gmail.com>, APRALO < apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com> Bcc: Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 13:09:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] FW: Buddha Halder and APRALO Individual Membership Hi Evin, I may be being a bit pedantic here, but your question to Buddha is not phrased correctly. You ask: “*Are you currently a member of an ISOC or At-Large Structure (ALS)?”* ISOC is not an ALS. Individual ISOC chapters in their own right (and only some, not all) are. Raj On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 10:50 pm, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> wrote: > Dear All, > > > > Please see below. Buddha Halder does not qualify for APRALO Individual > Membership at this time. > > > > Thank you, > > Evin > > > > *From: *Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> > *Date: *Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:47 PM > *To: *Buddha Halder <bhalder134(a)gmail.com> > *Cc: *ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> > *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Re: Please Confirm Membership Status > > > > Dear Buddha, > > > > Thank you for informing us. Unfortunately, this disqualifies you from > APRALO Individual Membership. > > > > If you become unaffiliated with the ALS in the future, please feel free to > re-apply for individual membership. > > > > In the meantime, we look forward to engaging you further within APRALO. > > > > Kind Regards, > > Evin > > > > *From: *Buddha Halder <bhalder134(a)gmail.com> > *Date: *Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:07 PM > *To: *Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> > *Cc: *ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> > *Subject: *[Ext] Re: Please Confirm Membership Status > > > > Hi, > > I am an ISOC member. > > Regards, > > Buddha > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 27-Nov-2017, at 7:23 PM, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu(a)icann.org> wrote: > > Dear Buddha, > > > > Thanks again for your interest in applying as an Individual Member of > APRALO. We need confirmation from you on one item before proceeding with > your confirmation: > > > > *Are you currently a member of an ISOC or At-Large Structure (ALS)?* > > > > Only Individuals without ALS affiliation are allowed to apply as > Individual Members. Please let us know as soon as possible. > > > > Thank you! > > > > Evin Ashley Erdoğdu > > AC/SO and Policy Support > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > APAC-Discuss mailing list > APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > > Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com> To: Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com> Cc: APRALO <apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Anupam Agrawal < anupamagrawal.in(a)gmail.com> Bcc: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 18:56:45 +0530 Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications Thanks Rajnesh. The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We have been finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it is not always easy to keep track of the affiliations of organizations that a person is a member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing an example. satish On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual > applicant is not already a member via an ALS? > This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS’ - like I do > for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of. > > Raj > > > On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Afifa >> >> If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an >> individual member? He should already be involved. >> >> M :) >> >> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out >>> to me for an outreach. >>> I totally support their application. >>> Regards, >>> Afifa >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * <pavan(a)namesphere.asia >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A, please >>>> help get that information >>>> >>>> * Do they allow individual members?Yes >>>> Institutional members? N/A >>>> >>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>>> their membership are individuals? >>>> (10) in Board of Trustees >>>> >>>> (3) Audit Committee >>>> >>>> (5) in Board of Directors >>>> >>>> (35) other members” >>>> >>>> >>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>>> >>>> N/A >>>> >>>> Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :) >>>> >>>> Thanks so much! >>>> >>>> Pavan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members? >>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of >>>>> their membership are individuals? >>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions? >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>>> >>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>> >>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> APAC-Discuss mailing list >> APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >> >> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org > > _______________________________________________ APAC-Discuss mailing list APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss

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IMPORTANT DOODLE: At-Large Briefing Call on Consumer Safeguards
by ICANN At-Large Staff Dec. 1, 2017

Dec. 1, 2017

Dear All, At the request of Alan Greenberg, Chair of the ALAC, an At-Large Briefing Call on Consumer Safeguards is being organized. Speakers include Bryan Schilling, ICANN Consumer Safeguards Director, who will be providing an update on ICANN consumer safeguard activities, and Trang Nguyen, VP, Strategic Programs who will be presenting on consumer safeguards and registrants. Please complete this Doodle poll to find a suitable date and time, week commencing 11 December 2017. Doodle Link: https://doodle.com/poll/yzgstiftt3y9bfg7 French and Spanish interpretation will be provided. Thank you. Kind regards, At-Large Staff ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Website: atlarge.icann.org<https://atlarge.icann.org/> Facebook: facebook.com/icannatlarge<https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ICANNAtLarge<https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> [id:image001.png@01D36AAF.08A5EFF0]

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