January 2020 - AFRI-Discuss

Re: [AFRI-Discuss] AFRI-Discuss Digest, Vol 159, Issue 17
by Lilian Kamara 15 Jan '20

15 Jan '20

Dear Sarah, I would propose" ICANN engagement from grassroot level in Africa" Regards, On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:21 PM < afri-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: > Send AFRI-Discuss mailing list submissions to > afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > afri-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > afri-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AFRI-Discuss digest..." > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this > list are more accurate: > http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#… > - - - - -Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Call for topics: Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN > meeting for ICANN67 (Barrack Otieno) > 2. Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Call for topics: Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN > meeting for ICANN67 (Gabdib? GAB-HINGONNE) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> > To: Robert Nkambwe <rnkambwe(a)yahoo.com> > Cc: Afri-Discuss <afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, AfrICANN list < > africann(a)afrinic.net> > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 15:14:01 +0300 > Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] Call for topics: Joint > AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting for ICANN67 > Apologies DNS Abuse in Africa * not is. > > Regards > > On Fri, 10 Jan 2020, 8:40 am Barrack Otieno, <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Sarah and colleagues, >> >> >> I would like to propose the following topic; >> >> Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa. >> >> Regards >> >> On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 10:57 pm Robert Nkambwe via AFRI-Discuss, < >> afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for sharing Sarah. >>> >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 10:41:47 PM GMT+3, Sarah Kiden < >>> skiden(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Dear Colleagues, >>> >>> I hope this email finds you well. The ICANN67 Meeting is scheduled for >>> March 7 - 12, 2020 in Cancún, Mexico. As with previous ICANN meetings, we >>> plan to hold the Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting. We would like to invite you >>> to submit topics for this session. Our previous statements have focused on >>> issues like: evolving the ICANN Multistakeholder model, New gTLD Subsequent >>> Procedures, enhancing ICANN accountability, etc. Please see our previous >>> statements here >>> <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Joint+AFRALO-AfrICANN+Statements…>. >>> >>> >>> Please see our proposed timeline: >>> Call for topics: 9 - 16 January 2020 >>> Topic announcement and call for drafting team: 17 - 22 January 2020 >>> Drafting of Statement: 23 January - 13 February 2020 >>> Send Statement to Staff for translation: 14 February 2020 >>> >>> Please send your suggested topics by *Thursday, 16 January 2020*, after >>> which the drafting team will prepare a draft statement that will be shared >>> with the rest of the members. >>> >>> Looking forward to your contributions. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Sarah Kiden >>> AFRALO Secretariat >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AfrICANN mailing list >>> AfrICANN(a)afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AFRI-Discuss mailing list >>> AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss >>> >>> Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org >>> >>> Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this >>> list are more accurate: >>> http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#… >>> _______________________________________________ >>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your >>> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance >>> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) >>> and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). >>> You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or >>> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or >>> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNE" <gabdibegabhingonne(a)gmail.com> > To: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> > Cc: Afri-Discuss <afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, AfrICANN list < > africann(a)afrinic.net>, Robert Nkambwe <rnkambwe(a)yahoo.com> > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 13:20:36 +0100 > Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] Call for topics: Joint > AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting for ICANN67 > Dear All, > I support Barrack's proposal. > Building the capacity of African end users on the general question related > to the DNS is very important. > Kind regards > Gabdibé > > > Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNE > Tel: (+235) 66 24 95 56/99 24 95 56 > Skype: live:gabdibegabhingonne > E-mail : gabdibegabhingonne(a)yahoo.fr > gabdibegabhingonne(a)gmail.com > > Le ven. 10 janv. 2020 13:15, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> a > écrit : > >> Apologies DNS Abuse in Africa * not is. >> >> Regards >> >> On Fri, 10 Jan 2020, 8:40 am Barrack Otieno, <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Sarah and colleagues, >>> >>> >>> I would like to propose the following topic; >>> >>> Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 10:57 pm Robert Nkambwe via AFRI-Discuss, < >>> afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for sharing Sarah. >>>> >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 10:41:47 PM GMT+3, Sarah Kiden < >>>> skiden(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>> >>>> I hope this email finds you well. The ICANN67 Meeting is scheduled for >>>> March 7 - 12, 2020 in Cancún, Mexico. As with previous ICANN meetings, we >>>> plan to hold the Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting. We would like to invite you >>>> to submit topics for this session. Our previous statements have focused on >>>> issues like: evolving the ICANN Multistakeholder model, New gTLD Subsequent >>>> Procedures, enhancing ICANN accountability, etc. Please see our previous >>>> statements here >>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Joint+AFRALO-AfrICANN+Statements…>. >>>> >>>> >>>> Please see our proposed timeline: >>>> Call for topics: 9 - 16 January 2020 >>>> Topic announcement and call for drafting team: 17 - 22 January 2020 >>>> Drafting of Statement: 23 January - 13 February 2020 >>>> Send Statement to Staff for translation: 14 February 2020 >>>> >>>> Please send your suggested topics by *Thursday, 16 January 2020*, >>>> after which the drafting team will prepare a draft statement that will be >>>> shared with the rest of the members. >>>> >>>> Looking forward to your contributions. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Sarah Kiden >>>> AFRALO Secretariat >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AfrICANN mailing list >>>> AfrICANN(a)afrinic.net >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AFRI-Discuss mailing list >>>> AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss >>>> >>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org >>>> >>>> Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to >>>> this list are more accurate: >>>> http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#… >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your >>>> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance >>>> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) >>>> and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). >>>> You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or >>>> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or >>>> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> AFRI-Discuss mailing list >> AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss >> >> Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org >> >> Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this >> list are more accurate: >> http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#… >> _______________________________________________ >> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your >> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance >> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and >> the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Re: [AFRI-Discuss] AFRI-Discuss Digest, Vol 159, Issue 18
by Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi 15 Jan '20

