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Comments on the ALAC response to the mid-term consultation report
by Alan Greenberg Dec. 12, 2008

Dec. 12, 2008

Admittedly at the last moment, I have a few comments on the draft document (https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_alac_response_to_the_mid_point_co…) Regarding the ICANN planning process and ALAC (Item 5), it is clear that ALAC should be a part of the process, but at least a part (perhaps a large part) of ALAC activities will continue to be demand driven, either involvement with ongoing issues (see item 8) or activities driven by issues that rise to the top of user priorities (such as Domain tasting or the post-expiry redemption issue). Regarding involvement with the GNSO policy development process. I agree that the ALAC must be invited to participate. It should not be REQUIRED to, as there will always be numerous consultations that we decide our not sufficiently important to our community to warrant the effort. This is identical to the way Constituencies are treated within the GNSO. Alan

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Weekly posting summary for alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten Dec. 12, 2008

Dec. 12, 2008

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ALAC vote on RAA now open -- and it sucks
by Danny Younger Dec. 12, 2008

Dec. 12, 2008

So who do we have to thank for the totally biased language below?!! The phrasing of Point #3 is an insult to everyone that has worked hard to draw attention to the great many flaws in the proposed RAA amendments package. On what basis was the determination made: "but the ICANN Board would probably not accept it"? That's a bunch of crap. The Board liaison did not bring forward that viewpoint, nor is there a record of correspondence with any Board members to assert that such is a board position. >From the ALAC Archives: "At the last ALAC meeting, it was decided to put the ALAC recommendation to the GNSO on the RAA package to an online vote. The online vote will remain open until Thursday, 18 December at 2359 UTC. Each member of the ALAC will shortly receive a private email with their voting credentials and a link to the online vote. They will be asked to choose between the following options: 1) Recommend the GNSO to defer because the briefing is required to understand the context 2) Recommend the GNSO to accept the current package, with the possibility of further work on amendments on issues remaining continues 3) Recommend the GNSO to reject the amendments package and start from square one, but the ICANN Board would probably not accept it 4) Abstain There's nothing more disgusting than the bald attempt to force through a position vis-a-vis poorly drafted available choices. It's contemptible.

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The ALAC Voting Process
by Danny Younger Dec. 11, 2008

Dec. 11, 2008

Cheryl, We have now had two consecutive ALAC Monthly Meetings in which a vote was introduced at the very last moment without the benefit of prior substantive on-line discussion, with the motions being drafted on the fly (specific motion language not being fully ready or well-articulated or available sufficiently in advance of the session). The ALAC voting process is not up to expected standards. You have Rules in place, but you are not following your own rules: ALAC-Rules of procedure (July4, 07) Rule 16 - Resolutions and Amendments 1. Draft resolutions and amendments may be proposed by the participants referred to in Rule 1 and shall be transmitted in writing to the Chairperson, which shall circulate copies to all participants. 2. Motions need to be seconded by another delegate. As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance to all participants. If you truly want individual user participation, then please allow the local ALSs and the Regionals to consider the propositions being voted upon by their representatives (elected and unelected) sufficiently in advance of the Monthly meeting.

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Re: [At-Large] Outrageous -- even more so.
by Bill Silverstein Dec. 10, 2008

Dec. 10, 2008

** Reply to note from Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:52:49 -0800 (PST) > > Today ICANN put up a notice indicating that it will hold community discussions in Washington DC > and Marina del Rey on the "Revisiting Vertical Separation of Registries and Registrars" report. > > When are these meetings? In 2 days in Washington, DC and one week later in California. > > Thanks to ICANN for the heads up. I'm sure that everyone in the non-contracted-parties world will > be able to drop whatever they are doing and rush to these events. Of course, no remote > participation is offered. > > The notice is here: http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-09dec08-en.htm It gets better. When I rsvp'd this is what I got back: "At this time detailed information is not available for the meeting scheduled on Friday, December 19, 2008 from 10:00 - 13:00 PST/18:00 - 21:00 UTC; we will notify you when the meeting logistics are finalized." So, where is the meeting??? ------------------------------------------------------ Who is General Error and why is he reading my drive?