15 Jan '20

+1 This is indeed an important issue to address. Hadia From: AFRI-Discuss [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 6:52 AM To: Tijani BEN JEMAA Cc: Afri-Discuss Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] AFRI-Discuss Digest, Vol 159, Issue 18 Dear Tijani and colleagues, This is noted with thanks, we can frame the topic in way that has the most impact. My thoughts are if we don't address the issue in the long term, out Governments will step in and we know what that means. Regards On Tue, 14 Jan 2020, 6:03 pm Tijani BEN JEMAA, <tijani.benjemaa(a)topnet.tn<mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>> wrote: Thank you Barrack for your proposal. DNS Abuse is indeed one of the hottest topics at ICANN today. As you know, the spirit of the AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting is to build an African community opinion about a hot topic at ICANN and formulate it in a statement that we send to the ICANN Board and the concerned parties to make our voice heard and to give us more credibility and more visibility. "Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa" isn't a hot topic for ICANN that will permit us build a position on it and send it to the ICANN Board. I propose to address the main topic of DNS Abuse. I hope this can help. Tijani Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami(a)gmail.com<mailto:olivierkouami@gmail.com>> a écrit : Greetings from Cotonou Bénin +1 @Barrack proposal. . please could I add another topic ? If yes, please do note this "How the ICANN multi-stakeholder model works: end-user view.'' Thank you Olévié KOUAMI Le sam. 11 janv. 2020 à 19:13, Punana Lebo via AFRI-Discuss <afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> a écrit : I concur with Barrack's suggestion on capacity building on 'DNS abuse' to the end users On Friday, January 10, 2020, 04:19:32 PM GMT+2, afri-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:afri-discuss-request@atlarge-lists.icann.org> <afri-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:afri-discuss-request@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: Send AFRI-Discuss mailing list submissions to afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to afri-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:afri-discuss-request@atlarge-lists.icann.org> You can reach the person managing the list at afri-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:afri-discuss-owner@atlarge-lists.icann.org> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AFRI-Discuss digest..." Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#… - - - - -Today's Topics: 1. Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Call for topics: Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting for ICANN67 (Wisdom Donkor) 2. Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Call for topics: Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting for ICANN67 (Barrack Otieno) +1 to Barrack's proposal. WISDOM DONKOR President & CEO Africa Open Data and Internet Research Foundation P.O. Box CT 2439, Cantonments, Accra | www.aodirf.org<http://www.aodirf.org> / www.afrigeocon.org<http://www.afrigeocon.org> Tel: +233 20 812 8851 Skype: wisdom_dk | Facebook: kwasi wisdom | Twitter: @wisdom_dk __________________________________________________ Specialization: E-government Network Infrastructure and E-application, Internet Governance, Open Data policies platforms & Community Development, Cyber Security, Domain Name Systems, Software Engineering, Event Planning & Management, On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 5:42 AM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com<mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Sarah and colleagues, I would like to propose the following topic; Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa. Regards On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 10:57 pm Robert Nkambwe via AFRI-Discuss, <afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: Thanks for sharing Sarah. Robert On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 10:41:47 PM GMT+3, Sarah Kiden <skiden(a)gmail.com<mailto:skiden@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Colleagues, I hope this email finds you well. The ICANN67 Meeting is scheduled for March 7 - 12, 2020 in Cancún, Mexico. As with previous ICANN meetings, we plan to hold the Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting. We would like to invite you to submit topics for this session. Our previous statements have focused on issues like: evolving the ICANN Multistakeholder model, New gTLD Subsequent Procedures, enhancing ICANN accountability, etc. Please see our previous statements here<https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Joint+AFRALO-AfrICANN+Statements…>. Please see our proposed timeline: Call for topics: 9 - 16 January 2020 Topic announcement and call for drafting team: 17 - 22 January 2020 Drafting of Statement: 23 January - 13 February 2020 Send Statement to Staff for translation: 14 February 2020 Please send your suggested topics by Thursday, 16 January 2020, after which the drafting team will prepare a draft statement that will be shared with the rest of the members. Looking forward to your contributions. Kind regards, Sarah Kiden AFRALO Secretariat _______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list AfrICANN(a)afrinic.net<mailto:AfrICANN@afrinic.net> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#… _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#… _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. Good points Mark and El, I think the end user has been missing in the DNS Security conversation yet they are actually the ones who speak with their pockets, if i may use a Kenyan Proverb. An enlightened end user is an empowered end user. As we bring the next billion users online cases of DNS abuse will definately increase. If governments feel that industry players have not control they will definately step in and thats what we are avoiding. Regards On Fri, 10 Jan 2020, 4:55 pm Dr Eberhard W Lisse, <el(a)lisse.na<mailto:el@lisse.na>> wrote: Gabdibé, drafting a resolution (beforehand), or even debating a resolution, is going to achieve absolutely nothing. Mark, 50% lookups is actually almost worth than zero :-)-). And how many of those hit infrastructure actually in South Africa? Does the figure include the public ones from Google and Cloudflare? My view is that this only works All-or-Nothing, because noncompliant commercial resolver operators have a commercial advantage over complaint ones. Financial incentives may work as may financial or other sanctions. One could even make it part of the Accreditation that DNSSEC must be offered by the Registrars. But while the Registrars are usually the entities operating the DNS and as such have control over the end-user's DNS anyway, the chain of trust should go up to the end user and not just the Registrar. Talking to the banks has so far not been very effective, they are happy with HTTPS even though they forget to renew their certificate on a regular basis, never mind the expense. I don't have the answer either. If anyone has a technical "solution" or project going on, and is coming to Cancun, please feel free to propose a presentation at TechDay on the Monday. greetings, el On 10/01/2020 15:26, Mark Elkins wrote: > I also like the sound of Barrack's proposal. What exactly does "DNS > Abuse" mean though? > > If it is to try and get all important Domains DNSSEC Signed and for > all DNS Resolvers to become DNSSEC aware - that would be a winner in > my book! > > Incidentally - about 50% of all DNS lookups in South Africa are DNSSEC > aware. That's actually the easy bit. Just have the Internet > Connection suppliers enable DNSSEC on their resolvers. > > Getting the bulk or at least the important Domains DNSSEC Signed will > be a bit more challenging but is quite possible; e.g. any domain for a > website which may involve a financial transaction or deal with > personal information. > > On my Domain Registration and Hosting Platform, if I am running the > Registrants DNS (Zone file), DNSSEC is simply an option the Registrant > can switch on. I could change that and simply enable it for everyone. > However, if the Domain is then moved to a Registrar that does not > support DNSSEC - there would be issues for the new Registrar. > > On 2020/01/10 14:20, Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNE wrote: >> Dear All, >> I support Barrack's proposal. >> Building the capacity of African end users on the general question >> related to the DNS is very important. >> Kind regards >> Gabdibé >> _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: www.afralo.org<http://www.afralo.org> Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#… - - - - - _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#… _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Re: [AFRI-Discuss] AFRI-Discuss Digest, Vol 159, Issue 18
by Punana Lebo 14 Jan '20