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Outrageous
by Danny Younger Dec. 10, 2008

Dec. 10, 2008

Today ICANN put up a notice indicating that it will hold community discussions in Washington DC and Marina del Rey on the "Revisiting Vertical Separation of Registries and Registrars" report. When are these meetings? In 2 days in Washington, DC and one week later in California. Thanks to ICANN for the heads up. I'm sure that everyone in the non-contracted-parties world will be able to drop whatever they are doing and rush to these events. Of course, no remote participation is offered. The notice is here: http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-09dec08-en.htm

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Local police takes over domains from foreign countries
by Lutz Donnerhacke Dec. 10, 2008

Dec. 10, 2008

Hi, I just noticed a somewhat strange action of our local police department. The seemed to issue an order against a local registrar to change the domain owner located in a different country. Please note, that there is no court order. IMHO the police officer prefered to take over the domain instead of taking the domain down or (best case) requesting international administrative assistance. I might be wrong. My question is: Does the ICANN allow registrars to change the holder instead of setting the domain on "hold" in such a situation? Situation from 2008-11-30 (http://www.whois.de/currentWhois/view/bet3000.com) Domain Name:bet3000.com Created On:2003-06-02 15:18:55 Last Updated On:2008-06-03 03:32:10 Expiration Date:2009-06-02 15:18:55 Status:ok Registrant-ID:IBAL1-EPNIC Registrant-Name:International Betting Association Limited Registrant-Street:4 College Lane Registrant-City:Gibraltar Registrant-Postal-Code:4 College Registrant-Country:GI Registrant-Phone:+350.20052577 Registrant-FAX:+350.20052782 Registrant-Email:info@iba.gi Situation today (current whois) Domain Name:bet3000.com Created On:2003-06-02 15:18:55 Last Updated On:2008-12-02 10:32:26 Expiration Date:2010-12-01 04:59:59 Status:registrarHold Registrant-ID:BD512-EPNIC Registrant-Name:Juergen Buessow Registrant-Organisation:Bezirksregierung Duesseldorf Registrant-Street:Cecilienallee 2 Registrant-City:Duesseldorf Registrant-Postal-Code:40474 Registrant-Country:DE Registrant-Phone:+49.2114750 Registrant-Email:poststelle@brd.nrw.de

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Outrageous
by Danny Younger Dec. 10, 2008

Dec. 10, 2008

Just received this note from Paul Levins: Danny Thanks fro your call just now. I agree the notice was very short and I apologize for the short notice. Remote participation will be provided. If you RSVP there will be numbers sent to you and you will be able to participate that way. I am arranging for another notice to go out making it clear that there is remote particiaption Paul

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Re: [At-Large] Outrageous
by jsalgueiro＠cantv.net Dec. 9, 2008

Dec. 9, 2008

That´s ICANNs style of doing things, we should not be surprised by this Jose Original Message: ----------------- From: Bret Fausett bfausett(a)internet.law.pro Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:23:19 -0500 (EST) To: at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Outrageous I had a similar reaction. I wrote to ICANN privately and asked if they would postpone these until January to allow more notice and greater participation. I would very much like to attend one of these consultations, but unfortunately, I have existing engagements in Los Angeles during the DC meeting and on the East Coast during the LA meeting! I would block my schedule for the LA meeting though if I had more notice. -- Bret _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.icann .org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange

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Re: [At-Large] Outrageous
by carlos aguirre Dec. 9, 2008

Dec. 9, 2008

And participation possibilities? ------Mensaje original------ De: Danny Younger Para: at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: marilynscade(a)hotmail.com Asunto: [At-Large] Outrageous Enviado: 9 Dic 2008 16:52 Today ICANN put up a notice indicating that it will hold community discussions in Washington DC and Marina del Rey on the "Revisiting Vertical Separation of Registries and Registrars" report. When are these meetings? In 2 days in Washington, DC and one week later in California. Thanks to ICANN for the heads up. I'm sure that everyone in the non-contracted-parties world will be able to drop whatever they are doing and rush to these events. Of course, no remote participation is offered. The notice is here: http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-09dec08-en.htm <http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-09dec08-en.htm> _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.ican… <http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.ican…> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org <http://atlarge.icann.org> Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® de Claro Argentina

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