14 Jan '20

I concur with Barrack's suggestion on capacity building on 'DNS abuse' to the end users On Friday, January 10, 2020, 04:19:32 PM GMT+2, afri-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <afri-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: Send AFRI-Discuss mailing list submissions to afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to afri-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org You can reach the person managing the list at afri-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AFRI-Discuss digest..." Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#… - - - - -Today's Topics: 1. Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Call for topics: Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting for ICANN67 (Wisdom Donkor) 2. Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Call for topics: Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting for ICANN67 (Barrack Otieno) +1 to Barrack's proposal. WISDOM DONKOR President & CEOAfrica Open Data and Internet Research FoundationP.O. Box CT 2439, Cantonments, Accra | www.aodirf.org / www.afrigeocon.org Tel: +233 20 812 8851Skype: wisdom_dk | Facebook: kwasi wisdom | Twitter: @wisdom_dk __________________________________________________Specialization:E-government Network Infrastructure and E-application, Internet Governance, Open Data policies platforms & Community Development, Cyber Security, Domain Name Systems, Software Engineering, Event Planning & Management, On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 5:42 AM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sarah and colleagues, I would like to propose the following topic; Building the Capacity of end users to curb DNS Abuse is Africa. Regards On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 10:57 pm Robert Nkambwe via AFRI-Discuss, <afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: Thanks for sharing Sarah. Robert On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 10:41:47 PM GMT+3, Sarah Kiden <skiden(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Colleagues, I hope this email finds you well. The ICANN67 Meeting is scheduled for March 7 - 12, 2020 in Cancún, Mexico. As with previous ICANN meetings, we plan to hold the Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting. We would like to invite you to submit topics for this session. Our previous statements have focused on issues like: evolving the ICANN Multistakeholder model, New gTLD Subsequent Procedures, enhancing ICANN accountability, etc. Please see our previous statements here. Please see our proposed timeline: Call for topics: 9 - 16 January 2020 Topic announcement and call for drafting team: 17 - 22 January 2020 Drafting of Statement: 23 January - 13 February 2020 Send Statement to Staff for translation: 14 February 2020 Please send your suggested topics by Thursday, 16 January 2020, after which the drafting team will prepare a draft statement that will be shared with the rest of the members. Looking forward to your contributions. Kind regards, Sarah KidenAFRALO Secretariat_______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list AfrICANN(a)afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#… _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#… _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. Good points Mark and El, I think the end user has been missing in the DNS Security conversation yet they are actually the ones who speak with their pockets, if i may use a Kenyan Proverb. An enlightened end user is an empowered end user. As we bring the next billion users online cases of DNS abuse will definately increase. If governments feel that industry players have not control they will definately step in and thats what we are avoiding. Regards On Fri, 10 Jan 2020, 4:55 pm Dr Eberhard W Lisse, <el(a)lisse.na> wrote: Gabdibé, drafting a resolution (beforehand), or even debating a resolution, is going to achieve absolutely nothing. Mark, 50% lookups is actually almost worth than zero :-)-). And how many of those hit infrastructure actually in South Africa? Does the figure include the public ones from Google and Cloudflare? My view is that this only works All-or-Nothing, because noncompliant commercial resolver operators have a commercial advantage over complaint ones. Financial incentives may work as may financial or other sanctions. One could even make it part of the Accreditation that DNSSEC must be offered by the Registrars. But while the Registrars are usually the entities operating the DNS and as such have control over the end-user's DNS anyway, the chain of trust should go up to the end user and not just the Registrar. Talking to the banks has so far not been very effective, they are happy with HTTPS even though they forget to renew their certificate on a regular basis, never mind the expense. I don't have the answer either. If anyone has a technical "solution" or project going on, and is coming to Cancun, please feel free to propose a presentation at TechDay on the Monday. greetings, el On 10/01/2020 15:26, Mark Elkins wrote: > I also like the sound of Barrack's proposal. What exactly does "DNS > Abuse" mean though? > > If it is to try and get all important Domains DNSSEC Signed and for > all DNS Resolvers to become DNSSEC aware - that would be a winner in > my book! > > Incidentally - about 50% of all DNS lookups in South Africa are DNSSEC > aware. That's actually the easy bit. Just have the Internet > Connection suppliers enable DNSSEC on their resolvers. > > Getting the bulk or at least the important Domains DNSSEC Signed will > be a bit more challenging but is quite possible; e.g. any domain for a > website which may involve a financial transaction or deal with > personal information. > > On my Domain Registration and Hosting Platform, if I am running the > Registrants DNS (Zone file), DNSSEC is simply an option the Registrant > can switch on. I could change that and simply enable it for everyone. > However, if the Domain is then moved to a Registrar that does not > support DNSSEC - there would be issues for the new Registrar. > > On 2020/01/10 14:20, Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNE wrote: >> Dear All, >> I support Barrack's proposal. >> Building the capacity of African end users on the general question >> related to the DNS is very important. >> Kind regards >> Gabdibé >> _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#… - - - - - _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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AFRALO RoP WG: Call for new members/Confirmation of membership
by Sarah Kiden 14 Jan '20

14 Jan '20

Dear Colleagues, Towards the end of 2017, we (AFRALO) voted to allow individual members in AFRALO, and noted that the issue would be reviewed after 2 years. Please see further information about individual membership <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+R…> and the current list of individual members <https://atlarge.icann.org/individual-members/afralo>. At the last monthly call, our Chair indicated that the consolidation of the rule shall be done by the Rules of Procedure (RoP) Working Group, hence the need to reactivate the working group. This is therefore a call for new members to join and for current members to confirm their membership in the AFRALO Rules of Procedure (RoP) Working Group. The list of current members is published on this wiki page <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/AFRALO+RULES+OF+PROCEDURE+REVIEW…> . This group is tasked with reviewing the rules regarding individual membership and advising the leadership on relevant changes required (if applicable). The current members of the group are: Aziz Hilali, Fatimata Seye Sylla, Tijani Ben Jemaa, Seun Ojedeji, Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong, Philip F Johnson, Hadja Ouattara, Baudouin Schombe, Barrack Otieno, Michel TCHONANG, Beran Dondeh Gillen, Peters Omoraghoun, Sarah Kiden, Olévié Kouami, Gabriel, BOMBAMBO Boseko, TYokunbo Abiola, Arsène Tungali and Remmy Nweke. If interested in joining as a new member of confirming your membership, please send your request to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org and cc Sarah Kiden, with the subject line "Membership confirmation or Request to join AFRALO RoP WG". This call will be open until Monday, 27 January 2020. Kind regards, Sarah ------------------------------ Chers collègues, En fin 2017, Nous (AFRALO) avons voté pour autoriser l’adhésion de membres individuels au sein d'AFRALO. Il a été décidé aussi cette question serait réexaminée après 2 ans d’expérience.Veuillez consulter plus d'informations sur l'adhésion individuelle <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+R…> ainsi que la liste actuelle des membres individuels <https://atlarge.icann.org/individual-members/afralo>. Lors de notre dernier appel mensuel, le président a indiqué que la consolidation de la règle devrait être effectuée par le groupe de travail sur le règlement intérieur, d'où la nécessité de réactiver le groupe de travail. Ce message est donc un appel à de nouveaux membres volontaires et aux membres actuels de confirmer leur appartenance au groupe de travail sur les règles de procédure (RoP) d'AFRALO. Le groupe de travail est chargé d'examiner les règles de l'adhésion individuelle et de conseiller la direction sur les changements pertinents requis (le cas échéant). Les membres actuels <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/AFRALO+RULES+OF+PROCEDURE+REVIEW…> du groupe sont : Aziz Hilali, Fatimata Seye Sylla, Tijani Ben Jemaa, Seun Ojedeji, Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong, Philip F Johnson, Hadja Ouattara, Baudouin Schombe, Barrack Otiano, Michel TCHONANG, Beran Dondeh Gillen, Peters Omoraghoun, Sarah Kiden, Olévié Kouami, Gabriel, BOMBAMBO Boseko, TYokunbo Abiola, Arsène Tungali, Remmy Nweke) Si vous êtes intéressé à vous joindre en tant que nouveau membre au Groupe pour confirmer votre adhésion, veuillez envoyer votre demande à staff(a)atlarge.icann.org et cc Sarah Kiden, avec comme sujet "*Confirmation d'adhésion ou demande d'adhésion à AFRALO RoP WG*". Cet appel restera ouvert jusqu'au *lundi 27 janvier 2020*. Sincères amitiés, Sarah

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Re: [AFRI-Discuss] **REMINDER** Meeting invitation: AFRALO Monthly Call on Wednesday, 08 January 2020 at 18:30 UTC
by Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi 09 Jan '20

09 Jan '20

Dear All, I apologize for not being able to attend yesterday's call due to an unexpected commitment. Kind regards Hadia From: AFRI-Discuss [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of ICANN At-Large Staff Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 7:27 PM To: AFRI-Discuss; Pierre Dandjinou; Yaovi Atohoun; Bob Ochieng; leon.sanchez(a)board.icann.org; Jonathan Zuck; joannakulesza(a)gmail.com Subject: [AFRI-Discuss] **REMINDER** Meeting invitation: AFRALO Monthly Call on Wednesday, 08 January 2020 at 18:30 UTC Importance: High ***If you require a dial out or need to state an apology, please contact At-Large staff ONLY at staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> with your preferred number*** Dear All, The next AFRALO Monthly Call is scheduled for Wednesday, 08 January 2020 at 18:30 UTC. For other times: https://tinyurl.com/y4th2pjl The agenda and call details are available at: https://community.icann.org/x/xpAzBw Conference ID: EN 1638 FR 1838 Zoom Room link: https://icann.zoom.us/j/565313081 Meeting ID: 565-313-081 AFRALO Work space: https://community.icann.org/x/25Mi If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<applewebdata://B2F21256-5049-42B9-AE26-A8EBC6E6C509/staff@atlarge.icann.org> Thank you. Kind Regards, ***************************** Chers Membres de l’AFRALO, Le prochain appel AFRALO mensuel est prévu le mercredi 08 january 2020 à 18h30 UTC. L’ordre du jour (en attente de mise à jour) et les détails de l’appel sont disponibles à: https://tinyurl.com/y4th2pjl Conférence ID: EN: 1638 FR: 1838 Zoom room (audio en ANGLAIS):https://icann.zoom.us/j/565313081 Meeting ID: 565-313-081 Espace de travail wiki: https://community.icann.org/x/xpAzBw Merci de nous confirmer votre participation et dial-out (si necessaire) aini que votre numéro d’appel à staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. Merci. Cordialement, ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/staff@atlarge.icann.org> Website: atlarge.icann.org<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/atlarge.icann.org> Facebook: facebook.com/icannatlarge<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/facebook.com/icannatlar…> Twitter: @ICANNAtLarge<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/@ICANNAtLarge>

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**REMINDER** Meeting invitation: AFRALO Monthly Call on Wednesday, 08 January 2020 at 18:30 UTC
by ICANN At-Large Staff 08 Jan '20

08 Jan '20

***If you require a dial out or need to state an apology, please contact At-Large staff ONLY at staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> with your preferred number*** Dear All, The next AFRALO Monthly Call is scheduled for Wednesday, 08 January 2020 at 18:30 UTC. For other times: https://tinyurl.com/y4th2pjl The agenda (to be updated) and call details are available at: https://community.icann.org/x/xpAzBw Conference ID: EN 1638 FR 1838 Zoom Room link: https://icann.zoom.us/j/565313081 Meeting ID: 565-313-081 AFRALO Work space: https://community.icann.org/x/25Mi If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<applewebdata://B2F21256-5049-42B9-AE26-A8EBC6E6C509/staff@atlarge.icann.org> Thank you. Kind Regards, ***************************** Chers Membres de l’AFRALO, Le prochain appel AFRALO mensuel est prévu le mercredi 08 january 2020 à 18h30 UTC. L’ordre du jour (en attente de mise à jour) et les détails de l’appel sont disponibles à: https://tinyurl.com/y4th2pjl Conférence ID: EN: 1638 FR: 1838 Zoom room (audio en ANGLAIS):https://icann.zoom.us/j/565313081 Meeting ID: 565-313-081 Espace de travail wiki: https://community.icann.org/x/xpAzBw Merci de nous confirmer votre participation et dial-out (si necessaire) aini que votre numéro d’appel à staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. Merci. Cordialement, ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/staff@atlarge.icann.org> Website: atlarge.icann.org<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/atlarge.icann.org> Facebook: facebook.com/icannatlarge<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/facebook.com/icannatlar…> Twitter: @ICANNAtLarge<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/@ICANNAtLarge>

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Fwd: [AfrICANN-discuss] Open Call for Community Members to Join the New Africa Strategy Working Group
by Sarah Kiden 07 Jan '20

07 Jan '20

Dear Colleagues, Happy New Year! I hope 2020 has started well for you. I am not sure how many of us are on the AfrICANN mailing list. Please see below call for community members to join the new Africa Strategy Working Group. I believe it will be a good opportunity for us to engage. Looking forward to engaging with you on our monthly call tomorrow and for the rest of 2020! Kind regards, Sarah ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Bob Ochieng <omondibob(a)gmail.com> Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:29 AM Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Open Call for Community Members to Join the New Africa Strategy Working Group To: afriCANN Community List <africann(a)afrinic.net> Dear All, Please see details about this call here: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/open-call-for-community-members-to-join-the… If you are interested in joining the new Africa Strategy Working Group, this call remains open until *15 January 2019 at 23:59 UTC*. Thank you. Regard Bob. _______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list AfrICANN(a)afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann

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Re: [AFRI-Discuss] AFRI-Discuss Digest, Vol 159, Issue 8
by Shadrach Ankrah 06 Jan '20

06 Jan '20

Thank you for the information. On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, 12:44 AM <afri-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: > Send AFRI-Discuss mailing list submissions to > afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > afri-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > afri-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AFRI-Discuss digest..." > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this > list are more accurate: > http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#… > - - - - -Today's Topics: > > 1. REMINDER / Meeting invitation: AFRALO Monthly Call on > Wednesday, 08 January 2020 at 18:30 UTC (ICANN At-Large Staff) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> > To: AFRI-Discuss <afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Pierre Dandjinou > <pierre.dandjinou(a)icann.org>, Yaovi Atohoun <yaovi.atohoun(a)icann.org>, > Bob Ochieng <bob.ochieng(a)icann.org>, "leon.sanchez(a)board.icann.org" < > leon.sanchez(a)board.icann.org>, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck(a)innovatorsnetwork.org>, > Joanna Kulesza <joannakulesza(a)gmail.com> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 00:44:43 +0000 > Subject: [AFRI-Discuss] REMINDER / Meeting invitation: AFRALO Monthly Call > on Wednesday, 08 January 2020 at 18:30 UTC > > Dear All, > > > > The next *AFRALO Monthly Call* is scheduled for *Wednesday, **08 January > 2020 at 18:30 UTC.* > > > For other times: https://tinyurl.com/y4th2pjl > > > > The agenda *(to be updated)* and call details are available at: > https://community.icann.org/x/xpAzBw > > > > Conference ID: > EN 1638 > > FR 1838 > > > > *Zoom Room link: **https://icann.zoom.us/j/565313081 > <https://icann.zoom.us/j/565313081> Meeting ID: **565-313-081* > > > > > > AFRALO Work space: *https://community.icann.org/x/25Mi* > <https://community.icann.org/x/25Mi> > > > > If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: > *staff(a)atlarge.icann.org* > > > > Thank you. > > Kind Regards, > > > > ***************************** > > Chers Membres de l’AFRALO, > > > > Le prochain appel AFRALO mensuel est prévu le mercredi 08 january 2020 à > 18h30 UTC. > > > > L’ordre du jour (en attente de mise à jour) et les détails de l’appel sont > disponibles à: https://tinyurl.com/y4th2pjl > > > > Conférence ID: > > EN: 1638 > > FR: 1838 > > > > Zoom room (audio en ANGLAIS):https://icann.zoom.us/j/565313081* Meeting > ID: **565-313-081* > > > > > > Espace de travail wiki: https://community.icann.org/x/xpAzBw > > > > Merci de nous confirmer votre participation et dial-out (si necessaire) > aini que votre numéro d’appel à staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > > > > Merci. > > Cordialement, > > > > ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community > > E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > Website: atlarge.icann.org > > Facebook: facebook.com/icannatlarge > > Twitter: @ICANNAtLarge > > > _______________________________________________ > AFRI-Discuss mailing list > AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss > > Homepage for the region: www.afralo.org > > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this > list are more accurate: > http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#… > - - - - - > > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your > personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance > with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and > the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can > visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or > configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or > disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

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REMINDER / Meeting invitation: AFRALO Monthly Call on Wednesday, 08 January 2020 at 18:30 UTC
by ICANN At-Large Staff 06 Jan '20

06 Jan '20

Dear All, The next AFRALO Monthly Call is scheduled for Wednesday, 08 January 2020 at 18:30 UTC. For other times: https://tinyurl.com/y4th2pjl The agenda (to be updated) and call details are available at: https://community.icann.org/x/xpAzBw Conference ID: EN 1638 FR 1838 Zoom Room link: https://icann.zoom.us/j/565313081 Meeting ID: 565-313-081 AFRALO Work space: https://community.icann.org/x/25Mi If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<applewebdata://B2F21256-5049-42B9-AE26-A8EBC6E6C509/staff@atlarge.icann.org> Thank you. Kind Regards, ***************************** Chers Membres de l’AFRALO, Le prochain appel AFRALO mensuel est prévu le mercredi 08 january 2020 à 18h30 UTC. L’ordre du jour (en attente de mise à jour) et les détails de l’appel sont disponibles à: https://tinyurl.com/y4th2pjl Conférence ID: EN: 1638 FR: 1838 Zoom room (audio en ANGLAIS):https://icann.zoom.us/j/565313081 Meeting ID: 565-313-081 Espace de travail wiki: https://community.icann.org/x/xpAzBw Merci de nous confirmer votre participation et dial-out (si necessaire) aini que votre numéro d’appel à staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. Merci. Cordialement, ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/staff@atlarge.icann.org> Website: atlarge.icann.org<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/atlarge.icann.org> Facebook: facebook.com/icannatlarge<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/facebook.com/icannatlar…> Twitter: @ICANNAtLarge<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/@ICANNAtLarge>

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Happy New Year!!!
by Seun Ojedeji 03 Jan '20

03 Jan '20

Dear colleagues, Year 2019 is gone for some while for others it will also become history in the next couple of hours. On behalf of the AFRALO leadership, here is to wish us all a fulfilling 2020 ahead as we look forward to our continued contribution and collaboration within the ICANN community. Happy new Year! Best Regards AFRALO Chair Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos

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